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ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 10:22 AM Oct 2018

I posted this as a reply, but I think it needs its own post.

Last edited Tue Oct 2, 2018, 06:04 PM - Edit history (1)

It's about our democracy and how we are to keep it.

If Trump goes, our electorate is still primed to vote for another idiot to replace him. Because, as the Atlantic article below says, people are no longer personally familiar with the way a democracy works. About "regular order" and have no respect for it.

In the past, even as kids, we would join groups and organizations where there was an elected president and officers. Each one in the group would have a say but there were rules they all respected. Like Student Council for example. At every level and every stage in life, democracy would be seen personally.

Now there is much less of that, particularly in the under-educated. They are open to the idea that all of "them" are corrupt and need to be thrown out. Who needs rules and laws? Just get a charismatic demagogue to watch over everything and believe in his false promises! So much easier! Blind faith I think they call it.

This article is well worth the read: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/losing-the-democratic-habit/568336/

Democracy is a most unnatural act. People have no innate democratic instinct; we are not born yearning to set aside our own desires in favor of the majority’s. Democracy is, instead, an acquired habit.

Like most habits, democratic behavior develops slowly over time, through constant repetition. For two centuries, the United States was distinguished by its mania for democracy: From early childhood, Americans learned to be citizens by creating, joining, and participating in democratic organizations. But in recent decades, Americans have fallen out of practice, or even failed to acquire the habit of democracy in the first place.

The results have been catastrophic. As the procedures that once conferred legitimacy on organizations have grown alien to many Americans, contempt for democratic institutions has risen. In 2016, a presidential candidate who scorned established norms rode that contempt to the Republican nomination, drawing his core support from Americans who seldom participate in the rituals of democracy.

American government’s most obvious problems—from its dysfunctional legislature to Donald Trump himself—are merely signs of this underlying decay. The political system’s previous strength and resilience flowed from Americans’ anomalously high rates of participation in democratically governed organizations, most of them apolitical. There is no easy fix for our current predicament; simply voting Trump out of office won’t suffice. To stop the rot afflicting American government, Americans are going to have to get back in the habit of democracy.
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I posted this as a reply, but I think it needs its own post. (Original Post) ginnyinWI Oct 2018 OP
Outstanding and thank you! Ninga Oct 2018 #1
K & R Arkansas Granny Oct 2018 #2
thank you WI sister jodymarie aimee Oct 2018 #3
Thank you for posting this, it is great! redstatebluegirl Oct 2018 #4
Yrs ago --international study of children groups found US kids clubs 1st elected officers bobbieinok Oct 2018 #5
Great point jmbar2 Oct 2018 #6
Agree completely. When we regain power we absolutely must pass legislation to expel corruption, JudyM Oct 2018 #7
Thanks ginny ewagner Oct 2018 #8
Kicking for later reading! smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #9
For me as well. calimary Oct 2018 #23
K & R and thank you for this post mountain grammy Oct 2018 #10
So many voters don't see past their own need for "inspiration" or personal validation to ehrnst Oct 2018 #11
Every Generation Has the Responsibility to Teach the Next Generation About Democracy dlk Oct 2018 #12
Remember when civics was a required course in public schools? nt tblue37 Oct 2018 #15
I certainly do! ginnyinWI Oct 2018 #21
Republicans sell extreme individuality to destroy democracy. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #13
Well said. For decades Republicans used fear as a weapon. Then they got Fox. Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #17
K & R pazzyanne Oct 2018 #14
Plan A Vote Progressive in November spike jones Oct 2018 #16
It's Like the Trumpistas Totally Forgot Everything They Learned in Civics and American Government! panfluteman Oct 2018 #18
it's not only learning about it, ginnyinWI Oct 2018 #22
The US is an Oligarchy according to at least one study.... ut oh Oct 2018 #19
And here's how ck4829 Oct 2018 #20
You can not have a Democracy without highly regulating Capitalism. YOHABLO Oct 2018 #24

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
5. Yrs ago --international study of children groups found US kids clubs 1st elected officers
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:06 AM
Oct 2018

Doesn't that happen in the Little Rascals movies?

jmbar2

(4,904 posts)
6. Great point
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:27 AM
Oct 2018

I went to my local Democratic Party meeting last week and there were no young people. In industry, they spend 10 or more years training folks to replace those who are retiring to ensure continuity of operations. I am worried to see that we aren't doing the same with democracy.

When I asked the party folks about it, they shrugged and said, "I guess they're busy". They make no effort to recruit. In 10 years, they will all be dead. Who will take their place?

JudyM

(29,265 posts)
7. Agree completely. When we regain power we absolutely must pass legislation to expel corruption,
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:32 AM
Oct 2018

both to restore democracy and to publicly dispel the rethug false equivalency meme, which is killing us.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
8. Thanks ginny
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:44 AM
Oct 2018

Great article...good read...

here's a quote that bothers me...A LOT!!

For Democrats and Republicans alike, abiding by the old rules can seem a sucker’s game, an act of unilateral disarmament


The part that bothers me most is that it DOES feel like unilateral disarmament to stick to the rules, the norms, and traditions...and then watch the Repubs steamroll over us...
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
11. So many voters don't see past their own need for "inspiration" or personal validation to
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:56 AM
Oct 2018

understand what civic duty is, and what shared responsibility is.

Whether it's on the left or right, we have seen this lack of citizenship, lack of community, lack of the ability to work toward something that isn't tailored to our own user preferences.

I have no idea how to address that.

dlk

(11,575 posts)
12. Every Generation Has the Responsibility to Teach the Next Generation About Democracy
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 12:01 PM
Oct 2018

Democracy doesn’t thrive in a vacuum If Americans aren’t taught about what truly supports a healthy democracy, e.g., strong public schools, widespread enfranchisement, and so on. We are witnessing what happens when democracy is taken for granted.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
21. I certainly do!
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 05:27 PM
Oct 2018

Eighth grade Civics class!

I love The Atlantic, by the way! I subscribe to the paper edition.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
13. Republicans sell extreme individuality to destroy democracy.
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 12:04 PM
Oct 2018

Then, they inject our culture with a massive array of fears and doubts of everything.

Makes us easier to divide and conquer and it's working well for them in families, friendships, communities, companies and governments.

Thanks for the great post and link.....

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. Well said. For decades Republicans used fear as a weapon. Then they got Fox.
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 12:30 PM
Oct 2018

And without even a cardboard umbrella to protect the first amendment from being pelted and destroyed by hate speech. Just saying I am not surprised someone came along and wielded the weapon in one hand and Twitter in the other, without apology.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
18. It's Like the Trumpistas Totally Forgot Everything They Learned in Civics and American Government!
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 12:35 PM
Oct 2018

Or, the were asleep in class - or, the classes weren't required, as they should be. An educated and informed and involved citizenry is the only way to save our democracy.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
22. it's not only learning about it,
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 06:08 PM
Oct 2018

it is participating in some kind of group that uses it. To really learn and appreciate the value or conducting a group of individuals with civility, respect and order.

ck4829

(35,081 posts)
20. And here's how
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 01:05 PM
Oct 2018

1. Vote. Vote early. Vote often.

But wait! There's more...

2. There is a such thing as good identity politics. It's OK to be a liberal. It's OK to say that black lives matter. Yes, it's OK to be conservative... but don't base your conservatism on "liberals do X, so we must automatically do the opposite of X... to own the libs", that's bad identity politics.

3. Get good expert opinions. I don't know everything. You don't know everything. That's a good thing. You know what you know and there are experts who know some things you don't know. You may not know how corn prices in the midwest will affect you or about arms control policies on an international scale, that's what expert opinions are for, but you got to make sure they are sound and logical. No, the Flynn family are not experts. No, the Shoebat family are not experts. No, John Guandolo is not an expert. And no, Alex Jones is not an expert.

4. Remember the past without romanticizing it. It is the 21st century, no we're not going back to the 1950's or before the civil war. Not going to happen, acting like the present is some sort of hopeless situation will not be good for anyone.

5. Respect is earned. You don't have to agree with Trump or refuse to disagree with him because he is president. Same goes for guys like Franklin Graham, he has done absolutely nothing to earn any respect, but he rides his last name.

6. Be informed. Know who the candidates are. Know what the issues are.

7. Turn off Fox News.

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