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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:33 PM Sep 2018

Trump is FUCKED

Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:12 PM - Edit history (1)

When Manafort was caught tampering with witnesses, along with the evidence revealed in the indictments, as well as the indictments of the others who’ve already pled guilty, I knew that Manafort Was Fucked.

Then again, during the Trial when Manafort's defense was focused solely on discrediting Gates, but the documents, with revision history intact, said otherwise, I could affirm how truly fucked Manafort was.

Now, given the others who’ve recently given grand jury testimony and who are cooperating, and given that Manafort is *fully* cooperating, I can conclusively say, Trump is FUCKED.

Who above Manafort would they need? From the evidence already revealed and from Popadopolous’s public statements, it’s safe to say Sessions is fucked without Manafort’s cooperation. The same is likely true for Trump Jr and anyone else who was in the Trump Tower meeting.

Manafort is the money guy. Recently it was discovered that the FBI was investigating suspicious transactions immediately following the Trump Tower meeting. We must also not forget the special private network connection setup between the Trump Organization and the Russian Alpha Bank during the campaign. Manafort can answer all the unanswered questions surrounding these transfers of money and private network connections to Russian banks. And ultimately, as Trump inadvertently admitted, Manafort can implicate Trump in all of it, to the very level of Trump committing Treason.

Dems will take the House back. That means when all this comes out, Trump *will* face impeachment. The only question remains is are there enough GOP Senators who will vote to convict. I suspect that the evidence will be damning enough and Mueller’s report will be convincing to the point that it would be political suicide for those Senators not to convict.

Trump. Is. Fucked.

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Trump is FUCKED (Original Post) berni_mccoy Sep 2018 OP
Reads better than an episode of Law and Order...based on a true story, and the asiliveandbreathe Sep 2018 #1
BLOTUS is fucked. Damn, this gives me goosebumps! PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #2
well there is this one: ginnyinWI Sep 2018 #29
Or this one: lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #40
Also this... Hekate Sep 2018 #76
How about a champagne similie? brush Sep 2018 #96
Trump will resign...citing it's all the Dems fault.. HipChick Sep 2018 #3
It is just a question of when will he throw in the towel. Grammy23 Sep 2018 #6
There will be leaks this evening... HipChick Sep 2018 #9
Far more likely? Moostache Sep 2018 #12
Now you've given me an image Grammy23 Sep 2018 #23
IF he does resign Scarsdale Sep 2018 #34
I suspect he will amp up the lying on Twitter. ginnyinWI Sep 2018 #30
Spinning in circles lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #41
I wish I could see that. I just don't think he's capable of admitting defeat. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2018 #64
He could just declare bankruptcy and walk away leaving others holding the bag. He's done that... Hekate Sep 2018 #77
You make an excellent point. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2018 #88
Many on MSNBC think he's particularly dangerous now. Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #91
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2018 #4
As long as 33% of the country is willing to overlook TREASON by any Republican Mr. Ected Sep 2018 #5
It is going to take YEARS to unwind the damage Moostache Sep 2018 #13
More like decades. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #57
Well, Pence sure isn't going to repair the damage radical noodle Sep 2018 #98
33% is not a majority, despite what the media want you to think. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #42
Doesn't depend on the Independents? olegramps Sep 2018 #47
Independent support is at 31% - Trump has already lost them. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #49
Deep breath, knock wood. But AG Sessions? How about VP Pence? Hortensis Sep 2018 #7
Mueller's best weapon: Silence. berni_mccoy Sep 2018 #8
Hmmm.. ScratchCat Sep 2018 #11
Yep! FakeNoose Sep 2018 #58
Pence is that most useful of people to the new billionaire class, Hortensis Sep 2018 #75
Fascinating line of thinking, Hortensis. I SO want Pence gone, though. Hekate Sep 2018 #79
Perfectly stated. The question, of course, is how badly Hortensis Sep 2018 #81
Very badly, I hope. Mueller follows the money trail, and where there are Kochs there is money.nt Hekate Sep 2018 #83
Hadn't thought of that, but of course. Hortensis Sep 2018 #84
Manaflip can nail Keebler and Mike Penis, bigly lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #43
Love Manaflip! Who's keebler? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #66
Keebler lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #68
Duh Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #71
I couldn't be happier to see Trump in an orange jump suit, but yes Pence. He's next in the line-up Fla Dem Sep 2018 #55
Well, if my dreams come true and we take back the House, Paul Ryan is nowhere... Hekate Sep 2018 #82
Yes, there is the Dems taking back the House to consider. nt Fla Dem Sep 2018 #86
Yup. And polls say control of the senate is in play! Hortensis Sep 2018 #97
It doesn't matter. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #99
I read somewhere that Pence GetRidOfThem Sep 2018 #93
Yes, and like Florence, it's "big and tremendously wet" Mrs. Overall Sep 2018 #10
Big and remendously wet, like the load in the Presidential Pants. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #44
I believe we will take the Senate, too. nt Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #14
Even if that happens, we won't take 2/3rds of it.... berni_mccoy Sep 2018 #15
We would get 2/3 of H2O Man Sep 2018 #16
Are you saying 2/3 will convict or berni_mccoy Sep 2018 #20
To convict. H2O Man Sep 2018 #24
Thoughts that what you meant... and yes, I agree. berni_mccoy Sep 2018 #27
I've never liked Graham. H2O Man Sep 2018 #31
I think Graham has been Kompromised. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #45
Graham is a two-bit little kiss ass twit. Some gal should slap him into yesterday. olegramps Sep 2018 #50
Some gal should slap him into yesterday. blaze Sep 2018 #73
They didn't have 2/3 when Nixon faced impeachment NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #51
If 2/3rds is close, some republicons might jump empedocles Sep 2018 #60
.... let us pray. 3Hotdogs Sep 2018 #17
Need to remove both DT and Pence and make sure to take both the House and Senate. LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #18
Pence is FUCKED Liberalagogo Sep 2018 #85
I hope so much so that the insects who voted for him, Volaris Sep 2018 #19
I love your post, but Ferrets are Cool Sep 2018 #21
I understand that sentiment. However, look at how damning the evidence has been. berni_mccoy Sep 2018 #25
Shitler, here's where you get off asshole! workinclasszero Sep 2018 #22
I hope so..nt helpisontheway Sep 2018 #26
Judgeships nominated by an illegitimate president should become null and open again. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #28
This x10,000x bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #32
GOPee Senators will kill before allowing Cheeto's removal to go forward - not matter WHAT emerges sandensea Sep 2018 #33
Please make it a quickie lame54 Sep 2018 #35
Trumpfuck Blue Owl Sep 2018 #36
Yes he is...And their wretched party is also SHRED Sep 2018 #37
"The only question remains is are there enough GOP Senators who will vote to convict" Javaman Sep 2018 #38
Well and truly. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #39
And try Putin in absentia while they're at it world wide wally Sep 2018 #46
I wonder matt819 Sep 2018 #48
Republicons no longer care. They got everything they wanted from onit2day Sep 2018 #52
My guess is that the Repubs will vote to impeach so that they can install Pence Dopers_Greed Sep 2018 #53
I've had the same thought too, but not Pence... Ryan. berni_mccoy Sep 2018 #54
I don't know if there is enough time to get Ryan in Dopers_Greed Sep 2018 #80
Pence cannot win if he runs in 2020. INdemo Sep 2018 #61
Can't asshole sign a wine list and be rid of all this annoying shit? thegoose Sep 2018 #56
This is exciting!!!! C Moon Sep 2018 #59
Not if Manafort is going to cooperate regarding his money fraud. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #62
Can't happen soon enough to suit me. (nt) Paladin Sep 2018 #63
Great post! What do you mean..."Sessions is Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #65
Sessions perjured himself to the Senate berni_mccoy Sep 2018 #69
Thanks Berni! You know there's too much dirt Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #70
I only mentioned Sessions because taking him down doesn't require Manafort... berni_mccoy Sep 2018 #74
👍 Unrepentant Fenian Sep 2018 #67
Through difficult GOVT efforts, if we take back congress, tRump is fucked. ffr Sep 2018 #72
Indeed, Trump is Fucked. sarcasmo Sep 2018 #78
I love the Title of your post sellitman Sep 2018 #87
I agree with all of your points except the last jimlup Sep 2018 #89
I'm a skeptic - I'll believe it when DFT is dressed in orange RainCaster Sep 2018 #90
he may not get the f--king that you might think nvme Sep 2018 #92
Waiting for many more duforsure Sep 2018 #94
WHAT THE FUCK IS IN HIS TAXES??? pansypoo53219 Sep 2018 #95
For openers, probably write offs for loans owed to Russians Jersey Devil Sep 2018 #103
deep debt to russia. he knew he had to hide. MOB SHIT TOO! pansypoo53219 Sep 2018 #104
They shouldn't impeach him ut oh Sep 2018 #100
Dont get me wrong, this thrills me but I have a question. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #101
Kickin' with Faux pas Sep 2018 #102
Until Trump is fucked, he is not fucked. elocs Sep 2018 #105

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
1. Reads better than an episode of Law and Order...based on a true story, and the
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:37 PM
Sep 2018

names have NOT been changed...they are ALL effin' guilty...

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
2. BLOTUS is fucked. Damn, this gives me goosebumps!
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:40 PM
Sep 2018

We need a champagne smilie! Seriously, how can we get one?

K&R

brush

(53,740 posts)
96. How about a champagne similie?
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 08:36 AM
Sep 2018

Manafort's cooperation is shaking up the trump campaign ilike a New Year's eve reveller shaking up a bottle of champagne—they both eventually pop and spew.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
6. It is just a question of when will he throw in the towel.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:47 PM
Sep 2018

I hope the leakers at the White House spill the beans on the chaos going on at the White House right now as they scramble to come up with explanations/excuses. This is too delicious to have to wait for another book to come out. We wanna know now if tRump has pooped his pants yet.

Or if his head exploded all over the Resolute Desk.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
12. Far more likely?
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:12 PM
Sep 2018

Trump is taking the poop from his pants and smearing it all over the Resolute desk...or flinging it at the walls and doors and anyone who enters the Oval Office.

Once he is removed, the clean-up of the Oval Office is going to be a major renovation project for sure...

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
34. IF he does resign
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:58 PM
Sep 2018

and seeing how much he LOVES to see himself on TV and in all the newspapers it is iffy, will he STILL be charged with any crimes? He should be, certainly, but WILL he be? Still can not save the "kids" from their misdeeds.

Hekate

(90,550 posts)
77. He could just declare bankruptcy and walk away leaving others holding the bag. He's done that...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:43 PM
Sep 2018

...a lot.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
5. As long as 33% of the country is willing to overlook TREASON by any Republican
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:45 PM
Sep 2018

Our country will remain FUCKED.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
13. It is going to take YEARS to unwind the damage
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:13 PM
Sep 2018

But the longer he stays in office, the more damage he inflicts, so best to rip off the band-aid and get started ASAP!

radical noodle

(7,997 posts)
98. Well, Pence sure isn't going to repair the damage
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:54 AM
Sep 2018

He understands the process of governing and can easily make things worse.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
42. 33% is not a majority, despite what the media want you to think.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:21 PM
Sep 2018

As long as only 33% are full of shit, we can survive.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
47. Doesn't depend on the Independents?
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:35 PM
Sep 2018

I know that the Republican vote is solid and unwavering at this point and doubt that anything could change it short of child molestation. The Democrats are far less solid in their support, so it can be really dependent on the Independents. I am hoping that the Dems will show up. They sure haven't in most non-presidential off year elections.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
49. Independent support is at 31% - Trump has already lost them.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:37 PM
Sep 2018

And Dems will show up. We are effing pissed, as every recent poll shows.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Deep breath, knock wood. But AG Sessions? How about VP Pence?
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:49 PM
Sep 2018

The WaPo's article just now doesn't mention Pence, but Manafort was heavily involved in helping Trump accept him as VP. I don't believe for a minute that Manafort chose him; was anyone else involved outside family/campaign staff? Koch agents?

In any case, Pence was there during the Trump-Manafort-Kremlin mess. Will Manafort's testimony support Pence's plausible deniability for everything and anything?

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
8. Mueller's best weapon: Silence.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:54 PM
Sep 2018

Flynn’s cooperation will take down Pence. Pence was picked by Manafort yes, but why? So Pence could coordinate the other half of the deal with Russia through Flynn. Flynn was caught lying to investigators. Lying about communications with Russia about dropping sanctions. Orchestrated by Pence who was in charge of the Transition team.

There’s a reason why Flynn’s sentencing has been delayed. And we have heard absolutely nothing about this part of the investigation. The shit is about to hit the fan.

ScratchCat

(1,977 posts)
11. Hmmm..
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:00 PM
Sep 2018

I sure hope you are right about that. Sounds very possible. People are forgetting about Flynn.

FakeNoose

(32,577 posts)
58. Yep!
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:02 PM
Sep 2018

Mueller has been playing this like a pro. He is a pro!
Also I think he's getting under-the-table cooperation from Sessions.

When this is all over, I only want one thing: I want to see the full, un-redacted Steele dossier.
Is that too much to ask?



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
75. Pence is that most useful of people to the new billionaire class,
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:31 PM
Sep 2018

a member of the Christian right and a far-right authoritarian conservative whose ideology combines service to god through the monied classes. The latter didn't choose Trump, but if he became president he would almost certainly be succeeded by his vice president.

Pence already had a solid relationship with the Kochs, who already were considering running him for president one of these times.

We've always wondered WHY a governor whose reelection was endangered but far from lost would become Trump's VP when, on the face of it, it promised to leave him humiliated and unemployed, and his reputation destroyed in Trump's dumpster fires.

I think Pence met with people and agreed to run, but what he was promised by whom...?

Except that a how-level hired man, way below Pence's stature btw, didn't choose Trump's VP and make him an offer more attractive than being reelected as Indiana's governor. I break down at that idea. What would Pence do 4 months later after they lost?

Putin making him an offer he too attractive to refuse seems very unlikely also. Pence had people who control half the wealth in America behind him in the Koch alliance. Why commit what is commonly called treason when undoubtedly at least one of his meetings to discuss his future was with his own American patrons?

This is mostly speculation, of course, but great wealth means great power. The Koch alliance had to decide whether to invest in electing Trump, and It seems very likely that their own information sources had discovered early on that Putin was interfering to cause as much trouble as possible for the Democrats who posed a grave threat to his personal and hegemonic plans. Was there any coordination of interests, perhaps through very careful cutouts?

And that's where I leave off speculating. Except to point out that Hillary was right long before about a giant right wing conspiracy. Scalia spoke at Koch etcetera events openly now and then, but it seems very plausible that conspiracy was behind many of those trips Scalia took to secret gatherings like the one he died at also.

Oh, forgot to toss in: Once Trump's initial cabinet was installed, a "designated survivor" event would have very likely left a Koch ally as the survivor, that's how many cabinet members had significant associations with them. #2 Ryan, #3 Hatch, #4 Tillerson, others, and of course #1.


Hekate

(90,550 posts)
79. Fascinating line of thinking, Hortensis. I SO want Pence gone, though.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:51 PM
Sep 2018

I just figure Mueller keeps pulling threads, and at least one is going to be tied to Pence's sweater.

Fla Dem

(23,585 posts)
55. I couldn't be happier to see Trump in an orange jump suit, but yes Pence. He's next in the line-up
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:50 PM
Sep 2018

Is he any better than Trump? Maybe just a little more rational, but more of a RW ideologue. 2 more years of Pence would it be any better? But let's say Pence knows they've got dirt on him too so he refuses to step up to the Presidency and in fact resigns. Next up is Paulie Ryan, Speaker of the House. I really don't see anything improving until 2021, even if we take the House in November..

Hekate

(90,550 posts)
82. Well, if my dreams come true and we take back the House, Paul Ryan is nowhere...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:57 PM
Sep 2018

...literally and figuratively, given that he is retiring to count his money.

I don't know who's next up to be GOP Speaker, but it won't matter if we have a Democratic Speaker of the House.

The timeline is all -- no matter how the election turns out, the GOP rules the House until January.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
97. Yup. And polls say control of the senate is in play!
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 09:36 AM
Sep 2018

The Republicans have to keep control of the senate to continue stacking the courts.

But of course this is much bigger than just who's in national office now, including Trump.

A huge goal behind the "Article V" constitutional convention movement, being systematically developed by ALEC and other right wing groups, is, of course, to repeal direct election of senators. They would once again be appointed by mostly business-dominated power groups at the state level, a huge shift of power to the few.

It's unclear that any one group would be able to control what came out of such a convention, though. Right-wing billionaires, religious right groups, and white nationalists/social conservatives all intend to prevail. SCOTUS does not have the power, of course, to rule any outcomes of a constitutional convention unconstitutional, no matter how extreme or bizarre. It would be the new constitution.

They claim to have 28 of the 34 states needed to call the convention. On the plus side, just this summer North Carolina rejected joining this "convention of states." They'll try again in 2019.

As said, this threat is from over for the next few decades. Unless it turns out in retrospect that we are leaving the conservative era that began in the late 1970s and entering a new liberal one.

Voltaire2

(12,957 posts)
99. It doesn't matter.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:55 AM
Sep 2018

The disaster of a Trump removal will knock the Republican Party down at least for an election or two.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
20. Are you saying 2/3 will convict or
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:36 PM
Sep 2018

we will win 2/3 of the senate this election (which I don't believe is possible).

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
24. To convict.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:40 PM
Sep 2018

With the pace of information being released, along with Mr. Mueller's report being issued, there will be more than 2/3 who would convict. However, as that approaches, Trump will resign -- to spend more time with Ivanka -- as he is a cowardly pup. His past record in court cases follow a similar path: he makes a lot of threatening noise, then backs down with his tail between his legs. Indeed, there is nothing else between his legs.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
27. Thoughts that what you meant... and yes, I agree.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:44 PM
Sep 2018

I believe the evidence and the case are so damning that we'll get enough GOP to convict... still, I have been surprised by the complacency of some Senators, especially Graham.

Keep in mind, if impeachment comes, we'll lose some of the Senators who would likely convict (Flake, Corker).

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
31. I've never liked Graham.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:53 PM
Sep 2018

However, I believe that in this instance, he has been tasked with trying to stabilize the unstable Trump, by saying supportive things about him publicly. This allows him to exercise more influence -- at least in theory -- in a dangerous time for democracy. I believed that to be true even before Woodward's book came out; the book provides information that helps build a foundation for that belief. I'm not expressing agreement with what he is attempting, but I understand why he has suddenly started kissing Trump's fat ass.

blaze

(6,344 posts)
73. Some gal should slap him into yesterday.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:53 PM
Sep 2018


I know I shouldn't laugh at that. I do not approve of violence.

But still.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
51. They didn't have 2/3 when Nixon faced impeachment
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018

Let's say that Democrats pull off a miracle and win 51 seats in the Senate, in addition to taking the House by at least 10 or more seats.

They hold hearings and morons like Don Jr, Eric Trump, Jared, etc melt under the pressure of testimony and either make major gaffes and/or stab each other in the back.

Public support for Trump drops further - independents unite against him and even some GOP support peels away. A few GOP members of Congress are more openly critical of Donny Dollhands as well.

Mueller then delivers his first report to Congress detailing multiple charges of Obstruction of Justice and Witness Tampering against Trump and also Perjury and Conspiracy against several below him.

Impeachment hearings commence and more information comes to light causing more Republicans to turn against Trump.

Trump tries pardoning himself of any and all crimes, but Mueller (or somebody in Congress) sues to block and Trump loses SCOTUS decision and he cannot pardon himself. Support plummets for Trump...

LiberalFighter

(50,779 posts)
18. Need to remove both DT and Pence and make sure to take both the House and Senate.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:30 PM
Sep 2018

The scenario that might work the best after this is for Pelosi to resign as Speaker with Adam Schiff becoming Speaker and next in line of succession following Pence's removal too. Then Pelosi reinstalled as Speaker. But I don't know how Nancy P would feel about whether she be Prez.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
19. I hope so much so that the insects who voted for him,
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:34 PM
Sep 2018

Crawl back under their rocks for 50 years so we can get some real work done and bring this damn nation ( and the world that follows our lead) FINALLY into the 21st century.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
21. I love your post, but
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:36 PM
Sep 2018

to blindly believe that they Democrats will push for impeachment is not historically based. How else is the phrase "keep our powder dry" in our lexicon?

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
25. I understand that sentiment. However, look at how damning the evidence has been.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:41 PM
Sep 2018

Manafort is pleading to some huge crimes and giving the highest level of cooperation. Imagine what crimes are worse than that that they need his cooperation for. Now imagine what kind of report that would look like going to Congress. If the Dems have control, there is no way they will not impeach.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
28. Judgeships nominated by an illegitimate president should become null and open again.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:48 PM
Sep 2018

It may require legislation from Democratic control of both chambers and the Presidency.

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
32. This x10,000x
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:56 PM
Sep 2018

All actions since the illegitimacy began deserve a thorough review, especially if the Insane Congress proves to be tainted with illegitimacy too. A regular Congress could review, revote, confirm or deny. But something should be done to heal the wounds of illegitimacy.

sandensea

(21,596 posts)
33. GOPee Senators will kill before allowing Cheeto's removal to go forward - not matter WHAT emerges
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:58 PM
Sep 2018

But if Democrats regain control of both (even just one) house, the Cheeto regime will simply become untenable.

At that point, I wouldn't put it past some Republican to poison Cheeto - in hopes that a Pence regime will "appear" more presidential and legitimate (with Big Media'a cooperation, of course).

Javaman

(62,500 posts)
38. "The only question remains is are there enough GOP Senators who will vote to convict"
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:15 PM
Sep 2018

and that is the million dollar question but not for obvious reasons.

I believe many are tied up in this fucked up mess as well.

if they are, will they even be allowed to vote?

this will be interesting.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
48. I wonder
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:37 PM
Sep 2018

With this plea and cooperation in the bag, I wonder if the time is now right for subpoenas for Sessions, Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka, and Jared? After all, who's left?

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
52. Republicons no longer care. They got everything they wanted from
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:44 PM
Sep 2018

Trump already. 2 SC picks, Two massive tax breaks, deregulation of coal, etc. This PINO replaced the republicon party which should now be called Trumplicons ...a cult of sociopaths. The damage done proves elections have consequences which are hard to correct

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
53. My guess is that the Repubs will vote to impeach so that they can install Pence
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:44 PM
Sep 2018

Based on where we are now, Trump will likely lose if he runs in 2020.

I think that Pence could potentially win, and if he takes over after these midterms, he'd be able to serve until 2028.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
54. I've had the same thought too, but not Pence... Ryan.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:49 PM
Sep 2018

Repubs will want to have a Repub president so if they see impeachment is imminent, they would get Ryan in there now vs. a Democratic Speaker of the House after the new Congress is seated.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
80. I don't know if there is enough time to get Ryan in
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:52 PM
Sep 2018

He's retiring at the end of the year.

I doubt both Trump and Pence could be removed by then, even if impeachment started full-steam tomorrow.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
61. Pence cannot win if he runs in 2020.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:10 PM
Sep 2018

He failed miserably as a Governor in Indiana and would not have won a second term.
Many of Pences programs were canceled out after he took the VP job and the new IN governor took over.

 

thegoose

(3,115 posts)
56. Can't asshole sign a wine list and be rid of all this annoying shit?
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:50 PM
Sep 2018

He's never had to face up to his corrupt shit his entire worthless life. Maybe now? It'd be so good....

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
62. Not if Manafort is going to cooperate regarding his money fraud.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:14 PM
Sep 2018

Manafort may have some things to give up about financial fraud, but #1...that may have nothing to do with Russian conspiracy, and #2...that may have nothing to do with obstruction of justice.

Manafort may not have anything to give up regarding Trump at all. Manafort & Trump don't seem to have known each other well before Manafort joined the campaign.

So I wouldn't get excited about this as it relates to Trump. We'll just have to see.

Pride cometh before the....you know.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
69. Sessions perjured himself to the Senate
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:25 PM
Sep 2018

And Popadopolis's public statements have implicated Sessions was aggressively in favor of pursuing the information held by the Russians. If that's true and that information has already been corroborated by Mueller's team, then they are only keeping Sessions in office because they need him to protect the investigation. In fact, Session may already be cooperating with them as a witness which explains the urgency in the Trump admin to get rid of him. If that's the case, as others have noted above, Graham may be publicly stroking Trump's ego while he works behind the scenes to support Sessions.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
70. Thanks Berni! You know there's too much dirt
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:34 PM
Sep 2018

When you can't remember it all! Everything you wrote makes total sense...but how does manafort fit in related to sessions?

Bottom line sessions is not innocent. He is either cooperating with Mueller or someone somehow will entangle him.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
74. I only mentioned Sessions because taking him down doesn't require Manafort...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:59 PM
Sep 2018

So that means Manafort's cooperation if for bigger fish... and I can only think of two bigger fish...

ffr

(22,665 posts)
72. Through difficult GOVT efforts, if we take back congress, tRump is fucked.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:49 PM
Sep 2018

That's the only way this happens globally. Mueller's investigation will have twice the merit when dems retake the People's Chambers and have representation again.

sellitman

(11,605 posts)
87. I love the Title of your post
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:28 PM
Sep 2018

I just don't think any GOP Congress critter or Senator will EVER vote to Impeach. I don't care how damning the evidence. If they have gone this far they have no morals. The rule of law isn't as important as the ability to impose their will on the judiciary and the tax codes and our way of life.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
89. I agree with all of your points except the last
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:12 PM
Sep 2018

The GOP is in a state of reality denial and expect that it will continue. They will not vote to impeach and Trump will remain. The nightmare will continue and a wounded crazy lion is worse than just a crazy lion.

I don't how this nightmare will really end. At least if we can retake the house we will gain some check on this power. We MUST retake the house. It is drop dead serious!

RainCaster

(10,831 posts)
90. I'm a skeptic - I'll believe it when DFT is dressed in orange
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 10:17 PM
Sep 2018

That treasonous toddler needs to be shown to his "base" for what he is. That sumbich should go to prison for a long time.

nvme

(860 posts)
92. he may not get the f--king that you might think
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:26 AM
Sep 2018

Look at how they are slithering around the Kavinaugh the Rapist. they are goose stepping along with Trump at every turn, so they may not vote to convict if there is an impeachment trial. that is a high threshold to get 12-17 Republicans to turn.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
94. Waiting for many more
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 08:10 AM
Sep 2018

To turn on him , like Malanie, and 2 or more of his kids , and ghouliani. Its just a matter of time . Everyone hates him.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
103. For openers, probably write offs for loans owed to Russians
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 02:06 PM
Sep 2018

plus, if I had to guess, failure to declare income on a lot of the money laundering he was doing with the Russians. I am sure Mueller has all this info and is busy checking it.

ut oh

(891 posts)
100. They shouldn't impeach him
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:09 PM
Sep 2018

they should annul his presidency. That way we should be able to unwind Garbage... errrr Gorsuch from the Supreme Court (and Kavanagh assuming the GOP pushes him through).

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
101. Dont get me wrong, this thrills me but I have a question.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:24 PM
Sep 2018

Since Mueller wont indict and neither will the house unless we take it back

How is he fucked?

If we take the House but not 66 seats in the Senate, how is he fucked?

Serious question, I am as mad as anybody, more so maybe, but for him to be fucked the GOP have to be patriots, to some extent.

Right? Wrong? Help me celebrate with you. Explain how?

elocs

(22,541 posts)
105. Until Trump is fucked, he is not fucked.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 08:19 PM
Sep 2018

Those who gloat and dance last gloat and dance best.
Remember Fitzmas.

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