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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:47 PM Sep 2018

Remember back when Justice Kennedy announced his retirement and we all screamed....

....for the Dems to fight this tooth and nail?


Remember how everyone was skeptical?


Well, the Dems *HAVE* fought this with every arrow in their quiver. There's only so much a minority party can do. But they're doing everything they can.


And we have to have their back in the elections in six weeks.... and GIVE THEM A MAJORITY.

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Remember back when Justice Kennedy announced his retirement and we all screamed.... (Original Post) scheming daemons Sep 2018 OP
K&R JHan Sep 2018 #1
I also remember when Democrats thought Kennedy was in the camp. All Republicans are scum. olegramps Sep 2018 #36
Athiest AMEN! Amimnoch Sep 2018 #2
Got to admit, I thought there was no way to stop Kav. Hoyt Sep 2018 #3
Yeah, Roe is gone no matter what, Griswold, Gay marriage , all civil rights Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #6
I'm so pissed kairos12 Sep 2018 #18
This is defeatist nonsense mythology Sep 2018 #23
+1 Happy to agree with you today! lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #24
The reason I say these things is in HOPES that not ONE person will WHINE about our next Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #37
Excuse me . . . Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #40
All this . Thank you lunasun Sep 2018 #50
I'm a 66 year-old woman. zanana1 Sep 2018 #53
Yep beginning with the high school sociopath yellowdogintexas Sep 2018 #55
I am sorry for the pain you have had to endure. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #59
Less WHINING might result in MORE SEATS for our party, so yes, thanks. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #4
I wish I was more optimistic KenCol Sep 2018 #5
Gerrymandering has NO impact on getting a majority in the Senate scheming daemons Sep 2018 #7
I mean, states are kinda the ultimate gerrymander quakerboy Sep 2018 #48
that is NOT gerrymandering. If the Senate races were for yellowdogintexas Sep 2018 #56
You make my point: quakerboy Sep 2018 #58
welcome to DU Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #8
True but we're talking the Senate here. The House is irrelevant in this right now. Drunken Irishman Sep 2018 #9
Gutting the voting rights act actually is the hill to climb Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #10
The gutting of the Voting Rights Act has been a major pain Gothmog Sep 2018 #44
It is statistically a 5% hill nationally for the House, so quite scaleable! Welcome to DU. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #16
The "Dems don't fight" talking point is annoying. betsuni Sep 2018 #11
Yet constant. I dont really understand it either. nt 7962 Sep 2018 #27
YES! happy feet Sep 2018 #12
Good for the dems. I have been highly critical with... Lucky Luciano Sep 2018 #13
I still want to know about that suspiciously timed retirement Freethinker65 Sep 2018 #14
Absolutely ! C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #15
PLUS they damn well knew they were nominating someone who is a political operative with FromTheAshes Sep 2018 #17
Easy. libdem4life Sep 2018 #32
McConnell warned trump but trump ignored this warning Gothmog Sep 2018 #43
Trump and his minions forced Kennedy out - so they could replace him... BadGimp Sep 2018 #19
Credit really goes to the women who are braving right-wing hate by speaking out Azathoth Sep 2018 #20
Sorry, Feinstein is not a "spectator" here. scheming daemons Sep 2018 #33
K&R. ehrnst Sep 2018 #21
Saying the same thing DownriverDem Sep 2018 #22
The republicans have been very powerful when they were the minority. Lucky Luciano Sep 2018 #25
They didn't stop any SCOTUS judges or the ACA when they were in the minority. scheming daemons Sep 2018 #34
Kennedy really blew it. C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #26
I wonder what the lever was. nt Hekate Sep 2018 #30
K&R geardaddy Sep 2018 #28
Hell yes we must have our Dems' backs Hekate Sep 2018 #29
The Democrats did a great job here Gothmog Sep 2018 #42
Call them and thank them for their hard work...they need encouragement BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #31
What if Kennedy takes back his intent to retire? Johnny2X2X Sep 2018 #35
I would like to know how plausible that is. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #38
And then he would just vote as Kavenaugh would have quakerboy Sep 2018 #49
Yes! I'm so shocked! And so PROUD of them! They're doing everything they can. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #39
The Senate Democrats have done an amazing job fighting this nomination Gothmog Sep 2018 #41
Senate Democrats better not vote for this scumbag! nt RandiFan1290 Sep 2018 #45
They've really taken it to the republicans on Kavanaugh. D23MIURG23 Sep 2018 #46
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2018 #47
Ignore the skeptics... cbreezen Sep 2018 #51
Agree 100% UCmeNdc Sep 2018 #52
I get your point. But it's not about the present, it's about the past. KPN Sep 2018 #54
True Democrats have finally shown backbone INdemo Sep 2018 #57
The people that bashed Dems when Kennedy retired Blue_true Sep 2018 #60

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
36. I also remember when Democrats thought Kennedy was in the camp. All Republicans are scum.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 04:02 PM
Sep 2018
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. Got to admit, I thought there was no way to stop Kav.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:53 PM
Sep 2018

But it’s very possible now.

I am concerned that GOPers will ramp up swift boating of nominees in the future. But Democrats will just have to handle it if it occurs.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,296 posts)
6. Yeah, Roe is gone no matter what, Griswold, Gay marriage , all civil rights
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:56 PM
Sep 2018

all workers rights all women's rights all voting rights ALL gone NO
MATTER who we fight to stop.

But some are worse than others and keeping RAPISTS off the court is a start.

I am so fucking angry at how we got here

kairos12

(13,708 posts)
18. I'm so pissed
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:30 PM
Sep 2018

I got off my couch for fear of spontaneous combustion and burning down the house.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
23. This is defeatist nonsense
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:55 PM
Sep 2018

Not to mention utterly inaccurate. There is zero chance that "all women's rights" will be rolled back. I don't get the woe is us, we're helpless stuff you and others keep spreading.

Maybe you haven't noticed but we've been doing a hell of a job stopping the Trump agenda. We've still got the ACA, the Muslim ban had to be dramatically scaled back. The border wall unbuilt. The child separation policy stopped. We're fighting against gerrymandering finally. The MeToo movement is fighting back against sexual predators. The EPA regulation roll back being challenged in the courts. Russia investigation collecting heads and moving ever closer to Trump.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,296 posts)
37. The reason I say these things is in HOPES that not ONE person will WHINE about our next
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 04:12 PM
Sep 2018

candidate like so many did about Hillary.

Because everything I said is actually now possible in the short term FOR SURE and NONE of it had to be possible but for WHINING about speeches and so on.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
40. Excuse me . . .
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 04:53 PM
Sep 2018

Maybe YOU have been spared some of the more egregious examples of reprehensible behavior in this nation.

But right now, there are thousands of people all over this nation who are suffering roll backs in their health care services, especially WOC/people in rural areas/marginalized citizens. Unable to obtain critical (and sometimes even basic) care due to cut backs in services available in CBOCs and their satellites, they have no where else to turn.

Right now, Muslims are being harassed and tormented in this country at unprecedented levels. I guide you to the CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) website. The stories will horrify you.

Right now, Border Patrol Agents have increasingly become worse than any Wall could ever prove to be. The arbitrary fashion in which they "process" people borders on the barely legal. The lawsuits are revealing just how far these agents will go to push the limits of their authority. Worse, they are permitted to stop anyone, anywhere within 50 miles of a border/coastline/boundary water to question them about their citizenship.

Right now there is an all-time high number of children in internment camps across the nation. And the administration is cooking up new policies to circumvent the laws on returning these children. They are being separated from their parents as young as SIX MONTHS OLD. They are housed in dirty and cold environments with sub-standard nutrition/water. Children who have been released have been in filthy clothing, covered in lice and bruises and scabs and some have been seriously ill enough to warrant medical attention, which they are NOT getting in their caged surroundings. They are not getting mental health services. They are not permitted to call their parents - who frequently do not know and cannot find out where their children are being held. They are being sexually abused. Some by the "guards," others by other children, some of whom are known to be predators.

Don't even get me started on the issues surrounding the MeToo movement, except to say that the WAR on WOMEN continues every day and that in the past few weeks women all over this nation have been re-traumatized by the ugly politics of the geriatric, white men of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Right now, the EPA - having been gutted of its scientists - is under perpetual attack, as corporations, more concerned about their bottom line than the air we breath, the food we eat and the water we drink, are getting a sweepstakes in the undermining and roll back of pollution controls designed to keep us healthy. Talk to the people in Flint, MI ask them if their water is drinkable yet.

The office within the WH that coordinated policy on cyber-attacks on our nation's voting grid has been decimated by John Bolton. I'm sure the Russians are pleased.

So pardon me if I'm not dancing in the street with a glass of Dom Perignon in my hand. It is this kind of "whew, we're almost there" rhetoric that makes people sit back, thinking that we've accomplished something and becoming complacent about the future. The operative word here is "almost."

We are "almost" one vote away from the repeal of Roe v. Wade.

We are "almost" one vote away from seeing minority rule by the rich, white, privileged, self-entitled elite.

We are "almost" one vote away from being told that a sitting president in above the law, and therefore, untouchable, by justice.

zanana1

(6,532 posts)
53. I'm a 66 year-old woman.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:10 AM
Sep 2018

I've had to deal with sexual harassment and molestation all my life. ENOUGH ALREADY!

yellowdogintexas

(23,763 posts)
55. Yep beginning with the high school sociopath
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:58 AM
Sep 2018

Every high school has at least one. He cornered a friend and me and literally backed us into a corner then like lightening grabbed our breasts. Then ran. We reported him, he got his licks with the really bad paddle (the one with holes in it) which he laughed at. Another friend heard her name called as she was going into the gym and turned to see who it was, and he was standing in the door to the men's shower room, stark naked. I have no doubt that he raped some woman somewhere. This was in the "morning devotional" days, and I'm sorry but required prayer and Bible in the classroom had no impact on him or any other of the really scary bad boys who were in our very small school.

Every woman has been catcalled by construction workers. Do they still do this? I have not had to walk through a construction zone in a long time. Back in the Stone Age when I did, it seemed that the workers considered it their absolute right (even responsibility) to verbally harass us and make us feel demoralized and afraid even in broad daylight with lots of people around.

Every woman has had the office creep, who makes slimy remarks and just manages to keep from crossing the line.

Every woman has had a date who assumed you should be so grateful you would do whatever he wanted.



Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
59. I am sorry for the pain you have had to endure.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:09 PM
Sep 2018

I feel like all across this nation, women are being re-traumatized this week and it sickens me.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,296 posts)
4. Less WHINING might result in MORE SEATS for our party, so yes, thanks.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:54 PM
Sep 2018

I sure hope we take back the house and senate.

Because even when we vote we have to overcome voter obstruction and suppression along with the KGB or GRU if you insist HELPING the gop, the GOP now works with our enemy.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
7. Gerrymandering has NO impact on getting a majority in the Senate
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:58 PM
Sep 2018

You can't gerrymander a senate race.

quakerboy

(14,907 posts)
48. I mean, states are kinda the ultimate gerrymander
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:42 PM
Sep 2018

Wyoming and California each getting two senators? Im pretty sure not even the craziest gerrymandered house district approaches the inequality/unfairness of representation that that is.

yellowdogintexas

(23,763 posts)
56. that is NOT gerrymandering. If the Senate races were for
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:07 AM
Sep 2018

different areas within the state, then you could say that.

In a statewide election, regardless of the office, the winner is the one who gets the most votes state wide who wins.

House, yes; state legislature (both houses) yes. District courts, State Boards of Education, yes. Local jurisdictions not so much because they are not drawn by the State Legislature.

Two Senators for every state was supposed to counterbalance the population based House. States with low populations and only one House district would have really bad representation if the senate were also proportionate to population.

At least we the people can vote on them. Originally the State Legislature and the Governor decided this We would be SOL this year in Texas if this were still true. I shudder at the thought of more like Rafael and Cornyn in the US Senate because we have a huge population.

quakerboy

(14,907 posts)
58. You make my point:
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:37 PM
Sep 2018

:manipulate the boundaries of (an electoral constituency) so as to favor one party or class.
:achieve (a result) by manipulating the boundaries of an electoral constituency.

Grasswire2

(13,849 posts)
8. welcome to DU
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:59 PM
Sep 2018

Despite gerrymandering, we are the massive majority.

It's all about GOTV.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
10. Gutting the voting rights act actually is the hill to climb
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:01 PM
Sep 2018

You cannot change state borders.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
16. It is statistically a 5% hill nationally for the House, so quite scaleable! Welcome to DU.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:27 PM
Sep 2018

Lucky Luciano

(11,875 posts)
13. Good for the dems. I have been highly critical with...
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:12 PM
Sep 2018

...their performance re confrontations with the thugs, but they have done well here.

 

FromTheAshes

(128 posts)
17. PLUS they damn well knew they were nominating someone who is a political operative with
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:28 PM
Sep 2018

closets full of skeletons...HOW FUCKING DARE THEY.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
32. Easy.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:38 PM
Sep 2018

He was the only one crooked enough to "pre-judge" the Mueller Investigation and pre-agree to bail Trump out. Trump wanted him...he was NOT on the list of the conservatives. Only a crooked judge would agree to that.

Gothmog

(182,138 posts)
43. McConnell warned trump but trump ignored this warning
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 06:07 PM
Sep 2018

McConnell will be saying "I told you so" soon

BadGimp

(4,109 posts)
19. Trump and his minions forced Kennedy out - so they could replace him...
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:34 PM
Sep 2018

They are playing the long game as usual and winning.

 

Azathoth

(4,677 posts)
20. Credit really goes to the women who are braving right-wing hate by speaking out
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:38 PM
Sep 2018

Dems have done what they could, but they're really spectators here.

DownriverDem

(7,026 posts)
22. Saying the same thing
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:54 PM
Sep 2018

When folks kept saying they aren't fighting enough, I would point that when a party is in the minority, there is very little they can do. Too many folks acted like the Dems could stop the repubs. That's when I said that give the Dems the minority and watch them take up all the issues we care about.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
34. They didn't stop any SCOTUS judges or the ACA when they were in the minority.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:39 PM
Sep 2018

It wasn't until they got a majority in 2010 in the House and 2014 in the Senate that they were able to really stop things.

C_U_L8R

(49,539 posts)
26. Kennedy really blew it.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:05 PM
Sep 2018

Tarnish his whole career on the bench for some self-serving bullshit. He should have known better.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
29. Hell yes we must have our Dems' backs
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:24 PM
Sep 2018

GOTV! And yay for Mazie Hirono, Diane Feinstein, and Kamala Harris!

BigmanPigman

(55,530 posts)
31. Call them and thank them for their hard work...they need encouragement
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:30 PM
Sep 2018

like everyone else.
(202)224-3121 DC Senate directory.

Johnny2X2X

(24,439 posts)
35. What if Kennedy takes back his intent to retire?
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:43 PM
Sep 2018

Kennedy retired after being bribed by Trump and with the agreement that he'd be able to pick his own replacement, now that his hand picked replacement is going down in flames maybe he could change his mind about retiring altogether.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
38. I would like to know how plausible that is.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 04:13 PM
Sep 2018

Are there any rules against it? Has he officially stepped down and would have to be re appointed if he did? My understaning is there have already been a couple major 4 4 rulings so reversing his retirement might need a new confirmation as he is officially off the court now.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
39. Yes! I'm so shocked! And so PROUD of them! They're doing everything they can.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 04:16 PM
Sep 2018

No more stereotypical Dems, letting the Republicans walk all over us.

Gothmog

(182,138 posts)
41. The Senate Democrats have done an amazing job fighting this nomination
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 06:05 PM
Sep 2018

The Democrats had no real tools to use but have managed to put this nomination into doubt and generate a pink wave for the midterms

Good job.

cbreezen

(694 posts)
51. Ignore the skeptics...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:25 AM
Sep 2018

I was thinking 50/50 last week. I think the odds in his favor a diminishing...

Thank you Christine!!!

KPN

(17,512 posts)
54. I get your point. But it's not about the present, it's about the past.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:45 AM
Sep 2018

If we can be honest about ourselves, we would all admit that sometimes we simply do not possess the same degree of unconscionable ruthlessness that propels the GOP. We are thoughtful, tolerant folks in comparison. That is normally a good thing, except when it results in unintended harm to real people. So let's be honest here. We are -- and have been for quite some time -- at war politically with an enemy that would like nothing better than to permanently cripple any political force that is left of today's "conservatives". Bringing anything less than what we've brought to the Kavanaugh battle will -- and has -- beat/beaten us at many turns.

Yeah, Democrats are putting up a heck of a fight right now. Let's just make sure we continue to do so in the future -- on every issue.

INdemo

(7,024 posts)
57. True Democrats have finally shown backbone
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:19 PM
Sep 2018

So why in the hell didn't the Democrats fight this hard when McConnell refused to give Judge Merrick Garland a hearing and conformation vote when this was a violation of the Senate rules and an absolute violation of the
U S Constitution.
If Democrats would have fought this hard in 2010,2012 when Republicans blamed them for the Bush recession and the bank collapse maybe they could have held the house.
And
Im convinced Republicans didn't win the Senate majority in 2014 ,it was just too damn easy for them So good chance the Russians were involved in the 2014 election and McConnell's comeback to win reelection.

So its good to see Democrats have finally woke up..
Lets see what happen the Red State Democrats? I hope they make us proud.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
60. The people that bashed Dems when Kennedy retired
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:30 PM
Sep 2018

will find another reason to bash Dems. They always do. They want things perfectly their way, 95% their way is not good enough.

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