Trump supporter too poor to evacuate.

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

Mercedes O'Neill lives just two blocks from the Atlantic Ocean in a zone so imperiled by Hurricane Florence that it has been marked for mandatory evacuation.
O'Neill, who has a son due Sept. 27, thought hard about leaving. But because her family lives paycheck to paycheck, the idea seemed too costly. And she worried about not getting home in time to return to her job at a Family Dollar store after the storm passes....

O'Neill got off work a few hours Wednesday before her boyfriend and a neighbor finished putting plywood on the widows. On one window was spray painted "Thank God for Trump." On the other piece of plywood was "God bless the USA."

To read more:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/weather/sns-bc-us--tropical-weather-evacuation-dilemma-20180913-story.html

1) Trump supporter.
2) White.
3) Too poor to evacuate.
4) Still a Trump supporter.

Remember when Trump said that he loves the poorly educated?

[Wellstone ruled]

1. To Poor to leave,

wow,there most likely thousands whom are doing this same thing. We just heard of one,albeit a Trumper. This should never happen.

[guillaumeb]

2. Yes, the article references thousands.

Too poor to leave, and too poorly educated to understand the effects of their support for a climate denying GOP.

[Wellstone ruled]

15. Your mention of Education rings so darn true.

From someone who grew up in and with poverty all around,it was Education that allowed myself and others to find prosperity or something in that finished product. Have to say,returned to that area this past Summer for a couple days. Yes there are several who are still stuck in that uneducated rut with allegiance to the ideas that keep them in that rut and to afraid to break the bonds that hold them back.

[guillaumeb]

20. I also grew up in a poor family.

And education was also my path.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. The reason I am so down and negative all the time is I dont expect them to ever learn

I expect them to continue to vote for Nazis who will take everything they and you and I have.

[guillaumeb]

34. All in support of their fantasy of making America white again.

And these same people were poor in the 1950s as well. And uneducated.

[Eliot Rosewater]

35. LBJ sure had them figured out, with that quote we all know.

Amazing that was 50 years ago.

And we are BACK there again.

[guillaumeb]

37. Yes, but the same poverty,

the same lack of education, the same lack of good jobs, are all still present. And the same racism is still present. LBJ underestimated how long the South and the West would be lost to the GOP.

[Wellstone ruled]

41. That is such a true statement.

Several Dems under estimated that truth. We are now living through those transition years. Been a slug,but we are now seeing some major Political and Demographic changes that will finally right the ship in favor of a Liberal Nation.

Anti Poverty Programs were killed off during this same time frame.

[guillaumeb]

42. A fantastic ending.

The GOP has attacked all social welfare programs in favor of tax breaks for the 1%.

[Laffy Kat]

3. It truly boggles the mind. nt

[guillaumeb]

6. It does.

They truly have no idea why their economic and physical situations are as they are.

[FakeNoose]

19. Well sure they do

It's all the lib-ruls' fault! Goddamn Obama and Crooked Hillary for sure, maybe others too.

[guillaumeb]

21. Agreed. Any easy response.

And they hear it on FOX.

[jazzcat23]

23. wow,

love that hat! where can I get one???? Or 20?

[FakeNoose]

72. Not sure but I think they sell them on Amazon

I don't own the hat, just found the pic on a Twitter feed a couple months ago.

[ProudLib72]

4. I feel sorry for them

They are mentally and financially challenged, and our government is taking advantage of those two conditions. Normally, I would post a no pity emoji, but this is a life and death situation. It's not a joking matter. They will die praising the man who put them in this situation, and that man will blame Dems for all the deaths.

[guillaumeb]

7. Well said.

And their inability to recognize how GOP policies will make their situation an increasingly frequent occurrence makes them even easier to exploit.

[Tucker08087]

9. I feel sorry for them, too.

They are being used, and don’t understand. Fox “news” deliberately preys on them with lack of or misinformation. Truthfully, the part about her approaching her due date is the thing that gets to me the most. Someone could have helped, but she obviously doesn’t have the resources to get the help. Thank God it’s a 1 and not the 4/5 they expected. I know I’ve maybe beaten this dead horse, but after surviving Sandy, I have a much greater appreciation of the destructive side of nature. I hope they make it.

[guillaumeb]

11. I also hope that they stay safe.

But I have little hope that they will become educated voters.

[Tucker08087]

12. Agreed.

[Dave Starsky]

13. I do, too. These people are truly ignorant.

They are not the willfully stupid. The willfully stupid people, in my opinion, deserve every bit of our derision. I will gladly heap shit on someone who clearly should have known better but chose not to act on their knowledge, because of some ideology. These people in this story never learned in the first place, and now they're probably going to die because of that.

[forgotmylogin]

78. I mean...bless her heart, but...

She's afraid to evacuate and possibly lose her job at the Dollar Store...which may not even exist after all this.

[alwaysinasnit]

5. The sad part of tRump's comment about "poorly educated" was that he was looking them in the

face when he said that and they had no clue that tRump was referring to them.

[guillaumeb]

8. Agreed.

A radio commenter in my area made a comment that one crucial aspect of a truly stupid person is that they generally cannot recognize their own stupidity.

[Tucker08087]

10. Yeah.

Have you been on Twitter? Holy Cow!

[SchrodingersCatbox]

17. Twitter is proof

that the "million monkeys / million keyboards" theory is wrong...

[Dave Starsky]

14. He was ridiculing them to their faces.

That was most honest thing he's ever said in his life. He thrives off of ignorance and stupidity.

[alwaysinasnit]

18. How ironic that tRumpers like him because he is not politically correct when he speaks, and yet

he used the term "poorly educated" instead of "stupid" or something similar. tRumpers didn't catch that either.

[magicarpet]

24. trDump'$.... "You knew I was a snake....." diatribe...

.... was a double entendre wrapped in an in your face Freudian Slip.

He was telling the world exactly what to expect from him, and some proceeded to elect Mr. The Nazi - White Trash.

[MiniMe]

16. And they would probably vote for him again

Hard to feel sorry for the stupid

[guillaumeb]

22. Yes, many probably will do just that.

Lincoln did say that one can fool some of the people all of the time.

[MaryMagdaline]

25. Too bad the baby doesn't get to vote

[guillaumeb]

30. Or pick her parents. eom

[MaryMagdaline]

32. Yes. Poor kid.

[PJMcK]

27. Is there really something called "too poor to evacuate?"

Is the North Carolina government so dysfunctional that it cannot provide for its citizens? You know, the people who finance that government?

Pathetic.

Additionally, Ms. O'Neill seems pretty dense. She's going to have a baby in about two weeks and she's remaining in a dangerous environment! She's an idiot.

Darwin awards all around.

[Eko]

29. Yes.

[guillaumeb]

31. Like Katrina,

there are many who have no access to transportation. And she is white, and that explains her support for Trump. She says that she cannot afford to leave.

North Carolina is a GOP gerrymandered and controlled state. It is run for the benefit of the 1% and this voter has still not figured that out.

[PJMcK]

36. But aren't there local governmental protections and services?!

If not, then these people don't understand the role of government.

Darwin Award nominees.

[guillaumeb]

39. Local governments do not have the resources.

And I agree that many GOP voters have no idea of the proper role of government.

[Eko]

28. You should delete this post.

Politicizing people that are too poor to get out is way not cool. I don't think your god would approve at all.

[guillaumeb]

33. Your ciriticism is unwarranted.

I am pointing out the logical consequences of the GOP ideology, and its effect on the poor voters of N. Carolina.

[Eko]

38. No you are not.

You are just kidding yourself if you think that. If you did your title would be different, like "GOP ideology help keep people so poor that they cant evacuate a serious natural disaster". Instead you bashed a poor person because you don't like their politics, I don't like their politics either but you don't see me making such a callous post. How did that feel bashing a poor dump supporter in a life and death situation to you? Good? It is painfully obvious that religion has nothing to do with morals.

[guillaumeb]

40. So your quarrel is with the title?

If only you had posted this, you could have used that title.

And this is not the religion group, so your comment is out of place.

[Eko]

43. I dont care if this is or isnt the religion group.

I dont give a flying fuck. If I get admonished for this because I chose to have humanity in this situation when you and many others didnt thats perfectly fine with me. There is nothing you can ever say to me that will make me think you are a good person at all after this. At the end of the day we are all Americans and politics should be put aside in natural disasters, do you think the firemen that ran into the towers stopped and thought about the politics of those in the towers? Would you? I wouldnt. Not in any life threatening situation.

[guillaumeb]

44. While I understand the source of your obvious anger,

it is misplaced. These people are in this situation because of deliberate policy choices made by the GOP, and because some undereducated and/or poor white voters vote for the GOP, often on the basis of race.

Remember too that GOP Senators, Cruz and Cornyn among them, voted to deny aid to New Jersey as a political tactic. Again, your aim is off.

Now, tell me where I or others said that no one should be helped.

[Eko]

45. Done with you.

Ive been here for 8 years and never put anyone on ignore. You will be my first.

[MyOwnPeace]

52. Eko - come on, man!

To me, the telling point is what they painted on their window: "Thank God for Trump"

The obvious irony (well, maybe NOT so obvious to some) is that IQ45 has been pushing programs designed to offer even less help to those in need - and both North and South Carolina have been bastions of similar arrangements.

Yes, it is sad to have anyone in such a needy situation.

But it is even sadder to think that we have governments, both state and federal, that would create and support programs that would allow that to happen.

[guillaumeb]

62. And that has been raised by me and others here as well.

Oh well, I will live with being ignored.

[Eko]

69. To me the telling point is

We cant afford to leave in every storm and I need to be back at my job. To someone who grew up in NC and Va for a long time those things are real regardless of politics. You can bash a dump supporter for a lot of things, but being too poor to evacuate in a hurricane, when I have friends who hate dump and couldn't evacuate because of money also is not one of those and should never be done. There is no "come on" with this at all.

[MyOwnPeace]

73. "There is no "come on" with this at all."

But there is!

Did your friends cover the front of their house with "I wish Trump would save me" or "I 'heart' Trump?"

Correct - things are real - this is a shitty situation - and too many people have been let down and left out.

The realization that government could/should be doing something to help - and that the current government is NOT - that is what sucks!

Unfortunately, some people don't realize it - and some refuse to do so. Instead, they paint goofy shit on their house.

[guillaumeb]

64. I have no one on ignore.

But, if you have me on ignore you cannot read this.

Like a tree falling in the forest?

[Blue_true]

46. A perfect example of who should always vote Dem, but don't.

I see a lot of that type in Florida, and we have loads of Family Dollar, Dollar General and very active Salvation Army rescue and salvage stores.

[guillaumeb]

47. Agreed, but for various reasons,

many support a GOP that does nothing for them.

[Blue_true]

48. Republicans see people like that only at election time. nt

[Ilsa]

49. Aren't there evacuation buses? nt

[guillaumeb]

57. Perhaps there are no local bus lines, no town transportation? eom

[Ilsa]

70. That must be the weak part of the plan.

If they can't get transportation for people to the site to leave the state.

[guillaumeb]

71. The GOP does not believe in government. eom

[Karadeniz]

50. Response to your other question

I can't find your post...why does Allah allow bad things to happen.

The Source/Allah/Father/God never leaves Its "world." We have a "divine spark" (soul) from that Source which carries its "DNA" (character, standards, qualities) to this world and is meant to serve as a counterbalance to our self-centered brain. We all have a purpose, which is to create heavenly conditions on this world. To do this, we must listen to soul rather than brain. The soul yearns to express itself, but it is easily overwhelmed by materialism, physicality, greed, lust, etc. When it does get through, it grows, develops, because actually that is what most gives the brain a sense of wholeness, satisfaction. The soul must find its way back to its Source. The thing that allows for this world to accomplish its bumpy path towards a better world is reincarnation. We have all been here before, but some have made better use of their experiences and developed greater soul. Nevertheless, the progress is one of Mind (soul + brain) becoming increasingly more and more soul-influenced. The soul is self-less; you cannot ever be a hero from the self-preserving brain. All heroism is soul-driven.


Here's an example: The Nike ad with Colin Kaepernek. When it first came out, the ego-driven brain voices came out loud and clear against it, furious that their superficial patriotism was being attacked by Nike. When I first saw the ad, I almost cried and told my husband that the message was completely Christian...if Christians but knew it, exactly what churches should be teaching. Everything about Jesus' parables/teachings is about the God System, karma, reincarnation, soul development, the need to choose soul over the material. Christians don't have a clue about their teachings at the conscious level, instead going for the easier Faith and Forgiveness which doesn't play into any of the deep teachings. However, the soul Truth of the Nike ad touched millions and millions of souls who may well not have been able to understand why it is necessary to undergo hardship, sacrifice, on behalf of others, but their souls related to it. Now public support of Nike's message by buying Nike products has shot their share price to an all-time high. It's the soul that wants to help others. That is the Source nature which we carry in our souls, reaching out to others.

[guillaumeb]

55. Welcome to DU.

Here is the link:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=293482

Yo can also look at the top of the post and see where the post is posted.

Thank you for the very nice response. My view is that we all have a divine spark as a link to the Creator.

If you wish, please copy your response and put it at the link.

[samnsara]

51. awwwww...but the kitties! :)

..meow meow....

[guillaumeb]

58. Yes, the cats. Are there no cat carriers?

[bitterross]

53. Seems Darwin's Selection is at work.

I may get blasted for this but, I'll live with it.

Clearly, these animals (yes, humans are animals) may suffer the consequences of their decisions. Those consequences are they may not live to deliver the child and to breed more.

This really is natural selection. Many studies have shown Trump supporters function from their lizard-brain more than their higher brain functions. It seems pretty obvious they might begin paying a price for this in terms of natural selection. Those of us who think more from our higher brains have made different decisions. Like supporting liberal causes. Like choosing renewables. Admitting there is climate change and preparing for it. Trump supporters do things that are not in their own interests.

The Trump supporters, should they not survive, are simply natural selection at work. The lizard-brain was once very useful. Now, it is not. So, like other things that do not promote survival, it will be de-selected and eliminated.

It's just biology at work.

[guillaumeb]

59. Harsh, but I understand your feeling.

I feel bad for them, but I cannot educate them.

[bitterross]

67. Natural Selection is Harsh.

I sincerely believe it is a form of thinning the herd. It really is no different than in the past. The difference is we are now self-aware, lucid and can see it happening.

I was going to add "and be sad about it." But, I can't be sad about the evolution of the human race for the better.

[meadowlander]

89. Fuck that dehumanising bullshit right in its self-righteous ass.

[bitterross]

90. Arrogant human. As if the world is all about humans.

It's funny to see people get so upset over being asked to realize that just because we understand a few things that doesn't mean shit. We're not even an infantesimal blink of an eye in the universe.

[randr]

54. Still willing to rely on socialist rescue system

[guillaumeb]

60. Like public transportation?

Or government disaster relief?

[Ms. Toad]

56. More likely true than not -

But how do you konw she is white, and how do you know her education level? I did't see a reference to either race or education in the article (or a picture from which we might presume the former)

As I said, more likely true than not - but I don't think we ought to be making stuff up based on our prejudices.

[guillaumeb]

61. There is a picture in the Tribune article.

She appears to be white.

PS.

I read this in an actual newspaper but the link has no picture.

[Ms. Toad]

63. Not at the link, that I can see.

I assumed a picture was the basis of your comment - but I posted the comment after checking and finding no picture.

[guillaumeb]

65. You assumed correctly.

My view is that for this type of voter, race plays a big part in their voting decisions. How else to explain poor white people voting for rich white GOP politicians?

[Sanity Claws]

66. It sounds like beachfront property

How poor could she be?
She may live paycheck to paycheck but she may have more wealth than many. I am not questioning her lack of smarts but she may not be poor.

[Ms. Toad]

68. There's enough basis for the "poor" assessment that it seems reasonable to me.

They are living paycheck to paycheck - at no more than assistant manager level (since she said she was keeping in touch with her manager). I don't think you can crawl out of poverty on those wages. (Although it doesn't say where her boyfriend works . . .)

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

76. Umm...

...you all do know that this woman's support for Trump has nothing to do with her income, right?


Perhaps, you should study how poor whites supported Jim Crow even as it was obvious that integration would economically advantageous to everybody.

[guillaumeb]

80. I said nothing about such a relationship.

But I did point out that many poor whites support a racist GOP because of racism.

[gejohnston]

79. I'm missing the point

Classist? Racist? A lot of people in NOLA were too poor to evacuate too.
Why do you assume she is uneducated? Maybe she has a degree in art history or some other degree with no demand for. Maybe she is well educated, but with a library card instead of a university?

[guillaumeb]

81. She is a poor white worker,

no doubt working for a sub-living wage, and financially unable to evacuate.


And based on her support for Trump, I used that to comment that many poor whites vote for the GOP based on racism. Others lack the education or intelligence to understand why workers should never support the GOP.

[gejohnston]

82. that claim is in itself

racist and race baiting. Fucking disgusting. There are a number of reasons why poor whites would not vote for Democrats, like seeing aniti-white racism on forums and going guilt by association, or being anti-choice, or any number of reasons.

[guillaumeb]

83. No it is not. It is stating the obvious.

Is it racist to state that Trump enjoys his greatest support among white people?

Is it racist to state that Trump enjoys his greatest support among less educated white people?

No, it is stating what is easily provable. But if you are determined to find fault, I understand.

[gejohnston]

84. You don't even know what race she is

No,
I don't know if it is true or not. Also define "educated". If you are working class, anyone offering them opportunity and prosperity for them is going to get elected, not anyone calling them inbred racists.
No it isn't provable. It is still race baitng. It is still disgusting.

[guillaumeb]

85. I first read the article in the Chicago Tribune print edition.

And the accompanying picture showed a white family, with a caption.

I mentioned that in #61 to an earlier responder who asked the same question.

And you are the first one in this thread to call them inbred. And that is disgusting.

[gejohnston]

86. I didn't call them inbred,

but that is a common smear of rural whites among urban "progressives". 2020 will be won by having well thought out policy proposals about issues people care about. Wedge issues bring out the base, put piss off the plurality of people who don't care about ideology party, the people who actually decide elections.
Republicans made the same mistake by thumping Bibles and rating about gays in the military 20+ years ago.

[guillaumeb]

87. You did say:

No,
I don't know if it is true or not. Also define "educated". If you are working class, anyone offering them opportunity and prosperity for them is going to get elected, not anyone calling them inbred racists.
No it isn't provable. It is still race baitng. It is still disgusting.

So if by that you meant others doing so, that clarifies it.

But I never called them in-bred. I am white, and from a small town (500 or so people in the 1960s) in a rural area of Canada.

And white rural voters elected Trump.

[gejohnston]

88. Among the far left in the US,

the term is commonly used against any white rural person. By far left I mean the hammer and sickle wavers in Berkley.
I doubt your NDP or Greens does that.
White rural voters and working class people in the "rust belt" (who voted for Obama before, and Bernie fans who are single issue voters who opposed TPP).
While Trump is a buffoon, Trudeau is ummmmmmm, let's just say I expect a blue (and some orange) wave in 2019 federal elections.

[LanternWaste]

91. You've solidified my current sentiment that for far too many people...

merely bringing up race has become 'racist' in their eyes.

That is, in my own opinion, blind at best, and at worst, playing coyly with racism itself.