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Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:40 PM

Go ahead, Tell me again how I'm the hysterical one misinterpreting this hand 👌 sign as racist..

Go ahead, Tell me again how I’m the hysterical one misinterpreting this hand 👌 sign as racist...
👌is the updated Nazi salute








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Reply Go ahead, Tell me again how I'm the hysterical one misinterpreting this hand 👌 sign as racist.. (Original post)
kpete Sep 2018 OP
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:44 PM

1. My thoughts to those who had the joy of serving these creatures.

Scum.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:45 PM

2. Recommended.

Hand signs evolve, and sometimes a common sign has a specific meaning for a specific group.

If they act like racists, and speak like racists, and associate with known racists, and support other racists, forgive me if I assume that they are racists.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:50 AM

76. Agreed....

Just look at how the swastika evolved; originally a Sanskrit symbol of well-being.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:48 PM

3. and all this time, I thought dimwit was indicating the size of his penis when he does that sign.

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Response to niyad (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:02 PM

42. Good one!

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Response to niyad (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:04 PM

47. That would explain Trump's anger,

and Melania's bored look.

Poor Melania.

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Response to niyad (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:15 PM

49. Jake Tapper calls that Trump's "pinchy fingers" gesture.

eom

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Response to niyad (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:52 PM

59. lol

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:48 PM

4. They are making trolling great again.

 

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Response to irresistable (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:55 PM

5. I think we are insulting the actual trolls.

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Response to niyad (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:07 PM

15. Really. they're trolling and doing it poorly

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Response to irresistable (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:08 PM

16. What do you mean? I see it as identifying themselves as racist & efforts to make it acceptable. nt

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:30 PM

24. That's the beauty of it

They can openly display their support of white power, but if they get called on it they just say that they are trolling and it's just a joke! Brilliant!

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Response to budkin (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:42 PM

28. Zina Bash openly supporting white power, while sitting directly behind Kavanaugh should disqualify

him. This was not "just trolling". This was a message to white supremacists that "hey, we got this." She flashed that sign for prolonged periods, in awkward positions, at different times for a couple of days. "just trolling"?? - Kavanaugh needs to provide some answers

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #28)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:37 PM

56. It isn't "just" trolling. It is definitely both.

 

No right winger would ever acknowledge it, though.

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Response to budkin (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:33 PM

53. It is horrifying. It is a technique that abusers of all types use.

 

In the past, the same technique has worked with sexual harassment. The excuse that “I was just joking” becomes the fallback position for perpetrators when they’re called out

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Response to irresistable (Reply #53)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 09:41 PM

66. Exactly.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:26 PM

51. Until they get doxxed. Then they make standing in line

at the unemployment office great again.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:55 PM

6. K&R nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:56 PM

7. How long has that been the racist gesture?

Only since Trump have I even noticed anyone use it. As a kid, that used to mean "okay", but somewhere along the line it was replaced by thumbs up (maybe around early Siskel & Ebert days?)

I don't think I use it anymore but can't be sure. It would horrify me if I had inadvertantly used it!

So when (and how?) did they co-opt this gesture?

(If anyone ever co-opts the shrug I'll be SOL)

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Response to AndJusticeForSome (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:05 PM

12. Like alot of signs

Hand signs often are dependent upon the orientation of the hand towards the target. "The finger" is usually on recognized when the back of the hand is facing the target. The "peace" sign is the reverse, with the palm facing the target. Otherwise it tends to mean "two" as in "two beers please". The "Okay" sign is with the "O" facing the target. What you see in these signs is the "W" should be facing the target. It is the "W" that is the point, not the "O".

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:17 PM

18. Ahhh, I see what you mean

The peace sign was a good example.

I just thought Agent Orange was too stupid to know how to make the okay sign. The "Scout's honor" sign is also similar, but with all the fingers together.

So to clarify: Racist gesture = palm facing out to make "W";
90 degree turn toward body = OK

Does 90 degrees more mean "3"? I see people do 3 like that.

Interestingly, the deaf sign for "W" uses 3 different fingers, wonder why they didn't co-opt that one?

ETA: As noted below, the racist gesture also has a "pinching" aspect, whereas "OK" has more of a thumb-wrap.

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Response to AndJusticeForSome (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:29 PM

22. It avoids the O

I was thinking about signaling 3. A bit like ASL, the thumb attempts to completely collapse the "down" fingers.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:42 PM

27. Agreed

The "pinching" seems a significant part.

I'm already averse to that motion just because of how often (continually) Trump does it. Eww.

Should be easy to avoid.

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Response to AndJusticeForSome (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:19 PM

19. I first noticed it in a picture of Steven Miller, both hands flashing signs while buttoning his coat

The most awkward way of buttoning up that I've ever seen. And how about Zina Bash behind Kavanaugh holding the white power hand sign for quite a while in an awkward hand position. She might have meant it to be subtle, but it was noticed as a purposeful signal to Kavanaugh's/Trump's base.

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:44 PM

29. That's weird that she's making it.

She's a Jewish Mexican. You'd think she wouldn't be welcome in white power circles.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:49 PM

34. But Zina Bash's best friend is Stephen Miller who is a Jewish Nazi

Somehow they can live with the contradiction.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #34)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:53 PM

37. Fair point.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 09:43 PM

67. Miller is welcome and he's Jewish.

Greed trumps everything for these people.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #67)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:56 AM

82. Yep, that makes sense.

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Response to AndJusticeForSome (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:27 PM

21. Don't make this "Okay" sign in Germany

American GIs in Germany used to go around signalling"OK" to each other, but then they learned about cultural differences in different countries. In Germany when somebody gives you this "OK" finger sign, they're telling you "you're an asshole." It's the same as when an American gives somebody the finger.

Germans think that most Americans don't know they're being insulted by the "OK" - "You're an asshole" finger sign.

Just sayin'

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:01 PM

40. Same thing in Central America.

I got in big trouble doing that once!

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Response to AndJusticeForSome (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:44 PM

30. Its very confusing, like the green frog

 

I have no idea how these signs, symbols become "owned" by Nazis and other racist's. I have a bad frog beer shirt, with a big green frog giving the finger, a local beer label that's been around for decades. Lately, green frog symbols have been linked to racist's, what's a guy to do, how do we keep up?

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Response to AndJusticeForSome (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:48 PM

57. About 10 seconds

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:57 PM

8. I feel kind of stupid but what is the differnce

between this and the sign for OK? I used to use the OK sign for OK but now I am scared to do it because I do not want to make someone think I am being supremacist and hateful.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:07 PM

14. When it first started out - reportedly as a 4 chan troll, the difference was in the "O"

formation. In okay the fore finger and thumb almost wrap (usually the thumb outside of the fore finger.) With this the finger and the thumb sort of pinch together making a shape that looks more like a child's drawing of a bird's head. That was (reportedly) a big troll of "the libs" to get a reaction.

Since then it appears to have been appropriated by members of some white supremacist groups, like the Proudboys, and others - thrown around more like the gang style 'signs flashing' of the nineties. Some signalling, others, I agree are trolling. In the latter case sometimes it is the okay sign rather than the pinched fingers.

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Response to salin (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:22 PM

20. Thanks for making it clearer.

I still think I will not use it just in case I do it wrong or make someone in my stupid red county think I am on their side.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:44 PM

31. I thought it was a three pointer!,,,,,,,,

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:59 PM

9. Those pacific wedt proudboys sure do like throwing their 'gang' hand sings.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:59 PM

10. K&R, At this point some people are feeling safer by denying that so many people are racist

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:01 PM

11. They're embarrassed to admit they lived their whole lives thinking that shit was over.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:06 PM

13. Go ahead and tell the ADL that they are too stupid to recognize racism

 

Don't mistake bring trolled by people who happen to be racist for literally everything they do being a secret racist code. They are capable of being assholes in multiple different ways.

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Response to mythology (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:29 PM

23. I will ask you again...

When does trolling stop being trolling and start being simply a new sign that enters the lexicon?


Does there have to be some kind of board meeting and vote? A public announcement.

Yes, they are capable of being assholes in different ways, but the fundamental way they are assholes is that they are a racist organization. They know they are, We know they are. They are using the sign to tweak and piss people off. To signal to their supporters that they are intentionally doing it.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:27 AM

79. Right. They've re-purposed the sign with their own meaning just as the did the Pepe the frog...

character.

It evolved in their white supremacist subculture an to continue to deny the obvious or call it just trolling is getting into "head in the sand" territory.

And then there's the three parentheses bracketing of names or words to signify that someone is Jewish—(((John))).

This stuff evolved organically and most people not associated with the racists you don't expect them to know about it but when it's explained and the evidence is there and it keeps getting pointed out, to keep denying it is...

I won't even say it. And then there's google as well.

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Response to mythology (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 09:46 PM

68. ADL published a set of racist hsndsigns. This is one. Check it out:

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Response to mythology (Reply #13)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 12:53 AM

72. ..yeah they just want to make sure we're okay




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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:11 PM

17. black flashing gang signs...white fine people on both sides

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:35 PM

25. 👌 is the "finger" in Portugal and Brazil n/t

Learned that from our Brazilian exchange student.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:35 PM

26. K&R!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:45 PM

32. It's a hard-ass group that names itself after a Disney show tune.

These little "me-me-me" shits are trying to make racism and sexism "cool," as in, "anti-establishment." It's nothing to be very proud of.

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Response to VOX (Reply #32)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:02 AM

77. Apparently the "WP" stands for

"Wimpy putzes," or possibly "We're pathetic." It's a cry for help. I'll give 'em some help all right:

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Response to klook (Reply #77)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:29 AM

80. That particular move might give a PB some neurological problems.

But who would notice?

Apparently, there’s some degree of social “hipness” in (allegedly) being part of an atavistic, alt-right, nihilistic boy’s club.

I can’t think of anything more pathetic at the moment. But give me some time!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:45 PM

33. they think it's funny

and use it to troll... but that doesn't mean they are not racist and simple minded

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:49 PM

35. It's now a racist symbol

And it is being used to promote White Supremacy. And they love the fact that someone giving the OK sign could be mistaken for this racist hand sign. It gives them both deniability and gives them a chance for liberals to see racism where it might not exist.

Trump knows exactly what it means and has used it to give a sign that he supports White Supremacy.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:51 PM

36. I don't think

 

you're hysterical. I like the truth.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:58 PM

38. Next step

Will someone with a tad more time than I have please do the following:

Line up this photo with other white power photos and then with that woman, Bash, behind Kavanaugh.

One after the other after the other.

Then e-mail to as many news sites as you can find. (One after the other after the other.)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:59 PM

39. I interpret that sign to mean....

"I'm an asshole".

Very fitting.........



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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #39)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:03 PM

46. +1 to you and Almighty God

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #39)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 06:17 PM

64. That's Fantastic. And 2012 no less! K&R, nt.

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Response to druidity33 (Reply #64)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 11:34 PM

71. Yes, he or she retweets the good ones when appropriate.

Like many other folks, he was on to tRump a long time ago.

Here's another good one for chuckles:


...........

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #71)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:48 AM

75. He is all-knowing. :) (nt)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:01 PM

41. Maybe they're all divers!

In SCUBA, that's the "ok" gesture (because the "thumbs up" gesture literally means "let's go up" ) ……..

Nah, they're racists.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:02 PM

43. Since it's a co-opting of an existing hand sign

(as illustrated by the fact that there's an emoji of it), there's no way to know whether it's racist or not except by context. I mean, I used to use that hand sign myself back in the day. If it appears in a surprising place, we can't presume it's racist unless we have some independent reason to suspect that the signer is into alt-rightitude.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:03 PM

44. I thought they were just showing the size of their penises with that hand signal.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:03 PM

45. Be seeing you

As prisoners, perhaps?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:07 PM

48. Proud Boys sounds like someone rebranded the Circle Jerk Society.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:17 PM

50. i'd say that's no mistake.

fucking nazis. sitting behind a nominee to the supreme court that's disheartening to the extreme.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:30 PM

52. Rotate

90% and it is American sign language for asshole

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:36 PM

54. Getting ready to have a circle jerk........

Roger Stone is obviously the pivot man!

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Response to Stainless (Reply #54)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:49 PM

58. Win!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 04:36 PM

55. We already know they're racists. It just that they picked up that hand gesture from a troll.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 05:30 PM

60. Stupid sign. It's an "OK" sign? Stupid. Not very imaginative or meaningful. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 05:41 PM

61. They would be kicked out of my bar if I had owned such an establishment!

And I'm not normally one for wasting beer, but they would be walking out wearing their drinks.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 05:42 PM

62. Kid giving this sign at Trump Rally

At the Trump rally with the plaid shirt guy, there was a young boy on the front row that kept giving this sign. I thought it stood of "Q", one of the right wing's current conspiracy theories.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 05:42 PM

63. They're all fucking psycho.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 08:44 PM

65. Back in the day (1968) the pinching one was a sign of a pot smoker

, as in holding a “roach” between the thumb and finger to take a hit.
Nowadays, in relating to Trump, it would be the way someone would hold him to give him a blow job.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 09:53 PM

69. George Takei's response

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #69)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:40 AM

81. +1000

Perfect

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 10:07 PM

70. yes, I found that months ago and posted it on twitter and FB.

Proud Boys.

The one where Gateway Pundit "publisher" and his minion Lucian Wintraub (credentialed for WH press corps by Trump) flash that sign as they pose in the podium of the James Brady Briefing Room really pisses me off.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 01:21 AM

73. Sphincter Boys.....

assholes making asshole signs.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:08 AM

74. They're deliberately trolling us since it has both meanings: OK or white power

Is This an Innocent OK Sign or a White Power Symbol?
https://lifehacker.com/is-this-an-innocent-ok-sign-or-a-white-power-symbol-1825575794

Forget hand gestures in photos. Many of these assholes have advocated for white supremacist policies and been associated with hate groups.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:11 AM

78. From the Hoarse Whisperer

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:19 AM

83. One of the tactics of fascists is appropriating well-known symbols

👌 Is one of them.

As was the Gadsden flag. And even the swastika itself.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #83)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 02:43 PM

85. Correct, the swastika means something very different to Hindus

and people of some other Eastern faiths.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 01:37 PM

84. Pretty much!

It was debated that maybe she had held her hand against her arm, flashing signs, while others said she was Hispanic and of Jewish origin so she couldn't possibly be flashing White supremacist "gang" signs, well this photo seems to be a bit more obvious, don't you think?
Or was she just saying, "Hey i am A-OKAY!" or maybe she was just saying "hi mom!" ?



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