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Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:14 AM

 

Do these have any bearing why this male dominated society...

...is so fucked up?

I think so.




ADDED after being called an anti Semite:

PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS ON INFANTS

1. Circumcision Causes Immediate Harm
2. Pain from Circumcision in Infancy Alters the Brain
3. Infant Circumcision has Psychological Consequences for M


PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS ON CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS

1. Medical Procedures in Childhood are Often Experienced as Traumatic
2. Procedures Involving Children’s Genitals Produce Negative Psychological Effect
3. Circumcision Causes Significant Psychological Harm in Children and Adolescents
4. The Majority of Boys Circumcised as Children and Adolescents Meet Diagnostic Criteria for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)
5. By Encouraging Circumcision, Medical Professionals are Shaming Boys’ Bodies


https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage

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Reply Do these have any bearing why this male dominated society... (Original post)
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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:16 AM

1. anti-semitic. please delete.

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Response to unblock (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:18 AM

2. WTF?

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:22 AM

6. circumcision is a jewish ritual and not at all "genital mutilation".

also, it usually includes an injection of anesthetic in addition to topical numbing cream.


and it has *nothing* to do with any point you're trying to make about later male behavior.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:43 AM

23. if you want to have a rational discussion about circumcision feel free to start a new thread.

i won't object to that, and don't normally don't participate in circumcision discussions.


but an o.p. with little more than several offensive insults about it is not conducive to healthy discussion.


i generally look forward to your posts and almost always agree wholeheartedly.

but this one took you down a few notches in my book.

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Response to unblock (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:45 AM

25. I don't care how you view me

 

Got it?

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Response to SHRED (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:46 AM

28. wow. good to know.

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Response to unblock (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:57 AM

36. Is it also then a "Muslim" or "American" tradition too?



Because...you do know that the Muslims do it and American culture since WW2?

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Response to unblock (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:19 AM

3. That's kind of a stretch. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:26 AM

12. Yes, a huge stretch

The poster is referring to a common medical procedure that is now deemed by most physicians as medically unnecessary. What once was seen as just a Jewish practice, became a standard practice throughout our society.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #12)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:30 AM

16. does that make it ok to insult anyone who gets it?

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Response to unblock (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:41 AM

22. It hardly insults the person who gets it,

as the babies had no say in the decision.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:45 AM

26. he's calling *me* fucked-up, twisted, raised bizarrely, and calling my genitals "mutilated".

but i shouldn't take it personally???

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Response to unblock (Reply #26)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:53 AM

35. It appears you are reading a lot more into the

post than what it actually says.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:01 PM

38. telling someone who's offended that they're just plain wrong?

does that usually work well for you?


and just how should i take it, then?

i had a genital-mutilating procedure done to me, but i shouldn't think my genitals are "mutilated"?

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Response to unblock (Reply #38)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:18 PM

40. Well there you did the same thing with my comment

I did not say that you're "just plain wrong". People can have different opinions about circumcision without one being anti-semitic. I did not consider the men I've known who were circumcised to have mutilated genitals, but from a mother's perspective, I do think it is a cruel thing to do to a young infant. That is my opinion and it doesn't make me right and you wrong.

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Response to unblock (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:21 AM

4. How do you figure?

There are millions of male babies that get nipped in this country and it has NOTHING to do with religion.

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Response to GemDigger (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:24 AM

7. duh, it's not exclusively religious.

that doesn't mean it's not anti-semitic.

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Response to unblock (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:27 AM

13. That is some twisted logic.

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Response to unblock (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:29 AM

15. The post is anti circumcision

regardless of a person's religion.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:31 AM

19. that doesn't make it any less offensive.

one can be anti-circumcision without calling it bizarre, twisted, fucked-up, mutilation, and suggesting it's at least partly responsible for later rotten behavior.

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Response to unblock (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:44 AM

24. Causing physical and psychological damage to boys is what's offensive

 

Lots of research data to back me up.

Google it.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:22 PM

41. Seems some mutilation is also rationalized as ear piercings.

But I get it... some mutilations, if done by choice are somehow not mutilations, and merely decorative.

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Response to unblock (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:47 AM

29. There are a lot different opinions on the procedure

and many people find it offensive. I think they have the right to express their opinion, especially being no one brought up religion except for you. By the way, over the years the pro circumcision arguments I have heard came from people who were not Jewish. They were people who thought it was a necessary procedure or that it was cleaner.

Circumcision was so common in our society as I was growing up, that I really had no idea of it Jewish origins. It was just what people did to male babies.

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Response to unblock (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:22 AM

5. BREAKING

Gentiles get circumcised too.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:24 AM

8. exclusivity is hardly necessary for it to be anti-semitic.

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Response to unblock (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:26 AM

11. mm kay



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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:29 AM

14. would it help if i said it was merely insulting and offensive to many?

instead of anti-semitic to a notable subset of people who get the procedure?

he should still delete, it's ridiculous to call a widely accepted medical procedure "twisted", "fucked-up", "bizarre", and "mutilation".

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Response to unblock (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:30 AM

17. It would help if your logic wasn't so bizarre and deeply flawed.

As others have pointed out.

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Response to unblock (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:24 AM

9. This is a joke right?




Are you fucking serious?

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:26 AM

10. he's calling something virtually all male jews get "bizarre" and "mutilation".

yes, i'm aware that others get it. that doesn't mean it isn't highly offensive and anti-semitic.


he's insulting my whole family, too!

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Response to unblock (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:37 AM

20. All Muslims are circumcised too?+ I find the female version mutilation and don't care which African

custom i an offending and it's not racist but bizarre

Muslim males are required to be circumcised on the seventh day after the boy’s birth according to the sunnah (practice and saying) of the Prophet Mohammed (SAS). In Islam, this is considered an act of sunnah and a part of cleanliness
I do t think the op was meant to be islamphobic either

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:46 AM

27. So, circumcision is the reason why so many women are sexually assaulted, harassed and raped?

wow, good to know it has nothing to do with societies view of a woman's worth.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:47 AM

30. Did I say it was the sole reason?

 

I missed that.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #30)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:48 AM

31. I'm astonished it is being positioned as a reason.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:50 AM

33. Me Too, Bean

I find it hard to believe that the data really supports such a conclusion.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:52 AM

34. Let Google be your friend

 

Lots of info on this out there.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:26 PM

43. I don't need google to tell me anything.

I know that just because something was done to someone doesn't make it ok, or likely they will do the same.

Them's the facts.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:58 AM

37. yeah, men were saints, no hint of patriarchy in this country until circumcision became popular





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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:49 AM

32. Thanks for the additional info

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:05 PM

39. Thanks...I never meant this to be a circumcision thread

 


But it's astonishing to me that there are so-called "progressives" who can't see it for what it is...sexual violence against infant boys.

If you turn 18 then it's you're choice and that fine.

Why can't people respect their child as a separate human being instead of treating them as property?

It's not their body so leave it alone.


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Response to SHRED (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:25 PM

42. Yes, that was rather interesting

I knew what you were talking about and I can think of a lot of other things that we as a society do to boys that could cause them to turn out to be insensitive towards women and people in general. As such, I made it my goal to raise a good man and it appears I have succeeded.

As a parent, I always had a problem with doing anything to a child that was medically unnecessary if it could cause pain or trauma. I wouldn't even let my daughter get her ears pierced until she was old enough to be responsible for the decision.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:28 PM

44. Likewise

 

Thank you for the clarity.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #44)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:34 PM

45. You're welcome

Thanks for the post. It is a subject we need to explore more.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 01:49 PM

46. Im pretty sure the phrase "lil man" doesn't do any harm.



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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 02:04 PM

47. So why not call a young girl "little woman"?

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 02:14 PM

48. Ok, so this is a great harm?


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