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Here's what each and every Trump voter has in common: (Original Post) Cyrano Sep 2018 OP
K&R. I completely agree. They were all well aware of his extreme racism and how it woud harm lunamagica Sep 2018 #1
They are proud of it. erlewyne Sep 2018 #50
I'm afraid I have to disagree . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Sep 2018 #2
The common denominator is anger. At what I don't know. Sneederbunk Sep 2018 #7
I believe anger follows fear eleny Sep 2018 #22
This Cosmocat Sep 2018 #56
I gotta agree, just undefined anger running through their veins BamaRefugee Sep 2018 #54
Anger is a secondary emotion Cosmocat Sep 2018 #58
Anger that they and their kids are not getting ahead. Blue_true Sep 2018 #63
if vote for a racists you are a racists ! stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #8
thank you mercuryblues Sep 2018 #89
they may or may not be personally racist. . . Stargleamer Sep 2018 #21
Racism is not a continuum ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #23
+++ brer cat Sep 2018 #45
Have you forgotten that Trumpass's rusty fender Sep 2018 #31
One IS the thing one condones. dchill Sep 2018 #33
Exactly. If one condones it in others it is the same as participating in it onself. Texin Sep 2018 #43
I have to remember that. Butterflylady Sep 2018 #49
if they supported him they are ok with racism. JI7 Sep 2018 #38
I agree with you, but it seems to be a minority position marylandblue Sep 2018 #42
I know a number of them who definitely are not racists. Blue_true Sep 2018 #62
If they still support him now... Charlotte Little Sep 2018 #67
You have been here since 2003 - w/658 posts?!? alittlelark Sep 2018 #70
Then why would they support a world known racist like Trump uponit7771 Sep 2018 #71
I have a atreides1 Sep 2018 #80
Right. They listened to him saying things like "all those Mexicans Squinch Sep 2018 #82
my term - deplorable - and reasons vary. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2018 #3
Survey says! jcgoldie Sep 2018 #4
AND sexism! Squinch Sep 2018 #5
Not sure if this is correct Stargleamer Sep 2018 #6
If you knowingly choose a racist to run the country... jcgoldie Sep 2018 #11
sounds like good germans ! stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #12
Yes I know people like that Freddie Sep 2018 #78
K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #9
I would disagree slightly. Chemisse Sep 2018 #10
Wonder why those "Dems" you are describing would choose a racist over Clinton jcgoldie Sep 2018 #14
NO - non Racists who didn't want to vote for Hillary voted 3rd party or not at all. KentuckyWoman Sep 2018 #20
Sorry to disagree snowybirdie Sep 2018 #13
Do your children know trump is racist ? stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #16
Absolutely, yes! snowybirdie Sep 2018 #30
Look again. KentuckyWoman Sep 2018 #18
Since my son snowybirdie Sep 2018 #55
Look again. KentuckyWoman Sep 2018 #68
This person hit it Runningdawg Sep 2018 #29
Yes Butterflylady Sep 2018 #51
So your kid learned his racism on the street? louis c Sep 2018 #52
See my previous post snowybirdie Sep 2018 #57
Hey, my best friend is a 70 year old racist who supported Trump louis c Sep 2018 #66
I've never met a republicon that wasn't a racist. nt RandiFan1290 Sep 2018 #86
K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #15
They knowingly voted for a blatant racist (and criminal--he openly admitted to sexual assault). Garrett78 Sep 2018 #17
Oh, come on! peggysue2 Sep 2018 #19
The English language fails to describe them. bronxiteforever Sep 2018 #24
I agree, even when they claim some other reason ... CatMor Sep 2018 #25
I won't say that they are necessarily a racist if they voted for him, but... world wide wally Sep 2018 #26
zero sum game mentality handmade34 Sep 2018 #27
I agree. It is multi-faceted. I don't think every Trump supported is necessarily smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #60
k&R BlueJac Sep 2018 #28
Or greed. Funtatlaguy Sep 2018 #32
Their greed for lower taxes is, for some, sweetroxie Sep 2018 #90
pretty much Afromania Sep 2018 #34
insecurity --- entitlement C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #35
I think his hardest core supporters are racist, but ooky Sep 2018 #36
No, I believe it's actually fear borne of ignorance, in general. GoCubsGo Sep 2018 #37
I don't know if it is racism but I think there wasupaloopa Sep 2018 #39
Absolutely disagree. brooklynite Sep 2018 #40
Racism or tolerance of racism. moondust Sep 2018 #41
Here's my take on your post louis c Sep 2018 #44
Exactly! mountain grammy Sep 2018 #48
drumph strikes a chord of what are you going to do for me and mine MarcA Sep 2018 #46
Bigotry binds them. GeorgeGist Sep 2018 #47
I agree.... Heartstrings Sep 2018 #53
Agree Cyrano Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #59
I don't believe racism is really the answer to the OP grumpyduck Sep 2018 #61
Quietly enabling racism isn't much different than actively... 3catwoman3 Sep 2018 #64
+1, I'm wondering how this became a question here uponit7771 Sep 2018 #73
Are all assholes racist or are all racists assholes? GusBob Sep 2018 #65
Disagree. Absolutist statements (all, always, none, never) are almost always incorrect. Nt kelly1mm Sep 2018 #69
How is condoning racism any different? uponit7771 Sep 2018 #72
I disagree. Captain Stern Sep 2018 #74
Disagree. I give you this as an example--- SkyDancer Sep 2018 #75
Abortion and misogyny Freddie Sep 2018 #79
There is a historical confluence of anti-abortion activism and white supremacy. VOX Sep 2018 #84
Many white women are pro-life SkyDancer Sep 2018 #87
I agree WestIndianArchie Sep 2018 #76
Racism and ignorance TEB Sep 2018 #77
I've never met a republicon that wasn't a racist. nt RandiFan1290 Sep 2018 #81
ABSOLUTELY. Trump is the Grand Wizard of Birtherism. VOX Sep 2018 #83
There is a minority... Mike Nelson Sep 2018 #85
i wonder how many were Apprentice fans? Im still not convinced there wasnt subliminal messaging samnsara Sep 2018 #88
I say it's "entitlement" nadine_mn Sep 2018 #91
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2018 #92
You haven't pointed to credible evidence of your outlandish claims. I don't think you can. Try. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2018 #94
No. Your ridiculous statistical claims about AA, Hispanics, and women. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #95
and selfishness. nt Hotler Sep 2018 #96
I for one think we need to carefully avoid this kind of talk. better Sep 2018 #97
And / or sexism n/t CousinIT Sep 2018 #98

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
1. K&R. I completely agree. They were all well aware of his extreme racism and how it woud harm
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:49 PM
Sep 2018

minorities if he became POTUS, yet they voted for him.

No excuse for that.

2. I'm afraid I have to disagree . . .
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:54 PM
Sep 2018

Why? Because I know some Trump voters, and they are not personally racists nor would they knowingly condone racism. You said "each and every," but my own experience says otherwise.

I'm sorry, but I don't think that things are as black and white in this regard as many apparently believe. And making strawmen out of our political opponents is unsound, simply as a strategic matter.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
22. I believe anger follows fear
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:18 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Sun Sep 2, 2018, 04:41 PM - Edit history (1)

And fear of non white people stands tall in Trump world.

Cosmocat

(14,561 posts)
58. Anger is a secondary emotion
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:47 PM
Sep 2018

There's normally something that comes before anger, fear, disappointment, frustration. Anger is how we try to regain control.

They most certainly are angry, but it's more basic aspects of their safety that make them vulnerable to the b*******.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
63. Anger that they and their kids are not getting ahead.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 04:26 PM
Sep 2018

They see immigrants as the cause of their setbacks. Yet, they ignore the real cause of their and their children's' downward mobility, automation and failure by owners that benefit from automation to share their wealth.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
89. thank you
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 09:06 AM
Sep 2018

If a person voted for trump, they knowingly condone racism. It is not as if it was hidden, it was his whole freaking platform/campaign. His public life is steeped in racism from the beginning. His sexual assaults were also well documented during the campaign. His voters are also okay with that.


They knew and condoned it all.

Stargleamer

(1,989 posts)
21. they may or may not be personally racist. . .
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:16 PM
Sep 2018

but they did condone racism (or were at least indifferent to it), as Trump's behavior during the 2016 campaign was quite racist, and they knew it.

I do agree that making "strawmen out of our political opponents" is unsound.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
23. Racism is not a continuum
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:18 PM
Sep 2018

Trump voters are all complicit in promoting racism and racist ideology even if they are the tithing -for-poor-church going faithful who would never even consider using the “n” word. Even if all their grandchildren are Latino. Even if they themselves are of color He ran on racist imagery they voted for him anyway.

Just as women voted for Trump, are complicit in misogyny. Even if they are powerful CEOs, or influential politicians who reaped all the benefits of feminism. Trump did not hide what he was. They voted for him anyway.

Any, ANY white person who voted for Trump a is racist. They don’t get to hide behind pleasant words and shoddy rationalization. They own this. They own him.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
31. Have you forgotten that Trumpass's
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:45 PM
Sep 2018

meteoric rise in politics began as he promoted birtherism? His bonafides, as far as his supporters were concerned, for running as a Repuke presidential candidate came from the racist attacks on Obama.

Anyone who had two brain cells to rub together knew what Trump represented from the beginning.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
42. I agree with you, but it seems to be a minority position
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018

The people I know who voted for Trump are not consciously racists. They don't hate people because of race, believe in white supremacy or use racial slurs. Rather, they do not recognize institutional racism and implicit bias. Just because those of us who are "woke" recognize the racial stereotypes in Trump's language and the dangers it presents doesn't mean they can see it.

How can they not know? Well, they don't know a lot of other things too. Not necessarily stupid, but the horizons of their mind don't extend much beyond work, friends, family and sometimes, church. If it's not within their personal orbit, they have a hard time getting it.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
62. I know a number of them who definitely are not racists.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 04:22 PM
Sep 2018

Not close. They do confuse jingoism with patriotism and that have unsound concepts about how government operates, even ones that interface with government workers almost daily.

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
67. If they still support him now...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 06:13 PM
Sep 2018

...they knowingly condone racism. Therefore, they are racists.

However, if they voted for him but regret it and now condemn his words and actions, they may not be.

But anyone supporting that piece of human excrement at present is definitely a racist.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
70. You have been here since 2003 - w/658 posts?!?
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:36 PM
Sep 2018

Wow - u r good at watching !! I just can’t help myself but to respond - u must have a great deal of personal restraint!! 🙃

atreides1

(16,070 posts)
80. I have a
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:01 AM
Sep 2018

You say that these Trump voters you know would not "knowingly" condone racism...history has shown that not every German was an anti-semite!

Have you had a recent conversation as to why they continue to support a man who uses racism as a clarion call for his supporters...his attacks on people of color are not hidden...his rallies are the a call for action against his perceived enemies!!!

Maybe these people are cowards that hide in the shadows, preferring to remain unseen, that way when their man finally loses they can be like Peter and deny that they supported Trump at all!!!

Squinch

(50,935 posts)
82. Right. They listened to him saying things like "all those Mexicans
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:07 AM
Sep 2018

are rapists and criminals," and then they said, "Yeah, he'll make a great President!" but they're not racist.

Uh... bullshit.

Stargleamer

(1,989 posts)
6. Not sure if this is correct
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:57 PM
Sep 2018

as I know some who would vote for someone they know to be racist, as long as that person is against abortion, which they view as worse than racism.

Also, some very rich people vote Republican, not out of racial animosity, but because of their greed for a tax windfall.

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
11. If you knowingly choose a racist to run the country...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:01 PM
Sep 2018

That makes you a racist even if you did it due to religious zealotry or economic greed.

Freddie

(9,258 posts)
78. Yes I know people like that
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:54 AM
Sep 2018

Abortion is the ONLY issue. They would vote for the second coming of Hitler if he said he was “pro-life”. Terrifying to see people so utterly brainwashed.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
10. I would disagree slightly.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:00 PM
Sep 2018

I think there were swing voters who went for Trump because they didn't like Clinton; a few were even Dems! You may argue that the fact that they ignored Trump's racism meant that they are racists, but I suspect they were just indifferent to it. We all have our priorities of issues and people often put things low on the list if they don't affect them directly (political selfishness).

But these voters know they made a very big mistake. They may not be announcing it to the world (they are likely embarrassed and ashamed of what they did on that 2016 election day), but they are showing up in the polls.

However, I DO agree that every single person who is STILL a Trump supporter after all the sick, racist actions he has gleefully taken and all the POCs that he has hurt or would like to hurt, IS absolutely a racist.

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
14. Wonder why those "Dems" you are describing would choose a racist over Clinton
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:05 PM
Sep 2018

...something else about her maybe or something missing... hmmmm...

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
20. NO - non Racists who didn't want to vote for Hillary voted 3rd party or not at all.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:15 PM
Sep 2018

A vote for Trump was a vote for Racism. Period.

snowybirdie

(5,222 posts)
13. Sorry to disagree
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:04 PM
Sep 2018

One of my children is a die-hard rtumpster. Also became a dedicated evangelical. Racism wasn't taught in our home, as his siblings will attest.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
18. Look again.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:11 PM
Sep 2018

If your child is a Trumpster it's obvious there are other forces shaping your children than what went on in your home.

snowybirdie

(5,222 posts)
55. Since my son
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:45 PM
Sep 2018

is 50 years old and hasn't had connections with his birth family for over 15 years, I do believe your comments are not valid. His wife and his church are at fault.

Runningdawg

(4,516 posts)
29. This person hit it
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:40 PM
Sep 2018

Evagelicals
They don't consider themselves racists because they are doing what Jesus wants them to do.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
52. So your kid learned his racism on the street?
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:15 PM
Sep 2018

I have a lot of relatives (I have 100 cousins) who don't think they're racists, but support Trump.

I got news for you. They're all racists and so's your kid.

Unless your kid has a net worth of $1 million dollars, which means a case can be made that he's for Trump because of greed, then he's a racist. I have friends that remain my friends that support Trump, but I let them know I think they're racists. Being a racist is not a self-description, it's what others think you are.

"I supported Hitler, but that doesn't make me a Nazi" doesn't work with me.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
66. Hey, my best friend is a 70 year old racist who supported Trump
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 05:49 PM
Sep 2018

and he's still my best friend. When he voted for Trump he admitted to me he was a racist and a misogynist. He said that no women should be President. He rents apartments and takes phone messages. If he doesn't like the accent of the person on the phone, he doesn't call them back.

I never knew any of this until Trump ran against Hillary. He doesn't use the "N" word or other derogatory comments about minorities in my presence. He was the best man at my wedding 15 years ago and I married a Filipina. He's been my best friend for 40 years, he's 70 and will never change. But, I make no mistake about it, he's a racist.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
17. They knowingly voted for a blatant racist (and criminal--he openly admitted to sexual assault).
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:11 PM
Sep 2018

The vast majority, if not every single one, are certainly in denial about the existence of and profound impact of systemic racism. Even in the early 1960s, an overwhelming majority of white Americans believed Black Americans had equal opportunity and that racism was not a major concern.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
19. Oh, come on!
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:13 PM
Sep 2018

We're kidding ourselves if we deny racism wasn't the undercurrent to the Trumpster's message and remains his message: black, brown and everything in-between, anything that's not white Christian male is on his major hit list. The Christian part is just window-dressing for the Trumpster; he doesn't believe in anything but himself. The white male part is the nitty-gritty. And people who support him? They're signing onto that mindset.

It's ugly and it's blatant. No excuses.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
24. The English language fails to describe them.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:21 PM
Sep 2018

1. The moment Cheeto made fun of the disabled reporter, everyone knew who he was even if they lived in a cave.
2. “Blood coming out of her” remark showed his ancient primitive disgust for women as equals.
3. His embrace of the new Nazis movement.
4. His paper towel mocking performance amidst the ruin of Puerto Rico.
5. His intentional destruction of families at the border and the torture of children.
6. The mocking of the Khan family
7. His low IQ remarks aimed at African Americans
Etc,etc. The measure of this man is clear.

Given just this smattering of his beliefs, if a person is still a follower, racist certainly applies. Fascist applies yet words fail. Deplorable is too soft and I admit so is bully. We have gone beyond words.
Maybe contemptible works but surely evil they are.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
26. I won't say that they are necessarily a racist if they voted for him, but...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:23 PM
Sep 2018

They most certainly are if they still support him.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
27. zero sum game mentality
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:24 PM
Sep 2018

fear
irrational sense of entitlement (relative deprivation)
racism
anger
inability to understand human nature
authoritarian tendencies
self interest
inability to understand "we are all in this together"
etc....

...bits of many of these traits in #notmypresident supporters



 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
60. I agree. It is multi-faceted. I don't think every Trump supported is necessarily
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:55 PM
Sep 2018

an overt racist, but it's not something that particularly bothers them either. I think there is a lot of anger in the surrounding the issues you have listed above. From the Trumpers I know, it's more about a hatred of Liberals and Liberal values. Their attitudes are very authoritarian and controlling. Most of them have never (to my knowledge) said anything negative about minorities, but they lump "Liberals" into this monolith that is out to destroy everything they hold dear. Most of what they believe is just ignorance and a lot of them are hopped up on Fox news.

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
32. Or greed.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:49 PM
Sep 2018

I have some family members who are very wealthy that only care about lower taxes.
They always vote Republican.
I don’t consider them racists.

sweetroxie

(776 posts)
90. Their greed for lower taxes is, for some,
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 09:14 AM
Sep 2018

a reflection of their hatred of the "FreeStuffArmy&quot FHA)- all those people who expect handouts. They don't want THEIR money to be "redistributed" to "ne'rdowells" in the FHA.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
34. pretty much
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:54 PM
Sep 2018

There is no reason to support a man like this who pushes ideas like this. If you are so fucking greedy you supported him then you are a piece of shit. If you are so up a tree about abortion rights that the rights of other living folks mean little then you are a piece of shit. If you voted for him despite his character staring you in the face then you are a piece of shit.

I personally don't give a rats ass why any of them voted for him any more and I wish that shit would stop. No where do I ever hear they are out there actively working to fix this shit. Just reports they are dis interested in voting. They aren't interested in admitting their failure and they are willing to let it continue happening by doing jack shit or doubling down for the most part.

Like so many in this country i'm sick and tired of being being sick and tired of the daily dose of this insanity happening without fail EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. I'm just as sick and tired of people trying to explain why the people that voted us here aren't really racist or misogynistic, xenophobic or what ever else. There is no reason to have supported him and no reason AT ALL to continue to support him. If they want a thing to call these people that isn't label specific ,i.e. racist or whatever then let's just go with hateful ass pieces of shit.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
36. I think his hardest core supporters are racist, but
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:55 PM
Sep 2018

I also think there are also some others who are single issue voters that won't vote for a democrat because of their own personal issues, and are willing to excuse any behavior to protect for their own issue. I know someone, for example, who is a gun humper, but I've never seen any racist tendency in him. I've known him for over 25 years, we played basketball together for most of that time (until my body finally gave out), we have many friends of multiple races, and I've never heard him say an unkind word about anybody. But he is a hunting enthusiast, and just loves his guns so much and is so scared that dems will send boogeymen to his home to take away his guns. So, as best as I can tell, everytime he votes he votes for his guns.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
37. No, I believe it's actually fear borne of ignorance, in general.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:07 PM
Sep 2018

Sure, most of them are racists. I don't think they all are. (The non-racists ARE okay with others being racist, however.) I think it's just a general fear of people things that don't exist within their little bubbles. Most of them hate liberals, too, and that's not a race thing. Neither is the hatred most of them have toward non-Christians. Loads of anti-Semites among them, and most Jewish folks are white. They lack the curiosity and unwillingness to learn about people who are different. That sort of thing leads to fear of "the other", as well as fear of change. That's why people like that love authoritarians so much. They need a daddy to protect them from all those scary, scary things out there, and to tell them what to think.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
39. I don't know if it is racism but I think there
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:11 PM
Sep 2018

is fear that non whites will do to whites as whites have done to non whites.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
40. Absolutely disagree.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:12 PM
Sep 2018

There's a share (10-15%) of Trump voters who actually voted for Obama. They voted for Trump as a protest against Government not dealing with their economic issues.

This OP is a DANGEROUS assertion. It's very easy to demonize voters for the other side, but it doesn't help win them back.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
41. Racism or tolerance of racism.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:33 PM
Sep 2018

Some are probably not overt racists themselves but were nevertheless willing to vote for a racist and tolerate the racism that would inevitably follow.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
44. Here's my take on your post
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:51 PM
Sep 2018

Not every Trump voter is a racist. However, every racist is a Trump voter.

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
48. Exactly!
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:08 PM
Sep 2018

I've often thought, if I was a multi millionaire, I might like trump.. but good to see there are more than a few who don't and I can't imagine being either rich or a trumper. But I do believe greed was a factor, like racism, which is the biggest.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
46. drumph strikes a chord of what are you going to do for me and mine
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:04 PM
Sep 2018

and don't care what you do about them and theirs. No place for
those who think we are all in this together. Also, a large amount of
knee jerk racism and misogyny is nurtured and hatred grows even
if there wasn't that much in the beginning.

Heartstrings

(7,349 posts)
53. I agree....
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:20 PM
Sep 2018

He is allowed to say, or inflect, what these mostly white, angry people are unable to. It gives them credence to hear their proclaimed one spewing their hate for them.....

grumpyduck

(6,231 posts)
61. I don't believe racism is really the answer to the OP
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 04:07 PM
Sep 2018

I believe racism is a symptom of something else, something deeper. Someone above suggested anger and I think that's a possibility, but I think even anger is a symptom.

From what I see in the MSM, and from talking with a few DJT supporters (and from what Fox says), what I see them having in common is more like stubbornness. They seem to insist on getting their news and commentary from very specific sources and going only with what those sources say -- not wanting to even consider that there may be other viewpoints. From what I've seen, it appears that a lot of them have "dug in" and want to stay there regardless of anything. To quote a line from the movie The Sixth Sense: they only see what they want to see.

I've known, and worked with, a number of people over the years who are the same way: they believe something, or do something, or not do something, and then dig in forever, refusing to even consider the idea that they may have made a bad choice, or a mistake, or done something that hurt somebody. At the last job I had, most of the higher-ups appeared to be deathly afraid of being perceived as making mistakes, so they insisted on defending them even when it was obvious there was a mistake. It's like they didn't want to lose face. After some digging, I discovered that the company culture, developed over the years by very authoritarian heads, made it nearly "suicidal" for managers to admit a mistake. It was a culture of fear.

So I have to wonder if what a lot of them have in common is really a deep-rooted fear of something. And when I see what top Congressional Republicans are doing or not doing, that's what I think I see.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
74. I disagree.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:21 AM
Sep 2018

The only thing that I've found that 'each and every' trump voter has in common is that they voted for trump, and maybe that they are morons.

Not all trump voters are racists, but I think it's fair to say that most racists are trump voters.

Some of his voters just voted for him because Clinton is a woman. They didn't have a problem voting for Obama.

Some of his voters are so uninformed that they thought trump was actually a serious candidate that would 'drain the swamp' or other such nonsense.

Some of his voters would have voted for anyone that had an 'R' next to their name, regardless of who it was.

It's a mixed bag of nuts.

 

SkyDancer

(561 posts)
75. Disagree. I give you this as an example---
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:24 AM
Sep 2018

Abortion.

That is the one thing they are ALL united against.

Freddie

(9,258 posts)
79. Abortion and misogyny
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:59 AM
Sep 2018

Which tend to go together. Or to quote one of DH’s co-workers, “I don’t want that c*nt in the WH.”

VOX

(22,976 posts)
84. There is a historical confluence of anti-abortion activism and white supremacy.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:14 AM
Sep 2018

Why are all those white MEN so vocal about taking away a woman's right to control her own body?
They fear that other races are gaining in numbers. The first known murder of an abortion provider was committed by a former Klansman. Both are movements dedicated to preserving a white patriarchal order.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
83. ABSOLUTELY. Trump is the Grand Wizard of Birtherism.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:07 AM
Sep 2018

More than seven years ago, Trump "introduced" himself onto the political scene with his sleazy, ugly birtherism LIES. He is still obsessed with Obama, and that obsession is rooted in pure, unadulterated racism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FBirther%20Movement&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=18&pgtype=collection
Donald Trump Clung to ‘Birther’ Lie for Years, and Still Isn’t Apologetic
New York Times, 9/16/2016

It was not true in 2011, when Donald J. Trump mischievously began to question President Obama’s birthplace aloud in television interviews. “I’m starting to think that he was not born here,” he said at the time.

It was not true in 2012, when he took to Twitter to declare that “an ‘extremely credible source’” had called his office to inform him that Mr. Obama’s birth certificate was “a fraud.”

It was not true in 2014, when Mr. Trump invited hackers to “please hack Obama’s college records (destroyed?) and check ‘place of birth.’”

It was never true, any of it. Mr. Obama’s citizenship was never in question. No credible evidence ever suggested otherwise.

Yet it took Mr. Trump five years of dodging, winking and joking to surrender to reality, finally, on Friday, after a remarkable campaign of relentless deception that tried to undermine the legitimacy of the nation’s first black president.

In fact, it took Mr. Trump much longer than that: Mr. Obama released his short-form birth certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health in 2008. Most of the world moved on.

But not Mr. Trump.

He nurtured the conspiracy like a poisonous flower, watering and feeding it with an ardor that still baffles and embarrasses many around him.

Mr. Trump called up like-minded sowers of the same corrosive rumor, asking them for advice on how to take a falsehood and make it mainstream in 2011, as he weighed his own run for the White House.

“What can we do to get to the bottom of this?” Mr. Trump asked Joseph Farah, an author who has long labored on the fringes of political life. “What can we do to turn the tide?”

What he could do — and what he did do — was talk about it, uninhibitedly, on social media, where dark rumors flourish in 140-character bursts and, inevitably, find a home with those who have no need for facts and whose suspicions can never be allayed.

And he mused about it on television, where bright lights and sparse editing ensure that millions can hear falsehoods unchallenged by fact-checking.

“Why doesn’t he show his birth certificate?” Mr. Trump asked on ABC’s “The View.” “I want to see his birth certificate,” he told Fox News’s “On the Record.”

And so it went.

The essential question — Why promote a lie? — may be unanswerable. Was it sport? Was it his lifelong quest to court media attention? Was it racism? Was it the cynical start of his eventual campaign for president?

It might not matter. He kept doing it, even as his most senior aides assured the public that he had long since abandoned the fallacy.

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He had not. He was disingenuous until the very end, telling a Washington Post reporter just 72 hours before that he was unready to concede the president’s place of birth. But he treated the weighty topic, as he does so much else, like a television cliffhanger, promising a major declaration on Friday.

And then, around 11 a.m. Friday in Washington, he gave up the lie. But he conjured up a bizarre new deception, congratulating himself for putting to rest the doubts about Mr. Obama that he had fanned since 2011. “I finished it,’’ he declared, unapologetically. “President Obama was born in the United States — period.’’

Surrounded by, and in many ways shielded by, decorated veterans in his new Washington hotel, he could not resist indulging in another falsehood — that his opponent, Hillary Clinton, had started the so-called birther movement. She did not.

Much has been made of Mr. Trump’s casual elasticity with the truth; he has exhausted an army of fact-checkers with his mischaracterizations, exaggerations and fabrications. But this lie was different from the start, an insidious, calculated calumny that sought to undo the embrace of an African-American president by the 69 million voters who elected him in 2008.

In the end, it seemed, Mr. Trump’s plot to diminish Mr. Obama did not succeed. On Friday, the president of the United States seemed much bigger.

“I was pretty confident about where I was born,” Mr. Obama said from the White House, a wry smile crossing his face. “I think most people were as well.’’

And the president had this to say about the myth heedlessly spread by the man seeking to replace him: “My hope would be that the presidential election reflects more serious issues than that.”

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
85. There is a minority...
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:16 AM
Sep 2018

… of the minority of Trump voters who voted to "shake up the system." I have a black friend from childhood who voted for Trump. He does not think skin color means one is superior... I think he's just unhappy with his life and the "system".

samnsara

(17,615 posts)
88. i wonder how many were Apprentice fans? Im still not convinced there wasnt subliminal messaging
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 09:06 AM
Sep 2018

...during the program..

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
91. I say it's "entitlement"
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 10:11 AM
Sep 2018

Now could be because they are white and fear the "others" are taking things away from them

Could be because they are male and fear women having any control of their bodies or having equality

Could be because they are rich and fear the lower class will take away from their wealth

But it all feels like the trump voter feels "entitled" and think that they are somehow having something taken from them

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #93)

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
95. No. Your ridiculous statistical claims about AA, Hispanics, and women.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 11:16 AM
Sep 2018

Your post is chock full of RW talking points and terminology.

better

(884 posts)
97. I for one think we need to carefully avoid this kind of talk.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 12:11 PM
Sep 2018

Now before you hit reply and start flaming, please hear me out.

First of all, it is worth noting that our opposition party has completely forsaken critical thinking and honest intellectual observation in favor of "everyone who's not with us is evil" thinking, and we do ourselves no favors by joining them in taking up this kind of rhetoric, or by ignoring or refuting evidence to the contrary.

Secondly, there is a huge difference between being racist or condoning racism and failing to recognize it for what it is.

I, too, personally know more than a few people who voted for Trump, whom I know beyond any doubt not to be racist or to condone racism. Unfortunately, they also pay inadequate attention to politics and/or pay attention to fake coverage, without realizing that it is fake.

One of the most insidious aspects of racism is that those who want to enact policies rooted in racism do not need to sway people to share in their racist ideology. They only need to sway people to support their policies. And there are two types of people who support such policies. Those who support them because they are racist, and those who support them for some other reason. Hillary made this distinction herself in the "deplorables" speech.

There is definitely something to be said for calling out actual knowing racism wherever it is spotted, but we ultimately undermine our own objectives when we label someone racist solely on the basis of what policies or politicians they support. The policies and politicians one supports can be informative, for sure, but it matters a great deal more why they support them.

Someone supporting racist policies out of ignorance or misinformation of course does not excuse their support of those policies, or absolve them of their responsibility for their impact. But it does mean that it may well be possible to bring them to the light, by enlightening them, much more so than if they supported those policies because they actually are personally racist.

We face two kinds of opposition in this fight. Opponents who want to be on the wrong side, and opponents who simply do not realize that they are. Personally, I think we would be wise to remember that the latter of those two are redeemable, and we could really use their support.

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