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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBig win for Justice Democrats. Congratulations Ayanna Pressley!
What a fantastic candidate and fabulous lady!
Thank you congressman Capuano for 20 years of service to your community.
Stinky The Clown
(67,697 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Justice Democrat=Just a Democrat
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)When will the gnashers wake up.. it is all about policy/ platform..
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Bringing Hills progressive platform forward!
Awesome win, I agree. She was not in my district so was not able to vote for her.
George II
(67,782 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)mainstream Democratic power centers. Of course she welcomed the endorsement of Justice Democrats also, but she didn't exactly do it as an outsider candidate who had no real support outside insurgent groups.
She looks like a woman who might just be able to convince a number of their members to move from assuming they have to oppose the Democratic Party to uniting for strength. After all, they voted for her.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)are not exactly strangers. I saw Senator Kerry saying he was glad for her and regretted he couldn't support her during the primary because of his long relationship with his friend Mike Capuano. He will now, of course, even if she is a shoo-in for the GE anyway.
Link to tweet
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)She beat another Dem for a seat that will have no repub opponents.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)All candidates are required to pledge not to take any corporate PAC or corporate lobbyist money.
[link:https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates|]
George II
(67,782 posts)Remember, the first priority of a candidate/politician is to get elected. If not elected, that person is on the outside looking in.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)And 32% is a damn good percentage
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)and is beginning to resonate with voters.
KPN
(15,587 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)This group has no money and did nothing but endorse this candidate. I have been following Ms. Pressley for a long while. She worked for John Kerry
Link to tweet
George II
(67,782 posts)...next to any of them, presumably to contribute to that candidate, and you find THIS innocuous statement:
"NOTE: Your contribution will be divided evenly between Raul Grijalva and Justice Democrats."
They're using their endorsed candidates to raise money for themselves.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)That is really a dumb way of doing things but then again this group spends most of its money on salaries and none on candidates
George II
(67,782 posts)I believe that roughly one third of their income goes to Brand New Congress and more than one half goes to BNC and themselves (salaries) combined. Unless they changed recently they give zero to candidates.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I think I'll just call them Democrats.
George II
(67,782 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)I don't know what to make of them tbh. They complained about the DNC spending money on consultants yet much of their income goes to their senior staff and consultants. Their contributions to candidates themselves aren't impressive, it's not very clear. They don't spend a lot of money on advertising which is what PACS usually do.
George II
(67,782 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)They honestly think Democrats are the biggest threat to the Republic, even in the face of a rise in fascism on the right. They push the narrative that liberals who take money from any other source than the internet ( crowdfunding) are liberals not to be trusted.
Anyone serious about enacting liberal reforms would work with the Democratic Party unless you think Democrats are a bigger threat to the country than Republicans. If they were really serious they would help Dems at all levels where we have atrophied. Instead they have decided Democrats are enemy number one.
Ayanna doesn't even mention them on her site but they want to "take credit" for her win.
so ridiculous.
George II
(67,782 posts)...."it's all about the money", from where ever it comes.
namahage
(1,157 posts)No surprise that the largest amount ($5000, or about 14% of total candidate expenditures) went to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (with the next highest recipients, Anthony Clark ($4123), Amy Vilela ($3962), Antoinette Sedillo Lopez ($3081) and Brent Welder ($2969) losing their respective primaries).
But what of Ayanna Pressley? Surely the Justice Democrats must have made a comparable contribution to her, considering how much credit they seem to want for the win, right?
JHan
(10,173 posts)they've been treating their "wins" as scores against the Democratic Party. And since they haven't contributed to Pressley in any significant way, they're just leeching off her win.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)They spent no money on this race. How is their endorsement worth anything? Again Ms. Pressley won this race by herself Here is her final ad which does not mention this group
Link to tweet
This excellent candidate won on her own
JHan
(10,173 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Exactly what did this group do in the real world?
JHan
(10,173 posts)Where Pressley received 5 grand from JD or even 5 bucks.
'cuz it didn't happen in this world.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)This candidate had a great GOTV operation and ground game. I do not see any evidence that this justice group helped at all
Link to tweet
JHan
(10,173 posts)There's no evidence of JD support which merits this as a "win" for them. No one I know mentioned "Justice Democrats" as a reason or a factor in their support for her.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)Alexandria endorsed her. As you remarked in another reply, I guess an endorsement constitutes significant "backing" these days, enough to own a "win".
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)From Nate's article https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-ayanna-pressleys-upset-win-in-massachusetts-isnt-really-like-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs/
JHan
(10,173 posts)What stood out for me was the idea that voters wanted a representative with a different "lived" experience.
And yeah, Pressley is no newbie.
Given her cred, her experience, and the fact JD did not support her in any tangible way, them taking credit for this is them leeching off her success which makes the OP offensive.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Once thought of as kind of a long shot, Ayanna Pressleys bid for long-term incumbent Michael Capuanos seat in Congress is looking pretty formidable right about now. Maura Healey, Massachusetts influential Attorney General, announced Monday morning that she is backing Pressley in the primary.
Ayanna isnt just my City Councilor. Shes not just my partner in government. Shes someone who shares our values, and our priorities, who Ive depended on for years, Healey wrote in a statement she shared on Twitter. She added: Ayanna stood by me and supported me in my first campaign, at a time very few elected leaders were willing to take a chance on an outsider candidate like me.
Link to tweet
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2018/07/30/ayanna-pressley-maura-healey/
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Has anyone found any evidence that justice democrats did anything in this race other than try to claim credit for a race won by the candidate's efforts?
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)As you stated, nothing on Ayanna's page. I have tried google...nothing, George.
namahage
(1,157 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)of trying to give voters things they might actually want, and not taking corporate donations.
how radical.
RandySF
(57,661 posts)as if it will be a contest in this district.
bearsfootball516
(6,369 posts)Cook's voter index has it as D+34. She's going to coast.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)He said it was representative of the party moving too far left. Cuomo interrupted to say the positions were similar to Capuano, and Van Jones said it was indicative of party energy after Hillary played it too safe and the base was sick about it. There was no discussion about losing the district
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,780 posts)That's what is happening here - in some very blue districts, establishment candidates have been defeated by younger, lefter, and generally more female candidates. Chasing the center worked after HW Bush, but has mostly gotten us nowhere. The party started moving left again in 2006, and is now lurching in that direction again.
George II
(67,782 posts)Croney
(4,646 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,897 posts)Very exciting. And I hope we see Michael Capuano again. We are blessed to have so many good people in our party.
Stinky The Clown
(67,697 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,897 posts)There's a lot of needs for good Democrats in many positions
Stinky The Clown
(67,697 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,897 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,697 posts)I was asking for more details.
C_U_L8R
(44,897 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Senator Ed Markey is 72. Elizabeth Warren is 69. While Capuano isn't running for governor, we do currently have a Republican governor who will likely be reelected and thus in need of a challenger in 2022.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)More and more every day.
George II
(67,782 posts)....what constitutes "kicking butt"?
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)That is a 3rd of all of their candidates winning primaries despite being heavily outspent most of the time.
George II
(67,782 posts)....their biggest recipient of funds is Brand New Congress.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)and the least to actual candidates? They barely spend money on advertising which is what PACs usually do - does that not seem scammy to you?
How do you reconcile this?
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)I have not seen any of her ads or tweets mention justice democrats. This lady ran a great campaign and I have seen no evidence that Justice Democrats played any meaningful role.
I like this candidate and from what I can see she won on her own and not due to a group that has little following and spent no money on this race
Link to tweet
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That sort of thing.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)This group mainly spends its funds on salaries. The candidate has not mentioned this group in any of her posts or ads. Does the candidate even know that this group is supporting her? Does anyone Mass. votes know?
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)I have not seen any mention of this group. What did this group do in the real world?
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)long before Justice Democrats showed up. It's absurd to think they made and promoted her. She is her own person, even a former mainstream Clinton supporter.
Like others have said, her constituents probably don't have a clue what "Justice Democrats" are. So far the main info about Justice Democrats that seems relevant is that they were founded by an ex-Republican (Cenk Uyger) and then received funding from another Republican (Buddy Roemer).
mcar
(42,210 posts)For an AA candidate's strong campaign?
seaglass
(8,170 posts)reference to them on her website.
She was a Hillary surrogate, she was endorsed by the Boston Globe, she has been noted as an up and comer in MA politics for years.
Nice try.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Ayanna won on her own cred.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)I have the utmost respect for Healey. No mention of them on her site? Not surprised, they all just want to jump on her win.
Thanks, seaglass.
melman
(7,681 posts)"Thrilled and honored to have earned the support of Justice Democrats! Their organization is doing incredible work to strengthen our party. Im humbled by this endorsement and excited to join a slate of exceptional candidates. #ChangeCantWait"
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)lapucelle
(18,040 posts)just last week to a twitter credit grab for the victory of a POC who was a Hillary surrogate? And didn't something similar happen in Georgia a few months ago?
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)... being a "Justice Democrat" or that they had anything to do with her historic win. People are lauding her for her win and how she accomplished it.
melman
(7,681 posts)Uh, yeah...that was my point. The previous post had suggested that's what the Justice Democrats had done.
The clear implication being Ayanna Pressley had no previous connection to them, or was perhaps not even aware of their endorsement.
The Facebook post from Pressley's page, however, shows that to be untrue. Helps to read all the posts.
George II
(67,782 posts)sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)I have read most of her ads and tweets and I have yet see a mention by her of justice democrats. Again, how did this group help in the real world?
I do like this candidate and I believe that she won on her own
Link to tweet
oberliner
(58,724 posts)seaglass
(8,170 posts)budkin
(6,691 posts)Lovely to see some fresh faces!
SharonClark
(10,005 posts)You mean "anti-corporate donation Democrats"?
"Justice" has nothing to do with it, it's inaccurate and divisive.
That said, I agree she was a fantastic candidate and will represent her district well.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)She is a regular member of the Democratic party.
For example the Mass AG actually did help this candidate as compared to this group that evidently did not do anything in the real world
Link to tweet
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....a senior aide to Senator John Kerry and a Clinton surrogate and supporter.
I like her spunk and her even-handed attitude on the issues.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Posted a thread about that.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)How much more establishment can you get?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)She will win, I dont have a doubt but what was the point?
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)It is an uncontested seat.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Its also democracy to allow me to not be thrilled with a result.
No need to get yor boxers in a bind.
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)were good Democrats, but were both somewhat middle of the pack in terms of how liberal their voting record was among Democrats. The point is shifting the caucus a little bit to the left with each individual vote and also making it more diverse.
seaglass
(8,170 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)this site says that in the Democratic Caucus, Crowley ranked #92 and Capuano #112 in terms of their ideology among Democrats in the House, with #1 being the most liberal (Raul Grijalva) and McGovern as the most liberal in Mass.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2016/house/ideology
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)seaglass
(8,170 posts)A member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Capuano has been an outspoken critic of Wall Street, of both public and private encroachments on individual privacy, and of overseas military action. He has produced viral moments with his scathing speeches in committee hearings, bucked the Democratic party line to vote against the Iraq War and the No Child Left Behind education bill, and sued both the Bush and Obama administrations over their executive war powers.
Capuano also has advocated for a single-payer health care system in the United States long before it became a mainstream position in the Democratic Party. The congressman also has perfect ratings from pro-choice groups, the NAACP, environmental advocates, LGBTQ-rights groups, and unions.
He is equally proud of his F rating from the NRA, Capuanos campaign website reads.
...
Capuano and Pressley both admit that their voting record in Congress would be very similar, if not virtually the same. But a few policy disagreements have surfaced during their primary race.
welivetotreadonkings
(134 posts)We're gonna have some great folks in Congress come 2019... now let's get that blue wave rolling!
Stinky The Clown
(67,697 posts)RelativelyJones
(898 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Justice Democrats spent no money in this race and provided no logistical support. It seems that most of the funds raised by this group goes to salaries.
What did this group do to help this candidate win?
Link to tweet
SkyDancer
(561 posts)There is a massive shift happening right now & this is just another great win!
George II
(67,782 posts)It was a good win by Pressley, but let's not make it more than it really was.
George II
(67,782 posts)... and they've been scrubbed from their website. I wonder why?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Its nice that Presley evelved her position on healthcare in the last two years. She was well to the right of her opponent.
Interesting that the Justice Democrats backed a career politician who recently held views well to the right of her opponent.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211091518
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Pressley, on the other hand, criticized Sanderss policy ideas and vision for the country while campaigning for Clinton. As Sanders stumped for universal health care and tuition-free college, Pressley declared at a Clinton campaign press conference in Boston that plans without price tags are simply pandering. In a debate hosted by WCVB, Pressley said she only recently began supporting Medicare for All because the world has changed.
During the 2016 campaign, she also dismissed the effort to overturn the Supreme Courts Citizens United decision, a pivotal court case that opened the floodgates for corporate money into electoral politics. I cannot think of one instance in my time as a Boston City Councillor when a constituent implored me to make repealing Citizens United a top priority, she once wrote.
https://theintercept.com/2018/08/18/mike-capuano-ayanna-pressley-massachusetts-primary/
We really lost a great progressive. Capuano has been supporting single payer for over a decade, is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, helped establish the influential Office of Congressional Ethics, and is often the leader in dressing down big banks and other industries taking part in fraud and abuse. A true leftist.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Congratulations to the winner.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Nate has a good analysis of this race https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-ayanna-pressleys-upset-win-in-massachusetts-isnt-really-like-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs/
It wasnt progressive vs. moderate. Pressley herself said that there was little daylight between her and Capuano on the issues. Capuano has a -.580 DW-Nominate score,1 making him the most liberal Democrat in the Massachusetts delegation and well to the left of Crowley. Meanwhile, more moderate Democrats like Rep. Richard Neal in Massachusettss 1st District and Rep. Stephen Lynch in the 8th District won their primaries by 40 and 47 percentage points, respectively. Ideology doesnt explain Capuanos loss.
I did not see any mention of justice democrats in this or any other article. What did this group do for this candidate?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)Will I and you be proven right and soon, of course...will it be too late in some instances, of course.
Hopefully this winner is NOT connected to him and they are once again taking credit for someone else work.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)I stopped watching TYT and Cenk a long time ago. Cenk hates the Democratic Party and works to undermine the party where possible.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)"Well we dont agree with rump but the institutions are corrupted and have to be CHANGED"
something like that.
Gonna happen, real bad stuff ahead
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)Local pol, Hillary surrogate, started in politics with John Kerry. Uncontested DEMOCRAT district.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)I am still waiting for someone to show me what this group did in the real world. The group spent no money and provided no GOTV efforts.
This mainstream Democratic candidate won on her own
Link to tweet
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Ayanna Pressley won hers. I will repeat one of my many earlier comments. " I will support the winner of the Democratic Primary."
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)my personal life, yet you are back with this type of thread that only serves to divide. This candidate was a Democrat long before Justice Democrats showed up.
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sheshe2
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wishstar
(5,267 posts)He spoke highly of her today
politicasista
(14,128 posts)Congrats Ms. Pressley.