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pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:37 PM Oct 2018

***THIS IS AN EMERGENCY*** Don't anyone be lulled by Lawrence O'D's reporting tonight.

Last edited Wed Oct 3, 2018, 12:55 AM - Edit history (1)

True, the FBI is worried about the Dems being mad at their performance in this investigation, if D's come to power again.

But that does NOT mean they're doing a thorough job.

Rachel said tonight that Ramirez's attorney gave the FBI names of 20 people who could corroborate her story, but none of them have been interviewed. Also, Elizabeth Rasor, Judge's ex-girlfriend, has been unable to get the FBI to respond to her. (Meanwhile, there are multiple reports today of the investigation being wrapped up tonight or tomorrow.)

I'm paraphrasing, but Brian Williams said that he's talked to FBI people tonight who say that there has been only a very limited expansion of the original investigation, and the FBI is being hamstrung by the limits put on them. That they're not being able to follow leads they would normally follow. That they are being forced to turn away witnesses who turn up at FBI offices to give information.

Maya Wiley looked like she was going to cry. Frank Montoya said he hadn't been this upset since he'd handled a murder investigation of a 6 year old.

We need to get on the phones and email and continue till this is over. Flake, Collins, Murkowski, Manchin, Heidi (don't remember last name) -- they all need to hear from us tonight, tomorrow, the next day -- until this is over.

This is an EMERGENCY.

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***THIS IS AN EMERGENCY*** Don't anyone be lulled by Lawrence O'D's reporting tonight. (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2018 OP
Heidi Heitkamp. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #1
Thank you! pnwmom Oct 2018 #24
Thing is, and Rachel Maddow alluded to it, no one really knows what is going on. Hoyt Oct 2018 #2
+1 Kaleva Oct 2018 #5
But that is the point. They are being hamstrung. pangaia Oct 2018 #12
The report is not going to be released to the public. We won't know. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #13
Not by McConnel, but we'll get it. Nothing is secret any more. Probably good. Hoyt Oct 2018 #14
I hope you're right. But it's an FBI report. I don't think we've gotten any of those. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #17
I think you are correct JustAnotherGen Oct 2018 #35
Investigation aside, Kav lacks the temperament. And he committed perjury ecstatic Oct 2018 #3
Rec this! RiverStone Oct 2018 #15
when has that ever stopped us from electing a president, um, seating a supreme court justice? davekriss Oct 2018 #19
It stops us most of the time. None of this is typical. whathehell Oct 2018 #27
Republicans don't care about any of that. OliverQ Oct 2018 #37
Keeping this kicked up eleny Oct 2018 #4
knr triron Oct 2018 #6
The country is perilously close to coming apart at the seams. roamer65 Oct 2018 #7
I don't believe the country is coming apart. Not even close Calista241 Oct 2018 #8
So they thought in the former Yugoslavia as well. roamer65 Oct 2018 #10
The USA is a very different country than the former Yugoslavia. whathehell Oct 2018 #28
It was Separation Oct 2018 #29
It is whathehell Oct 2018 #30
That is true, though I would fear for the USA if Democrats don't take back at least the House in Nov OnDoutside Oct 2018 #31
Yes, I would fear that as well. n/t whathehell Oct 2018 #36
Which is why they will sit on the sidelines quakerboy Oct 2018 #18
This is what happened to Venezuela. secondwind Oct 2018 #33
Not surprised in the least Jarqui Oct 2018 #9
Indeed. moondust Oct 2018 #11
Some useful links... liberalmuse Oct 2018 #16
I don't trust any of them...so I am going to continue to CALL, CALL, CALL! BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #20
Thanks for putting all this calling info in one place! pnwmom Oct 2018 #21
A fellow DUer helped to get the info on the "iffy" senators. BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #22
I watched Lawrence but wasn't "lulled" Duppers Oct 2018 #23
I agree but it looks like your FBI is acting more like a KBG or SIG. arthritisR_US Oct 2018 #25
There is nobody forcing them not to take credible reports of crimes. Hugin Oct 2018 #26
Not true. They are following orders about this background investigation. They are not like pnwmom Oct 2018 #34
These reports are outside of any background investigation. Hugin Oct 2018 #38
By trump and the gop ramming this through anyway duforsure Oct 2018 #32
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Thing is, and Rachel Maddow alluded to it, no one really knows what is going on.
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:44 PM
Oct 2018

News reports are from unnamed sources. And like a lot of stuff with trump, people are likely just making stuff up — like they have inside info — that sounds plausible because trump and GOPers are corrupt and unprincipled. Some reports are that they’ve expanded the investigation, others say it was over by 10 tonight.

Personally, I’m going to trust FBI to be professional. If they didn’t interview someone because it was prohibited or there was insufficient time, the report will say so, or should say so.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
12. But that is the point. They are being hamstrung.
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 12:21 AM
Oct 2018

And the report will NOT be made public.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
17. I hope you're right. But it's an FBI report. I don't think we've gotten any of those. nt
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 12:38 AM
Oct 2018

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
3. Investigation aside, Kav lacks the temperament. And he committed perjury
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:44 PM
Oct 2018

At this point, he should be disqualified regardless of what the FBI uncovers! He's unfit, like trump!

davekriss

(5,425 posts)
19. when has that ever stopped us from electing a president, um, seating a supreme court justice?
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 12:50 AM
Oct 2018

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
7. The country is perilously close to coming apart at the seams.
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:49 PM
Oct 2018

On November 6th, vote for the state governments you want in power during the possible breakup of the US. I am voting straight ticket Dem.

In MI, I am voting to make us more like Canada so we could enter the Canadian confederation much easier.

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
8. I don't believe the country is coming apart. Not even close
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:59 PM
Oct 2018

People have families; and the vast, vast majority of people will not tolerate the kind of chaos a break up would bring.

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
10. So they thought in the former Yugoslavia as well.
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 12:03 AM
Oct 2018

I worked with someone who actually got out. It started before anyone there really could believe it he said.

He told when his parents needed to buy a used car, there were stacks upon stacks on money on the table to do it. In other words, hyperinflation.

It’s all riding on November 6th.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
29. It was
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 04:14 AM
Oct 2018

Until up became down, Russia has become our friend, alternate facts (lies) are the truth, and have you ever seen a sitting US president mock a sexual assault victim?

whathehell

(30,468 posts)
30. It is
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 04:19 AM
Oct 2018

still -- The differences between the USA & the former Yugoslavia are deeper than this abberation of a presiden

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
31. That is true, though I would fear for the USA if Democrats don't take back at least the House in Nov
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 04:24 AM
Oct 2018

ember.

quakerboy

(14,868 posts)
18. Which is why they will sit on the sidelines
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 12:43 AM
Oct 2018

When things turn from bad to very very bad.

Thats how these things are done.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
33. This is what happened to Venezuela.
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 04:45 AM
Oct 2018

Corruption in the courts, in the legislature, beefing up the military, etc.

NEVER think that this cannot happen here.

Jarqui

(10,909 posts)
9. Not surprised in the least
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 12:01 AM
Oct 2018

Collins, Murkowski and Flake need to get pounded by the public

The media needs to step up with clear, concise reporting.

moondust

(21,286 posts)
11. Indeed.
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 12:20 AM
Oct 2018

We don't know how many of these guys are out there pulling strings in corporate boardrooms:

" (Trump) May Not Be Good for America, but It's Damn Good for CBS" - Les Moonves, former CBS CEO and sex abuser

Wouldn't want anything to happen to their cash cow.

BigmanPigman

(55,137 posts)
20. I don't trust any of them...so I am going to continue to CALL, CALL, CALL!
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 01:02 AM
Oct 2018

CALL THE SENATORS!!!! NOW!
Have YOU called any senators yet?
If you did, THANK YOU!!!!

If you didn't, then JUST DO IT! Pleeeeeeeeease!

Call the Senate NOW! This means men too!
87% of the calls have been made by women...why is this considered a woman's issue? It is a human rights issue!
Call the Senate Judiciary Comm this week...

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/about/members
Call them and tell them that they will NOT get reelected by the majority of the US who is against Kavanaugh.
Call all senators and tell them that they are HYPOCRITES and you only vote for reps who have morals and values and who respect women. RESISTANCE WORKS!
Senate DC directory
(202)224-3121

Call the 8 "iffy" Dem and GOP senators too. Look at this link and read down the thread for all the local office info too.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1011&pid=2543

BigmanPigman

(55,137 posts)
22. A fellow DUer helped to get the info on the "iffy" senators.
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 01:11 AM
Oct 2018

I have had the most luck with their local offices. Sometimes they are "mailbox full" too. Last night I donated a few dollars to a request from MoveOn.org to help keep the protests going and their phone banks. I wish I could do more, I feel so frustrated!!!!!

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
23. I watched Lawrence but wasn't "lulled"
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 01:27 AM
Oct 2018

In the least...Outraged better describes my feelings.

arthritisR_US

(7,810 posts)
25. I agree but it looks like your FBI is acting more like a KBG or SIG.
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 03:05 AM
Oct 2018

It is not operating as an independent body from your government but as an administrative arm of the WH. Your laws appear to promote this usage and your democracy is now non existent. Dictatorship has taken over while everyone chases the next distraction/disruption.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
26. There is nobody forcing them not to take credible reports of crimes.
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 03:20 AM
Oct 2018


That they are being forced to turn away witnesses who turn up at FBI offices to give information.



In fact, that is their jobs and they are choosing not to do them.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
34. Not true. They are following orders about this background investigation. They are not like
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 04:47 AM
Oct 2018

criminal investigations and don't follow the same rules.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
38. These reports are outside of any background investigation.
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 11:33 AM
Oct 2018

They are independently reported crimes and should be investigated independently as crimes.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
32. By trump and the gop ramming this through anyway
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 04:43 AM
Oct 2018

And by a very limited investigation will fix it for them , but I can't see all the GOP Senators voting him onto the bench, and maybe even telling McConnell no vote this week or they'll vote against him. The ones that vote for passing him to the bench will be targeted by all women , and men that back their women at the voting booth's this Nov. , and many more now will lose their positions in Congress soon from this. Can't see enough votes , and if their is all hell will break loose again trump and the gop , and it'll be much worse for the gop soon. trump claimed unlimited scope on this which he lied, they were very restricted all along , and trump lied, again. He corrupted the investigation, and the gop are doing nothing against him doing that, yet. This will backfire badly for all of them.

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