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Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:03 PM

 

Will Kavanaugh be confirmed?

What is your feelings on this? I believe President Trump will be forced to pull his nomination. Up until a few days ago I thought Kavanugh was a shoe in. Amy Coney Barrett will be put up next and then hopefully there’s a fight to shoot her down as well.

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Reply Will Kavanaugh be confirmed? (Original post)
Sidthelib Sep 2018 OP
Raster Sep 2018 #1
Freddie Sep 2018 #2
grantcart Sep 2018 #14
mountain grammy Sep 2018 #17
BeckyDem Sep 2018 #3
Freethinker65 Sep 2018 #4
grantcart Sep 2018 #15
Jersey Devil Sep 2018 #5
MichMan Sep 2018 #6
grantcart Sep 2018 #16
RockRaven Sep 2018 #7
safeinOhio Sep 2018 #8
ooky Sep 2018 #11
bitterross Sep 2018 #13
moonscape Sep 2018 #44
lapfog_1 Sep 2018 #9
wcmagumba Sep 2018 #10
bitterross Sep 2018 #12
marlakay Sep 2018 #33
Wounded Bear Sep 2018 #18
Charlotte Little Sep 2018 #19
Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #28
Hugin Sep 2018 #39
StarryNite Sep 2018 #42
budkin Sep 2018 #20
Lucinda Sep 2018 #21
onenote Sep 2018 #22
Vinca Sep 2018 #23
MineralMan Sep 2018 #24
Zambero Sep 2018 #25
Charlotte Little Sep 2018 #30
Zambero Sep 2018 #32
underpants Sep 2018 #26
unitedwethrive Sep 2018 #29
Va Lefty Sep 2018 #27
davekriss Sep 2018 #31
Natron Sep 2018 #34
Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2018 #35
DFW Sep 2018 #36
liberal N proud Sep 2018 #37
INdemo Sep 2018 #38
Meadowoak Sep 2018 #40
VOX Sep 2018 #41
FloridaBlues Sep 2018 #43

Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:05 PM

1. I do not believe KavaNO will be confirmed.

I think public pressure and that of most legal-affiliated organizations will protest. Simply put, KavaNO appeared incredibly partisan and certainly not even-tempered.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:08 PM

2. John Roberts must be shitting his pants

I sure don’t agree with him on many (or most) things but he says he doesn’t want SCOTUS to be so political - ha. Bye-bye legacy.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:52 PM

14. Agree and this is the X factor

It's pretty clear that Roberts wants a center right court that is not overly politicized as it would undermine the credibility of the court.

I am guessing that he is making his views known to key senators

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Response to Freddie (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 01:00 PM

17. He's hanging by a thread as it is on that legacy thing

Citizens' United for one.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:10 PM

3. We have a chance to stop him either now or after he is confirmed.

I would prefer to see Dems approach this on multiple fronts, and to include perjury charges as well as Fords credible account of the attack. We need to remind the public that Republicans hid documents on Kavanaugh and we should be bringing that up at every turn to increase public support for waiting until after the election.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:12 PM

4. If his nomination is not pulled, he will be confirmed

McConnell will be counting votes. Manchin and Collins and Flake will vote as a block... they all wanted to vote yes but did not want to pay a political price for it. Murkowski might not matter.

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:53 PM

15. I don't think Collins will split from Murkowski

Murkowski has to vote no

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:12 PM

5. He will be confirmed

No amount of inconsistencies in his testimony or proof of boozing or lying, short of actual eyewitness proof of sexual assault, will mean a damned thing to Republicans. It's not about morality. It's about power.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:16 PM

6. Someone needs to be ready for Amy Barrett

There needs to be a concerted effort to dig up anything incriminating on Amy Barrett in case she is next up

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Response to MichMan (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:54 PM

16. Yep

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:16 PM

7. A "no" answer depends upon Collins and Murkowski doing the right thing. Not very likely IMO.

Trump won't wthdraw the nomination, nor will Kavanaugh himself. Nor will McConnell use procedural maneuvers to prevent a vote from happening. That much is clear.

So do you trust Collins and Murkowski to do the right thing? I don't. Collins is especially full of crap and disingenuous.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:21 PM

8. My guess and I'm not good it.

FBI will ask him to take a polygraph and he will withdraw his nomination when the do.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:27 PM

11. I think he'll decline that request and refuse to withdraw.

He is that arrogant.

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Response to ooky (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:46 PM

13. I agree with you.

 

He won't feel it is necessary for him to take one. He's the victim after all (that's sarcasm).

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:47 PM

44. I don't think he'll withdraw ..

He's not forced to take it, the report (which we will not see) will say he refused, Repubs will say it's not reliable anyway, and none of it will matter.

I believe he will be confirmed. Mostly because this is war and they are intent on not losing, no matter what. 'They' includes all of them ...

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:25 PM

9. Baring a video tape of him drunk out of his skull

and waving his penis at various women who want nothing to do with him... I think he gets confirmed.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:26 PM

10. He's already in...

they will not stop this crazed arrogant process...

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 12:44 PM

12. Kavanaugh will be confirmed.

 

The only reason Trump agreed to the investigation is so he and the GOP can use it as cover in the mid-terms. Whatever the investigation finds it will not be enough to stop Kavanaugh.

We will be stuck with him for some time. It will be nearly impossible to find 66 senators to convict him even if he is impeached.

Sorry to be so negative but I'm a realist.

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Response to bitterross (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:22 PM

33. Very unfortunately I agree with you

Anything they don’t like from FBI report will be hidden or taken out somehow. Flake is retiring and wants cushy job, sure he’s being told f this up and your black balled.The women senators are being threatened too.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 01:01 PM

18. I suspect Kavan-R will be our newest SC "Justice"...

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 01:16 PM

19. He will be confirmed

What so many folks are not seeing or refuse to accept is that the writing is on the wall. The fix is in and has been in for a long time. This is years in the making by the fanatical right-wing dark money holders in this country. With Putin on their side and a man as corrupt and evil as Trump, their stark, horrific worldview and destruction of America as we know it will come to fruition. (For example, just as we are all focusing on SCOTUS, 100s of children who should be reunited with their parents were moved to a tent city in Texas. Their evil knows no bounds.)

Two people everyone should be following on Twitter and listening to are Malcolm Nance and Sarah Kendzior. Both have been warning about this for the past two years and both are right. The only reason Trump has not fired Rosenstein (and ultimately shut down the Russian investigation) is because his handlers have told him not to worry and he can wait a bit. Kavanaugh installed means Trump will go nowhere and our country is basically gone. Also, do not be shocked when we don't win back the house or the Senate. My tinfoil hat is quite lovely, thank you, but I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that Russians hacked and changed votes in voting machines in 2016 and they will do it again this November. All you have to do is look at the pattern of behavior by Lindsey Graham and others to see that a large majority of the GOP is compromised, complicit, and actively working as Trump's flying monkeys. They have refused to give money to help secure our elections. They don't want them secured for a very obvious reason. And Hatch is trying to push through a bill that would make it possible for Trump to pardon state crimes. He'll get it passed and Trump and his kids will be untouchable. So will Manafort, etc. Roger Stone is cocky for a reason.

So, bottom line is: Kavanaugh will be installed, our institutions will continue to crumble and Mueller is not going to save us. Best we can all do is keep fighting locally - and definitely vote. The more of us who vote, the more obvious it will be they cheated. But cheat they will.

Winter is here for good, sadly. I'm already resigned to the fact that I will have work until I'm dead because Social Security will be gone. So will many of our rights.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:08 PM

28. Plus the Chinese and Dems will be accused of fixing the elections.

Putin has us, he aint letting go.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:43 PM

39. Well, you about covered everything in your eulogy.

This whole blasted cluster, um... thing-a-majig has pretty well dashed any small belief I may have held in Karma or any other balance in the Universe, divine or otherwise.

My only remaining almost imperceptible light like that of a distant star is that ultimately the Trump cult's interference in the legal framework of the United States judicial system may in the end make the unlikely event of one of the perpetrators of this crime against all which is good and just is successfully prosecuted a little more miserable.

Their scheme to be able to excuse state crimes which are also federal crimes ignores a truth which any ex-convict will tell you, serving time in a state facility is far worse than doing so in a federal lockup. And, there are a whole lot of crimes which are tried exclusively at the state level. For instance, until recently, murder was not a federal crime. I'm sure there are many more state only crimes Trump and his clan have had an indite worthy role.

So, in the end Trump will have made it uglier for everyone as is what he does best.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:41 PM

42. Very pessimistic...

and I'm right there with you for all of the reasons you stated. The fact the tRump is sitting in the White House after all the poles said it wouldn't happen, is proof that our process has been hacked and corruption is ruling our country.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 01:38 PM

20. More than likely

Since it seems like this whole FBI thing is a cover for Collins and Murkowski to vote yes.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 01:45 PM

21. Nope. I think he's toast.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 01:53 PM

22. Yes.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 01:56 PM

23. Most likely. I think Avenatti can throw a monkey wrench into things by taking his client

to a local police department where whatever happened happened and having her file a criminal complaint. Police departments can't pick and choose, they have to take what comes in the door.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 01:56 PM

24. I no longer have any prediction.

My previous ones have failed miserably. I fear the worst, though.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:04 PM

25. Given likelihood of even more unforseen twists and turns

it's impossible to predict without knowing what could still lie ahead in the next several days. Last week's day of Senate testimony alone could have been subdivided into four distinct news cycles (she said, he screamed, Flake's a "yeah", Flake revisits), each one bringing a shift in outcome predictions, only to be revisited again hours or even minutes later.

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Response to Zambero (Reply #25)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:10 PM

30. Doesn't make a dime's bit of difference...

...what comes out in the next week. It could be revealed that Kavanaugh filmed himself banging unconscious teenagers and or kittens at Yale and they will still install him. Nothing matters. Nothing. The GOP is not going to give up power and that is all this is about.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #30)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:19 PM

32. You might be correct

Without expressing optimism, I'll still hold out some hope that something of substance that is both damning and provable turns up.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:06 PM

26. Yes. They wouldn't miss this chance to appoint an operative on the court.

They'll do anything.

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Response to underpants (Reply #26)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:10 PM

29. Agreed. They are all over the Sunday talk shows this morning trying to make the whole thing into

a Democratic conspiracy. It's their normal playbook, accuse us of doing exactly what they are doing. We now know that there was a 'vast right wing conspiracy' trying to bring down the Clintons, and they strongly laughed it off and said we were paranoid at the time. Now, they are trying to deflect from their own decades long conspiracy to put strongly biased judges on all of the high courts by grooming them to seem fair-minded and covering up any controversies in their past.

It's hard to win against this game, particularly when it goes hand in hand with rigging elections.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:08 PM

27. Unfortunately, I think he's going on the bench.

republicans don't care about the truth. They care about the seat.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:17 PM

31. He will be confirmed

Not only that, he’ll write the opinion that rules presidents above the law and beyond the reach of investigation. Just to be triply sure, he’ll also write the opinion granting presidents the right to self-pardon.

This is just the latest nail in the coffin of our democracy. The coup started long before McConnell’s Merrick Garland stunt. I believe they knew the fix was in, that the election would be manipulated into a Republican win, just as I think they know now that the midterms are fixed thus public opinion about the Kavanagh circus does not matter. We’ll all be muttering again about the mysterious “red shift” after the election.

Our only hope is to GOTV in massive numbers, so massive that the neo-fascist right won’t risk manipulating too many polls. But at that point Kavanaugh will be seated and Trump will be safe to be even more Trumpist than he is now.

I o soooo much hope to be wrong!!!

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:26 PM

34. Yes

 

I believe it will happen.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:27 PM

35. I think he'll squeak in.

Collins, Flake & Corker will go along. I think Manchin will support (although he might vote "present" ). The only Republican we might pick off is Murkowski (although she might vote"present" ) It looks to me like the best case is a tie, which Pence will break by saying "yes" and Kavanaugh will be in.

Then Trump can fire Sessions and install Lindsay Graham.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:28 PM

36. I am cautiously optimistic that he goes down

First a one week delay. Now another. In Politics, this is the equivalent of letting grass grow over ground you'd rather not have exposed.

Yes, his next nominee will be just as bad, but this would show that we are not going to take every national indignity lying down--INCLUDING his next nominee. They wouldn't even give our last one the courtesy of acknowledging his very existence. Thy are due for some quid pro quo.

At any rate, Kavanaugh was not a shoe-in, slipper-in, boot-in or sock-in (I'm betting you meant shoo-in), and that alone will make the Republicans think about how horrible their next nominees can be before there is serious blowback.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:36 PM

37. The republicans will strongarm whoever they must

And in the end they will get their justice just in time to overturn a couple of key decisions on the pallet this fall.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:43 PM

38. I keep thinking about what I have read about the Rise of Hitler

One of the first things he did was to completely revamp a legitimate German HighCourt and appoint new Judges that supported his agenda-
So is this any different than the Nazi’s of 1933?
Kavanaugh If (confirmed) will spend his career seeking revenge against Liberals

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:45 PM

40. No, he will be pulled, too toxic, Amy Barrett will be confirmed.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:29 PM

41. For my own health, I'm going under the assumption that he probably will be.

I’ve had an awful run of various health issues since the 2016 election. I’m convinced that my ongoing anger over that debacle is chewing at my overall health.

If I already expect that smug little lying right-wing, asshole-baby will serve on SCOTUS, then it’s just more of the lousy shit I expected from our history’s worst administration. I’ll continue to quietly smolder, without jacking my BP up to 140/120

On the other hand, should “Bart” go down in flames, I’ll rejoice at the unanticipated pleasant surprise.

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Response to Sidthelib (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:42 PM

43. Depends on investigation my guess is no.

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