Please go to the damned doctor!!!

[Drahthaardogs]

A plea.

We lost a dear friend to sepsis. She was young, healthy, and vibrant. She got sick with a UTI and instead of going to the doctor, opted for "herbal treatments".

Five days later she died in her husband's arms from sepric shock and massive kidney failure, leaving behind her devastated kids.

Go. To. The. Doctor!

A short course of amoxicillin would have saved her life.

This misinformation bullshit is ridiculous.Now those kids will never have a mother at their football games, band concerts, wedding, or graduation.

This sucks.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

1. Wow, that was an aggressive infection

Sorry for the loss of your friend.

[CountAllVotes]

2. This happened to me 6X last year !!

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= ER @ 3:00 a.m. only to be drug tested, questioned and treated like a piece of sh*t. If you don't go you could be dead in 45 mins. they say.

Now I have a home testing kit on hand and the proper antibiotics on hand as well.

In fact, right now I'm going through this AGAIN!

If you ignore it and try "natural" remedies it WILL KILL YOU.

Sorry for your loss & thanks for spreading the word re: this issue!

& recommend!

[OhNo-Really]

7. I always have a round or two of anti-biotics on hand. My Doc trusts my judgement

Women learn quickly the signs and symptoms of UTIs etc.

I wonder if financial strain kept the couple from seeking medical care?

Our system is an abomination.

[Crunchy Frog]

12. I'd never go to the ER for that.

I use the urgent care. I've been getting them fairly frequently lately, and I am using natural remedies to try to prevent them.

I really should get a supply of ABX though.

[womanofthehills]

61. In searching all the UTI and cystitis forums, many women said d-mannose is a great preventative

Works for me. Cranberry juice is too acidic for me. D - mannose is a simple sugar that supposedly attracts bacteria before they become a problem.

When I get a twinge of anything weird with my bladder, i take a teaspoon of d-mannose.

It's always a good idea to get a culture, because cystitis mimics UTI's.

[Crunchy Frog]

73. Yes, that's what I've got.

[barbtries]

16. thanks for reminding me

i have to get a new macrodantin Rx. I used to keep cipro on hand for stealth UTI's, but fluoroquinolones are not the 1st line defense anymore due to safety issues.

[CountAllVotes]

21. I have macrobid on hand

In the past I've been RX'd sulfa.

I have MS and this is part of this very not so fun disease!

But I look so good!

Glad to know you are on top of this.

It is nothing to fool around with!

[barbtries]

22. my first UTI

was when I was 15. I'm 63.

it's physiological in my case. I got treatment when i was 28 and lived about 10 blissful years without a single infection.

I already went to mychart and requested it.

[cab67]

17. I always travel with antibiotics.

One of the worst MSSA infections I've ever gotten was this past summer while I was in Europe. It was the first time in a long while that I forgot to pack my doxycycline. I (very stupidly) decided not to go to a hospital; it showed up only a couple of days before my flight home, and I thought dealing with the paperwork stateside would be as painful as the abscess.

I don't know if my life was in immediate danger, but by the time I got to an urgent care center, the abscess was as big as a golf ball. It left a big permanent scar.

(I would have acted differently had I not been [a] in a developed country and [ b] so close to my return time. I brought a single course of antibiotics with me on an 8-week research trip, and an abscess appeared literally on the flight over. So I ended up using the whole course in Paris during the first week, hoping I wouldn't get another abscess. Which I did - in Uganda, half a month before I headed home. Fortunately, I was able to find some doxycycline.)

Staph infections should be taken very, very seriously. I'm sorry this young woman has died, and even sorrier that the kind of misinformation environment we have led her to believe she could take care of her problem without modern medical science.

[marybourg]

32. How do you know which antibiotic

to take w/o a culture? My bugs seem to change & need different Rx’s.

[Ninsianna]

46. Broad spectrum. And finish the prescription!

[womanofthehills]

60. I would get a culture before I would take a broad spectrum

90% of the time UTI's are caused by E. coli which can be cured with antibiotics with few side effects. I prefer the older antibiotics myself. The broad spectrum antiobiotics like Cipro have horrible side effects. People with life long injuries from Floroquinolones (Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, etc) - refer to themselves as being "Floxed" and there are thousands of sad stories all over the net.

[Ninsianna]

70. There are plenty of broad spectrum antibiotics other than quinolones.

Why would you prefer older antibiotics? That's a bit odd. I prefer the most effective ones and a culture is not always feasible.

[dewsgirl]

84. Cipro, I thought was going to kill me about 6 months ago. Precribed for a UTI, I have taken them

in the past just fine. This time I was worse off for about a month after taking them, I will avoid them at all costs in the future if possible.

[CountAllVotes]

55. I've been cultured many times

& I happen to personally know the M.D. at the ER!

He dictated some real sh*t last time around & they are now treating me *semi-human* almost!

He cultured it again & matched it to macrobid the last time I was at the ER.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

59. I used to get UTIs 3 to 5 times a year.

It was ridiculous. But I am very pre-deposed to UTIs, kidney infections, bladder infections.

But a few years ago, my MD suggested two things ---- 1) cut down on caffeine and 2) drink a small glass of cranberry juice every night before bedtime.

I followed his advice. I haven't had a single infection in two years. That advice was a god-send to me.

Check with your MD, but I promise you, this works. It may take some time, but it is worth it.

If you can't take cranberry juice by itself, there are a lot of cranberry and other juices mixtures to try. My favorites are Langer's Cranberry/Raspberry and their Cranberry/Blueberry. Sometimes I even mix in a small amount of lemonade.

Please, at least give it a try.

[CountAllVotes]

78. I already do that

Supposed to drink 100% organic. The ones you list are loaded with other things but not organic cranberry juice.

[TuxedoKat]

83. Knudson's

has an unsweetened Cranberry Juice, nothing else added. I dilute mine 4:1 with water and sweeten with Stevia. Recently my local grocery started carrying another variety also unsweetened - Langer's, which is about half the price of Knudson's or your grocery may have their own brand of unsweetened Cranberry Juice.

[CountAllVotes]

88. Too late

Self-test came back +.

Back to the hospital in a few minutes. Luckily they managed to get me in before it turns into blood.

[mountain grammy]

3. Kick, kick, kick...

Thanks for posting. Just listening to a program describing how more and more people aren't being vaccinated.. 80,000 dead from the flu last year.

[eleny]

10. I heard a report about that on the news the other day

Last year's flu was especially virulent and the vaccine didn't deal with that strain. But this year's vaccine is on the job for the current flu type.

[Nitram]

18. Although last year's vaccine was less effective than usual, it did lessen the severity of the flu

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if you happened to get it.

[eleny]

23. I've had the flu a couple of times and it's a tough experience

Even your eyelashes seem to hurt. That was when I was in my 20s and 30s. Now that I'm older I wouldn't miss getting the shot. I can't imagine days of pain and nausea associated with the flu.

[Nitram]

24. I've had it too. Since I turned 60 I've been getting the shot every year.

My doctor is great. When I go in for my physical he always makes sure I get the shot. Also got the new Shingles vaccine.

[eleny]

27. Good for you!

I got the Shingles shot a while back. I always thought it was a painful deal but it's like getting a flu shot. Painless. My cousin's husband got Shingles and when I saw it first hand I called Walgreens that day and scheduled the shot appointment for the next day.

Be well!

[shanti]

30. Did you know

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that there's a NEW shingles vaccine called Shingrix? It's a two part injection. I got my first one in August and will get the next one in November. You have to ask for it specifically though. Kaiser didn't want to give it to me at first, said it was reserved for people with serious conditions, but I perservered and got it. It does make your arm hurt like the dickens, but it's better than shingles!

[eleny]

36. I didn't know!

I'm having a physical next month and will talk to my doc about it. She'll back me up if need be. Will tell my husband, too. Thx a million!

I can deal with arm pain like the dickens to avoid Shingles.
..... .....

[irisblue]

62. That emoji is funny

[erronis]

38. I just had the two part Shingrix shots. First was just fine - a slightly sore arm for a day. Second,

was a lot worse. Chills, fatigue, ditziness (more than my usual), aches for about a week plus.

Still, I'd do it again if it prevents me from getting shingles!

And based on my advanced age (not telling, but between 70 and 72), I'm also going to get my first flu shot.

[Separation]

44. At what age should you get the shingle vaccine?

[erronis]

45. I think they're recommending around 50+. Past exposure to chicken pox makes it more important.

My mother actually had chicken pox as I was born and I'm pretty sure I had it as a young child.

I hope I don't dissuade anybody from doing this vaccine. It is apparently one of the most effective ones out there.

[Separation]

47. No, I'll definitely be getting it.

I had the chicken pox when I was little, and I know people who have had shingles and it's not something I wanna mess with.

Lol Getting weird vaccines against Yellow Fever or other weird vaccines during my time in the military make it so nothing fazes me anymore.

As far as the pain after one, what I always did was drop down and bust out a bunch of push ups and followed by pullups. Never had any pain after doing that.

[shanti]

49. Ask your doctor

My son got it at age 35 (!) and he'd had chickenpox as a kid. He actually got it for the first time when he was on a Hawaiian vacation. It was in a line on his side from about armpit to hip. They used to say age 60 for the vaccine, but it may have changed with the demographics.

[CountAllVotes]

90. I cannot have the shingles vaccine

I have a compromised immune system. That vaccine could due a dirty on me and kill me. Uh huh ...

Check with your doctor *if you have one* to be sure!!

[eleny]

64. I had chicken pox as a baby and will talk to my doctor

Sounds like I'm at risk even though I got the first type of Shingles shot.

Did you start getting symptoms right away before you got home? I'm asking since I'd have someone come with me if it came on suddenly. We're contemporaries since I turned 72 last month. You youngster!

[Nitram]

42. That's the one I just got. I had the previous one a few years ago.

It is supposed to be much more effective. I have yet to take the booster shot. I did have a sore arm for a couple of days.

[shanti]

50. oh, sorry!

senior moment . I found out about the Shingrix right here on DU about May or so, but it was on the Senior Boards. Everyone should know about it though.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

31. K&R. Yes!

All we have to do is witness a friend have shingles and we never forget, especially if they have follow-up nerve pain as a further reminder. I got my shot at around 65 after witnessing it in a good friend and she really suffered.

Pneumonia, flu, shingles and now Hep C are crucial for my area, especially for us older folks.

Thanks for reminding everyone...........

[eleny]

37. !

[catchnrelease]

43. Get the shingles shot!!!!

I had shingles several years ago. Was misdiagnosed when I went to urgent care, so was in horrible pain for 2 more days until I got the correct meds. I have a high pain tolerance but I can verify it is HORRIBLE!! Had it on my forehead and down around my eye and nose. Luckily I seemed to have a mild case as no lasting effects and once on the right rx it only lasted about a week. But those first few days were enough to make me recommend to everyone--GET THE SHOT!

My dr at the time said I could get the vax 5 yrs after having the attack, so I did. Now am going to look into the new one too.

[Ms. Toad]

63. It's effectiveness last year was pretty much normal.

The effectiveness of the flu vaccine has only been 50% or above once since 2010. Last year's was 40%.

[Leith]

4. Damn Right

While we're at it - get yourself and your kids inoculated!

[dem in texas]

5. I have a sister like that

Puts off going to the doctor, when she does go, she argues with the doc. She is now in her 70's and she is falling apart health wise. The whole family is worried about her, but she thinks she knows best. Has a son in Colorado, he is not interested in her health or even visiting with her. Bad situation, I don't think it will have a happy ending.

[ck4829]

6. We need a healthcare system that prioritizes health over profits and power

Expensive antibiotics, medicines, doctor visits, hospital visits

OR

Cheap "herbal treatments" and "natural cures"

[Nitram]

20. I'm afraid even well-to-do people can fall for the herbal treatment, homeopathic medicine cult.

[erronis]

39. I hope you're not promoting alternative meds over evidence-based science...

I agree with your first bullet - "Expensive antibiotics, medicines, doctor visits, hospital visits" but hope you aren't recommending substituting "herbal treatments" and "natural cures" for a decent medical exam.

While the medical/pharmaceutical industry is gouging US, the pseudo medical types are doing the same with no evidence that their solutions work. Anecdotal and advertisement-based treatment is a sham. Do some clinical trials, double-blind experiments, peer-reviewed results before making your patients your guinea pigs and your cash cows.

I've worked with "integrative" and "complementary-alternative" medicines. The difference between the scientific methods of self-proclaimed healers and certified healthcare professionals is huge, and not complimentary to the complementary ones.

[OhNo-Really]

8. I am so sorry for your loss. ✨✨hugs✨✨

And thank you for sharing this. Perhaps some lives will be saved.

[renate]

9. I'm so sorry about your friend, and especially for her husband and kids

What a horrible shock. And so needless.

Maybe in her case she had good insurance and was only trying to cure the UTI naturally for philosophical reasons, but it's so sad to think of all the people who don't go to the doctor for financial reasons and try natural treatments because they can't afford a bill. Until recently this would have been me, too, trying to grit my teeth and power through it and trying to take care of myself at home.

I don't want to make this political, but in a country where getting medical care is so dependent on one's socioeconomic situation, what happened to your friend is way too common, and not always due to misinformation.

I am so sorry. It's tragic for everyone who loved and still loves her, and extra heartbreaking that her death was so preventable.

[sandensea]

15. +1

Affordability is definitely our biggest health care problem.

Even the Wall Street Journal is starting to sound concerned - if only because it's consuming the bottom line.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/does-health-care-need-to-cost-this-much-1533584842

[PaulX2]

11. Wife Made Me Go

A1c blood sugar 13.7 diabetes. For years was fine.

Thanks honey.

[shanti]

33. Jesus..

that's high! I hate to say it, but you probably weren't "fine" for years before. What is your A1C now?

[Puppyjive]

13. Orothexia Nervosa

My family has fallen victim to this horrible eating disorder. Parents have been bullied by my stepsister for years over the way they eat. My stepdad has cancer and she thinks her naturepath has cured him. Her neice is anorexic now, after living with her. Her daughter, who was born with part of her brain not developed, has seizures. She thinks food causes the seizures, so guess what? She looks anorexic too. Finally put my foot down and called her out.

[Ilsa]

34. Is social services helping her child?

Orthorexia nervosa needs to be added to the DSM-5. Your stepsister's case is so extreme. I hope the pediatrician has made the referral.

[C Moon]

14. Damn. That's frigging sad. :(

[Dave Starsky]

19. Friend of mine got it from a cut on his hand.

One month in the hospital, two weeks of which were in the ICU. Another three months in skilled nursing and rehab.

Do not fuck around with infections. ANY infection. Bugs are getting nastier and harder to fight. For God's sake, get it checked out.

[samnsara]

25. hubbys a pharmacist..that herbal stuff isnt even allowed in our house.

[Meowmee]

26. So tragic

So sorry for that😿 Many people do go to the doctor/ hospital and still don't get a diagnosis and treatment of the initial infection or the sepsis.

https://rorystauntonfoundationforsepsis.org/

[womanofthehills]

65. My cousin's wife died in her 20's from sticking herself accidently with a sewing pin

Hospital did not diagnosis and treat her for sepsis until it was too late.

[Meowmee]

69. So sorry for that and for your loss

I read about this 3-4 months ago when I had a cut on my hand I was worried about which I ended up taking an antibiotic for. I hope they are improving the whole situation.

[hostalover]

28. Thank you for this. Sorry for your friend, especially if it was avoidable.

[elocs]

29. Natural.

Rattlesnake venom is natural. So is poison ivy.
"Natural" is too often an overblown marketing ploy that claims to deliver miraculous results.
Who would ever take any med that had the near non-existent scientific testing of "natural" remedies with their ancecdotal evidence for their claims?

[Dave Starsky]

57. Arsenic, chlorine, lead, and uranium...

Are so natural and pure, they're on the Periodic Table of Elements.

[AllyCat]

35. So sorry you have lost a friend.

I am all for herbal treatments for things. But if there is not massive improvement in a day or so GO TO THE DOCTOR! It doesn’t mean parasites or poor diet have taken control. Infection can happen to anyone. Seek medical advice for stuff. If they “can’t find anything wrong, it may be diet or parasites. Try your favorite herbal treatment after real medical issues are ruled out.

[Duppers]

41. Or see another physician.

A small percentage of docs do miss things.


Btw, I had to go to a medical school to be diagnosed.

[7962]

40. And we men are the WORST about admitting we need to see a doctor.

I get a physical every year. Mainly because when I was growing up, I cant remember HOW many times someone the family knew would die, and I'd hear my parents say "Well, they said if he'd just gone to the doctor when it started bothering him....."
Going every year doesnt guarantee anything, but it certainly doesnt hurt either.

[Honeycombe8]

48. Did she have insurance?

That's important, since many people can't afford a treatment plan without insurance, or without insurance with a low deductible. (My ACA deductible is thousands of dollars. I would hesitate to go to the dr. for what I think is a normal fever or whatever.)

I looked up homeopathic treatment for UTI. It said up front that anyone with UTI needs to be under the care of a health professional. The homeopathic remedies can be helpful, though, and help to prevent recurrences, I read.

So the sister wasn't following basic homeopathic remedies, either.

Get thee to a doctor, if it's something serious, like an infection. I went to an UrgentCare place for a dog bite on my hand that was way too swollen and red (infection). Don't take chances with infections. That's very serious.

[kag]

51. So sorry about your friend.

I lost my mom to cervical cancer when I was sixteen. Back then they didn't know the HPV connection, and women weren't warned to get paps every year. Still, if it had been caught earlier...

Another thing to be aware of with infections: An autoimmune kidney disorder called IgA Nephropathy. My daughter started running a fever and peeing blood. We and our doctor assumed it was a UTI, but the culture came back negative. Fortunately our family doc is excellent. He sent her to a nephrologist (kidney doc) who confirmed IgA Nephropathy. Antibiotics cleared the infection, but the kidneys will react this way with ANY infection (we will never know what the "original" infection was).

So, she started taking blood pressure meds at 18 to help keep her kidneys healthy, but any time she gets an infection (sinus, throat, respiratory, etc.) she starts peeing blood and if she doesn't get on antibiotics FAST, she could sustain serious kidney damage. Also, since ibuprofen (once my go-to drug for fevers) is cleared by the kidneys, she can't take it, at least not for a fever.

So, yes. Go. To. The. Damn. Doctor.

[Joe941]

52. Hopefully they won't play football...

[Doreen]

53. Herbal treatments are good for making your immune system

stronger and making illness more unlikely but usually do not cure a sickness if they. Herbal and modern medicine should be used together not separately. I am sorry for your loss.

[womanofthehills]

67. Agreed, marshmallow root and slippery elm can soothe your bladder while you are on antibiotics

Many people on here put down herbal treatments. it does not have to be black and white. Most of us are intelligent enough to combine treatments.

[Raine]

71. Exactly... nt

[McCamy Taylor]

54. I hope money was not a factor. Lots of needless death due to people can not afford to get

health care. Asthmatics who stay home and die. Heart attack patients afraid of the cost of an ER visit will bankrupt the family.

[jcsg]

56. That's what I thought about

I wonder what on earth she took that caused this to happen. So sad for the family.

[Drahthaardogs]

58. She had TriCare....yes, almost FREE healthcare

This is purely a case of stubborn resistance to modern medicine due to the bullshit put out there.

Waited until it was too late. Devastating.

[joshcryer]

66. Mariana Bridi died from the same thing.

UTI causing sepsis, wound up having her hands and feet amputated, but it didn't save her.

[panfluteman]

68. I Have Taken Herbs for Urinary Tract Infections in the Past, With Excellent Results.

I also have cured myself of infectious phlebitis with herbs and fasting. I hate all this sensationalism and propaganda. No talk here about the over one hundred fifty thousand patients per year who die from the side effects of prescription drugs. Heck, even the commercials for the drugs themselves mention death as a possible side effect. And by the way - TV commercials advertising prescription drugs should be illegal. Only one's doctor should be able to decide whether or not you even need a certain drug. TV advertising for prescription drugs violates the doctor - patient relationship; many MDs complain that these patients come into their office convinced that they need a drug they saw advertised on TV - and they know that if they don't give it to them, they will just go on until they find some doctor who will. Hippocrates is rolling over in his grave. The medical / Pharmaceutical racket is hopelessly corrupt. Just thought that I would present the other side of the story here.

[Raine]

72. I TOTALLY agree

lots of people don't realize how dangerous prescription drugs can be. So many drugs pushed at the pubic in extravagant commercials are withdrawn in a short time because they had so many horrible side effects along with death. It's no wonder there's such a prescription drug problem in this country, practically every commercial is for big pharma pushing people to demand their doctor let them have the drug they saw advertised on TV.

[panfluteman]

75. Exactly. I Didn't Say That You Should Never Go to the Doctor.

For example, I had a horrendous crisis of an infected tooth, with severe inflammation, swelling and pain the last time I was in Mexico that would have sent the average person straight to the emergency room. Luckily, I had a little bottle of Castor Oil on hand and massaged some of that Castor Oil into the submaxillary lymph nodes below the jawbone on the affected side. Castor Oil draws out pus and toxins, and that draining of the toxins from the lymph nodes enabled my immune system to overcome the infection, and within half an hour or so, the pain and swelling went down, and was totally gone by the following morning. I had used that remedy before for another abscessed tooth, so I knew it worked. However, I did follow up on that tooth, albeit a few months later, with a dentist when I was able to do so. Until I was able to get to the dentist, I was very aggressive and proactive with my dental hygiene.

Regarding pharmaceutical drugs, so many of them are just developed as a money making venture - there are usually older drugs on the market that work pretty well. and do the same thing - and usually without the horrendous sided effects. My teacher of Western Medicine in acupuncture school, who was a naturopathic doctor, ND, by training, said that 80% of the drugs currently in use were not in use 20 years ago. What happens? In spite of the animal testing and clinical trials, certain deleterious effects of the drugs become better known, and legal claims and lawsuits start to pile up. But never fear - if the pharmaceutical company has marketed their new drug aggressively in the beginning, they have made a ton of money, and the profits they have made easily outweigh the claims they have to pay out, and it's a winning venture - for the drug companies at least, but not for the victims.

So, if you're going to use a pharmaceutical drug, try sticking to those with a track record of safety and reliability that's at least 20 years old - preferably longer. At least everything is known about that drug.

Of all the positive things in my life, I am the most thankful for herbs and herbal medicine. Music and flutes would follow that closely.

[Drahthaardogs]

74. Please delete this crap

This mentality is what killed her. Starat your own thread if you want to tout this bullshit. Get it out of mine.

[panfluteman]

77. It's not BS. It's worked for centuries, and keeps on working

for those who are willing to work with nature. And thanks for your suggestion. Perhaps I will start my own thread, but I felt obligated to present the other side of the story here.

[Drahthaardogs]

80. The other side of the story is a dead woman

It's my OP and I want this OUT of it. Your opinion is not welcome here.

[Drahthaardogs]

81. No it doesn't

Influenza was the #1 killer before the invent of penicillin.

For the love of God I am a toxicologist who did my undergrad work in plant secondary metabolites.

STOP. THE. WOO!

[hueymahl]

82. Just wow

on edit, just wow.

[hueymahl]

76. This is one of the most ignorant posts I have seen on here in a long time

Like the poster above said, please delete. No bs herbal remedy cured your infection. Your own body did, as it has for millions of years. You just got lucky that your immune system could handle it - many millions died prior to antibiotics because their immune systems were not up to the task. The fact you took some overpriced ground plant-of-the-day had nothing to do with it.

To top it off, you conflate antibiotics with drug advertising. I have never seen an advertisement for antibiotics because there does not need to be one. You take them when your doctor says you need them to cure an infection. It is not patient driven.

There is no other side. There is reality, and then there is whatever crap the herbal and homeopathic quacks trying to sell you as medicine. And let there be no doubt - they are trying to sell you - and it looks like you bought it hook, line and sinker.

[SunSeeker]

86. The herb supplements market is also a racket, without any of the safeguards of pharmaceuticals.

Nutritional supplements are not tested for efficacy or purity. It is a total crap shoot what you are getting.

[Freethinker65]

79. Having had C. diff, I try to avoid unnecessary abx

However, when things get bad enough to require medical attention, I go to a medical professional who is aware of my medical history for diagnosis and treatment.

I have taken abx a couple of times in the past ten years.

[flibbitygiblets]

85. My friend in hospital, exact same situation

She's going to survive. But nearly died needlessly. And is actively warning others not to do what she did.

[CountAllVotes]

89. I'm headed back in a few

I don't B.S. around with UTI's.

Maybe cranberry helps but I cannot afford to take the risk given my medical history.

Nope.

[CountAllVotes]

91. Well, what do you know

Glad I didn't wait.

It seems I'm having a bout with diverticulitis. There is no bladder infection, hence no need for antibiotics.

Too strange and just another example of why you should seek medical care when you suspect something is amiss.

Diverticulitis = felt like I was going to DIE and yeah that is how bad it is.

[getagrip_already]

87. It's been posted that.....

The whole anti-vax, anti-medicine, anti-science movement was started by russian psy-ops operatives. It's part of their overall architecture to destroy our country and democracy.

It seems some people are very easily lead away from common sense by alternative appeals.

Sure, corporate medicine has its evil side, but so does the ant-vax movement.

I'll trust science and medicine over putin, thank you very much.

Thoughts for your friend. That certainly does have a devastating end for all.

[Glimmer of Hope]

92. On the cancer discussion boards there are some who are

Forging chemo and trying alternative routes that have no proven anti-cancer properties. It drives me nuts.