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Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:37 PM

Big win for Justice Democrats. Congratulations Ayanna Pressley!

What a fantastic candidate and fabulous lady!

Thank you congressman Capuano for 20 years of service to your community.

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Reply Big win for Justice Democrats. Congratulations Ayanna Pressley! (Original post)
Power 2 the People Sep 2018 OP
Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #1
Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #8
Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #21
disillusioned73 Sep 2018 #79
InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #56
sheshe2 Sep 2018 #119
George II Sep 2018 #121
JCanete Sep 2018 #50
oberliner Sep 2018 #71
Hortensis Sep 2018 #80
Me. Sep 2018 #83
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cynatnite Sep 2018 #2
Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #7
George II Sep 2018 #36
DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #42
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KPN Sep 2018 #70
George II Sep 2018 #111
Gothmog Sep 2018 #47
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JHan Sep 2018 #17
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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:38 PM

1. I'll take a DEMOCRAT over any "Justice Democrat" (whatever THAT is)

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:49 PM

8. It's like a Democrat but without the lobbyist influence behind it. So actually just a Democrat.

 

Justice Democrat=Just a Democrat

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:12 PM

21. There will be gnashing of teeth.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:15 AM

79. Oh, the spin is quite entertaining..

 

When will the gnashers wake up.. it is all about policy/ platform..

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:14 AM

56. Yes, just a Democrat... & a Democrat with a winning progressive message! Congrats AP! Awesome win!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #56)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 11:39 PM

119. And a Hillary Supporter!!!!

Bringing Hills progressive platform forward!

Awesome win, I agree. She was not in my district so was not able to vote for her.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #56)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 03:27 PM

121. And Justice Democrats did zero to help her win.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:55 AM

50. She's a Democrat. thats what she is. nt

 

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 06:35 AM

71. Check their website

 

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:28 AM

80. Ayana's a mainstream liberal Democrat, endorsed by

mainstream Democratic power centers. Of course she welcomed the endorsement of Justice Democrats also, but she didn't exactly do it as an outsider candidate who had no real support outside insurgent groups.

She looks like a woman who might just be able to convince a number of their members to move from assuming they have to oppose the Democratic Party to uniting for strength. After all, they voted for her.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #80)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:37 AM

83. Did You KNow She Got Her Start With John Kerry?

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Response to Me. (Reply #83)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:06 PM

102. Yes, I do now. :) Senator Kerry, Capuano, and Pressley

are not exactly strangers. I saw Senator Kerry saying he was glad for her and regretted he couldn't support her during the primary because of his long relationship with his friend Mike Capuano. He will now, of course, even if she is a shoo-in for the GE anyway.


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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:40 PM

2. What are "justice democrats"?

She beat another Dem for a seat that will have no repub opponents.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:47 PM

7. Here's a link cynatnite. It explains who they are and lists their candidates.

All candidates are required to pledge not to take any corporate PAC or corporate lobbyist money.

[link:https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates|]

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 11:00 PM

36. Yes, and even before tonight, only 32% of their endorsees have won.

Remember, the first priority of a candidate/politician is to get elected. If not elected, that person is on the outside looking in.

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Response to George II (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:39 AM

42. Stop raining on the frontlines of history, please. Obviously these folks ALSO aim to get elected.

And 32% is a damn good percentage

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #42)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:17 AM

57. Damn good percentage is right, especially since their progressive message is only startin to get out

and is beginning to resonate with voters.

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Response to George II (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 06:08 AM

70. Just 32%! Just? Lol. 32% is huge.

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Response to KPN (Reply #70)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:38 PM

111. 32% isn't going to get much legislation passed.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:45 AM

47. How did they support this candidate?

This group has no money and did nothing but endorse this candidate. I have been following Ms. Pressley for a long while. She worked for John Kerry


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 05:35 PM

128. Go to the list of candidates on their site, click on the dollar sign image....

...next to any of them, presumably to contribute to that candidate, and you find THIS innocuous statement:

"NOTE: Your contribution will be divided evenly between Raul Grijalva and Justice Democrats."

They're using their endorsed candidates to raise money for themselves.

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Response to George II (Reply #128)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 05:42 PM

129. You got to be kidding

That is really a dumb way of doing things but then again this group spends most of its money on salaries and none on candidates

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #129)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 05:49 PM

130. I don't have the numbers in front of me (I posted them here before but we're away this week)...

I believe that roughly one third of their income goes to Brand New Congress and more than one half goes to BNC and themselves (salaries) combined. Unless they changed recently they give zero to candidates.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:01 AM

77. This just stokes more division in the party, IMO...

I think I'll just call them Democrats.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #77)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 08:08 PM

131. Especially since Justice Democrats do little other than "endorse" candidates and then move on.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:07 PM

17. Their expenditures are interesting. Opensecrets.org is a great site:

I don't know what to make of them tbh. They complained about the DNC spending money on consultants yet much of their income goes to their senior staff and consultants. Their contributions to candidates themselves aren't impressive, it's not very clear. They don't spend a lot of money on advertising which is what PACS usually do.



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Response to JHan (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:25 PM

24. They have a symbiotic relationship with Brand New Congress....trading money back and forth.

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Response to George II (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:37 PM

26. Yes. And since it's Cenk behind it, I expect it to be suspect..

They honestly think Democrats are the biggest threat to the Republic, even in the face of a rise in fascism on the right. They push the narrative that liberals who take money from any other source than the internet ( crowdfunding) are liberals not to be trusted.

Anyone serious about enacting liberal reforms would work with the Democratic Party unless you think Democrats are a bigger threat to the country than Republicans. If they were really serious they would help Dems at all levels where we have atrophied. Instead they have decided Democrats are enemy number one.

Ayanna doesn't even mention them on her site but they want to "take credit" for her win.

so ridiculous.

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Response to JHan (Reply #26)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:39 PM

27. With respect to Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress, as they say...............

...."it's all about the money", from where ever it comes.

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Response to JHan (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:26 AM

41. Seems clear enough which candidates they contribute to:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00630665

No surprise that the largest amount ($5000, or about 14% of total candidate expenditures) went to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (with the next highest recipients, Anthony Clark ($4123), Amy Vilela ($3962), Antoinette Sedillo Lopez ($3081) and Brent Welder ($2969) losing their respective primaries).

But what of Ayanna Pressley? Surely the Justice Democrats must have made a comparable contribution to her, considering how much credit they seem to want for the win, right?

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Response to namahage (Reply #41)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:49 AM

46. Exactly. I did expect them to do this though...

they've been treating their "wins" as scores against the Democratic Party. And since they haven't contributed to Pressley in any significant way, they're just leeching off her win.

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Response to JHan (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:49 AM

48. Again, what did this group do?

They spent no money on this race. How is their endorsement worth anything? Again Ms. Pressley won this race by herself Here is her final ad which does not mention this group




This excellent candidate won on her own

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:57 AM

52. and they aren't even mentioned on her site -_-

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Response to JHan (Reply #52)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:06 AM

54. I notice that also

Exactly what did this group do in the real world?

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #54)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:34 AM

59. .. all phantasmagorical imaginings...but maybe there's a parallel universe out there...

Where Pressley received 5 grand from JD or even 5 bucks.

'cuz it didn't happen in this world.

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Response to JHan (Reply #59)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:38 AM

63. Endorsements without financial support or logistical support do now win races

This candidate had a great GOTV operation and ground game. I do not see any evidence that this justice group helped at all


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #63)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:43 AM

66. She had an excellent ground game indeed,

There's no evidence of JD support which merits this as a "win" for them. No one I know mentioned "Justice Democrats" as a reason or a factor in their support for her.




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Response to JHan (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:05 AM

86. Does the candidate even know that this group was supporting her?

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #86)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:14 AM

89. She met with Alexandria Cortez once..or maybe a few times.

Alexandria endorsed her. As you remarked in another reply, I guess an endorsement constitutes significant "backing" these days, enough to own a "win".

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Response to JHan (Reply #89)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:36 AM

93. Nate does not think that the two races are comparable

From Nate's article https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-ayanna-pressleys-upset-win-in-massachusetts-isnt-really-like-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs/

It wasn’t insider vs. outsider. Pressley has been an at-large city councilor in Boston, the district’s largest city, for nine years. Before that, she worked for 16 years as a congressional aide to the most establishment Democrats imaginable, Joe Kennedy II and John Kerry. She won a rising star award from Emily’s List in 2015. She was no political newbie like Ocasio-Cortez and in fact was a well-credentialed political insider.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #93)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 11:04 AM

94. Nate is correct, that's a great piece.

What stood out for me was the idea that voters wanted a representative with a different "lived" experience.

And yeah, Pressley is no newbie.

Given her cred, her experience, and the fact JD did not support her in any tangible way, them taking credit for this is them leeching off her success which makes the OP offensive.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #63)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 03:09 PM

112. This woman was a HUGE ENDORSEMENT

Ayanna Pressley Just Landed a Huge Endorsement: Maura Healey

Once thought of as kind of a long shot, Ayanna Pressley’s bid for long-term incumbent Michael Capuano’s seat in Congress is looking pretty formidable right about now. Maura Healey, Massachusetts’ influential Attorney General, announced Monday morning that she is backing Pressley in the primary.

“Ayanna isn’t just my City Councilor. She’s not just my partner in government. She’s someone who shares our values, and our priorities, who I’ve depended on for years,” Healey wrote in a statement she shared on Twitter. She added: “Ayanna stood by me and supported me in my first campaign, at a time very few elected leaders were willing to take a chance on an outsider candidate like me.”





https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2018/07/30/ayanna-pressley-maura-healey/

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #112)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 03:35 PM

114. The Mass. AG was indeed a major endorsement

Has anyone found any evidence that justice democrats did anything in this race other than try to claim credit for a race won by the candidate's efforts?

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #114)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 04:42 PM

115. Not that I have heard or seen.

As you stated, nothing on Ayanna's page. I have tried google...nothing, George.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:42 AM

65. Well, they did post this:




With a link for donations to Ayanna--with 50% taken off the top for JD, of course.

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Response to namahage (Reply #65)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:33 PM

110. They're calling her "Justice Democrat Ayanna Pressley"?

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:10 AM

87. Purity of essence.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:23 PM

118. It's a group of Democratic politicians who support the bold idea

of trying to give voters things they might actually want, and not taking corporate donations.

how radical.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:41 PM

3. Someone on CNN was screaming that it spells doom for Dems in November

as if it will be a contest in this district.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:44 PM

5. Weird. It's an overwhelmingly blue district.

Cook's voter index has it as D+34. She's going to coast.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:35 PM

25. Not what that pundit said at all

He said it was representative of the party moving too far left. Cuomo interrupted to say the positions were similar to Capuano, and Van Jones said it was indicative of party energy after Hillary played it too safe and the base was sick about it. There was no discussion about losing the district

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:42 AM

64. The Republicans became more successful messaging further from the center

That's what is happening here - in some very blue districts, establishment candidates have been defeated by younger, lefter, and generally more female candidates. Chasing the center worked after HW Bush, but has mostly gotten us nowhere. The party started moving left again in 2006, and is now lurching in that direction again.

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 04:51 PM

116. Didn't Clinton win in Massachachassets? "Played too safe" and yet won?

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:43 PM

4. I voted for him, but I'll be happy to support her.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:46 PM

6. Go Ayanna!

Very exciting. And I hope we see Michael Capuano again. We are blessed to have so many good people in our party.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:53 PM

10. Where do you hope to see Capuano again? Primarying HER?

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #10)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:56 PM

12. Of course not.

There's a lot of needs for good Democrats in many positions

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:04 PM

15. Name a few where Michael Capuano can fit the need.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:07 PM

16. What's your point?

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:09 PM

18. You said you wanted to see him again. You said there are needs he could fill.

I was asking for more details.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:11 PM

20. He seems like a good guy and I hope we see him again. That's it.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:50 PM

33. Elizabeth Warren may run for president or be in a future Democratic administration

 

Senator Ed Markey is 72. Elizabeth Warren is 69. While Capuano isn't running for governor, we do currently have a Republican governor who will likely be reelected and thus in need of a challenger in 2022.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:52 PM

9. Justice Democrats kicking butt.

 

More and more every day.

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:17 PM

22. They're running under 33% success rate so far this year (25 of 76).......

....what constitutes "kicking butt"?

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Response to George II (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:44 PM

30. That does.

 

That is a 3rd of all of their candidates winning primaries despite being heavily outspent most of the time.

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:46 PM

31. Justice Democrats doesn't spend ANY money on candidates. Of course they'll be "outspent".....

....their biggest recipient of funds is Brand New Congress.

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Response to George II (Reply #31)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 11:02 PM

38. Again making 33% success a big deal.

 

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:11 AM

88. So you support a group giving the bulk of its monies to staffers and consultants?

and the least to actual candidates? They barely spend money on advertising which is what PACs usually do - does that not seem scammy to you?

How do you reconcile this?

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:54 AM

49. Again, what did this group do to help this candidate win?

I have not seen any of her ads or tweets mention justice democrats. This lady ran a great campaign and I have seen no evidence that Justice Democrats played any meaningful role.

I like this candidate and from what I can see she won on her own and not due to a group that has little following and spent no money on this race


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #49)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 06:37 AM

72. Fundraising, social media campaigning

 

That sort of thing.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #72)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:04 AM

85. Is there any evidence of this in the real world?

This group mainly spends its funds on salaries. The candidate has not mentioned this group in any of her posts or ads. Does the candidate even know that this group is supporting her? Does anyone Mass. votes know?

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #85)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:04 PM

100. Great questions. Hopping on her bandwagon doesn't count. nt

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #100)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:07 PM

103. I check the candidate's website and her ads

I have not seen any mention of this group. What did this group do in the real world?

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #103)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:12 PM

105. Exactly. That's why this is so divisive. This candidate was a Democrat

long before Justice Democrats showed up. It's absurd to think they made and promoted her. She is her own person, even a former mainstream Clinton supporter.

Like others have said, her constituents probably don't have a clue what "Justice Democrats" are. So far the main info about Justice Democrats that seems relevant is that they were founded by an ex-Republican (Cenk Uyger) and then received funding from another Republican (Buddy Roemer).

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #49)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:39 PM

109. Another case of a group of person taking credit

For an AA candidate's strong campaign?

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:54 PM

11. Lol, this again. I bet the majority of her voters have no clue who Justice Democrats are. Go find

reference to them on her website.

She was a Hillary surrogate, she was endorsed by the Boston Globe, she has been noted as an up and comer in MA politics for years.

Nice try.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:59 PM

13. +++++ it's so fucking ridiculous.

Ayanna won on her own cred.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:00 PM

14. Also endorsed by our AG Maura Healey.

I have the utmost respect for Healey. No mention of them on her site? Not surprised, they all just want to jump on her win.

Thanks, seaglass.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 11:58 PM

40. 'they all just want to jump on her win'

https://www.facebook.com/ayannapressley2/posts/10155256822351750


"Thrilled and honored to have earned the support of Justice Democrats! Their organization is doing incredible work to strengthen our party. I’m humbled by this endorsement and excited to join a slate of exceptional candidates. #ChangeCantWait"

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Response to melman (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 03:04 AM

67. FB is all you got?

mel

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #67)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 05:49 AM

69. Wasn't there a similar gracious "thank you" response

just last week to a twitter credit grab for the victory of a POC who was a Hillary surrogate? And didn't something similar happen in Georgia a few months ago?

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #69)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 03:53 PM

126. Yes in both cases.

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Response to melman (Reply #40)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 03:35 PM

122. No one was "jumping on her win", they were jumping on the false concept of Pressley....

... being a "Justice Democrat" or that they had anything to do with her historic win. People are lauding her for her win and how she accomplished it.

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Response to George II (Reply #122)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 03:45 PM

125. No one was "jumping on her win"

Uh, yeah...that was my point. The previous post had suggested that's what the Justice Democrats had done.

The clear implication being Ayanna Pressley had no previous connection to them, or was perhaps not even aware of their endorsement.


The Facebook post from Pressley's page, however, shows that to be untrue. Helps to read all the posts.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:47 PM

32. And she was a senior aide to John Kerry.

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Response to George II (Reply #32)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:42 AM

43. Also a Hill supporter as was Abrams and Gillum.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #43)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:36 AM

62. Of course she was a Hillary supporter

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Response to seaglass (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:56 AM

51. I have seen no evidence that this group did anything to help this candidate win in the real world

I have read most of her ads and tweets and I have yet see a mention by her of justice democrats. Again, how did this group help in the real world?

I do like this candidate and I believe that she won on her own


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Response to seaglass (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 06:39 AM

73. Here's their website

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #73)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:01 AM

74. And? n/t

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:09 PM

19. Fantastic news!

Lovely to see some fresh faces!

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:22 PM

23. "Justice Democrats"?

You mean "anti-corporate donation Democrats"?
"Justice" has nothing to do with it, it's inaccurate and divisive.

That said, I agree she was a fantastic candidate and will represent her district well.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:01 AM

53. This lady worked for John Kerry

She is a regular member of the Democratic party.

For example the Mass AG actually did help this candidate as compared to this group that evidently did not do anything in the real world


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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:42 PM

29. "Justice Democrats"? Nah, congratulations and chalk up another win for establishment Democrats.....

....a senior aide to Senator John Kerry and a Clinton surrogate and supporter.

I like her spunk and her even-handed attitude on the issues.

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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:52 PM

34. It seems to be a common theme where others want to take credit for someone ELSE's success.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #34)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:43 AM

44. Yessssssssss...

Posted a thread about that.

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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:35 AM

61. This candidate worked for John Kerry

How much more establishment can you get?

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:53 PM

35. I'm not thrilled with this result.

She will win, I don’t have a doubt but what was the point?

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:44 AM

45. She already did.

It is an uncontested seat.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:22 AM

58. It's called "democracy."

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #58)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:26 AM

75. Yes it is.

It’s also democracy to allow me to not be thrilled with a result.

No need to get yor boxers in a bind.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:46 AM

84. Capuano and Crowley

were good Democrats, but were both somewhat middle of the pack in terms of how liberal their voting record was among Democrats. The point is shifting the caucus a little bit to the left with each individual vote and also making it more diverse.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #84)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:16 AM

90. Not true of Capuano,he was the left most of the MA delegation. This wasn't a shift to the left. n/t

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Response to seaglass (Reply #90)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:34 AM

92. Interesting

this site says that in the Democratic Caucus, Crowley ranked #92 and Capuano #112 in terms of their ideology among Democrats in the House, with #1 being the most liberal (Raul Grijalva) and McGovern as the most liberal in Mass.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2016/house/ideology

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #92)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 11:14 AM

95. This site has him at #22 with number #1 being the most progressive.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #92)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:58 PM

99. That's their methodology which doesn't speak to his record of service.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2018/08/31/mike-capuano-massachusetts-primary

A member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Capuano has been an outspoken critic of Wall Street, of both public and private encroachments on individual privacy, and of overseas military action. He has produced viral moments with his scathing speeches in committee hearings, bucked the Democratic party line to vote against the Iraq War and the No Child Left Behind education bill, and sued both the Bush and Obama administrations over their executive war powers.

Capuano also has advocated for a single-payer health care system in the United States long before it became a mainstream position in the Democratic Party. The congressman also has perfect ratings from pro-choice groups, the NAACP, environmental advocates, LGBTQ-rights groups, and unions.

“He is equally proud of his F rating from the NRA,” Capuano’s campaign website reads.
...
Capuano and Pressley both admit that their voting record in Congress would be very similar, if not virtually the same. But a few policy disagreements have surfaced during their primary race.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 11:01 PM

37. Hell yeah!

We're gonna have some great folks in Congress come 2019... now let's get that blue wave rolling!

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Response to welivetotreadonkings (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 11:31 PM

39. How is she better than Capuano?

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:13 AM

55. She worked for Kerry and is a regular Democrat. No qualifiers needed.

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Response to RelativelyJones (Reply #55)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:34 AM

60. She is a great candidate and won on her own

Justice Democrats spent no money in this race and provided no logistical support. It seems that most of the funds raised by this group goes to salaries.

What did this group do to help this candidate win?


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #60)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 04:27 AM

68. +1

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:37 AM

76. This is a fantastic win!

 

There is a massive shift happening right now & this is just another great win!

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #76)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 05:04 PM

117. "Massive Shift"? In what way? The two have very similar positions on most issues...

It was a good win by Pressley, but let's not make it more than it really was.

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 03:45 PM

124. +1

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #124)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 05:21 PM

127. No mention of "their" candidates in this video who lost...

... and they've been scrubbed from their website. I wonder why?

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:04 AM

78. We lost a great progressive.

 

It’s nice that Presley evelved her position on healthcare in the last two years. She was well to the right of her opponent.

Interesting that the Justice Democrats backed a career politician who recently held views well to the right of her opponent.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211091518

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:28 AM

81. She was a solid Clinton backer, though she was to the right of Clinton on a number of items.

 

Pressley, on the other hand, criticized Sanders’s policy ideas and vision for the country while campaigning for Clinton. As Sanders stumped for universal health care and tuition-free college, Pressley declared at a Clinton campaign press conference in Boston that “plans without price tags are simply pandering.” In a debate hosted by WCVB, Pressley said she only recently began supporting “Medicare for All” because “the world has changed.”

During the 2016 campaign, she also dismissed the effort to overturn the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision, a pivotal court case that opened the floodgates for corporate money into electoral politics. “I cannot think of one instance in my time as a Boston City Councillor when a constituent implored me to make repealing Citizens United a top priority,” she once wrote.


https://theintercept.com/2018/08/18/mike-capuano-ayanna-pressley-massachusetts-primary/

We really lost a great progressive. Capuano has been supporting single payer for over a decade, is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, helped establish the influential Office of Congressional Ethics, and is often the leader in dressing down big banks and other industries taking part in fraud and abuse. A true leftist.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:29 AM

82. The voters in that district have spoken.

Congratulations to the winner.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:32 AM

91. Why Ayanna Pressley's Upset Win In Massachusetts Isn't Really Like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's

Nate has a good analysis of this race https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-ayanna-pressleys-upset-win-in-massachusetts-isnt-really-like-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs/

It didn’t come out of nowhere. Everyone knew this would be a competitive race. The district was publicly polled at least three times (i.e. pollsters thought it worth surveying). Capuano spent more than $1.7 million on his defense, spurred in part by the knowledge that Pressley was deploying $767,000 of her own. Both sides aired television ads. An “upset” it may have been, but it should not have “stunned” anyone who was paying attention.

It wasn’t progressive vs. moderate. Pressley herself said that there was little daylight between her and Capuano on the issues. Capuano has a -.580 DW-Nominate score,1 making him the most liberal Democrat in the Massachusetts delegation and well to the left of Crowley. Meanwhile, more moderate Democrats like Rep. Richard Neal in Massachusetts’s 1st District and Rep. Stephen Lynch in the 8th District won their primaries by 40 and 47 percentage points, respectively. Ideology doesn’t explain Capuano’s loss.

I did not see any mention of justice democrats in this or any other article. What did this group do for this candidate?

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #91)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 11:49 AM

96. If Cenk is connected in ANY way, has to be BAD BAD BAD news.

Will I and you be proven right and soon, of course...will it be too late in some instances, of course.

Hopefully this winner is NOT connected to him and they are once again taking credit for someone else work.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #96)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:20 PM

98. Agreed

I stopped watching TYT and Cenk a long time ago. Cenk hates the Democratic Party and works to undermine the party where possible.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #98)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:32 PM

108. Watch, one of these days a certain group will say something like

"Well we dont agree with rump but the institutions are corrupted and have to be CHANGED"

something like that.

Gonna happen, real bad stuff ahead

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 11:56 AM

97. No she isn't, she is a mainstream Dem

Local pol, Hillary surrogate, started in politics with John Kerry. Uncontested DEMOCRAT district.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:05 PM

101. Huge turnout helped power Ayanna Pressley's victory over Michael Capuano.

I am still waiting for someone to show me what this group did in the real world. The group spent no money and provided no GOTV efforts.

This mainstream Democratic candidate won on her own



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Response to Gothmog (Reply #101)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:15 PM

106. Primaries are important in a true democracy.

Ayanna Pressley won hers. I will repeat one of my many earlier comments. " I will support the winner of the Democratic Primary."

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:07 PM

104. Again?? More divisiveness? I can remember when you questioned

my personal life, yet you are back with this type of thread that only serves to divide. This candidate was a Democrat long before Justice Democrats showed up.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #107)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 03:23 PM

113. ;)

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 03:38 PM

123. John Kerry this morning gave her a ringing endorsement, said she worked for him 10 years

He spoke highly of her today

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Sat Sep 8, 2018, 04:48 PM

132. Kick

Congrats Ms. Pressley.

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