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(53,829 posts)n/t
C_U_L8R
(45,404 posts)I've never used the word 'lodestar' in my life - so I know I didn't write that op-ed.
Funtatlaguy
(11,532 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,404 posts)hlthe2b
(105,103 posts)Well, if it is Pence, I guess he gets points for writing it, loses most of them for doing so anonymously, and even more for the self-serving motivations that are likely at least partially in play.
Still, he has a few points earned, I think.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)hlthe2b
(105,103 posts)and is to an entire article that yes includes the tweets. Rawstory is a news aggregator after all:
the embedded link is https://www.rawstory.com/2018/09/word-anonymous-new-york-times-op-ed-may-prove-mike-pence-wrote/#.W5BjyF72xQo.twitter
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Raw Story often takes someones tweets and strings them together - puts on a clickbait headline - and gets people to click on their garbage website.
The totality of what is in the Raw Story "article" is a series of tweets from Dan Bloom.
hlthe2b
(105,103 posts)and includes discussion/content not contained within the tweets--thus an article.
Obviously you have a hangup with Raw story and other news aggregators Fine. I don't necessarily disagree, but get a grip, oberliner. This is hardly something to jump all over me or some other Duer about.
yardwork
(63,417 posts)I read it. It's a bunch of drivel. Self-congratulatory, self-justifying, Republican normalizing, greedy drivel. Full of praise for destruction of the environment, theft of wealth from the people to the very richest, and all the other "good" things the writer praises.
It's impossible for me to describe the nausea I feel at this piece of drivel.
hlthe2b
(105,103 posts)yardwork
(63,417 posts)hlthe2b
(105,103 posts)this and just might be even more convinced they need to vote for Dems in the midterms?
How can anything that shows an emerging consensus that Trump is unfit for the office be unhelpful?
yardwork
(63,417 posts)It's the beginning of the Republican Party distancing themselves from Trump, now that they have everything they wanted.
hlthe2b
(105,103 posts)yardwork
(63,417 posts)hlthe2b
(105,103 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)unblock
(53,917 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's a guy tweeting.
And Pence doesn't write his own speeches. All of the times he is cited in the tweets using the word are from pre-written speeches and statements, not written by him.
unblock
(53,917 posts)And his current speechwriter is new as of last year. So he's used it through more than one speechwriter.
uponit7771
(91,169 posts)... stabbing Red Don in the back wanting to distance himself from the Kremlin KKKlan
unblock
(53,917 posts)Though it's not likely anyone in the White House is anywhere near that clever....
C_U_L8R
(45,404 posts)It's such a glaring identifier - someone actually trying to be anonymous might not use such unique language.
KayF
(1,345 posts)that sources in this White House word their quotes to sound like other people. Insanity.
wishstar
(5,475 posts)Several Trump Admin officials attended or watched the funeral and would have heard that term lodestar, so just because Pence used it in a speech is no proof that he wrote the editorial
GusBob
(7,450 posts)No way.
Someone picked the word up at McCains funeral
In fact McCains funeral caused this
whathehell
(29,537 posts)Not sure where you're getting that one.
GusBob
(7,450 posts)whathehell
(29,537 posts)GusBob
(7,450 posts)Trump goes, Pence gets in
No way they want any part of that
Pence didn't write it anyway
whathehell
(29,537 posts)You know this how?
GusBob
(7,450 posts)With this information, do you honestly believe they would keep it secret?
Just because of one word people are saying Pence
Pence would have gone to Fox News for cover. If it was Pence trying to get the job, that would be a coup.
Gothmog
(152,169 posts)torius
(1,652 posts)dsc
(52,491 posts)Pence can't lose his job.
marybourg
(12,955 posts)that compare anonymous writings to attributed writings.
madinmaryland
(65,081 posts)FUCK PENCE. He needs to be exiled to Russia as quickly as tRump.
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)Pence has his own deep shit regarding his adventures in Guatemala with funding regime change and abuse of office. I wouldn't put it past him to do an "Et tu, Brutus" moment, tho...
Nay
(12,051 posts)proceedings, one of the two ways we can get rid of the orange asshole?? If Pence DID write that, then he's an effin' coward for not doing the one thing he could actually do that would make a difference.
oasis
(51,315 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)NightWatcher
(39,353 posts)Jersey Devil
(10,013 posts)The op ed was well written and anyone who can write that well certainly also knows how to throw in a little hip swivel to throw off the tacklers.
there's been a lot of that going on
oldtime dfl_er
(6,947 posts)I recall someone - was it Bannon? -- saying they often used words and phrases in tweets, memos, etc of other people so that those other people would get fingered for something Bannon (or whoever) said. Anyone else recall this?
Sedona
(3,802 posts)NYT says
"The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. "
Pence would have to be impeached. Trump can't fire him.
GusBob
(7,450 posts)Is Pence such?
Gothmog
(152,169 posts)Sedona
(3,802 posts)malaise
(275,515 posts)Gothmog
(152,169 posts)dchill
(39,761 posts)He should resign.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)then the next in line successor to the POTUS.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I would use words and style associated with others.
enid602
(8,868 posts)Poor Pence. I cant imagine what Trump will do to him once this sets in. I sure hope ole Pence is clean, as Trump will likely air any dirty laundry.