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(53,061 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:31 AM Aug 2012

All in.

No lesser of two evils.

Two dramatically counter visions of America.

This is all out political war.

Will the most powerful government in the world be turned over lock, stock and barrel to an elite group of extremely rich manipulators that have corrupted capitalism and now want to undermine the basic foundations of the modern developed state simply so a privledged few can start adding zeroes to a largess that they will never be able to consume in a hundred lifetimes,


Does the government provide basic services, health, education, safety net and leadership for all its citizens so that the maximum level of opportunity can be spread to the maximum number of citizens.

The differences are wider than the gap of the Grand Canyon.

Any liberal or leftwing Democrat or independent that is not 100% behind the reelection of President Obama is the best friend of the most reactionary national ticket to have run for the Presidency in a hundred years. From today on there is nothing lower than a Naderite (or Stein-ites) in the 2012 election.


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All in. (Original Post) grantcart Aug 2012 OP
kck grantcart Aug 2012 #1
DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #2
thanks Sid grantcart Aug 2012 #16
K&R! frogmarch Aug 2012 #3
well said. n/t librechik Aug 2012 #4
K&R BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #5
Goldwater was painted more effectively and used more anti-commmunist rehtoric but he was more grantcart Aug 2012 #6
Hear Hear, Sir! The Magistrate Aug 2012 #7
good to see you Sir. grantcart Aug 2012 #8
K&R. n/t FSogol Aug 2012 #9
I couldn't be more excited. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #10
You are correct, and I hope people understand this. K&R. Avalux Aug 2012 #11
yes. just yes. cali Aug 2012 #12
thank you Cali grantcart Aug 2012 #14
It is a matter of deeper perspective than ever. Robb Aug 2012 #13
lol grantcart Aug 2012 #15
Kick Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #17
I agree! aikoaiko Aug 2012 #18
absolutely! Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #19


(133,438 posts)
5. K&R
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 01:47 PM
Aug 2012

although I would think the last ideological rethugs were Goldwater & Miller. We seem to keep repeating these weird cycles over and over.

Would love to see a similar outcome (but knowing that won't happen though) -


(53,061 posts)
6. Goldwater was painted more effectively and used more anti-commmunist rehtoric but he was more
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 02:34 PM
Aug 2012

mainstream than these guys, especially on things like abortion, and gay rights.

And Miller? who in the hell remembers Congressman Miller. Goldwater was a very successful small businessman while Romney is a vulture capitalist.

Americans were still somewhat on nerves after a near nuclear war over Cuba and an assassination and did not want to hand the keys of the kingdom to a jingoistic orator, but politically Romney/Ryan are a much more potent policy threat.

We need not a win but a full blown beatdown ala '64

Ruby the Liberal

(26,220 posts)
10. I couldn't be more excited.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:54 PM
Aug 2012

Now all of the LIV who keep voting against their own economic self-interests are about to be SCHOOLED on the competing visions for the economy, the social contract and the role of Government. They can't ignore it like in years past when all they looked at was gay marriage and abortion.

I am thrilled to see this happen in my lifetime. No more church/state bullshit and taking hostages over social issues.

This is going to be the awesome.


(39,665 posts)
13. It is a matter of deeper perspective than ever.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:00 PM
Aug 2012

It is only possible at this point to discuss the "lesser of two evils" paradigm if you are willing to say that about a choice between getting in a cage with a kitten or a tiger.

"But both have clawz!!"


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