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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:10 PM Aug 2018

The Super Fantastic Hilariously Absurd Part of Trump's ignorance of all things related to the law

In my family I have siblings and a niece that are attorneys.

Their jobs have included family attorneys, corporate counsel, prosecuting attorney, judge and lecturer at a respected law university.

When we are at family events we talk about interesting cases and even the non lawyers have developed a good appreciation of how the law and the courts work and you better stay "on point" or you will be ruled out of order and have to buy the next round.

When anyone has a minor legal issue multiple phone calls are made, theories established, mock courts, etc.

After years of no traffic tickets I got one and after a dozen calls and a seminar on how to question a police officer about his radar gun, and checking all of the minute SOP requirements to keep current and how to ask for the official calibration log for the instrument I showed up for court prepared for a thorough defense including question whether or not the office got the correct legal speed right because where he wrote the ticket and where he saw me . . . and so on.

The officer didn't show.

In any case the point is when you have family that have decades in the law you have a resource to make sure that you stay within the boundaries to pursue your legal interest and don't talk like an idiot about the law and the courts.

Here is the funny part:

Meet Judge Barry, Trump's older sister:





Barry served as an Assistant United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey from 1974 to 1983. She served in the civil division from 1974 to 1975. She served in the appeals division from 1976 to 1982, serving as deputy chief of that division from 1976 to 1977 and chief of that division from 1977 to 1982. She served as Executive Assistant United States Attorney from 1981 to 1982. She served as First Assistant United States Attorney from 1981 to 1983.[1]



She was nominated by Reagan to the Court and then later by Clinton to the Appeals court.

She achieved Senior Status.

She appears to be a competent judge with no outstanding political bias.



Trump is facing federal, state and local criminal prosecution. He is facing massive civil lawsuits from both governmental institutions and lots of individuals, including from previous staff from The Apprentice.

In November a new Congress is going to launch dozens of investigations that will open him up to massive exposure for both criminal and civil litigation.

And yet he talks about cases and the law in general like Barney Fife in Mayberry.

I am guessing that Judge Barry has given up trying to clue her younger brother in on how the law and the courts actually work.

If you look at the Trump Family Wikipedia page you will find that she has, by far, the least amount of information, a single sentence.

I am betting that Trump doesn't listen to her because "she is a girl" (she is 80).

Judge Barry has one child. Her son also is in a profession that would assist Trump. Trump's nephew is a psychologist.

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The Super Fantastic Hilariously Absurd Part of Trump's ignorance of all things related to the law (Original Post) grantcart Aug 2018 OP
She recommended and encouraged her brother... DonViejo Aug 2018 #1
Ewww.. Cha Aug 2018 #4
The suggestion by the poster that Judge Barry was for Gorsuch is not true. grantcart Aug 2018 #6
Oh dear.. well, thanks for the Cha Aug 2018 #10
Wrong on two counts grantcart Aug 2018 #5
trump sure missed out on the brains in Cha Aug 2018 #2
This is great. Thanks, grantcart, elleng Aug 2018 #3
When you think about it she could have had a cushy position in the family business grantcart Aug 2018 #7
Good for her; elleng Aug 2018 #9
I find it interesting that none of his siblings seem close to him nor want anything to smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #8
I heard about his younger brother who died of drug and alcohol abuse but nothing about the other two grantcart Aug 2018 #11
There was something seriously screwed up with that family. smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #13
I saw a clip of her talking PatSeg Aug 2018 #20
He doesn't lisren to anyone. LiberalBrooke Aug 2018 #12
EXACTLY!!!! SkyDaddy7 Aug 2018 #21
But he knows everything! catchnrelease Aug 2018 #14
+++ agree. He is all knowing and listens to no one - what an a-hole. iluvtennis Aug 2018 #16
"...like Barney Fife in Mayberry." dchill Aug 2018 #15
Clearly, they must be estranged. bitterross Aug 2018 #17
My little theory on Judge Barry.... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #18
I don't think Cheeto is close to any of this siblings FakeNoose Aug 2018 #19
To wind up with a sociopath like 45, you need both nature and nurture to fail him:One, alone, won't lindysalsagal Aug 2018 #22

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
1. She recommended and encouraged her brother...
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:18 PM
Aug 2018

to nominate Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. Don't think I can throw too much respect in her direction.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
6. The suggestion by the poster that Judge Barry was for Gorsuch is not true.
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:33 PM
Aug 2018

Barry weighed in for her co judge on the court of appeals


Moreover she appears to be for a women's right to choose and would seem not to be in Gorsuch's orbit philosophically.



was attacked by Sen. Ted Cruz during the 2016 primaries as “a radical pro-abortion extremist” — is among the president’s judicial counselors makes some Republicans nervous. Even if they’re happy with the finalists he is currently considering, they don’t view her as a reliably conservative judge.

Cha

(297,184 posts)
10. Oh dear.. well, thanks for the
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:36 PM
Aug 2018

correction. She does seem to have a working brain and not possess the evil that encapsulates her brother.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
5. Wrong on two counts
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:29 PM
Aug 2018

1) Judge Barry lobbied for her co Judge Hardiman



https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-supreme-court-pick-234202

Judge Maryanne Trump Barry, who serves with Hardiman on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit, has spoken to her brother in favor of elevating him to the high court, according to two people familiar with the conversations.

. . .

“Maryanne is high on Hardiman,” said one adviser who has spoken directly with the president about the matter.

.. ..

People familiar with the search process have said that Hardiman, 51, and Gorsuch, 49, have emerged as the front-runners to replace the late Justice Antonin Scalia, with Pryor’s chances fading in recent weeks due to opposition from the evangelical community. Trump has said he plans to announce his choice next week.

A second Trump adviser said that while Barry has unquestionably backed Hardiman, her support has not been determinative: “I don’t think it is fair to say the only reason he’s got juice on the list is because of her.”


2) More to the point Gorsuch was the number one choice by the Federalist Society and they lobbied very hard for him.

Cha

(297,184 posts)
2. trump sure missed out on the brains in
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:18 PM
Aug 2018

that family. I do remember reading awhile ago that his sister was a judge.. shocking!

Thanks, grant.

elleng

(130,889 posts)
3. This is great. Thanks, grantcart,
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:18 PM
Aug 2018

first, reminded me of my family, sadly Dad and cousin, both attorneys, are dead, so no more great discussions at home; luckily, my brother's still around (but not close, as travels extensively due to HIS lawyerly job.)

trump doesn't listen to her, I suspect, NOT because she's a 'girl,' but he doesn't have the same capability as she does. (My brother and I both got it, but I don't think that's true of the trumps.)

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
7. When you think about it she could have had a cushy position in the family business
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:34 PM
Aug 2018

but she went as far away as she could and established herself prominently on her own work.

And pointedly didn't take the Trump name with her.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. I find it interesting that none of his siblings seem close to him nor want anything to
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:35 PM
Aug 2018

do with him. Are there any books out there that get into the Trump family dynamics? I think it would be something worth looking into. The people who know him the best seem to avoid him like the plague. I wonder why?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. I heard about his younger brother who died of drug and alcohol abuse but nothing about the other two
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:40 PM
Aug 2018

You have to wonder when one son is sent away at 13 and the other develops a fatal dependency addiction what the father was like on the sons.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
13. There was something seriously screwed up with that family.
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:50 PM
Aug 2018

Unfortunately, I think his brother took on the role of carrying the shame of the family and it killed him. It seems like he was the only one with a conscience. Trump is a sociopath and I think he was born evil.

I would love to read about the real family dynamics of the Trump family. Something was very, very wrong in that family. It's like they all compensated for their brother's sickness and felt like they had to atone for his sins.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
20. I saw a clip of her talking
Fri Aug 31, 2018, 01:11 AM
Aug 2018

about Donald awhile back. Basically she said he was an out of control brat, as best I can recall. Sounds like he was the sibling you don't want much to do with.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
21. EXACTLY!!!!
Fri Aug 31, 2018, 01:22 AM
Aug 2018

…And his OLDER SISTER! …Everything is stacked against her! She obviously knew from the time her Dad got busted for being the racist he is & profited millions off the tax payer & decided to put his megalomaniac son Trump in charge as the face of the company to save it she was getting the fuck away from them & doing her own thing!!

Now she probably tried to get her friend on the court & now has ran away again.

Is my guess.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
14. But he knows everything!
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:51 PM
Aug 2018

Remember, he knows more than all the generals, so I'm sure he thinks he knows more than the judges too. Even his sister. Wow, I wonder if she is embarrassed being related to that guy.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
17. Clearly, they must be estranged.
Fri Aug 31, 2018, 12:25 AM
Aug 2018

I would bet she wants nothing to do with him.

Given just what I've read here they are not compatible people.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
18. My little theory on Judge Barry....
Fri Aug 31, 2018, 12:27 AM
Aug 2018

Since she knew her father and his criminality as well as DJT's even worse record, she probably is very wise to maintain as much distance from them and their affairs to avoid putting her career in jeopardy.

Besides, considering Donny is almost certainly a psychopath, if she got too close she might have legal obligation to have him committed.

.........

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
19. I don't think Cheeto is close to any of this siblings
Fri Aug 31, 2018, 01:03 AM
Aug 2018

While his parents were living, he wasn't so close them either. His Dad passed away in the 1990's and it led to family squabbles about inheritance that got nastier when Donald was opposed to helping his dead older brother's family. It was everyone else in the family against Donald, and yet Donald got his way. I think he got his father to rewrite his will before he died and cut the children of Fred Trump Jr. (Donald's brother) out of an equal share, since the brother had already died.

Then a few years later Donald had to borrow money after his divorce or bankruptcy, and I think it led to another family squabble because the other siblings were against Donald getting a loan against his inheritance. I don't know all the details but there have been times when Trump siblings had lawsuits and court hearings against one another.

It's not the kind of family where they just call each other up and ask for advice or suggestions. Not a normal family dynamic there.

lindysalsagal

(20,679 posts)
22. To wind up with a sociopath like 45, you need both nature and nurture to fail him:One, alone, won't
Fri Aug 31, 2018, 07:21 AM
Aug 2018

do enough damage.

His pathology requires a brain lacking in human empathy, cognition, integrity, language, memory, impulse control, and obvious gratification dysfuntion. But a family who cared might have been protective enough to prevent his gangster career from reaching such staggering dimentions.

No, it's not nature or nurture, it's all of the above.

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