Rethugs need KKKavanaughty to overturn "separate sovereigns" so they can be pardoned without fear

[diva77]

of indictment at the state level for the same crime.

Gamble vs. United States was placed on SC docket the day after inJustice KKKennedy resigned.

Tweets posted by DU'er Roland99 here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11170155

The case, Gamble vs. United States is about whether the Supreme Ct. should overrule the "separate sovereigns" exception to the double jeopardy clause.

i.e., this case could give Dump the ability to pardon anybody without worrying about being tried for the same crime by a state.


...so if you're a rethug, your only salvation in the near future is KKKavanaughty's vote to overturn "separate sovereigns"

[lindysalsagal]

1. Holy crap. No wonder they found this derelict an promoted him: He sold what's left of his soul to th

the devil: Mitch McConnell.

[avebury]

2. If they get away with it than Mueller should turn over everything he

has that could be used by the State of NY because they for sure would go after Trump and his family. He should give any state the first bite of the apple for prosecution that will file charges.

[Jarqui]

3. Oren Hatch weighed in on this case

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/17/17-646/63337/20180911145348110_17-646%20tsac%20Senator%20Orrin%20Hatch.pdf

For the foregoing reasons, amici respectfully urge that the Court overrule its holdings in Bartkus and Abbate and put to rest the dual sovereignty exception to the Double Jeopardy Clause as applied to subsequent federal-state or state-federal prosecutions.

How Putin's oligarchs funneled millions into GOP campaigns
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/08/putins-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns

GOP campaigns took $7.35 million from oligarch linked to Russia ..
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/03/tangled-web-connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns

House majority leader to colleagues in 2016: 'I think Putin pays' Trump ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.6470a8dc5705

So if they knock off this law and Trump pardons his family and everyone else, they cannot get at many of the GOP at a state level.

That would explain why they must get Kavanaugh voted in now - to save their collective asses from Mueller with this pending case. (restating the top post ...)

[diva77]

17. Wow! The actual docket pdf - thanks for posting

[BigmanPigman]

4. I read this twice last night on DU and didn't know what it meant.

Thank you for explaining it to me. I feel like despite having two degrees (one in teaching) I don't understand all the Poli Sci, Civics, Law, History, etc that I need to in order to follow what has been going on for the past two years.

[diva77]

8. I don't completely understand it myself -- the person who created the tweet explained it.

[PoliticAverse]

5. What do you think they would be pardoned for at the federal level that would be a state crime...

that would fall under the double jeopardy clause? Income tax evasion wouldn't because state income tax
evasion is a completely separate crime than federal income tax evasion.

[diva77]

7. I hope someone more knowledgeable than I will weigh in on the question you raise

I'd like to know the answer as well...

[Bradshaw3]

6. Hope Rachel is on this - needs to be front and center

Very important point.

[Nevilledog]

9. Has no effect on being convicted in state court on state crimes.

Just let the states have them, without Federal charges. Gamble won't apply.


I'd charge them federally first, with charges that would not be violation of state law..... If they got pardoned at the federal level the states could proceed on charges unrelated to the Fed crimes.

[diva77]

11. Thanks, Nevilledog. Could you give an example of some of the state crimes that rethugs

could be accused of that would still be unpardonable if Gamble were to go in the wrong direction?

[Nevilledog]

12. Fraud and taxes to name two.

Just think of it as who the "victim" of the crime is..... Cheat on your federal taxes, federal crime. Cheat on your state taxes, state crime. I'd charge them with federal only crimes first.... You know like treason. That doesn't have a state crime applicable.

Easy way to say it is.... If you can't prove one without the other you're looking at double jeopardy.

[diva77]

13. very helpful - I appreciate the explanation!

[Nevilledog]

14. No problem

[Anon-C]

10. Agree. I believe their far-right rhetoric and think they want to "purge" and be able to pardon the..

...those participating in the Russian style pogrom.

[Roland99]

15. I've posted those tweets in replies to several senators and several key Twitter news posters

Here's a tweet from Captain Hilts that, to me, proves my premise:

Link to tweet

[diva77]

16. very interesting update! thanks for posting!!