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It's about our democracy and how we are to keep it.
If Trump goes, our electorate is still primed to vote for another idiot to replace him. Because, as the Atlantic article below says, people are no longer personally familiar with the way a democracy works. About "regular order" and have no respect for it.
In the past, even as kids, we would join groups and organizations where there was an elected president and officers. Each one in the group would have a say but there were rules they all respected. Like Student Council for example. At every level and every stage in life, democracy would be seen personally.
Now there is much less of that, particularly in the under-educated. They are open to the idea that all of "them" are corrupt and need to be thrown out. Who needs rules and laws? Just get a charismatic demagogue to watch over everything and believe in his false promises! So much easier! Blind faith I think they call it.
This article is well worth the read: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/losing-the-democratic-habit/568336/
Like most habits, democratic behavior develops slowly over time, through constant repetition. For two centuries, the United States was distinguished by its mania for democracy: From early childhood, Americans learned to be citizens by creating, joining, and participating in democratic organizations. But in recent decades, Americans have fallen out of practice, or even failed to acquire the habit of democracy in the first place.
The results have been catastrophic. As the procedures that once conferred legitimacy on organizations have grown alien to many Americans, contempt for democratic institutions has risen. In 2016, a presidential candidate who scorned established norms rode that contempt to the Republican nomination, drawing his core support from Americans who seldom participate in the rituals of democracy.
American governments most obvious problemsfrom its dysfunctional legislature to Donald Trump himselfare merely signs of this underlying decay. The political systems previous strength and resilience flowed from Americans anomalously high rates of participation in democratically governed organizations, most of them apolitical. There is no easy fix for our current predicament; simply voting Trump out of office wont suffice. To stop the rot afflicting American government, Americans are going to have to get back in the habit of democracy.
Ninga
(8,277 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,525 posts)jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)spot on..
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)Doesn't that happen in the Little Rascals movies?
jmbar2
(4,904 posts)I went to my local Democratic Party meeting last week and there were no young people. In industry, they spend 10 or more years training folks to replace those who are retiring to ensure continuity of operations. I am worried to see that we aren't doing the same with democracy.
When I asked the party folks about it, they shrugged and said, "I guess they're busy". They make no effort to recruit. In 10 years, they will all be dead. Who will take their place?
JudyM
(29,265 posts)both to restore democracy and to publicly dispel the rethug false equivalency meme, which is killing us.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)Great article...good read...
here's a quote that bothers me...A LOT!!
For Democrats and Republicans alike, abiding by the old rules can seem a suckers game, an act of unilateral disarmament
The part that bothers me most is that it DOES feel like unilateral disarmament to stick to the rules, the norms, and traditions...and then watch the Repubs steamroll over us...
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)calimary
(81,429 posts)This is one of those posts on which I want to take my time.
mountain grammy
(26,644 posts)Bookmarked.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)understand what civic duty is, and what shared responsibility is.
Whether it's on the left or right, we have seen this lack of citizenship, lack of community, lack of the ability to work toward something that isn't tailored to our own user preferences.
I have no idea how to address that.
dlk
(11,575 posts)Democracy doesnt thrive in a vacuum If Americans arent taught about what truly supports a healthy democracy, e.g., strong public schools, widespread enfranchisement, and so on. We are witnessing what happens when democracy is taken for granted.
tblue37
(65,482 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Eighth grade Civics class!
I love The Atlantic, by the way! I subscribe to the paper edition.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)Then, they inject our culture with a massive array of fears and doubts of everything.
Makes us easier to divide and conquer and it's working well for them in families, friendships, communities, companies and governments.
Thanks for the great post and link.....
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)And without even a cardboard umbrella to protect the first amendment from being pelted and destroyed by hate speech. Just saying I am not surprised someone came along and wielded the weapon in one hand and Twitter in the other, without apology.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)spike jones
(1,686 posts)panfluteman
(2,065 posts)Or, the were asleep in class - or, the classes weren't required, as they should be. An educated and informed and involved citizenry is the only way to save our democracy.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)it is participating in some kind of group that uses it. To really learn and appreciate the value or conducting a group of individuals with civility, respect and order.
ut oh
(898 posts)No Democracy here...
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
ck4829
(35,081 posts)1. Vote. Vote early. Vote often.
But wait! There's more...
2. There is a such thing as good identity politics. It's OK to be a liberal. It's OK to say that black lives matter. Yes, it's OK to be conservative... but don't base your conservatism on "liberals do X, so we must automatically do the opposite of X... to own the libs", that's bad identity politics.
3. Get good expert opinions. I don't know everything. You don't know everything. That's a good thing. You know what you know and there are experts who know some things you don't know. You may not know how corn prices in the midwest will affect you or about arms control policies on an international scale, that's what expert opinions are for, but you got to make sure they are sound and logical. No, the Flynn family are not experts. No, the Shoebat family are not experts. No, John Guandolo is not an expert. And no, Alex Jones is not an expert.
4. Remember the past without romanticizing it. It is the 21st century, no we're not going back to the 1950's or before the civil war. Not going to happen, acting like the present is some sort of hopeless situation will not be good for anyone.
5. Respect is earned. You don't have to agree with Trump or refuse to disagree with him because he is president. Same goes for guys like Franklin Graham, he has done absolutely nothing to earn any respect, but he rides his last name.
6. Be informed. Know who the candidates are. Know what the issues are.
7. Turn off Fox News.