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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPoland used to be okay with Trump. Then, he posted a photo.
Yet, somehow, Trump managed to offend the Poles so deeply that the fallout was all over Polish news sites on Wednesday morning.
What happened? At the end of their meeting, the two leaders agreed to sign a strategic partnership pact to boost defense, energy, trade and security ties. But what could have been a peaceful moment for both presidents immediately took an awkward turn.
SNIP
Rick Noack article from the Washington Post here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/09/19/poland-used-be-ok-with-trump-then-he-posted-photo/?utm_term=.7fa0b3788aa5
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)and that is why he has so many legitimate enemies for his illegitimate republican regime.
* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)crude, opportunistic, completely lacking in any innate sense of taste or grace or respect for others. The money and education that he was raised with had no effect on his (missing) better nature. Who but a real-life version of the Beverly Hillbillies, without Jeb's common sense, would plaster everything around them with gold to the point that gold looked tacky? That was the first clue. He didn't even need to open his mouth. Well-done steak with ketchup was the second clue.
TheBlackAdder
(28,186 posts).
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lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)it was just this pResident and his core supporters.
I sure hope the next President can repair all the damage this one is doing.
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)pandr32
(11,581 posts)The point of the outrage is that the Polish President had to take such an awkward position to sign such an important agreement while Mr. Trump sits comfortably at our oval office desk.
jmowreader
(50,556 posts)Mr. Duda is a very thin man with a broad face. Unfortunately, he's also a Polish-speaking Donald Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrzej_Duda
lark
(23,097 posts)He just can't do anything right! He's either twisting their hands to hurt them, pushing them out of the way so he can be at the center of a picture, giving a live interview dogging the leader then the next day lying that the paper messed up his words (remember, it was LIVE), when the printed message matched perfectly with what he previous said, refusing to shake hands, just in general being a total ass then saying how much they like him. NO one likes him who isn't getting paid a ton to do so, the most hateable vile evil mean criminal and treasonous man in the world. If Mueller isn't allowed to destroy him, PUtin will do so in the end, after he's gotten everything he wants and it won't e enough to make up for the harm he's done.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,000 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,702 posts)looks like to them.
DFW
(54,365 posts)"Americans do not respect Poles."
What hyperbolic BS. Everyone in Poland knows what a dork Trump is. I talk to Poles every week. Even the ones that support the right wing government know we have a jackass sitting in the Oval Office. I have NEVER heard ONE of them even hint that they think we disrespect them. All of them know we disrespect Trump far more than we could ever disrespect their people.
Hekate
(90,658 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Right up Trumps alley.
Since then, Law and Justice has embraced a new set of ideas, not just xenophobic and deeply suspicious of the rest of Europe but also openly authoritarian. After the party won a slim parliamentary majority in 2015, its leaders violated the constitution by appointing new judges to the constitutional court. Later, it used a similarly unconstitutional playbook to attempt to pack the Polish Supreme Court. It took over the state public broadcaster, Telewizja Polska; fired popular presenters; and began running unabashed propaganda, sprinkled with easily disprovable lies, at taxpayers expense. The government earned international notoriety when it adopted a law curtailing public debate about the Holocaust. Although the law was eventually changed under American pressure, it enjoyed broad support by Law and Justices ideological basethe journalists, writers, and thinkers, including some of my party guests, who believe anti-Polish forces seek to blame Poland for Auschwitz.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/poland-polarization/568324/
whathehell
(29,067 posts)He seems quite fond of his Jewish son in law, Jared. He has, for instance, given him an extraordinary role as a Middle East advisor, one he's clearly unqualified for in terms of experience.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)He tolerates Jared only because he's his son-in-law. He's demonstrated his anti-semitism repeatedly for years. https://www.timesofisrael.com/donald-trumps-anti-semitism-controversies-a-timeline/
whathehell
(29,067 posts)where was Jared and Trump adviser Stephen Miller after
Charlottesville?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)onlyadream
(2,166 posts)A pic snapped at a moment when Trump wasnt smiling (and with Manafort and Cohen he doesnt have much to smile about). As for the sitting/standing thing? So what. Mountain out of a mole hill. Theres so much thats REALLY going wrong no that this is just so ridiculous.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)simply has their head up their arse. Ask the guy from Montenegro and um, literally everyone else.
Except Putin.
Hmmmm...
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)That is the message/image they want the world to see.
If it blows up in their face, it's a problem for America that was caused by this misadministration.
Separation
(1,975 posts)When you are in charge of a message, you cant ne accused of getting it wrong.
This is nothing more than a continuation of Trump and his anti NATO stance.
AZ8theist
(5,457 posts)It's NOT a nothingburger.
It's ANOTHER example of how utterly incompetent Doturd is...how he is so far out of his depth. How unqualified he is at even the simplest civility in foreign affairs.
Image is important for the American President on the world stage. This clown gets an "F" every fucking time he tries....
onlyadream
(2,166 posts)This seems like small potatoes.
Caliman73
(11,736 posts)This is a big deal to Poland. They are taking offense for the apparent treatment of their leader. It would be akin to if Putin, or some other world leader took and tweeted some picture of President Obama or Hillary Clinton that made them look subservient and weak during a significant event.
This is not the left taking offense at Trump it is a whole country calling foul. He continues to piss off supposed allies, further isolating the US and diminishing our standing around the world, in service to his ego.
FSogol
(45,481 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)There are no accidents in international diplomacy (or in Trump's case, the lack of it). Many photos were certainly taken but this is the one they chose as the official one.
Separation
(1,975 posts)Suffers from Trump Derangement Syndrome. However, most people in cults of personality like his dont ot wont see things till they are to late.
VOX
(22,976 posts)It was only 79 years ago this month that Poland was invaded by both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. What followed in the next six years remains unspeakably horrific today.
Weirdly enough, the Poles have now embraced the politics of hatred, exclusion, and nationalism. They have betrayed and stained their own history.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Let's' not forget who we are dealing with here
The Polack MSgt
(13,188 posts)Not only is he is a RW shit head - he's actually dumb enough to believe sucking up to Trump is a good idea.
Look around Duda, Trump works for Putin - he is not going to strengthen your country AGAINST Putin
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)blue-wave
(4,352 posts)But I might add that this was purposely staged for the benefit of Daddy Vladdy. Donny had to make the Polish Nation look subordinate to him and by extension Daddy Vladdy, who is the real ruler of the roost.
Poland needs to wake up. They are being played. Their enthusiastic embrace of totalitarian government for their own country played right into Daddy Vladdy's hands.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Cheeto will never show good manners or consideration towards anyone, and it's already been proven.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)My favorite part. Walesa posted a photo on facebook of him sitting regally in a chair with Donald standing behind him.
"You find difference" the post said.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)and always has to give the impression that he's the top dog. He doesn't respect Poles because he doesn't respect anybody.
librechik
(30,674 posts)Usually he is the master of social nuance
And now the news. Rain is wet.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)"I have ordered the withdrawal of all American forces from the Republic of Poland. Further I have ordered the suspension of diplomatic relations with Poland, Hungary and Turkey until they restore the rule of law."
Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)Hide the good vases and lamps.