Beware the soft sell to seniors, your SocSec won't be touched just those under x yrs.

[CK_John]

This will be pushed big time but seniors need to understand their kids and grand kids will suffer.

Also point out to seniors that they will keep them from voting.

[amandabeech]

1. Approximately one third of Medicaid expenses go to seniors, primarily for nursing homes.

Cut Medicaid, and even with extensive planning beforehand, seniors will be unable to pass down money to their children and grandchidren.

Upper middle class Rs could really feel that pinch.

Of course, seniors with no or few assets will find it difficult to live their last months, or even years, in dignity unless their children have enough money to pay for a decent nursing home or very significant in-home services.

[Motown_Johnny]

3. it is worse than that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021110735

[Bozita]

10. WOW! ... Thanks, Johnny.

[amandabeech]

12. Thank you, Johnny! That is catastrophic!

You should e-mail that article to Chuck Todd or Chris Mattews at MSNBC.

They just had Joel Klein on. Chris and he discussed how the R&R program would affect seniors and made no mention of this.

It is a hot, hot piece of information!

[Motown_Johnny]

19. Don't thank me, that is riverwalker's doing

I just wanted to share.

[amandabeech]

15. I sent the link to the Chris Matthews show with a note.

They've probably received many messages about seniors and Medicaid, but this is so important that I wanted to make sure.

Again, thanks Johnny!

Your fellow Motown fan, Amanda.

[Motown_Johnny]

20. riverwalker's post

no need to thank me

[amandabeech]

29. You brought it to my attention.

Thanks to riverwalker, too.

[madaboutharry]

2. What does that say about us as a society?

You can vote for me because it won't change your social security checks, only those people younger than you and who gives a shit about them.

[CK_John]

4. The GOP has thousands studying how to market their plans, while

the Dems only react every 4 yrs to political stress.

[jp11]

17. That those in power can always pit segments of those without it against eachother

as has been true since civilization began.

"I got mine jack, who cares about everyone else!"

[pnwmom]

5. And the seniors themselves will suffer, too. Are they so naive that they think

even if their benefits are protected now, that they will remain protected?

Do they not understand that the reason that under 55's are willing to keep paying their Social Security and Medicare payments is because we expect Medicare and Social Security for ourselves someday?

[CK_John]

8. They understand that many seniors are just tired. Tired of fighting

their whole life and ready to say you want SocSec fight for it.

[nanabugg]

23. They should tell them, "You want SocSec., VOTE for it!!

The Dems can win back some of the x's if they point out the Ryan doesn't give a shit about them. And his budget effectively destroy's the GOP meme: "for the sake of your children's future." Ryan's (GOP) budget will not be mortgaging their future it will be destroying their future and lower the standard of living for generations to come. Drastic changes in Medicare and Social Sec coupled with cut backs in union protections and social services mean that future generations will have a much lower standard of living than they enjoy now.

[RC]

28. They won't understand about Ryan not giving a shit about them, because they don't give a shit about

anyone else but themselves either. It just doesn't compute for them. They think it is normal and we are the ones that are abnormal.

[jp11]

18. Exactly.

I pay into SS as part of the law and it didn't bother me because I hope I won't die before I can make use of it. Yet I've seen the rules change once already and the threat that they will change again is very real.

Why should I honor someone else's agreement while mine keeps getting changed? If those with the marginal power to strike back, seniors, won't stand with those keeping their SS funded why do they think I'd care if they are 'protected'? If they aren't interested in protecting those keeping the trust that keeps the system working for them why should I?

We either stand together or we are divided.

[rocktivity]

6. People didn't buy that line when Bush II said it.

In fact, the more he talked about it, the less popular it got.

http://pol.moveon.org/ssmyths/

http://agit-pop.com/gallery_item/bush-in-30-years


rocktivity

[gkhouston]

9. ^^ This.

Bush tried repeatedly to sell the privatization of Social Security. Went over like a lead balloon every time.

Sure hope Rachel Maddow does a special about the history of Medicare, and just what the Ryan budget would do to it.

[kenny blankenship]

7. Betrayal is betrayal.

The assurance that "oh, only future generations of seniors will be pensioned off to the glue factory" does not improve anyone's Grand Bargain, morally speaking, no matter who is said to be doing the bargaining.

Sure, politically, it's an easier sell - and a big win for Evil.

[Enrique]

11. such a nice boy

[HockeyMom]

13. Precisely what my Republican husband said

"I am only one year away from Medicare." "It is those under 55." Screw them. I got MINE. Never mind that his children, nieces, nephew, and friend are those under 55. Besides, what GUARANTEE is there that it WON'T affact YOU? You trust them that much? I mostly certainly don't. If they don't care about the younger generation, they won't care about you either.

[gkhouston]

14. If it's a good deal, why not do it now?

That it's phased-in is a self-admission that they know it's a shitty deal.

[progressivebydesign]

22. ooh GREAT POINT!!! n/t

[Tanuki]

16. They are trying to set up intergenerational warfare

In a few years, as the cohort of now-seniors dwindles and becomes less of a voting bloc, Ryanites will pull the rug out from them with impunity. If the younger people have no Medicare program to look forward to, they won't fight for it for their elders, as they will have been conditioned to think of it as somebody else's "entitlement".

[progressivebydesign]

21. It also raises the retirement age, so the "over 55 thing" may also be a lie.

I think the loss of long term care funding thru Medicaid is absolutely devastating. As well as his plan to give people a $2,400 a year tax CREDIT to replace Medicaid. I am healthy, no pre existing conditions, and I pay now $222.00 a month for nothing. A $7,500 deductible, two office visits a year, no Rx, no frills. Useless pretty much unless something horrible happens.

So Ryan wants to force people off of Medicaid, hand them a tax credit (which is NOT even close to the same thing,) and ask them to buy private insurance??? Considering the GOP will find a way to bring back the pre-existing condition thing, it will be useless and the taxpayers will be paying even MORE for under or uninsured people flooding the ER.

[RBInMaine]

24. So you attack the crap out of him both with seniors AND everyone under age 55. GET THE ADS UP NOW!!

[Skittles]

25. forget that age 55 stuff

that age is moving - there is no way people who are 55 now won't be shafted

[bluestateguy]

26. Don't pee in my Wheaties

Just. Don't.

[sarcasmo]

27. Once they steal the money from social security they will have stolen everything.