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Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:49 PM

If Manchin is a yes, should he be thrown out of the party?

Not for freely exercising his right to vote as he wishes, but for voting for a nominee who showed under testimony that he is a partisan POS by attacking the integrity of Democrats.

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Reply If Manchin is a yes, should he be thrown out of the party? (Original post)
Doodley Oct 2018 OP
brooklynite Oct 2018 #1
lame54 Oct 2018 #2
TheCowsCameHome Oct 2018 #3
The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #4
violetpastille Oct 2018 #7
Liberty Belle Oct 2018 #36
LandOfHopeAndDreams Oct 2018 #40
aeromanKC Oct 2018 #5
Kaleva Oct 2018 #6
Blue_true Oct 2018 #17
Kaleva Oct 2018 #23
Anon-C Oct 2018 #35
Timewas Oct 2018 #8
procon Oct 2018 #9
sarisataka Oct 2018 #14
quadtetra Oct 2018 #16
procon Oct 2018 #32
quadtetra Oct 2018 #10
WeekiWater Oct 2018 #11
Autumn Oct 2018 #12
eleny Oct 2018 #13
underthematrix Oct 2018 #15
book_worm Oct 2018 #18
scheming daemons Oct 2018 #19
LAS14 Oct 2018 #20
mythology Oct 2018 #21
davekriss Oct 2018 #22
LAS14 Oct 2018 #24
idcdu Oct 2018 #25
Loki Liesmith Oct 2018 #27
Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #29
procon Oct 2018 #34
Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #37
Loki Liesmith Oct 2018 #26
BannonsLiver Oct 2018 #28
NurseJackie Oct 2018 #30
bearsfootball516 Oct 2018 #31
jalan48 Oct 2018 #33
Cartoonist Oct 2018 #38
wryter2000 Oct 2018 #39
LibDemAlways Oct 2018 #41

Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:50 PM

1. Let McConnell stay as Majority Leader: THAT'LL teach those DINOS!

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:51 PM

2. I'm not undecided - YES

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:51 PM

3. Exile him

to West Virginia.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:53 PM

4. No, but only because he counts as a Dem for purposes of who's got a majority

and therefore who gets to control committees. Otherwise he's pretty useless most of the time.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:56 PM

7. +1

By the record, the worst Democrat Senator is better than the "worst/best" Republican Senator. (Rand!)

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:33 PM

36. That said, he should be quietly told that for his next election he will be primaried,

Even if that's four years away, and that if he votes "yes" as the deciding vote he will not be given any plum committee assignments if Dems take back control of the Senate.

They should encourage him to get a sudden case of the flu and just miss the vote, since an absence is as good as a no vote.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #36)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:47 PM

40. It's 6 Years Away

 

6 Years is an eternity.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:53 PM

5. If only we had a few more Manchin's

McConnell would not have the gavel!!

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:53 PM

6. It'd be better to toss out all Dems who didn't vote Nov. 2016

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:07 PM

17. Or who wrote in "Bernie".

Let's get to the source of the current problem.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:17 PM

23. "Registered Voters Who Stayed Home Probably Cost Clinton The Election " is the source of the problem

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:30 PM

35. This.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:00 PM

8. Any Dem

Who votes yes for this ass hat is not a dem... no ifs and's or buts about it...

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:00 PM

9. How does that work... 'throw him out of the party'?

By fiat, do we get to vote, I don't recall seeing that done before. What is the procedure?

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Response to procon (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:03 PM

14. We will hold

A tribal council and vote him out of the party

... Unless he found the Senate immunity Idol, then he is safe for this vote

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Response to procon (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:05 PM

16. The other Dem Senators expel him from the caucus.

 

You probably can't stop him from registering as a Dem. But the other Senators can vote to expel him from their caucus and stop recognizing him as a Dem. As far as elections go, the DNC also refuses to recognize him as a Dem and refuses to support him in any way.

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Response to quadtetra (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:27 PM

32. That's a rather toothless option, maybe primary him out of office?

We might lose that seat, but other than a placeholder, what does he do for Democrats if he votes against theparty on critical issues?


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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:02 PM

10. Only if he votes for a Republican leader

 

If a Democrat ever votes for a Republican majority leader or speaker, then that Sen or Rep needs to be expelled immediately. But otherwise no.

Even if Manchin voted with Republicans 100% of the time, except when voting for majority leader, that's still better than a actual Republican that votes Republican including for leader.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:02 PM

11. No. NT

 

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:02 PM

12. If the women voters in his state decide to throw him out I won't hold it against them.

I don't have any say in the matter.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:03 PM

13. When he switches Party, then what

I don't know what should be done. Maintaining numbers helps maintain control of committees.

And that's terribly important as we see today with the Judiciary. How different things would be if we had a Senate majority.

So we live though this horror and then we vote next month.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:04 PM

15. no. Not until after we win the senate.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:08 PM

18. No.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:09 PM

19. So... as punishment... we're going to make McConnell's majority.... larger?

 


We need 51 people with "D" next to their names. We need a Democratic Majority Leader, because the Majority Leader controls the calendar.

Kicking a sitting senator out of the party's caucus, regardless how they vote, would be a very dumb move.


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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:13 PM

20. It's in our interest not to lose that Democratic seat in W. Va. If....

.... voting for K would be a strong factor in his keeping his seat, I'd go along with it. I'm gambling that a really awful conservative instead of, maybe, a morally respectable conservative is better than two or more conservatives of any stripe. We need to take back the senate!

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:15 PM

21. Have you seen how Shelley Moore Capito votes?

 

Manchin isn't my ideal candidate, but compared to who else gets voted for in West Virginia, I'll take him.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:15 PM

22. He should be voted out

But in the meantime treated as a pariah.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:19 PM

24. Didn't know much about Manchin. This thread drove me to FiveThirtyEight.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/

Pretty neat resource that I didn't know about. (This kind of breakdown. I did know about FiveThirtyEight.)

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:20 PM

25. Yes. Throw him with the Thugs.

 

Let's stop pretending. If Manchin votes yes, he's done, and if he votes no, his job is secure.

WV isn't that stupid.

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Response to idcdu (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:21 PM

27. You have it exactly backward

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Response to idcdu (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:23 PM

29. 0 Recs. for the thread, including you. I rest my case. Support Democrats.

For the record...

Summary of voting record: Senator Manchin opposes big business, environmental protection, financial sector regulation, gun control, hawkish foreign policy, foreign and humanitarian aid, humane immigration policy, taxing the middle class, military spending, domestic surveillance and supports taxing businesses, restrict money in politics, consumer protection, disaster relief, funding education, public health, labor rights and wages, lgbt rights, internet freedom, a robust safety net, higher spending, women's rights.

http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Joe-Manchin-412391

Sorry, now I rest my case...rebuttal?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #29)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:30 PM

34. Why does he even bother pretending to be a Democrat?nt

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Response to procon (Reply #34)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:33 PM

37. Many at DU attempt the same pretending, especially around elections...some know MIR is watching.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:20 PM

26. No

Hes a warm body. All he needs to be.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:22 PM

28. Yes for sure

Oh wait, hell be replaced by the fanatical, foaming at the mouth RWNJ hes running against? On second thought Id prefer Manchin, warts and all. Because I have a functioning brain.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:24 PM

30. Oh brother!


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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:25 PM

31. No.

I'd rather have a Democrat who votes with Trump 60 percent of the time than a Republican who votes with Trump 100 percent of the time.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:29 PM

33. Who knows. He may pull a Lieberman soon and then we can all hate him with no reservations.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:36 PM

38. We threw out Franken

I'm pretty sure he would vote no on Kav.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:39 PM

39. As long as he's in the D column

He contributes to a majority, should we win the Senate. That's worth more than getting back at him for his vote.

However, I hope every woman in his life gives him a long talk about his priorities.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:47 PM

41. Next to the acronym DINO there should be

a picture of Manchin. He's a turd, but as long as there's a D after his name, he counts in the D column numberswise, so he's at least a useful turd.

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