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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn death, McCain has done a final great service to the country
Obviously I didn't agree with him much on voting because he was on the wrong side of the aisle, but let's make no mistake about what he did for the country in death by not inviting drumpf to this service.
A military hero send the message that drumpf's filthy hide is not welcome at his funeral. While members of the military sit in the Cathedral or watch from home, the message they are receiving is that drumpf is not worthy of your adoration.
I don't know how much of an effect it will have, but the message from McCain is clear, that we need to move beyond the drumpf's of the world to ever have any kind of unity in the country.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,791 posts)DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)So he did at least one significant thing to heal the country during the Trump years. Would love to list other positive gestures. (His endurance of torture and 5.5 yrs as a POW has been an enduring gesture as well)
john657
(1,058 posts)Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)john657
(1,058 posts)Welcome home Brother.
ooky
(8,929 posts)I don't understand how any vet can support this guy.
janx
(24,128 posts)And everybody knows it. How fitting that McCain's death is what will (we hope) unite the country again.
Yonnie3
(17,485 posts)We live in strange times.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)how many layers to the man that weren't readily evident. My impression now is that there is a range of issues he may have been persuadable on.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)is startling.
Lonestarblue
(10,074 posts)While John McCain was serving in Vietnam and suffering as a POW, Trump was dodging the draft and trying to prevent STDs from his promiscuous lifestyle. As the camera panned to the McCain family, I also noticed that two of McCains sons are in uniform, serving their country as their father did. Contrast that with Trumps two spoiled sons, Jr. and Eric, who think its an accomplishment to kill endangered species as trophies and who are just as selfish and corrupt as their despicable father.
Ponietz
(3,006 posts)dalton99a
(81,580 posts)Ponietz
(3,006 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,850 posts)Maybe some of those cowardly twerps in Congress will start thinking about how they'd like to be remembered.
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)is how rich they will be when they die.
drray23
(7,637 posts)Hopefully members of Congress and maybe some who voted for Trump will realize how childish and undignified their behavior is.
Sneederbunk
(14,301 posts)dchill
(38,532 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)cilla4progress
(24,766 posts)this thread! Thank you!
vi5
(13,305 posts)....The MAGA cultists hated McCain, and they are incapable of acknowledging their own hypocrisy ("Support the troops" when it comes to black men kneeling, but not when it comes to actually respecting someone who served, suffered and sacrificed).
And the coveted "independents" (HA!) excuse the crazies with "Well both sides have their lunatics" or whatever else.
PatrickforO
(14,588 posts)as American as apple pie. But, hatred, fear, xenophobia, homophobia, racism, bigotry, intolerance and the propensity to violence, as in lynchings - that is the underbelly of this nation. The sad truth is that America is built on genocide and slavery, and until we confront these gut-wrenchingly sad truths, we can never really be the light on the hill.
Obama was as near-perfect as a US president could be. Moral, just, intelligent, a master of the big picture, and a long-term thinker that put policies in place that really did some good. Without drama, he saved us from a worldwide depression, worked with Congress to pass the ACA, got Bin Laden, and through his cabinet implemented some truly good policies. But...he did all this while (gasp!) being black!
So...enter Trump. A white guy. As unintelligent, inept, incompetent, corrupt and treasonous as a president can be - in fact, we really haven't even touched the surface of how bad Trump really is, and how dangerous he is to the entire human race. But he's white. A sort of pale and rotten counterpart to the noble nature of his predecessor.
We really COULD be great, you know. A light on the hill. Even now, people aspire to come here because for many it is the land of opportunity. But we have to get to the bottom of this capitalist cancer that was born at the death of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, became tumescent with the growth of Fox 'news,' and metastasized through hundreds of hate-talk radio shows and alt-right websites. The problem is that these propaganda organs are funded by, and promote a capitalist message of rugged individualism, hooray for me and to heck with you, pull yourself up by the bootstraps.
That message is underpinned by a constant hatred for the government, a transformation of government from 'of, by and for' the people to some 'deep-state enemy of the people.' Something wasteful and stupid that people like Grover Norquist want to shrink to the point where we can 'drown it in the bathtub,' because then oligarchs can reign supreme with the help of an alt-right nationalist theocracy.
That is the plan.
Why? Because it is the best interests of the capitalists to have us make our very own government the enemy. If we are worried about government overreach and the 'deep state' somehow betraying those who cheated to be elected into office, then we don't have time to understand who is really picking our pockets, and who is systematically raping the treasury and routing as much money as possible to corporate profits and billionaires while we are left with an aging infrastructure, a healthcare program so sabotaged by Republicans that it is once again profoundly broken, the sacred trust of Social Security starving for funds, and virtually every program that actually helps Americans in danger of folding for lack of money.
But, hey, we've got PLENTY to route to 'defense' spending, including a brand-new, shiny Space Force!
It will take us years, decades, to wise up the American people, engage them in democracy at the local, state and national level, and create a system where people actually DO have a say in policies that affect them.
The biggest danger to humanity? To the world itself?
The Republican Party of Donald Trump.
yonder
(9,674 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)trump is the idiot who can use a pen, he was placed there to create chaos, to crap on the nation, to create anxiety and keep everyone distracted by the agenda of the republican party.
It is not "The Republican Party of Donald Trump.", that IS the republican party, they just found their idiot, their perfect decoy and he is doing his job just fine.
All this mess started even before trump came to the picture, the republican party has been corrupted for very long, the real crooks today are McConnell, Ryan, and the rest of the idiots in congress and senate, the lemmings of the republican party who are there only for the prestige and the chance to become rich after their tenure in politics. It is really very simple, they gain a sit of power and influence, they do their masters work with the promise of the rewards afterwards which may place them on the side of the rich and famous. They don't care about the country, they don't care about the citizens, they are in for themselves, and it is well depicted by the two idiots wearing that t-shirt that said "I rather be a Russian than Democrat", that is exactly what many republicans have opted for, that is exactly what trump and his family have embraced.
This is not the republican party of trump, it IS the republican party.
proglib217
(88 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)I wondered the same thing while watching McConnell and Ryan at the service, but unfortunately, I don't think much will change with these people, these people do not feel shame, and I have to think that for them it is very late, they are implicated in something very awful so their behaviour will not change, at this time all they are trying to do is to save themselves for what I hope is coming to them.
These people lack a sense of patriotism, one that McCain carried with him throughout his life. There is the republican party and there was McCain.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)replace him in the Senate with someone who will vote to repeal Obamacare ...
Mandeville
(35 posts)Things that Chump and his conspirators have cast aside
LAS14
(13,783 posts)...be filled with our best selves, not our worst.
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)influence ones thoughts of that person over their lifetime.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I hated his voting record, but he really did a great service on his way home.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Stuart G
(38,445 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,420 posts)Thanks for the thread Takket.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,196 posts)he won't have "that asshole" appended to his name whenever it's spoken.
(I'm waiting for Ronald McDonald and/or Col. Sanders to hold up their end of the bargain.)