This is what bothers me about Avenatti

[SHRED]

Link to tweet

[tonyt53]

1. That guy was nobody until he represented a prostitute. Hundreds just like him out there.

Now he is the flavor of the month to some people. He has their vote for anything that he runs for. Mind boggling.

[SHRED]

3. Cult of personality

[brush]

10. Dems always complain about our milquetoast leadership but when a fighter like Avenatti appears...

so many jump to trash him.

He's absolutely right about this. We here on DU have known for weeks the repugs are withholding all but 4 % of this guy's judicial records but our leadership hasn't been yelling this from the rooftops.

Only now at the hearing are they talking about it. Schumer and all the rest should have been making a hugh deal of this.

We need people like Avenatti who aren't afraid of trump and the repugs and will disrupt and speak out publicly against them.

And btw, he was first in his class at Georgetown Law. He also just recently came back from personally escorting one of the kids separated at the border back to his mother. That's called walking the walk, not just talking.

[PSPS]

14. "Fighter?" Please.

He's a media creation. Another "reality show" character, just like trump. He lives and breathes to be on TEE VEE. Look at me!!1! My rally will have BETTER RATINGS!!!111!!!! That makes me MORE POPULAR and, thus, BETTER!!!111!!!1! Am I animated enough for you to get the gig? CALL MY AGENT AND BOOK ME!!11!!

[brush]

41. Did you read the part about him personally escorting a child back to his mother separated at...

the border. He walks the walk and is not just a media creation. Also head of his class at Georgetown Law and doesn't hesidtate to take on trump.

WTF is wrong with people. He's a Democrat. Why wouldn't we want people not afraid to speak out?

We're always complaining about Dems not fighting back and here's one and many can't wait to climb over each other to trash him.

We haven't done so well with the polite, erudite milquetoasts. Time to try something else. I remember back in 2007 a brash, young guy decided to not listen to the naysayers saying he should be patient and wait his turn and we got one of the best presidents ever.

Not saying Avenatti should be at the top of the ticket but think about this Dems, a vp candidate is usually assigned the attack dog role in going after the opposition candidates in a campaign. Who better to do that than Avenatti with the knowledge he has on trump, and the way he gets under trump's skin. And all should notice trump never, ever attacks him.

Why is that?

[PSPS]

69. And this qualifies someone to govern how? Because they're a TV personality like trump?

We've been schooled enough as to the consequences of having essentially a cartoon character elected to president. If Avenatti is really interested in governing, let him run for local office or congress first. This "TV personality to president" nonsense it ridiculous. And the mere fact that Avenatti espouses such a desire instantly disqualifies him because it's proof positive that he doesn't take such responsibility seriously.

[brush]

71. All you got out of that is he's a TV personality? God!

[PSPS]

73. A person who is on TV all the time is, by definition, a TV personality.

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74. Not worthy of a reply.

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76. This might change your mind about Avenatti.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11093391

[womanofthehills]

107. At least he is having a rally at the same time - he's fucking creative - it's a great idea!

All politicians are "look at me." I like him. Only a few politicians became personally involved with the "kids in cages." We have a Dem doing stuff and taking charge and you are pissed - give me a break!

[tonyt53]

24. I doubt you recall the sad episode about Terry Schiavo. People used her too to garner attention.

They even broke into the nursing home and attempted to give her water after she was removed from life support. After she died and the autopsy results came back, her brain really was dead and had been for quite some time. The moral of this story is that when you walk the walk, make sure of what you are stepping on/in. Flavor of the month club is what his followers are. Lawyers for prostitutes are a dime a dozen.

[brush]

45. So you're equating this with the Schiavo case? He escorted a kid separated from his mother...

and reunited them. What the hell does that have to do with Schiavo and the stupid doctor turned repug pol who diagnosed her stupidly and incorrectly on TV?

Avenatti would be a good VP candidate assigned the attack dog role against the opposition. We've certainly seen how good he is at that. trump won't even attack him back because he knows Avenatti has the goods on him.

We're certainly not winning much with our milquetoast leadership approach now.

Time to start bring more than a covered dish to gun fights like we've been doing for years, and also which everybody here always complains about.

[brush]

55. It's a dumb comparison. The two cases have nothing to do with each other.

[demosincebirth]

95. I'm an old time dem - don't call myself a liberal or progressive, just

A Democrat and l agree with you. Thanks for your post. I like him too.

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96. Here's some more info on Avenatti. These people know little about him yet bash him.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11093391

[demosincebirth]

109. Yeah, l read that post. He seems like the kind of guy

The democrats need - a fighter for our “core” values.

[mitch96]

33. +1

NOT bringing a butter knife or hot dish to a gun fight... I don't agree with everything he says or does but you must admit.. he knows how to attack..
m

[jberryhill]

37. He saved the government the cost of deporting that kid

What happened to their asylum application?

[brush]

42. The mother was deported. He took it upon himself to reunite him with his mother. Google it.

[jberryhill]

50. Yes, I'm familiar with the actual circumstances, and his take on it...

...which are two different things - the end result being what neither of them wanted.

[brush]

51. Of course. The crooked admin's gestapo policies dashed their asylum hopes. At least they were...

reunited.

[Bryan]

92. Avenatti is just a opportunistic shyster and nothing more.

He belongs in the same category as "fighters" like Alan Grayson and Anthony Weiner.

[brush]

94. You don't know what you're talking about. Educate yourself at the link.

Then get back to us.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11093391

[treestar]

102. Still if he were president with a republican

majority, he would be no more powerful than any other in that situation. There would be inevitable "disappointment."

[brush]

105. Let's work to get out the vote for the Nov. election to at least get a majority in the House.

[Pachamama]

16. Stephanie Clifford (actress name Stormy Daniels) is not a Prostitute. She appears in Adult Films

...as a performer, which is not prostitution and is a legal activity. Her affair with Donald Trump was between two consenting adults as he committed adultery. He then had his attorney and fixer Michael Cohen attempt to silence her from telling the truth and exposing him for this adulterous affair in order to conceal this information from voters and thus committed the breaking of campaign finance laws for which he will eventually be held accountable. Ms Clifford is not a criminal nor a Prostitute.

Please correct your post and remove this incorrect allegation and assail on the character of a private citizen you neither know and are accusing of illegal activity.

Michael Avenatti is a good lawyer and he speaks the truth. What did he do in this statement he tweeted that is inaccurate?

[tonyt53]

25. Yeah, just keep repeating that. And finally, do not attempt to threaten me. I don't run.

[leftynyc]

35. Don't whine about donnie being a liar

when you wont correct your own errors. She's not a prostitute and you ARE a liar.

[Pachamama]

44. I politely requested that you edit your post which contained a claim someone is a Prostitute & to

stick to facts.

There was not threat.

Although I do interpret your reply to me as a threat.

[LanternWaste]

57. Well, you appear to be running away from accuracy.

(and being told of an inaccuracy is not a threat; in fact, it's a favor to prevent us from talking about things of which we have little knowledge other than our own biases and sentiments)

[jberryhill]

39. "He then had his attorney and fixer Michael Cohen attempt to silence her from telling the truth"

What was the $130k about?

[Pachamama]

43. $130,000 Campaign Funding payment for silence

Not for Prostitution

And it didn't work....she wasn't silent

[brush]

56. You do know the 130k was paid for silence of an adulterous affair from 10+ year ago, right?

She was not paid for sex. You must know that.

[jberryhill]

58. I was asking what the $130k was for

Because if one believes the material that was seized from Cohen, the notion that "he tried to buy her silence" seems a bit reversed. She was interested in selling her silence, and he was not interested in buying it until the Access Hollywood tape came out.

Can you remind me how the figure of $130k was reached. What were the initial negotiating positions of the parties?

[RestoreAmerica2020]

59. Thank you! Calling this woman a prostitute is degrading, please stop!

She is a person and has rights.

As for Avenatti, right now--he is the only one that has caused the odious traitor in WH, repub pundits and gop to tremble. He recently said. "when they go low, I say we hit harder;” he is a fighter who passionately and consistantly articulates democratic views; an attorney and is an outspoken advocate against injustice. Michael Avanatti for President! #Make America, America Again!

[shanny]

101. Thank you. nt

[redstateblues]

27. Prostitute?

You need to get your facts straight

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77. You couldn't be more wrong. Check the link below with info on Avenatti.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11093391

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97. You know little about Avenatti. Learn something from this link then get back to us.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11093391

[DesertRat]

2. Yes. I don't appreciate him attacking Democrats

This is the wrong way to elevate himself.

[smirkymonkey]

4. He's right.

[Trust Buster]

5. He is just a political opportunist with a bankruptcy in his past.

[brush]

106. Here's some actual info on Avenatti at this link. The bashing we see here is inaccurate.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11093391

[Wounded Bear]

6. Actually, they have been...

Avenatti is an opportunist, much like Trump. I hope he can contribute to the downfall of the Trump regime, but I don't want him in my politics.

[procon]

7. I agree with Avenatti.

Dems were mostly silent and missed another opportunity to get our message to the public. They should have been grabbing every microphone they could to warn the public that the Republicans are trying to hide some disqualifying secret about Kavanaugh. They waited for the hearings when they knew that their complaints would produce nothing.

[LenaBaby61]

19. Yep ....

But that's how they roll. Maxine Waters criticizes fatso, and Nancy & Chuck come after Maxine

IF Dems DO win back control of Congress this fall between ruskie interference AGAIN, voter-crosschecking, voter-purging Dems off voter rolls, voter ID, gerrymandering, not allowing Dems to redraw fairer districts due to gerrymandering et al, I wonder if Schumer will "allow" Maxine Waters to become the
chair of the House Financial Services Committee? It's no slam dunk IMHO. I could see a "random" Dem "placed" there who won't use their broad subpoena powers to take a much needed look into treasonous Fatso-in-Chief's bank records. It's like folks don't understand that if Dems don't stand up to this BS, all IS lost.

I keep telling my friends to not put all of their hopes on Schumer, but ALL of them keep insisting that Schumer wants to get tRump out of the White House as badly as we all do who want our country back, and he'll do whatever that takes to make it so. I tell them okay, if Dems take the Congress back, we'll see whose assigned to what leadership posts in the Congress.

[jdoyle1x1]

89. Schumer has no voice in House committee assignments

I wonder if Schumer will "allow" Maxine Waters to become the
chair of the House Financial Services Committee?

Schumer is in the Senate, Waters is in the House. Nancy (if she is Speaker) will make that decision, not Chuck.

[shanny]

8. He's right, and he's not the only one saying it.

Dems have been bringing sporks to gun fights for YEARS. And we have been letting it slide. And with it, our Party's fortunes. #Basta

[LenaBaby61]

20. "Dems have been bringing sporks to gun fights for YEARS."

Sporks?

Try Marshmallows. Melted ones at that is what most Dems bring to a thuglican knife fight.

[shanny]

63. Definitely something squishy! nt

[Polly Hennessey]

9. Agree with Avanatti.

Waiting until the hearing to show outrage was bringing that same old butter knife to a gun fight. Love my Dems, wish they knew how to fight.

[shanny]

103. Exactly.

Who first called it "kabuki theater"? I see it as posturing for the cameras. If they really wanted to fight, not a single one should be there at all: they should be out on the Capital steps making a fuss for everyone to see. Schumer should have his entire caucus in line, opposing this travesty. If we are going to lose anyway, at least go down fighting. We won't lose a single vote that might be get-able, and we will pick some up. Just my 2 cents.

[uponit7771]

11. Unnnn, right statement wrong time maybe

[padah513]

12. Between Aretha Franklin's death, and the death of John McCain

There weren't that many media outlets available to make an issue to for the last week or so. Before that the media was focused on the latest Trump screw-up, and that lasted a couple weeks or so. When was the last time you heard the media mention anything about the Supreme Court other than Democratic efforts to get all of Kavanaugh's documents released? This Democratic Party bashing has got to stop.

[tonyt53]

32. Oh, but the same people that fell for the ruskies nonsense in 2016 are falling for it again.

The facts you brought up make no difference to those people.

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47. I'm with Avenatti on this. The Dem leadership has known for weeks of the repug witholding of docs

Schumer et al should've been yelling from the rooftops for weeks about this. The two funerals over the weekend had nothing to do with them yet again bring a covered dish to a gunfight with the repugs.

[Mojo2]

13. I like him

This nonsense has went on too long, where we have allowed the Republicans to beat us up because, well we're taking the high road, which is a joke. That plan has been an absolute failure, you cannot take the high road against people that could careless about your health and welfare, they will drive right over you without an ounce of remorse. It's time our party started to grow a set, time to smack the bully in the mouth and repeat, politics has changed, you must fight fire with fire. I have no opinion on Avenatti, in regards to running for the position of President, but I do like that he has at least spoken up and is willing to go toe to toe with these animals. Seriously, why is anyone worrying about who is running in 2020? Everyone should be fixated on Nov 2018, we must take the House, or quite possibly this country may be overrun by corruption and greed, that a 2020 election would be a facade. We need more people like Avenatti, Ted Lieu, Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, and less of guys like Schumer that want to talk things through, and not rile the opposition.

[brush]

48. Yes, yes, yes. Agree 100% K&R.

[bigtree]

15. not the only one today

Link to tweet

[JHan]

17. "like an overeager fan in the stands yelling for the team manager to put him in the game"

yup.

[brush]

108. You might find this interesting.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11093391

[brush]

49. Come on. Repugs are about to ram this guy thru and for the next generation they'll be rolling back..

women's right, civil rights, voting rights...you name it and our milquetoast leadership has known for weeks that the repugs have been witholding docs on this guy's damaging decisions and have hardly uttered a peep until today's hearing.

I'm glad someone called them out. We keep being so polite and mild-mannered, but it doesn't work.

We're fighting against Russian-backed, gerrymandering, vote suppressing, totally corrupt, presidency-stealing crooks.

Fu_k being polite anymore.

[bigtree]

65. we don't need Avenatti to tell us how to fight

...we don't need anyone ragging on Democrats right now.

We certainly don't need Avenatti stepping on our elected legislators to elevate his own bid for whatever he's running for. The effect of his sniping is self-aggrandizement, at the expense of ignoring Democrats already engaged and fighting republicans on every level.

If this is his bid for the presidency, it's a sophomoric sham.

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66. Whatever. He's actually speaking out. Who else is? He's a Democrat, registered and all. Bernie...

Sanders trashes the party all the time and half the people here rush to defend him and he's not even a Democrat.

I for one am tired of the mild-mannered, polite, miiquetoasts Democrats.

Maxine Waters came out strongly against repugs and she was immediately chastised by the Dem leadership.

Avenatti speaks truth to power and he's bashed for speaking the truth.

It's sickening.

The leadership should've been yelling from the rooftops for weeks about the withheld documents, ran newspaper ads, ran social media campaigns, lobbied to get on the news shows, even organize street demonstrations out of their comfy offices.

But no, just mild complaints before the hearing and at the hearing we raise objections. You tell me you're happy with that lackluster effort when the next generation of SCOTUS decisions is in the balance.

[bigtree]

67. a lot of people are 'speaking out'

...the productive ones are fighting republicans, not clamoring at every opportunity (falsely) that Dems aren't fighting enough.

The next generation of conservative SCOTUS won't be determined by self-serving swipes at our party by ambiguous, Democratic pretenders.

[brush]

68. Are you a Sanders supporter?

[bigtree]

70. I support Sen. Sanders

...in his re-election to his senate seat.

[brush]

75. Ok, here's some info on Avenatti that you should know.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11093391

[bigtree]

83. no thanks

...I do follow his legal work.

Waiting for the depositions of Trump he promises are imminent.

[brush]

84. Your loss. There's quite a bit of substance to the man. It's from an LA Times...

bio. Why would anyone on here not want to educate themselves more so their opinions are more informed?

[bigtree]

85. I'm more focused on the folks actually running and legislating

...than I'm interested in listening to folks throwing stones at our party.

But, thanks for the diversion.

[brush]

87. Well, you've definitely altered my opinion of you.

[bigtree]

88. go Avenatti!

...

[smirkymonkey]

90. +1000

This!

[Pachamama]

18. Sorry Shred, I need to disagree with you on this one....

Avenatti said the truth and what he is doing is completely correct in pointing out that morning outrage is not enough. This wasn't him assailing Democrats - he is reminding them to speak louder and more forcefully, which they need to do and keep doing.

Democrats and all democratic minded citizens who care about due process and transparency and our democracy and justice need to be speaking out everyday, every moment at the top of their lungs and voices.

[lame54]

21. I think we all know about these documents...

We've been hearing about them for weeks

[pnwmom]

78. "We" are a very select group. I doubt that the majority of voters know what we do. n/t

[RiverStone]

29. Agree! History is watching

Dems have to wage such the pushback that public opinion forces rethugs to allow due process.

It has to happen now. Never before has an unstable, mentally unfit, cheated-to-win man-child been allowed to nominate SCOTUS picks.

[njhoneybadger]

22. It is what it is, Avenatti is right

[Hortensis]

23. Lol. The most troubling thing about him is

the people who pop up to claim whatever new TV personality has taken their fancy now should run for president.

[NCTraveler]

26. The Democrats have been talking about these documents daily.

What is Avenatti smoking? Ahhhh. The Presidency. That's what's in his pipe. Dreams.

[SHRED]

28. Exactly!

[JHan]

38. +++++ And if he can't be bothered to understand senate deals ...

and that the only "GUN" a congressional leader has is a majority, he has no business running for President.

[ecstatic]

81. Where? I haven't seen 1! They should speak out on platforms that

people are watching. And again, optics matter. Show outrage. Stop fucking smiling!

[NCTraveler]

99. "I haven't seen 1!"

That’s about what it’s like.

[nini]

86. He's just another blowhard for the disruptors to get behind

He doesn't fool me one bit.

Same old tactics the others have. And yet.. more will fall for it.

blah

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91. Here's some good info for you.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11093391

[NCTraveler]

98. Not sure what the correlation you are trying to make is.

Here is some information for you.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/money/5354265/lebron-james-i-promise-school-akron

[brush]

100. I know all about LeBron's school. I'm a fan. I just thought the info on Avenatti...

should be shared as there seems to be so many negative opinions about him here on DU.

[avebury]

30. He is totally correct. It is time that

the Democrats start pounding the airwaves and electronic media.

[SHRED]

31. Republicans own the airwaves.

[avebury]

34. They don't own the internet.

With more and more people ditching cable and satellite, the internet is the place to go.

Democrats have to look at all available avenues to get their message out and they need to be relentless.

You never see Republicans backing down. There was a time when they had as little power as the Democrats have now but they settled on a long game plan, remained relentless, stayed focused and
look where they are today.

I despise the Rethugs but I would think that they Democrats have a lot to learn by studying how they have operated over the last few decades.

When your current tactics aren't working you need to develop new ones. At this point, I am ready for the Democrats to bring out the napalm and nukes. You will never reach the Trump cultists but there are some who have not beyond reach. Democrats need to rip the band aids off of those so that they have a chance to see the light. If you can pull some of them away, the % of Trump supporters will dwindle. The key is to get it small enough that he has no chance in 2020.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

36. Bad timing for sure. Should have been saying this two months ago.

But he's absolutely correct. I thought everybody here LOVED Avenatti? Fucker has been a sideshow attraction to all of this and NOTHING has really happened w his case other than a few things falling into place. Woefully not enough.

[Gothmog]

40. Avenatti is not good on policy

Avenatti is good at playing the media but does not understand how Congress or politics works

[lark]

46. Better question - is this the right time for Dems to curl up in a fetal ball and give up?

That's basically what they are doing and Avenatti was right. Dems bring binkies to a gun fight. I'll vote for them every day as this is better than treasonous criminality - but damn, I wish they'd fight. If they held a conference and released all 40,000 pages, it would be legal and I bet you there's dirt in there to be found. I hope I'm wrong and someone hired a detective who could prove Kavanaugh lied under oath in his previous confirmation hearing. I would bet big money they did nothing, but still hoping I'm wrong.

[guillaumeb]

52. An attention seeker who loves his current publicity.

And the Democrats have been making this objection. But the GOP sets the agenda, not the media, and Avenatti should know this.

[brush]

60. Who doesn't know the repugs control all 3 branches now. He's speaking obvious truth to power.

Miquetoast Dem leadership should've been yelling about those withheld documents for weeks through whatever channels available—social media, newspaper ads even, cable if able to get on the shows, hell, even actual physical demonstrations to make the public aware and force the repugs to cough up the docs with the damaging evidence of Kavanaugh's biased decisions.

The public hardly know anything about what's being hidden...and remember, we on DU have know as well but we are not the public.

[guillaumeb]

61. There is no forcing the modern GOP.

They obviously believe in a one party system, with the GOP as that only party.

[brush]

62. Neither you or I know if enough public pressure applied could have delayed the hearings.

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The Dem leadership needs to get out of their offices sometimes and try actual activism, try something different. We know the repugs have the power but they don't want to lose it.

Expose the names of those withholding the docs and their office numbers and their re-election dates—you know, do what can be done within the power we have. Don't just sit and do nothing with the next whole generation of SCOTUS in the balance.

We are too mild-mannered too often. It doesn't work against these crooks.

[guillaumeb]

64. Agreed. Well said. eom

[aikoaiko]

72. I'm certain the party can withstand the mild criticism in a Tweet.

FFS, we can handle criticism.

[YOHABLO]

79. This guy named Bill Burck keeps popping up. He's the alleged gatekeeper of the docs.

I'm wondering what authority he has in withholding, and releasing, said documents.

[ecstatic]

80. The timing is bad only because democrats already failed to strategize and now the hearings

are in progress. Avenatti is absolutely right. It's very frustrating how our leadership gets outmaneuvered at every turn.

[Beartracks]

82. Avenatti aside, it's a valid question.

Why aren't Democrats more pro-active in framing these issues?

Or if they ARE being pro-active, why don't their efforts, in fact, frame the damn issues?



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[Quixote1818]

93. Really? He is 1000000% correct

He isn't bashing Democrats, he is suggesting they should have done better by using the media which he is extremely skilled at. If anyone knows how to use the media to help you win the PR game it's him. Dems need to take his advice in the future or hire him to handle these kinds of things because he is dam good at PR.

[BannonsLiver]

104. When I see people supporting Avenatti for president in 2020

It tells me they have a lack of understanding of politics and their opinion isn't one to be taken seriously.