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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWill Kavanaugh be confirmed?
What is your feelings on this? I believe President Trump will be forced to pull his nomination. Up until a few days ago I thought Kavanugh was a shoe in. Amy Coney Barrett will be put up next and then hopefully theres a fight to shoot her down as well.
Raster
(20,998 posts)I think public pressure and that of most legal-affiliated organizations will protest. Simply put, KavaNO appeared incredibly partisan and certainly not even-tempered.
Freddie
(9,258 posts)I sure dont agree with him on many (or most) things but he says he doesnt want SCOTUS to be so political - ha. Bye-bye legacy.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)It's pretty clear that Roberts wants a center right court that is not overly politicized as it would undermine the credibility of the court.
I am guessing that he is making his views known to key senators
mountain grammy
(26,608 posts)Citizens' United for one.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)I would prefer to see Dems approach this on multiple fronts, and to include perjury charges as well as Fords credible account of the attack. We need to remind the public that Republicans hid documents on Kavanaugh and we should be bringing that up at every turn to increase public support for waiting until after the election.
Freethinker65
(10,008 posts)McConnell will be counting votes. Manchin and Collins and Flake will vote as a block... they all wanted to vote yes but did not want to pay a political price for it. Murkowski might not matter.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Murkowski has to vote no
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)No amount of inconsistencies in his testimony or proof of boozing or lying, short of actual eyewitness proof of sexual assault, will mean a damned thing to Republicans. It's not about morality. It's about power.
MichMan
(11,899 posts)There needs to be a concerted effort to dig up anything incriminating on Amy Barrett in case she is next up
RockRaven
(14,951 posts)Trump won't wthdraw the nomination, nor will Kavanaugh himself. Nor will McConnell use procedural maneuvers to prevent a vote from happening. That much is clear.
So do you trust Collins and Murkowski to do the right thing? I don't. Collins is especially full of crap and disingenuous.
safeinOhio
(32,657 posts)FBI will ask him to take a polygraph and he will withdraw his nomination when the do.
ooky
(8,920 posts)He is that arrogant.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)He won't feel it is necessary for him to take one. He's the victim after all (that's sarcasm).
moonscape
(4,673 posts)He's not forced to take it, the report (which we will not see) will say he refused, Repubs will say it's not reliable anyway, and none of it will matter.
I believe he will be confirmed. Mostly because this is war and they are intent on not losing, no matter what. 'They' includes all of them ...
lapfog_1
(29,198 posts)and waving his penis at various women who want nothing to do with him... I think he gets confirmed.
wcmagumba
(2,882 posts)they will not stop this crazed arrogant process...
bitterross
(4,066 posts)The only reason Trump agreed to the investigation is so he and the GOP can use it as cover in the mid-terms. Whatever the investigation finds it will not be enough to stop Kavanaugh.
We will be stuck with him for some time. It will be nearly impossible to find 66 senators to convict him even if he is impeached.
Sorry to be so negative but I'm a realist.
marlakay
(11,445 posts)Anything they dont like from FBI report will be hidden or taken out somehow. Flake is retiring and wants cushy job, sure hes being told f this up and your black balled.The women senators are being threatened too.
Wounded Bear
(58,620 posts)Charlotte Little
(658 posts)What so many folks are not seeing or refuse to accept is that the writing is on the wall. The fix is in and has been in for a long time. This is years in the making by the fanatical right-wing dark money holders in this country. With Putin on their side and a man as corrupt and evil as Trump, their stark, horrific worldview and destruction of America as we know it will come to fruition. (For example, just as we are all focusing on SCOTUS, 100s of children who should be reunited with their parents were moved to a tent city in Texas. Their evil knows no bounds.)
Two people everyone should be following on Twitter and listening to are Malcolm Nance and Sarah Kendzior. Both have been warning about this for the past two years and both are right. The only reason Trump has not fired Rosenstein (and ultimately shut down the Russian investigation) is because his handlers have told him not to worry and he can wait a bit. Kavanaugh installed means Trump will go nowhere and our country is basically gone. Also, do not be shocked when we don't win back the house or the Senate. My tinfoil hat is quite lovely, thank you, but I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that Russians hacked and changed votes in voting machines in 2016 and they will do it again this November. All you have to do is look at the pattern of behavior by Lindsey Graham and others to see that a large majority of the GOP is compromised, complicit, and actively working as Trump's flying monkeys. They have refused to give money to help secure our elections. They don't want them secured for a very obvious reason. And Hatch is trying to push through a bill that would make it possible for Trump to pardon state crimes. He'll get it passed and Trump and his kids will be untouchable. So will Manafort, etc. Roger Stone is cocky for a reason.
So, bottom line is: Kavanaugh will be installed, our institutions will continue to crumble and Mueller is not going to save us. Best we can all do is keep fighting locally - and definitely vote. The more of us who vote, the more obvious it will be they cheated. But cheat they will.
Winter is here for good, sadly. I'm already resigned to the fact that I will have work until I'm dead because Social Security will be gone. So will many of our rights.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Putin has us, he aint letting go.
Hugin
(33,112 posts)This whole blasted cluster, um... thing-a-majig has pretty well dashed any small belief I may have held in Karma or any other balance in the Universe, divine or otherwise.
My only remaining almost imperceptible light like that of a distant star is that ultimately the Trump cult's interference in the legal framework of the United States judicial system may in the end make the unlikely event of one of the perpetrators of this crime against all which is good and just is successfully prosecuted a little more miserable.
Their scheme to be able to excuse state crimes which are also federal crimes ignores a truth which any ex-convict will tell you, serving time in a state facility is far worse than doing so in a federal lockup. And, there are a whole lot of crimes which are tried exclusively at the state level. For instance, until recently, murder was not a federal crime. I'm sure there are many more state only crimes Trump and his clan have had an indite worthy role.
So, in the end Trump will have made it uglier for everyone as is what he does best.
StarryNite
(9,442 posts)and I'm right there with you for all of the reasons you stated. The fact the tRump is sitting in the White House after all the poles said it wouldn't happen, is proof that our process has been hacked and corruption is ruling our country.
budkin
(6,699 posts)Since it seems like this whole FBI thing is a cover for Collins and Murkowski to vote yes.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)onenote
(42,671 posts)Vinca
(50,250 posts)to a local police department where whatever happened happened and having her file a criminal complaint. Police departments can't pick and choose, they have to take what comes in the door.
MineralMan
(146,282 posts)My previous ones have failed miserably. I fear the worst, though.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)it's impossible to predict without knowing what could still lie ahead in the next several days. Last week's day of Senate testimony alone could have been subdivided into four distinct news cycles (she said, he screamed, Flake's a "yeah", Flake revisits), each one bringing a shift in outcome predictions, only to be revisited again hours or even minutes later.
Charlotte Little
(658 posts)...what comes out in the next week. It could be revealed that Kavanaugh filmed himself banging unconscious teenagers and or kittens at Yale and they will still install him. Nothing matters. Nothing. The GOP is not going to give up power and that is all this is about.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Without expressing optimism, I'll still hold out some hope that something of substance that is both damning and provable turns up.
underpants
(182,730 posts)They'll do anything.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)a Democratic conspiracy. It's their normal playbook, accuse us of doing exactly what they are doing. We now know that there was a 'vast right wing conspiracy' trying to bring down the Clintons, and they strongly laughed it off and said we were paranoid at the time. Now, they are trying to deflect from their own decades long conspiracy to put strongly biased judges on all of the high courts by grooming them to seem fair-minded and covering up any controversies in their past.
It's hard to win against this game, particularly when it goes hand in hand with rigging elections.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)republicans don't care about the truth. They care about the seat.
davekriss
(4,616 posts)Not only that, hell write the opinion that rules presidents above the law and beyond the reach of investigation. Just to be triply sure, hell also write the opinion granting presidents the right to self-pardon.
This is just the latest nail in the coffin of our democracy. The coup started long before McConnells Merrick Garland stunt. I believe they knew the fix was in, that the election would be manipulated into a Republican win, just as I think they know now that the midterms are fixed thus public opinion about the Kavanagh circus does not matter. Well all be muttering again about the mysterious red shift after the election.
Our only hope is to GOTV in massive numbers, so massive that the neo-fascist right wont risk manipulating too many polls. But at that point Kavanaugh will be seated and Trump will be safe to be even more Trumpist than he is now.
I o soooo much hope to be wrong!!!
I believe it will happen.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Collins, Flake & Corker will go along. I think Manchin will support (although he might vote "present" ). The only Republican we might pick off is Murkowski (although she might vote"present" ) It looks to me like the best case is a tie, which Pence will break by saying "yes" and Kavanaugh will be in.
Then Trump can fire Sessions and install Lindsay Graham.
DFW
(54,329 posts)First a one week delay. Now another. In Politics, this is the equivalent of letting grass grow over ground you'd rather not have exposed.
Yes, his next nominee will be just as bad, but this would show that we are not going to take every national indignity lying down--INCLUDING his next nominee. They wouldn't even give our last one the courtesy of acknowledging his very existence. Thy are due for some quid pro quo.
At any rate, Kavanaugh was not a shoe-in, slipper-in, boot-in or sock-in (I'm betting you meant shoo-in), and that alone will make the Republicans think about how horrible their next nominees can be before there is serious blowback.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)And in the end they will get their justice just in time to overturn a couple of key decisions on the pallet this fall.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)One of the first things he did was to completely revamp a legitimate German HighCourt and appoint new Judges that supported his agenda-
So is this any different than the Nazis of 1933?
Kavanaugh If (confirmed) will spend his career seeking revenge against Liberals
Meadowoak
(5,543 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Ive had an awful run of various health issues since the 2016 election. Im convinced that my ongoing anger over that debacle is chewing at my overall health.
If I already expect that smug little lying right-wing, asshole-baby will serve on SCOTUS, then its just more of the lousy shit I expected from our historys worst administration. Ill continue to quietly smolder, without jacking my BP up to 140/120
On the other hand, should Bart go down in flames, Ill rejoice at the unanticipated pleasant surprise.