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No lesser of two evils.
Two dramatically counter visions of America.
This is all out political war.
Will the most powerful government in the world be turned over lock, stock and barrel to an elite group of extremely rich manipulators that have corrupted capitalism and now want to undermine the basic foundations of the modern developed state simply so a privledged few can start adding zeroes to a largess that they will never be able to consume in a hundred lifetimes,
or
Does the government provide basic services, health, education, safety net and leadership for all its citizens so that the maximum level of opportunity can be spread to the maximum number of citizens.
The differences are wider than the gap of the Grand Canyon.
Any liberal or leftwing Democrat or independent that is not 100% behind the reelection of President Obama is the best friend of the most reactionary national ticket to have run for the Presidency in a hundred years. From today on there is nothing lower than a Naderite (or Stein-ites) in the 2012 election.
Nothing.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
grantcart
(53,061 posts)frogmarch
(12,217 posts)librechik
(30,783 posts)BumRushDaShow
(140,074 posts)although I would think the last ideological rethugs were Goldwater & Miller. We seem to keep repeating these weird cycles over and over.
Would love to see a similar outcome (but knowing that won't happen though) -
grantcart
(53,061 posts)mainstream than these guys, especially on things like abortion, and gay rights.
And Miller? who in the hell remembers Congressman Miller. Goldwater was a very successful small businessman while Romney is a vulture capitalist.
Americans were still somewhat on nerves after a near nuclear war over Cuba and an assassination and did not want to hand the keys of the kingdom to a jingoistic orator, but politically Romney/Ryan are a much more potent policy threat.
We need not a win but a full blown beatdown ala '64
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."
grantcart
(53,061 posts)FSogol
(46,230 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,260 posts)Now all of the LIV who keep voting against their own economic self-interests are about to be SCHOOLED on the competing visions for the economy, the social contract and the role of Government. They can't ignore it like in years past when all they looked at was gay marriage and abortion.
I am thrilled to see this happen in my lifetime. No more church/state bullshit and taking hostages over social issues.
This is going to be the awesome.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)It is only possible at this point to discuss the "lesser of two evils" paradigm if you are willing to say that about a choice between getting in a cage with a kitten or a tiger.
"But both have clawz!!"
K&R.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,260 posts)aikoaiko
(34,201 posts)I don't think we agree on much, but in this we do.