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Takket

(21,625 posts)
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:57 AM Sep 2018

In death, McCain has done a final great service to the country

Obviously I didn't agree with him much on voting because he was on the wrong side of the aisle, but let's make no mistake about what he did for the country in death by not inviting drumpf to this service.

A military hero send the message that drumpf's filthy hide is not welcome at his funeral. While members of the military sit in the Cathedral or watch from home, the message they are receiving is that drumpf is not worthy of your adoration.

I don't know how much of an effect it will have, but the message from McCain is clear, that we need to move beyond the drumpf's of the world to ever have any kind of unity in the country.

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In death, McCain has done a final great service to the country (Original Post) Takket Sep 2018 OP
Amen to that..... ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2018 #1
With a distinctive, downward pointing thumb captured on TV, McCain saved the ACA. DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #24
This military veteran 100% agrees. N/T john657 Sep 2018 #2
So does this one. n/t Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2018 #14
I'll bet alot more vets are rethinking their support of the infant idiot now. john657 Sep 2018 #15
I really hope so. ooky Sep 2018 #38
This is deliberate. janx Sep 2018 #3
I just realized that I am feeling more respect for him in death than in life. Yonnie3 Sep 2018 #4
I realized Skidmore Sep 2018 #33
I was thinking that as well. The contrast between this service and the world of Trump redstateblues Sep 2018 #5
Here's another contrast. Lonestarblue Sep 2018 #13
Soft impeachment Ponietz Sep 2018 #6
Trump's MAGA cult is being publicly denounced dalton99a Sep 2018 #7
Massive public shaming long overdue Ponietz Sep 2018 #9
He might be more powerful in death than he was as a senator. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #8
All they will ever think about Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #12
I am hoping it triggers a change of attitude. drray23 Sep 2018 #10
The death of McCain will be shown as a turning point for this administration. Sneederbunk Sep 2018 #11
In an involuntary sense, of course. dchill Sep 2018 #17
👏🏾 Indeed 👏🏾 BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2018 #16
Love cilla4progress Sep 2018 #18
It will have zero affect on anything or anyone.... vi5 Sep 2018 #19
You know, Trump with his hatred and fearmongering really is PatrickforO Sep 2018 #20
+1000. A very good post. yonder Sep 2018 #23
The Republican Party of Donald Trump. Perseus Sep 2018 #25
Two excellent posts. proglib217 Sep 2018 #34
Thanks for a really excellent post. nt LAS14 Sep 2018 #29
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Sep 2018 #21
I don't know how much of an effect it will have Perseus Sep 2018 #22
We may find out just how much of a service he did if the GOP Jarqui Sep 2018 #26
The ceremony showed that this country is built upon ceremony and traditions Mandeville Sep 2018 #27
More than that, he did a service by living a life that caused our media to... LAS14 Sep 2018 #28
It is easy to find fault with some person on a daily basis, but that fault finding should not LiberalArkie Sep 2018 #30
You bet. redstatebluegirl Sep 2018 #31
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2018 #32
Thank You...k and r. no text. Stuart G Sep 2018 #35
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2018 #36
John McCain will have a legacy Comrade Fishlips will never have: Buns_of_Fire Sep 2018 #37

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
24. With a distinctive, downward pointing thumb captured on TV, McCain saved the ACA.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 01:58 PM
Sep 2018

So he did at least one significant thing to heal the country during the Trump years. Would love to list other positive gestures. (His endurance of torture and 5.5 yrs as a POW has been an enduring gesture as well)

janx

(24,128 posts)
3. This is deliberate.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:02 PM
Sep 2018

And everybody knows it. How fitting that McCain's death is what will (we hope) unite the country again.

Yonnie3

(17,485 posts)
4. I just realized that I am feeling more respect for him in death than in life.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:02 PM
Sep 2018

We live in strange times.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
33. I realized
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 06:51 PM
Sep 2018

how many layers to the man that weren't readily evident. My impression now is that there is a range of issues he may have been persuadable on.

Lonestarblue

(10,074 posts)
13. Here's another contrast.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:44 PM
Sep 2018

While John McCain was serving in Vietnam and suffering as a POW, Trump was dodging the draft and trying to prevent STDs from his promiscuous lifestyle. As the camera panned to the McCain family, I also noticed that two of McCain’s sons are in uniform, serving their country as their father did. Contrast that with Trump’s two spoiled sons, Jr. and Eric, who think it’s an accomplishment to kill endangered species as trophies and who are just as selfish and corrupt as their despicable father.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,850 posts)
8. He might be more powerful in death than he was as a senator.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:05 PM
Sep 2018

Maybe some of those cowardly twerps in Congress will start thinking about how they'd like to be remembered.

drray23

(7,637 posts)
10. I am hoping it triggers a change of attitude.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:10 PM
Sep 2018

Hopefully members of Congress and maybe some who voted for Trump will realize how childish and undignified their behavior is.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
19. It will have zero affect on anything or anyone....
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 01:27 PM
Sep 2018

....The MAGA cultists hated McCain, and they are incapable of acknowledging their own hypocrisy ("Support the troops" when it comes to black men kneeling, but not when it comes to actually respecting someone who served, suffered and sacrificed).

And the coveted "independents" (HA!) excuse the crazies with "Well both sides have their lunatics" or whatever else.

PatrickforO

(14,588 posts)
20. You know, Trump with his hatred and fearmongering really is
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 01:29 PM
Sep 2018

as American as apple pie. But, hatred, fear, xenophobia, homophobia, racism, bigotry, intolerance and the propensity to violence, as in lynchings - that is the underbelly of this nation. The sad truth is that America is built on genocide and slavery, and until we confront these gut-wrenchingly sad truths, we can never really be the light on the hill.

Obama was as near-perfect as a US president could be. Moral, just, intelligent, a master of the big picture, and a long-term thinker that put policies in place that really did some good. Without drama, he saved us from a worldwide depression, worked with Congress to pass the ACA, got Bin Laden, and through his cabinet implemented some truly good policies. But...he did all this while (gasp!) being black!

So...enter Trump. A white guy. As unintelligent, inept, incompetent, corrupt and treasonous as a president can be - in fact, we really haven't even touched the surface of how bad Trump really is, and how dangerous he is to the entire human race. But he's white. A sort of pale and rotten counterpart to the noble nature of his predecessor.

We really COULD be great, you know. A light on the hill. Even now, people aspire to come here because for many it is the land of opportunity. But we have to get to the bottom of this capitalist cancer that was born at the death of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, became tumescent with the growth of Fox 'news,' and metastasized through hundreds of hate-talk radio shows and alt-right websites. The problem is that these propaganda organs are funded by, and promote a capitalist message of rugged individualism, hooray for me and to heck with you, pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

That message is underpinned by a constant hatred for the government, a transformation of government from 'of, by and for' the people to some 'deep-state enemy of the people.' Something wasteful and stupid that people like Grover Norquist want to shrink to the point where we can 'drown it in the bathtub,' because then oligarchs can reign supreme with the help of an alt-right nationalist theocracy.

That is the plan.

Why? Because it is the best interests of the capitalists to have us make our very own government the enemy. If we are worried about government overreach and the 'deep state' somehow betraying those who cheated to be elected into office, then we don't have time to understand who is really picking our pockets, and who is systematically raping the treasury and routing as much money as possible to corporate profits and billionaires while we are left with an aging infrastructure, a healthcare program so sabotaged by Republicans that it is once again profoundly broken, the sacred trust of Social Security starving for funds, and virtually every program that actually helps Americans in danger of folding for lack of money.

But, hey, we've got PLENTY to route to 'defense' spending, including a brand-new, shiny Space Force!

It will take us years, decades, to wise up the American people, engage them in democracy at the local, state and national level, and create a system where people actually DO have a say in policies that affect them.

The biggest danger to humanity? To the world itself?

The Republican Party of Donald Trump.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
25. The Republican Party of Donald Trump.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 02:09 PM
Sep 2018

trump is the idiot who can use a pen, he was placed there to create chaos, to crap on the nation, to create anxiety and keep everyone distracted by the agenda of the republican party.

It is not "The Republican Party of Donald Trump.", that IS the republican party, they just found their idiot, their perfect decoy and he is doing his job just fine.

All this mess started even before trump came to the picture, the republican party has been corrupted for very long, the real crooks today are McConnell, Ryan, and the rest of the idiots in congress and senate, the lemmings of the republican party who are there only for the prestige and the chance to become rich after their tenure in politics. It is really very simple, they gain a sit of power and influence, they do their masters work with the promise of the rewards afterwards which may place them on the side of the rich and famous. They don't care about the country, they don't care about the citizens, they are in for themselves, and it is well depicted by the two idiots wearing that t-shirt that said "I rather be a Russian than Democrat", that is exactly what many republicans have opted for, that is exactly what trump and his family have embraced.

This is not the republican party of trump, it IS the republican party.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
22. I don't know how much of an effect it will have
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 01:39 PM
Sep 2018

I wondered the same thing while watching McConnell and Ryan at the service, but unfortunately, I don't think much will change with these people, these people do not feel shame, and I have to think that for them it is very late, they are implicated in something very awful so their behaviour will not change, at this time all they are trying to do is to save themselves for what I hope is coming to them.

These people lack a sense of patriotism, one that McCain carried with him throughout his life. There is the republican party and there was McCain.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
26. We may find out just how much of a service he did if the GOP
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 02:18 PM
Sep 2018

replace him in the Senate with someone who will vote to repeal Obamacare ...

Mandeville

(35 posts)
27. The ceremony showed that this country is built upon ceremony and traditions
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 02:25 PM
Sep 2018

Things that Chump and his conspirators have cast aside

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
28. More than that, he did a service by living a life that caused our media to...
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 02:25 PM
Sep 2018

...be filled with our best selves, not our worst.

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
30. It is easy to find fault with some person on a daily basis, but that fault finding should not
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 02:38 PM
Sep 2018

influence ones thoughts of that person over their lifetime.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,196 posts)
37. John McCain will have a legacy Comrade Fishlips will never have:
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 07:09 PM
Sep 2018

he won't have "that asshole" appended to his name whenever it's spoken.

(I'm waiting for Ronald McDonald and/or Col. Sanders to hold up their end of the bargain.)

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