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Big win for Justice Democrats. Congratulations Ayanna Pressley! (Original Post) Power 2 the People Sep 2018 OP
I'll take a DEMOCRAT over any "Justice Democrat" (whatever THAT is) Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #1
It's like a Democrat but without the lobbyist influence behind it. So actually just a Democrat. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #8
There will be gnashing of teeth. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #21
Oh, the spin is quite entertaining.. disillusioned73 Sep 2018 #79
Yes, just a Democrat... & a Democrat with a winning progressive message! Congrats AP! Awesome win! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #56
And a Hillary Supporter!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2018 #119
And Justice Democrats did zero to help her win. George II Sep 2018 #121
She's a Democrat. thats what she is. nt JCanete Sep 2018 #50
Check their website oberliner Sep 2018 #71
Ayana's a mainstream liberal Democrat, endorsed by Hortensis Sep 2018 #80
Did You KNow She Got Her Start With John Kerry? Me. Sep 2018 #83
Yes, I do now. :) Senator Kerry, Capuano, and Pressley Hortensis Sep 2018 #102
What are "justice democrats"? cynatnite Sep 2018 #2
Here's a link cynatnite. It explains who they are and lists their candidates. Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #7
Yes, and even before tonight, only 32% of their endorsees have won. George II Sep 2018 #36
Stop raining on the frontlines of history, please. Obviously these folks ALSO aim to get elected. DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #42
Damn good percentage is right, especially since their progressive message is only startin to get out InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #57
Just 32%! Just? Lol. 32% is huge. KPN Sep 2018 #70
32% isn't going to get much legislation passed. George II Sep 2018 #111
How did they support this candidate? Gothmog Sep 2018 #47
Go to the list of candidates on their site, click on the dollar sign image.... George II Sep 2018 #128
You got to be kidding Gothmog Sep 2018 #129
I don't have the numbers in front of me (I posted them here before but we're away this week)... George II Sep 2018 #130
This just stokes more division in the party, IMO... cynatnite Sep 2018 #77
Especially since Justice Democrats do little other than "endorse" candidates and then move on. George II Sep 2018 #131
Their expenditures are interesting. Opensecrets.org is a great site: JHan Sep 2018 #17
They have a symbiotic relationship with Brand New Congress....trading money back and forth. George II Sep 2018 #24
Yes. And since it's Cenk behind it, I expect it to be suspect.. JHan Sep 2018 #26
With respect to Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress, as they say............... George II Sep 2018 #27
Seems clear enough which candidates they contribute to: namahage Sep 2018 #41
Exactly. I did expect them to do this though... JHan Sep 2018 #46
Again, what did this group do? Gothmog Sep 2018 #48
and they aren't even mentioned on her site -_- JHan Sep 2018 #52
I notice that also Gothmog Sep 2018 #54
.. all phantasmagorical imaginings...but maybe there's a parallel universe out there... JHan Sep 2018 #59
Endorsements without financial support or logistical support do now win races Gothmog Sep 2018 #63
She had an excellent ground game indeed, JHan Sep 2018 #66
Does the candidate even know that this group was supporting her? Gothmog Sep 2018 #86
She met with Alexandria Cortez once..or maybe a few times. JHan Sep 2018 #89
Nate does not think that the two races are comparable Gothmog Sep 2018 #93
Nate is correct, that's a great piece. JHan Sep 2018 #94
This woman was a HUGE ENDORSEMENT sheshe2 Sep 2018 #112
The Mass. AG was indeed a major endorsement Gothmog Sep 2018 #114
Not that I have heard or seen. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #115
Well, they did post this: namahage Sep 2018 #65
They're calling her "Justice Democrat Ayanna Pressley"? George II Sep 2018 #110
Purity of essence. BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #87
It's a group of Democratic politicians who support the bold idea ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #118
Someone on CNN was screaming that it spells doom for Dems in November RandySF Sep 2018 #3
Weird. It's an overwhelmingly blue district. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #5
Not what that pundit said at all Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #25
The Republicans became more successful messaging further from the center Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2018 #64
Didn't Clinton win in Massachachassets? "Played too safe" and yet won? George II Sep 2018 #116
I voted for him, but I'll be happy to support her. Croney Sep 2018 #4
Go Ayanna! C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #6
Where do you hope to see Capuano again? Primarying HER? Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #10
Of course not. C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #12
Name a few where Michael Capuano can fit the need. Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #15
What's your point? C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #16
You said you wanted to see him again. You said there are needs he could fill. Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #18
He seems like a good guy and I hope we see him again. That's it. C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #20
Elizabeth Warren may run for president or be in a future Democratic administration mythology Sep 2018 #33
Justice Democrats kicking butt. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #9
They're running under 33% success rate so far this year (25 of 76)....... George II Sep 2018 #22
That does. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #30
Justice Democrats doesn't spend ANY money on candidates. Of course they'll be "outspent"..... George II Sep 2018 #31
Again making 33% success a big deal. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #38
So you support a group giving the bulk of its monies to staffers and consultants? JHan Sep 2018 #88
Again, what did this group do to help this candidate win? Gothmog Sep 2018 #49
Fundraising, social media campaigning oberliner Sep 2018 #72
Is there any evidence of this in the real world? Gothmog Sep 2018 #85
Great questions. Hopping on her bandwagon doesn't count. nt R B Garr Sep 2018 #100
I check the candidate's website and her ads Gothmog Sep 2018 #103
Exactly. That's why this is so divisive. This candidate was a Democrat R B Garr Sep 2018 #105
Another case of a group of person taking credit mcar Sep 2018 #109
Lol, this again. I bet the majority of her voters have no clue who Justice Democrats are. Go find seaglass Sep 2018 #11
+++++ it's so fucking ridiculous. JHan Sep 2018 #13
Also endorsed by our AG Maura Healey. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #14
'they all just want to jump on her win' melman Sep 2018 #40
FB is all you got? sheshe2 Sep 2018 #67
Wasn't there a similar gracious "thank you" response lapucelle Sep 2018 #69
Yes in both cases. George II Sep 2018 #126
No one was "jumping on her win", they were jumping on the false concept of Pressley.... George II Sep 2018 #122
No one was "jumping on her win" melman Sep 2018 #125
And she was a senior aide to John Kerry. George II Sep 2018 #32
Also a Hill supporter as was Abrams and Gillum. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #43
Of course she was a Hillary supporter Gothmog Sep 2018 #62
I have seen no evidence that this group did anything to help this candidate win in the real world Gothmog Sep 2018 #51
Here's their website oberliner Sep 2018 #73
And? n/t seaglass Sep 2018 #74
Fantastic news! budkin Sep 2018 #19
"Justice Democrats"? SharonClark Sep 2018 #23
This lady worked for John Kerry Gothmog Sep 2018 #53
K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #28
"Justice Democrats"? Nah, congratulations and chalk up another win for establishment Democrats..... George II Sep 2018 #29
It seems to be a common theme where others want to take credit for someone ELSE's success. NurseJackie Sep 2018 #34
Yessssssssss... sheshe2 Sep 2018 #44
This candidate worked for John Kerry Gothmog Sep 2018 #61
I'm not thrilled with this result. Agschmid Sep 2018 #35
She already did. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #45
It's called "democracy." InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #58
Yes it is. Agschmid Sep 2018 #75
Capuano and Crowley NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #84
Not true of Capuano,he was the left most of the MA delegation. This wasn't a shift to the left. n/t seaglass Sep 2018 #90
Interesting NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #92
This site has him at #22 with number #1 being the most progressive. Agschmid Sep 2018 #95
That's their methodology which doesn't speak to his record of service. seaglass Sep 2018 #99
Hell yeah! welivetotreadonkings Sep 2018 #37
How is she better than Capuano? Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #39
She worked for Kerry and is a regular Democrat. No qualifiers needed. RelativelyJones Sep 2018 #55
She is a great candidate and won on her own Gothmog Sep 2018 #60
+1 RelativelyJones Sep 2018 #68
This is a fantastic win! SkyDancer Sep 2018 #76
"Massive Shift"? In what way? The two have very similar positions on most issues... George II Sep 2018 #117
+1 Go Vols Sep 2018 #124
No mention of "their" candidates in this video who lost... George II Sep 2018 #127
We lost a great progressive. NCTraveler Sep 2018 #78
She was a solid Clinton backer, though she was to the right of Clinton on a number of items. NCTraveler Sep 2018 #81
The voters in that district have spoken. MineralMan Sep 2018 #82
Why Ayanna Pressley's Upset Win In Massachusetts Isn't Really Like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Gothmog Sep 2018 #91
If Cenk is connected in ANY way, has to be BAD BAD BAD news. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #96
Agreed Gothmog Sep 2018 #98
Watch, one of these days a certain group will say something like Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #108
No she isn't, she is a mainstream Dem obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #97
Huge turnout helped power Ayanna Pressley's victory over Michael Capuano. Gothmog Sep 2018 #101
Primaries are important in a true democracy. saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #106
Again?? More divisiveness? I can remember when you questioned R B Garr Sep 2018 #104
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #107
;) sheshe2 Sep 2018 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Sep 2018 #120
John Kerry this morning gave her a ringing endorsement, said she worked for him 10 years wishstar Sep 2018 #123
Kick politicasista Sep 2018 #132
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
8. It's like a Democrat but without the lobbyist influence behind it. So actually just a Democrat.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:49 PM
Sep 2018

Justice Democrat=Just a Democrat

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
79. Oh, the spin is quite entertaining..
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:15 AM
Sep 2018

When will the gnashers wake up.. it is all about policy/ platform..

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
119. And a Hillary Supporter!!!!
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 11:39 PM
Sep 2018

Bringing Hills progressive platform forward!

Awesome win, I agree. She was not in my district so was not able to vote for her.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
80. Ayana's a mainstream liberal Democrat, endorsed by
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:28 AM
Sep 2018

mainstream Democratic power centers. Of course she welcomed the endorsement of Justice Democrats also, but she didn't exactly do it as an outsider candidate who had no real support outside insurgent groups.

She looks like a woman who might just be able to convince a number of their members to move from assuming they have to oppose the Democratic Party to uniting for strength. After all, they voted for her.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
102. Yes, I do now. :) Senator Kerry, Capuano, and Pressley
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:06 PM
Sep 2018

are not exactly strangers. I saw Senator Kerry saying he was glad for her and regretted he couldn't support her during the primary because of his long relationship with his friend Mike Capuano. He will now, of course, even if she is a shoo-in for the GE anyway.


Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
7. Here's a link cynatnite. It explains who they are and lists their candidates.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:47 PM
Sep 2018

All candidates are required to pledge not to take any corporate PAC or corporate lobbyist money.

[link:https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates|]

George II

(67,782 posts)
36. Yes, and even before tonight, only 32% of their endorsees have won.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 11:00 PM
Sep 2018

Remember, the first priority of a candidate/politician is to get elected. If not elected, that person is on the outside looking in.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
42. Stop raining on the frontlines of history, please. Obviously these folks ALSO aim to get elected.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:39 AM
Sep 2018

And 32% is a damn good percentage

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
57. Damn good percentage is right, especially since their progressive message is only startin to get out
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:17 AM
Sep 2018

and is beginning to resonate with voters.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
47. How did they support this candidate?
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:45 AM
Sep 2018

This group has no money and did nothing but endorse this candidate. I have been following Ms. Pressley for a long while. She worked for John Kerry


George II

(67,782 posts)
128. Go to the list of candidates on their site, click on the dollar sign image....
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 05:35 PM
Sep 2018

...next to any of them, presumably to contribute to that candidate, and you find THIS innocuous statement:

"NOTE: Your contribution will be divided evenly between Raul Grijalva and Justice Democrats."

They're using their endorsed candidates to raise money for themselves.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
129. You got to be kidding
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 05:42 PM
Sep 2018

That is really a dumb way of doing things but then again this group spends most of its money on salaries and none on candidates

George II

(67,782 posts)
130. I don't have the numbers in front of me (I posted them here before but we're away this week)...
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 05:49 PM
Sep 2018

I believe that roughly one third of their income goes to Brand New Congress and more than one half goes to BNC and themselves (salaries) combined. Unless they changed recently they give zero to candidates.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
17. Their expenditures are interesting. Opensecrets.org is a great site:
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:07 PM
Sep 2018

I don't know what to make of them tbh. They complained about the DNC spending money on consultants yet much of their income goes to their senior staff and consultants. Their contributions to candidates themselves aren't impressive, it's not very clear. They don't spend a lot of money on advertising which is what PACS usually do.



JHan

(10,173 posts)
26. Yes. And since it's Cenk behind it, I expect it to be suspect..
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:37 PM
Sep 2018

They honestly think Democrats are the biggest threat to the Republic, even in the face of a rise in fascism on the right. They push the narrative that liberals who take money from any other source than the internet ( crowdfunding) are liberals not to be trusted.

Anyone serious about enacting liberal reforms would work with the Democratic Party unless you think Democrats are a bigger threat to the country than Republicans. If they were really serious they would help Dems at all levels where we have atrophied. Instead they have decided Democrats are enemy number one.

Ayanna doesn't even mention them on her site but they want to "take credit" for her win.

so ridiculous.

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. With respect to Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress, as they say...............
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:39 PM
Sep 2018

...."it's all about the money", from where ever it comes.

namahage

(1,157 posts)
41. Seems clear enough which candidates they contribute to:
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:26 AM
Sep 2018
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00630665

No surprise that the largest amount ($5000, or about 14% of total candidate expenditures) went to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (with the next highest recipients, Anthony Clark ($4123), Amy Vilela ($3962), Antoinette Sedillo Lopez ($3081) and Brent Welder ($2969) losing their respective primaries).

But what of Ayanna Pressley? Surely the Justice Democrats must have made a comparable contribution to her, considering how much credit they seem to want for the win, right?

JHan

(10,173 posts)
46. Exactly. I did expect them to do this though...
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:49 AM
Sep 2018

they've been treating their "wins" as scores against the Democratic Party. And since they haven't contributed to Pressley in any significant way, they're just leeching off her win.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
48. Again, what did this group do?
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:49 AM
Sep 2018

They spent no money on this race. How is their endorsement worth anything? Again Ms. Pressley won this race by herself Here is her final ad which does not mention this group




This excellent candidate won on her own

JHan

(10,173 posts)
59. .. all phantasmagorical imaginings...but maybe there's a parallel universe out there...
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:34 AM
Sep 2018

Where Pressley received 5 grand from JD or even 5 bucks.

'cuz it didn't happen in this world.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
63. Endorsements without financial support or logistical support do now win races
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:38 AM
Sep 2018

This candidate had a great GOTV operation and ground game. I do not see any evidence that this justice group helped at all


JHan

(10,173 posts)
66. She had an excellent ground game indeed,
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:43 AM
Sep 2018

There's no evidence of JD support which merits this as a "win" for them. No one I know mentioned "Justice Democrats" as a reason or a factor in their support for her.




JHan

(10,173 posts)
89. She met with Alexandria Cortez once..or maybe a few times.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:14 AM
Sep 2018

Alexandria endorsed her. As you remarked in another reply, I guess an endorsement constitutes significant "backing" these days, enough to own a "win".

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
93. Nate does not think that the two races are comparable
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:36 AM
Sep 2018

From Nate's article https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-ayanna-pressleys-upset-win-in-massachusetts-isnt-really-like-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs/

It wasn’t insider vs. outsider. Pressley has been an at-large city councilor in Boston, the district’s largest city, for nine years. Before that, she worked for 16 years as a congressional aide to the most establishment Democrats imaginable, Joe Kennedy II and John Kerry. She won a rising star award from Emily’s List in 2015. She was no political newbie like Ocasio-Cortez and in fact was a well-credentialed political insider.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
94. Nate is correct, that's a great piece.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 11:04 AM
Sep 2018

What stood out for me was the idea that voters wanted a representative with a different "lived" experience.

And yeah, Pressley is no newbie.

Given her cred, her experience, and the fact JD did not support her in any tangible way, them taking credit for this is them leeching off her success which makes the OP offensive.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
112. This woman was a HUGE ENDORSEMENT
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 03:09 PM
Sep 2018
Ayanna Pressley Just Landed a Huge Endorsement: Maura Healey

Once thought of as kind of a long shot, Ayanna Pressley’s bid for long-term incumbent Michael Capuano’s seat in Congress is looking pretty formidable right about now. Maura Healey, Massachusetts’ influential Attorney General, announced Monday morning that she is backing Pressley in the primary.

“Ayanna isn’t just my City Councilor. She’s not just my partner in government. She’s someone who shares our values, and our priorities, who I’ve depended on for years,” Healey wrote in a statement she shared on Twitter. She added: “Ayanna stood by me and supported me in my first campaign, at a time very few elected leaders were willing to take a chance on an outsider candidate like me.”





https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2018/07/30/ayanna-pressley-maura-healey/

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
114. The Mass. AG was indeed a major endorsement
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 03:35 PM
Sep 2018

Has anyone found any evidence that justice democrats did anything in this race other than try to claim credit for a race won by the candidate's efforts?

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
115. Not that I have heard or seen.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 04:42 PM
Sep 2018

As you stated, nothing on Ayanna's page. I have tried google...nothing, George.

namahage

(1,157 posts)
65. Well, they did post this:
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:42 AM
Sep 2018



With a link for donations to Ayanna--with 50% taken off the top for JD, of course.

ProfessorPlum

(11,252 posts)
118. It's a group of Democratic politicians who support the bold idea
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:23 PM
Sep 2018

of trying to give voters things they might actually want, and not taking corporate donations.

how radical.

RandySF

(57,661 posts)
3. Someone on CNN was screaming that it spells doom for Dems in November
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:41 PM
Sep 2018

as if it will be a contest in this district.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
25. Not what that pundit said at all
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:35 PM
Sep 2018

He said it was representative of the party moving too far left. Cuomo interrupted to say the positions were similar to Capuano, and Van Jones said it was indicative of party energy after Hillary played it too safe and the base was sick about it. There was no discussion about losing the district

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
64. The Republicans became more successful messaging further from the center
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:42 AM
Sep 2018

That's what is happening here - in some very blue districts, establishment candidates have been defeated by younger, lefter, and generally more female candidates. Chasing the center worked after HW Bush, but has mostly gotten us nowhere. The party started moving left again in 2006, and is now lurching in that direction again.

C_U_L8R

(44,897 posts)
6. Go Ayanna!
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:46 PM
Sep 2018

Very exciting. And I hope we see Michael Capuano again. We are blessed to have so many good people in our party.

Stinky The Clown

(67,697 posts)
18. You said you wanted to see him again. You said there are needs he could fill.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:09 PM
Sep 2018

I was asking for more details.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
33. Elizabeth Warren may run for president or be in a future Democratic administration
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:50 PM
Sep 2018

Senator Ed Markey is 72. Elizabeth Warren is 69. While Capuano isn't running for governor, we do currently have a Republican governor who will likely be reelected and thus in need of a challenger in 2022.

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. They're running under 33% success rate so far this year (25 of 76).......
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:17 PM
Sep 2018

....what constitutes "kicking butt"?

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
30. That does.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:44 PM
Sep 2018

That is a 3rd of all of their candidates winning primaries despite being heavily outspent most of the time.

George II

(67,782 posts)
31. Justice Democrats doesn't spend ANY money on candidates. Of course they'll be "outspent".....
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:46 PM
Sep 2018

....their biggest recipient of funds is Brand New Congress.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
88. So you support a group giving the bulk of its monies to staffers and consultants?
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:11 AM
Sep 2018

and the least to actual candidates? They barely spend money on advertising which is what PACs usually do - does that not seem scammy to you?

How do you reconcile this?

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
49. Again, what did this group do to help this candidate win?
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:54 AM
Sep 2018

I have not seen any of her ads or tweets mention justice democrats. This lady ran a great campaign and I have seen no evidence that Justice Democrats played any meaningful role.

I like this candidate and from what I can see she won on her own and not due to a group that has little following and spent no money on this race


Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
85. Is there any evidence of this in the real world?
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:04 AM
Sep 2018

This group mainly spends its funds on salaries. The candidate has not mentioned this group in any of her posts or ads. Does the candidate even know that this group is supporting her? Does anyone Mass. votes know?

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
103. I check the candidate's website and her ads
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:07 PM
Sep 2018

I have not seen any mention of this group. What did this group do in the real world?

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
105. Exactly. That's why this is so divisive. This candidate was a Democrat
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:12 PM
Sep 2018

long before Justice Democrats showed up. It's absurd to think they made and promoted her. She is her own person, even a former mainstream Clinton supporter.

Like others have said, her constituents probably don't have a clue what "Justice Democrats" are. So far the main info about Justice Democrats that seems relevant is that they were founded by an ex-Republican (Cenk Uyger) and then received funding from another Republican (Buddy Roemer).

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
11. Lol, this again. I bet the majority of her voters have no clue who Justice Democrats are. Go find
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:54 PM
Sep 2018

reference to them on her website.

She was a Hillary surrogate, she was endorsed by the Boston Globe, she has been noted as an up and comer in MA politics for years.

Nice try.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
14. Also endorsed by our AG Maura Healey.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:00 PM
Sep 2018

I have the utmost respect for Healey. No mention of them on her site? Not surprised, they all just want to jump on her win.

Thanks, seaglass.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
40. 'they all just want to jump on her win'
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 11:58 PM
Sep 2018
https://www.facebook.com/ayannapressley2/posts/10155256822351750


"Thrilled and honored to have earned the support of Justice Democrats! Their organization is doing incredible work to strengthen our party. I’m humbled by this endorsement and excited to join a slate of exceptional candidates. #ChangeCantWait"

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
69. Wasn't there a similar gracious "thank you" response
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 05:49 AM
Sep 2018

just last week to a twitter credit grab for the victory of a POC who was a Hillary surrogate? And didn't something similar happen in Georgia a few months ago?

George II

(67,782 posts)
122. No one was "jumping on her win", they were jumping on the false concept of Pressley....
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 03:35 PM
Sep 2018

... being a "Justice Democrat" or that they had anything to do with her historic win. People are lauding her for her win and how she accomplished it.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
125. No one was "jumping on her win"
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 03:45 PM
Sep 2018

Uh, yeah...that was my point. The previous post had suggested that's what the Justice Democrats had done.

The clear implication being Ayanna Pressley had no previous connection to them, or was perhaps not even aware of their endorsement.


The Facebook post from Pressley's page, however, shows that to be untrue. Helps to read all the posts.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
51. I have seen no evidence that this group did anything to help this candidate win in the real world
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:56 AM
Sep 2018

I have read most of her ads and tweets and I have yet see a mention by her of justice democrats. Again, how did this group help in the real world?

I do like this candidate and I believe that she won on her own


SharonClark

(10,005 posts)
23. "Justice Democrats"?
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:22 PM
Sep 2018

You mean "anti-corporate donation Democrats"?
"Justice" has nothing to do with it, it's inaccurate and divisive.

That said, I agree she was a fantastic candidate and will represent her district well.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
53. This lady worked for John Kerry
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:01 AM
Sep 2018

She is a regular member of the Democratic party.

For example the Mass AG actually did help this candidate as compared to this group that evidently did not do anything in the real world


George II

(67,782 posts)
29. "Justice Democrats"? Nah, congratulations and chalk up another win for establishment Democrats.....
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:42 PM
Sep 2018

....a senior aide to Senator John Kerry and a Clinton surrogate and supporter.

I like her spunk and her even-handed attitude on the issues.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
75. Yes it is.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:26 AM
Sep 2018

It’s also democracy to allow me to not be thrilled with a result.

No need to get yor boxers in a bind.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
84. Capuano and Crowley
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:46 AM
Sep 2018

were good Democrats, but were both somewhat middle of the pack in terms of how liberal their voting record was among Democrats. The point is shifting the caucus a little bit to the left with each individual vote and also making it more diverse.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
92. Interesting
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:34 AM
Sep 2018

this site says that in the Democratic Caucus, Crowley ranked #92 and Capuano #112 in terms of their ideology among Democrats in the House, with #1 being the most liberal (Raul Grijalva) and McGovern as the most liberal in Mass.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2016/house/ideology

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
99. That's their methodology which doesn't speak to his record of service.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:58 PM
Sep 2018
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2018/08/31/mike-capuano-massachusetts-primary

A member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Capuano has been an outspoken critic of Wall Street, of both public and private encroachments on individual privacy, and of overseas military action. He has produced viral moments with his scathing speeches in committee hearings, bucked the Democratic party line to vote against the Iraq War and the No Child Left Behind education bill, and sued both the Bush and Obama administrations over their executive war powers.

Capuano also has advocated for a single-payer health care system in the United States long before it became a mainstream position in the Democratic Party. The congressman also has perfect ratings from pro-choice groups, the NAACP, environmental advocates, LGBTQ-rights groups, and unions.

“He is equally proud of his F rating from the NRA,” Capuano’s campaign website reads.
...
Capuano and Pressley both admit that their voting record in Congress would be very similar, if not virtually the same. But a few policy disagreements have surfaced during their primary race.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
60. She is a great candidate and won on her own
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:34 AM
Sep 2018

Justice Democrats spent no money in this race and provided no logistical support. It seems that most of the funds raised by this group goes to salaries.

What did this group do to help this candidate win?


George II

(67,782 posts)
117. "Massive Shift"? In what way? The two have very similar positions on most issues...
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 05:04 PM
Sep 2018

It was a good win by Pressley, but let's not make it more than it really was.

George II

(67,782 posts)
127. No mention of "their" candidates in this video who lost...
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 05:21 PM
Sep 2018

... and they've been scrubbed from their website. I wonder why?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
78. We lost a great progressive.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:04 AM
Sep 2018

It’s nice that Presley evelved her position on healthcare in the last two years. She was well to the right of her opponent.

Interesting that the Justice Democrats backed a career politician who recently held views well to the right of her opponent.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211091518

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
81. She was a solid Clinton backer, though she was to the right of Clinton on a number of items.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:28 AM
Sep 2018
Pressley, on the other hand, criticized Sanders’s policy ideas and vision for the country while campaigning for Clinton. As Sanders stumped for universal health care and tuition-free college, Pressley declared at a Clinton campaign press conference in Boston that “plans without price tags are simply pandering.” In a debate hosted by WCVB, Pressley said she only recently began supporting “Medicare for All” because “the world has changed.”

During the 2016 campaign, she also dismissed the effort to overturn the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision, a pivotal court case that opened the floodgates for corporate money into electoral politics. “I cannot think of one instance in my time as a Boston City Councillor when a constituent implored me to make repealing Citizens United a top priority,” she once wrote.


https://theintercept.com/2018/08/18/mike-capuano-ayanna-pressley-massachusetts-primary/

We really lost a great progressive. Capuano has been supporting single payer for over a decade, is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, helped establish the influential Office of Congressional Ethics, and is often the leader in dressing down big banks and other industries taking part in fraud and abuse. A true leftist.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
91. Why Ayanna Pressley's Upset Win In Massachusetts Isn't Really Like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:32 AM
Sep 2018

Nate has a good analysis of this race https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-ayanna-pressleys-upset-win-in-massachusetts-isnt-really-like-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs/

It didn’t come out of nowhere. Everyone knew this would be a competitive race. The district was publicly polled at least three times (i.e. pollsters thought it worth surveying). Capuano spent more than $1.7 million on his defense, spurred in part by the knowledge that Pressley was deploying $767,000 of her own. Both sides aired television ads. An “upset” it may have been, but it should not have “stunned” anyone who was paying attention.

It wasn’t progressive vs. moderate. Pressley herself said that there was little daylight between her and Capuano on the issues. Capuano has a -.580 DW-Nominate score,1 making him the most liberal Democrat in the Massachusetts delegation and well to the left of Crowley. Meanwhile, more moderate Democrats like Rep. Richard Neal in Massachusetts’s 1st District and Rep. Stephen Lynch in the 8th District won their primaries by 40 and 47 percentage points, respectively. Ideology doesn’t explain Capuano’s loss.

I did not see any mention of justice democrats in this or any other article. What did this group do for this candidate?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
96. If Cenk is connected in ANY way, has to be BAD BAD BAD news.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 11:49 AM
Sep 2018

Will I and you be proven right and soon, of course...will it be too late in some instances, of course.

Hopefully this winner is NOT connected to him and they are once again taking credit for someone else work.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
98. Agreed
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:20 PM
Sep 2018

I stopped watching TYT and Cenk a long time ago. Cenk hates the Democratic Party and works to undermine the party where possible.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
108. Watch, one of these days a certain group will say something like
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:32 PM
Sep 2018

"Well we dont agree with rump but the institutions are corrupted and have to be CHANGED"

something like that.

Gonna happen, real bad stuff ahead

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
97. No she isn't, she is a mainstream Dem
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 11:56 AM
Sep 2018

Local pol, Hillary surrogate, started in politics with John Kerry. Uncontested DEMOCRAT district.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
101. Huge turnout helped power Ayanna Pressley's victory over Michael Capuano.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:05 PM
Sep 2018

I am still waiting for someone to show me what this group did in the real world. The group spent no money and provided no GOTV efforts.

This mainstream Democratic candidate won on her own



saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
106. Primaries are important in a true democracy.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:15 PM
Sep 2018

Ayanna Pressley won hers. I will repeat one of my many earlier comments. " I will support the winner of the Democratic Primary."

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
104. Again?? More divisiveness? I can remember when you questioned
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:07 PM
Sep 2018

my personal life, yet you are back with this type of thread that only serves to divide. This candidate was a Democrat long before Justice Democrats showed up.

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wishstar

(5,267 posts)
123. John Kerry this morning gave her a ringing endorsement, said she worked for him 10 years
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 03:38 PM
Sep 2018

He spoke highly of her today

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