NY-SD18: DSA star Julia Salazar wins the Democratic primary.

[RandySF]

Well....at least my $20 a few months ago didn't go to a losing candidate.

[melman]

1. The people in her district listened to her message and not the smear campaign

Good for them.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

3. Yep. The smear merchants struck out again.

[pnwmom]

7. How is it a smear campaign to point out discrepancies related to birthplace & university education?

https://www.seattlepi.com/news/politics/article/Socialist-faces-incumbent-Democrat-in-NY-Senate-13226143.php

[Hassin Bin Sober]

22. The primary is over! Buckle down and support the duly elected Democratic candidate.

Take that nonsense elsewhere.

[pnwmom]

23. Calling those questions a smear campaign is inaccurate. n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

25. Those "questions" withered under the slightest scrutiny. The primary is over. She is the nominee

Stop bashing the Democratic nominee.

What part of the primary is over do you not understand?

[yardwork]

27. So it turns out that she was born outside the US?

I thought that she later acknowledged that she was in fact born in the US and is not an immigrant.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

29. Wat?

[pnwmom]

32. I haven't said a WORD bashing her. I disputed that the other candidate

was running a smear campaign.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

34. No you are just agreeing with the smear campaign and seeking to tear down a Democrat.

Why?

The primary is over.

[pnwmom]

35. No. I am disputing that the other Democrat was running a smear campaign. n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. That was ambiguous bullshit opposition research at best.

The primary is over. Speak of it no more.

[pnwmom]

39. You should give the same order to the person who posted #3, above. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

40. That guy is a genius. And handsome too.

[Cha]

2. There was No "smear campaign". It's called "Facts"

[R B Garr]

4. Facts from her own family even -- mother and brother. nt

[Cha]

5. Exactly.

I sure as hell don't need anymore gaslighting.. you?

[R B Garr]

6. No, no more gaslighting. And here's hoping her family

can get over the awkwardness.

[JCanete]

12. Well...it was oppo research intended to do harm to her campaign, and some of those "facts" were

flimsy.

So though, were some of Salazar's own claims which she stretched from little tiny elements of truth to disingenuous purpose. Of everything I read, the one thing, if it can be validated, that I found the most troubling is a post she made, not as herself, but with the intention of giving credibility to an argument she was making in which she supposedly claims lifelong Jewish heritage. She did not do that as herself, the candidate, but it does suggest that she is willing to embellish or relate things in a way that she thinks is most politically expedient. That's irritating, and not exactly the things I loved most about Clinton either, from the hot-sauce in her purse, to landing under fire.

Hopefully she doesn't learn the wrong lessons from her victory, or she's going to implode and hurt progressivism in the process.

[JHan]

13. which facts were flimsy.

[R B Garr]

18. lol Clinton. lol hot sauce.

The answer to a candidate lying about where she was born and therefore not an immigrant — bring up Hillary and hot sauce. How desperate. Russia loves you. Hillary was brilliant in that Active Measures movie about how Russia spread propaganda such as yours. She had the most perfect cameos.

[JCanete]

28. Whatever, Garr, I voted for Clinton, but I didn't love everything about her, and I did find

her to be pandering at times, unnecessarily. I think she's a great American though, even if I disagree with some of her political and rhetorical choices. She deserves all the credit in the world for trying to make a big impact on health-care.

There's no question that the right-wing and Russia used everything in their arsenal to take down Clinton. But some of those things never needed to be in their arsenal.

My point was not actually whataboutism was it? I talked about how this could be a real problem for Salazar if this is how she behaves going forward, and how it will hurt us and progressivism. Ah...but Russia thanks me. And people pretend that its the Sanders folks who are thin skinned.

[R B Garr]

30. More nonsense about Clinton folks (Democrats).

Who would think to compare a quip about hot sauce to someone lying about their birthplace/immigrant status while simultaneously trying to stifle any talk that is not fan sanctioned about Sanders. Note that none of this was about Clinton or Sanders, JCanete, until you brought it up.

[JCanete]

31. actually her under fire thing was the thing I think is bigger and more irritating. And I was talking

about pandering for expedience. I don't like it when any on our side do it. I don't particularly like it when some of you have selective opinions about when it matters and when it doesn't either. I think it always matters and always hurts us.

[R B Garr]

33. Another useless swing at Clinton over a trumped up

attack that has nothing to do with lying about where you were born to fake an immigrant status. This is how ingrained the Clinton derangement syndrome is, while simultaneously working to stifle any comparisons to Sanders. What if I brought up the FBI bank fraud investigation and “pandering” when neither Hillary Clinton or Jane Sanders have anything to do with this thread. This is how conditioned people are to attacking Democrats. That’s what I brought up about Russia. They saw this tendency and exploited it.

[JCanete]

37. Yep...that's what I have. I'd venture what I think is a very safe bet that I've said far nicer

things on this board about Clinton than you have ever said about Sanders or any democratic socialist here. I'd also venture that I've been more critical of Sanders on some issues, and Salazar here, than you've ever been of any of those who you think should not be the target of criticism because...Russia. For my part, I'm capable of nuance and at least putting effort into not allowing confirmation bias to cloud my perspective. Can you say the same? Can you think of a time when you've done this? You don't even have to share it with me...just...do some self-reflection.

[R B Garr]

38. Just the fact that you brought up Clinton here just

because you can get away with it shows how bogus your self-review is. Now you’re trying to deny the very essence of what the current so-called “socialist” groups are about. Bashing Democrats isn’t socialism. It’s something else.

This thread isn’t about Clinton.

[pnwmom]

24. Was the point about her not having a degree from Columbia false? I would love to hear

that it was.

[Power 2 the People]

8. Very surprised she won after all of the controversy.

[JonLP24]

9. Her opponent had some controversy of his own

Over real estate donations which seems to matter more to the local voters than DU.

[Power 2 the People]

10. I guess you're right Jon. The people have spoken.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

11. Sounds like her message and positions resonated more

But the constituents of District 18 were apparently untroubled by Salazar’s recent string of bad press. Her victory is yet another indication that the status quo is, on the local level, under serious assault in the Democratic Party. Salazar’s platform was particularly focused on affordable housing and tenants’ rights, issues that resonate with most New Yorkers. She also staked out positions far to the left of her opponent, such as calling for ICE to be abolished, and refused to take corporate money, fueling her campaign with small donations and a fleet of grassroots activists.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/julia-salazar-wins-new-york-723425/

[Blue_Tires]

14. So a few years ago as a college student she's pimping anti-choice and other RW views

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and today she's freaking Mother Jones... That's what I call "available"

I just hope for our sake she isn't talking a good leftist game just to get elected only to go batshit crazy once in office like Tulsi Gabbard...

And for the record, Trump's message "resonated with voters", too...

[dansolo]

16. That is my biggest concern

She seems like an opportunist, jumping on the bandwagon.

[R B Garr]

19. +1, it is attracting opportunists for the very reasons

you’ve stated. Well said.

[JHan]

26. it also shows that the authenticity arguments we heard from some quarters were always nonsense.

[Blue_Tires]

15. So are these DSA folks ever going to, you know, target some deep red or even purple seats

held by the GOP? Or is coastal urban blue all they're good for?

[dansolo]

17. It is easier to get elected in a heavily blue district

Their goal isn't to increase a Democratic majority. They want to have a large enough caucus to hold legislation hostage.

[ProfessorGAC]

20. Learning Their Lessons From The "Freedom" Caucus?

Those are the dumbest people in Congress. Not sure i like the idea of liberals taking a page from their playbook

[MineralMan]

21. The voters in that district have spoken.

That's how it works. Congratulations to the winning candidate!