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Manchin's vote doesn't matter. They would still have the votes. Pence would be the tie breaker. (Original Post) LBM20 Oct 2018 OP
Correct. Him voting NO wouldn't change a thing once Collins went YES. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #1
So what? Scoopster Oct 2018 #2
Why? Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #5
He wouldn't lose his seat. Scoopster Oct 2018 #32
He could. Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #37
We need this senate seat Gothmog Oct 2018 #53
True Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #3
Yea angrychair Oct 2018 #11
And I'm sure Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #14
I'm sure rapist angrychair Oct 2018 #17
Whether Manchin Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #21
A Dem who voted with Republicans for an ANGRY DRUNK.... Bengus81 Oct 2018 #18
It makes no difference how Manchin votes Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #23
LOL...what makes you think he's getting re-elected?? Bengus81 Oct 2018 #50
He's slightly ahead in the polls right now Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #61
yeah that D after his name is all that matters. m-lekktor Oct 2018 #35
Collins vote makes Manchin irrelevant. Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #39
Yes, he is an unenthusiastic yes Zambero Oct 2018 #4
Manchin is 100% republican angstlessk Oct 2018 #6
He's a Democrat in a red state calguy Oct 2018 #8
BULLSHIT! He is a D in a red state. Not every Dem can be ultra liberal. Get real! LBM20 Oct 2018 #10
Supporting the party line at a time like this is not ultra liberal. Hotler Oct 2018 #25
End of the day, I ask myself, what does this guy stand for? onecaliberal Oct 2018 #36
please define "ultra Liberal' DonCoquixote Oct 2018 #38
Voting to keep an ANGRY DRUNK ABUSER off the SC is "Ultra Liberal"?!?!?! Bengus81 Oct 2018 #55
+1000 Bengus81 Oct 2018 #51
Agree... Mike Nelson Oct 2018 #7
"...and he might be a vote for impeachment...." bluecollar2 Oct 2018 #30
No it matters despite the fact that Kavanaugh would be confirmed anyway standingtall Oct 2018 #9
Would have just risked losing the seat, and he is still better than an R. A fool's errand. LBM20 Oct 2018 #12
Is he, though? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2018 #13
Yep easttexaslefty Oct 2018 #15
Forcing Pence to break the tie would have reaped benefits. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #16
I agree with you. Nevilledog Oct 2018 #19
Hell...at least make Republicans WORK as hard as possible for the vote..... Bengus81 Oct 2018 #57
What was the point? Does he think Trump isn't Thrill Oct 2018 #20
Then he should have forced it on Pence. Sqee Oct 2018 #22
We need to keep the seat? So he can support MORE of Trump's picks? WoonTars Oct 2018 #24
Funny how peeps keep saying that. And the fact that Manchin votes for TRUMP ideas more than Dem Bengus81 Oct 2018 #58
Manchin hell674 Oct 2018 #26
Funny how that works Jake Stern Oct 2018 #47
+1 melman Oct 2018 #49
Seriously.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #27
What exactly makes it better if he votes like a republican? LisaL Oct 2018 #28
I have less of a problem with his voting "yes" shanny Oct 2018 #29
Guess what? BlueStater Oct 2018 #31
The Optics of putting a Justice on the Supreme Court TDale313 Oct 2018 #33
If Republican v. Democratic is all that matters, HopeAgain Oct 2018 #34
+1000 True_Blue Oct 2018 #40
+1000000 LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #41
Useless denbot Oct 2018 #43
Please explain his lame-ass excuse that Blasey was "confused." shanny Oct 2018 #44
West Virginians will thank him for breaking rank and voting Republican Devil Child Oct 2018 #45
I seem to recall another Dem senator who voted with Team Elephant Jake Stern Oct 2018 #48
DON'T CARE HE'S STILL A PIECE OF GARBGE TO ME........... a kennedy Oct 2018 #46
The GO/p had the votes without Manchin Gothmog Oct 2018 #52
It shows a total disregard for half the human population. Coventina Oct 2018 #54
Yep Jake Stern Oct 2018 #59
Couldn't he just vote "present"? theaocp Oct 2018 #56
THEN MAKE PENCE BREAK IT... lame54 Oct 2018 #60
I think it matters. MGKrebs Oct 2018 #62

Scoopster

(423 posts)
2. So what?
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 04:29 PM
Oct 2018

FORCE Pence to cast that tie-breaker. Get him on the record voting to kill a fair & objective judiciary.

Scoopster

(423 posts)
32. He wouldn't lose his seat.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:37 PM
Oct 2018

It would show he has a spine to his constituents, instead of the lack of one he's showing now. He also wouldn't blow all his fundraising for the final month of the campaign.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
37. He could.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:46 PM
Oct 2018

Don’t make the mistake that people in West Virginia think like you do. If they did the state wouldn’t have gone for Trump in 16 by 42%.

Gothmog

(145,176 posts)
53. We need this senate seat
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 10:30 AM
Oct 2018

If we want to block future trump judicial nominees, we need to keep this seat

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
11. Yea
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 04:51 PM
Oct 2018

I’m sure the women and young girls of West Virginia will understand Manchin saying Dr. Ford was “confused” about her attacker and voting to confirm the drunk asshole that raped her.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
17. I'm sure rapist
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:46 PM
Oct 2018

And child molesters are happy that Kavanaugh will be there to here their side of the story.

That having a Democrat in the senate will ease a young girl’s mental anguish when they can’t get an abortion anymore after they are raped.

That they watched their mother die because they couldnt afford insurance after the ACA was repealed

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
21. Whether Manchin
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:29 PM
Oct 2018

votes yes on no doesn’t make any difference. It only impacts his re-election at this point. Who do you want to control the Senate, the Dems or the GOP?

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
18. A Dem who voted with Republicans for an ANGRY DRUNK....
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 06:36 PM
Oct 2018

To do 30+ years destroying basic rights for those not RICH. Watch what happens once this POS gets a SC robe on him. Going to be fair and balanced like HE claims he is?? MY ASS.............

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
23. It makes no difference how Manchin votes
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:32 PM
Oct 2018

Collins put it over the top. His vote will only impact his re-election. So do you want the GOP to stay in control of the Senate just to make a useless political point?

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
50. LOL...what makes you think he's getting re-elected??
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 10:14 AM
Oct 2018

And if he does and want does it matter,he votes with Republicans for Trumps ideas 61-71% of the time. He voted overwhelmingly for Scott Pruitt to run the EPA. He's pro life,he voted to start GUTTING Dodd-Frank so we can go through another Bush Wall St. disaster in the coming years. He thinks those Trump tariffs are great. He opposes gay marriage--the ONLY Dem Senator and is opposed to same sex marriage. The NRA gave him an A rating six years ago.

This guy is no Democrat........

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
61. He's slightly ahead in the polls right now
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:09 PM
Oct 2018

and while he may be conservative, he is still a Democrat. Right now we need every seat. Or would you rather the GOP continue to control the Senate? We have to consider the bigger picture and not get hung up on an irrelevant vote.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
4. Yes, he is an unenthusiastic yes
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 04:29 PM
Oct 2018

With the outcome of the nomination now assured, keeping a red state seat in the Democratic column becomes the order of the day.

calguy

(5,306 posts)
8. He's a Democrat in a red state
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 04:46 PM
Oct 2018

He has to vote accordingly. I can't blame hum. If Collins had voted no he would have also.

Hotler

(11,421 posts)
25. Supporting the party line at a time like this is not ultra liberal.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:21 PM
Oct 2018

A real democrat would stand up and no. And it wouldn't take a week to think about it.

onecaliberal

(32,852 posts)
36. End of the day, I ask myself, what does this guy stand for?
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:45 PM
Oct 2018

The answer is himself. Joe Manchin cares about Joe Manchin. Not his state, his so called party and definitely not his country. He needs to go.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
38. please define "ultra Liberal'
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:46 PM
Oct 2018

Because it used to be that defending women and saying "no I will not support people who want to return the days of coat hangers and grabbing in the office" was not ultra liberal, but simply liberal.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
55. Voting to keep an ANGRY DRUNK ABUSER off the SC is "Ultra Liberal"?!?!?!
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 10:52 AM
Oct 2018

Gawd...don't even know where to start with that one......

Mike Nelson

(9,954 posts)
7. Agree...
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 04:34 PM
Oct 2018

… he's deprived Pence of his big moment. I like that - and he might be a vote for impeachment. It's Collins' full-throated, one-sided, and blathering speech I find disgusting... she's the person she was putting down in her own speech!

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
9. No it matters despite the fact that Kavanaugh would be confirmed anyway
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 04:49 PM
Oct 2018

If he would've voted no then that would've signaled that we could count on him to vote yes when we get a chance to fix the fix republicans are making.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
16. Forcing Pence to break the tie would have reaped benefits.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:42 PM
Oct 2018

Meanwhile, Manchin already had a 12-point lead in the polls. I'm not sure we're doing what is most politically expedient here.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
57. Hell...at least make Republicans WORK as hard as possible for the vote.....
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 10:59 AM
Oct 2018

Instead of rolling over. Doesn't matter,they WIN once again and what will come from this ANGRY DRUNK on the SC will be monumental.

IMO,first order of business is finally KILLING off the ACA for Trump in his "destroy ANYTHING that Obama touched" two year mantra. Let's see how long it takes Kav and his ultra conservative SC buds to deem the ACA unconstitutional.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
20. What was the point? Does he think Trump isn't
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 06:43 PM
Oct 2018

Going to WV to campaign against him now? Got news for you Clueless Joe

 

Sqee

(25 posts)
22. Then he should have forced it on Pence.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:31 PM
Oct 2018

No doubt about it.

He will lose in November over this one vote. Come January 3, 2019, Joe Manchin will no longer be a US Senator. You heard it here first.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
24. We need to keep the seat? So he can support MORE of Trump's picks?
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:55 PM
Oct 2018

No fucking thank you.

Fuck him. Twice.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
58. Funny how peeps keep saying that. And the fact that Manchin votes for TRUMP ideas more than Dem
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 11:01 AM
Oct 2018

ideas and policies. He votes for Trump an avg of 65% of the time and he calls himself a Dem?!?!?

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
47. Funny how that works
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:11 AM
Oct 2018

Bernie votes with the Dems 97% of the time but I swear it's almost de rigeur on DU to shit talk and dismiss him but this same crew will excuse almost anything to defend Senator 60%.

Where do we draw the line with Joe? What will it take? He's in effect telling sexual assault survivors that the value he puts on their experience and testimony depends, not on credibility and evidence, but on how well the rapist is polling back home and which way a senator from another state a thousand miles away votes.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
27. Seriously....
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:25 PM
Oct 2018

Who Need So-Called "D's" Like Manchin when we have a WHOLE BUNCH OF ENEMIES with R's, when he joins right along with them.

Screw Him. Pick up the seat, elsewhere.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
28. What exactly makes it better if he votes like a republican?
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:27 PM
Oct 2018

What is the difference between a democrats who votes republican and a republican? You might as well elect a real thing then.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
29. I have less of a problem with his voting "yes"
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:29 PM
Oct 2018

than with saying Blasey Ford was "confused." Fuck that. Taking the vote you feel you have to for expedient reasons is one thing, denying reality is another.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
31. Guess what?
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:32 PM
Oct 2018

Douchebag Jr. attacked Manchin on Twitter even after he said he'd vote for Judge McRapey. You really think Manchin's disgraceful act of cowardice is going to make the bozos in his state any less determined to get him out?

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
33. The Optics of putting a Justice on the Supreme Court
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:38 PM
Oct 2018

Without even a majority vote would be awful. Manchin has also made seriously disturbing comments about Dr Ford being “confused”. Sorry, but with friends like these...

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
34. If Republican v. Democratic is all that matters,
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:42 PM
Oct 2018

You may be correct. But if having moral and wise leadership matters at all anymore, than you are wrong. He's not a man that deserves an iota of respect.

Response to LBM20 (Original post)

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
44. Please explain his lame-ass excuse that Blasey was "confused."
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:31 AM
Oct 2018

If there is a bigger coward in the D party, I don't know who it is.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
45. West Virginians will thank him for breaking rank and voting Republican
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:35 AM
Oct 2018

Then quickly kick him to the curb. Anyone who thinks this vote magically ensures his reelection is deluded.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
48. I seem to recall another Dem senator who voted with Team Elephant
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:18 AM
Oct 2018

thinking it would save her seat and was still tossed to the curb.

Mary Landrieu learned that voting R don't necessarily boost ones electoral chances in a red state.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
59. Yep
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:13 PM
Oct 2018

He's basically telling women, especially sexual assault survivors, that the value he puts on their experience and testimony depends, not on credibility and evidence, but on how well the rapist is polling with the yokels in West Virginia and which way Susan Collins votes.

lame54

(35,287 posts)
60. THEN MAKE PENCE BREAK IT...
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:08 PM
Oct 2018

It's a 1000% unethical vote
No Dem should vote for this loser

He still has 4 weeks to make his case
And there is a hell of a case to make

If we can't count on him for a vote this important what is the point

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
62. I think it matters.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:16 PM
Oct 2018

With Murk voting 'present' and that other R away at a wedding, they expect it to be 50-48. If Murk were to vote 'no', then it's 50-49. Manchin then becomes the deciding vote. If he were to flip then it is 49-50. Pence only votes in a tie, so they would have to wait for wedding dude to come back AND have Pence cast the tie-breaker.
So it's really Murkowski's fault. She's doing Manchin more of a favor than wedding dude.

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