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Update from the City of College Station
12:55 p.m.
According to CSPD, the active shooter has been contained. Multiple casualties are involved, but there is no confirmation yet on the identity of any, or whether or not any are members of local law enforcement agencies.
College Station Police continue to work the area of Fidelity Street to ensure there arent any additional suspects involved.
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Update: Police have shooter in custody.
News 3 is en-route to an officer involved shooting in College Station.
Reports via police scanner say it's near Fidelity and Highland streets.
It appears that the shooter is shooting from a house with automatic weapons.
Scanner traffic indicates that at least two officers are down.
Details are limited at this time.
We have a crew headed to the scene and we will have more on this as details are made available.
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Shooting-in-Progress-Near-Welborn-and-Fidelity-Streets-in-College-Station-166000226.html?mobile=yes&device=iphone&device=android
Whisp
(24,096 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)Why do I get the impression this shit is going to be said on right wing sites? My heart goes out to the victims and their families. I do support the second Amendment but there needs to be massive gun overhaul because this is out of control. It is becoming a once a month news event of another psycho having access to guns and mowing down innocent lives. The NRA needs to be taken down.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,996 posts)Making shit up and pre-attributing to another group is a sure sign of stupidity, as far as I'm concerned.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Varabella is not that far off. The tone is exactly that.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They have it in their minds that the UN treaty on small arms will undermine the Second Amendment, and that these incidents are being orchestrated to make the America public receptive of that.
This is not some "made up" stuff. They've been on about this lunatic conspiracy for weeks now.
chknltl
(10,558 posts)As I post this the news is just breaking on my radio.
There has been an NRA attempt to sway voters by painting President Obama as anti second amendment. The so called Fast and Furious 'scandal' perpetrated by the righties in congress and likely also perpetrated by the NRA is testament to this.
Outside of not using, (nor needing imo) a sarcasm smiley in her title, fellow DUer vaberella has it right.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)The right blamed Liberals for bringing racist signs and people saying racist things in order to bring down their movement. Even those on our side has done this. I have seen comments by freepers (posted by other DUers) that have said the above that I stated. It became a debate as to whether that kid was a right wing extremist or a left wing extremist. All in all he was a nut case. But the psots had people making comments like what I stated above. You can call it stupid. Fine. I'm not speaking falsehoods here.
Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)If it is, you might want to consider something else, because yer kinda suckin' at this one.
Just sayin'
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Serious. It will make sense in the paranoia induced world of the RW
vaberella
(24,634 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)You should talk to the FBI about a job!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but a post in that line of thinking will not shock me in the least.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)How does at fit into your theory?
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Didn't take long for the NRA Talking Points (AKA, Big Lies) to show up.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)promoting more guns, etc.
randome
(34,845 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)I don't they read my post, in full that is.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)night of the living dead except the zombies are pasty white guys.
zzaapp
(531 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)zzaapp
(531 posts)Otherwise....kinda racist.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)YOU LIE!
zzaapp
(531 posts)Did I miss something?
you sure did.
zzaapp
(531 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)Response to datasuspect (Reply #123)
HangOnKids This message was self-deleted by its author.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)I work on campus, but don't know a lot. We've been advised not to go near the area. I haven't left the building.
Mr Dixon
(1,185 posts)msongs
(73,754 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)What did this one use?
A knife?
A car?
Or a swimming pool?
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)I'm all for people owning a weapon for personal protection but some of these guns need not be in the hands of some of the crazies of this world. I have no idea as to what was used except reading that it was an automatic weapon.
zzaapp
(531 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)I realize a lot of good solid people own some of these so called assault rifles and I have only one concern with that and that is can they reassure me that they can and will keep those weapons out of the hands of the afore mentioned nuts.
zzaapp
(531 posts)My personal stance is that although I don't own a gun, I can respect others' right to own one.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I came home from my war and after buying and keeping a 22 rifle a few days I vowed to never own a gun again. It felt so wrong to me to hold that rifle to the point that I took it back to its previous owner and asked if they'd take it back. Luckily I was given my money back but either way I was leaving there without that gun as mine.
Its a personal thing with me. I could care less how someone else feels and how many guns they have because I feel it is their right and I'll stand with them until the end if need be but for me I'll stand with how I feel for myself.
Assault weapons in the hands of the general populace I'm against though. I'm not even sure that is what was used here in this incidence and it matters not if it was on how I feel towards this.
Peace
zzaapp
(531 posts)BTW, thanks for your service.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)yet.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)We keep electing politicians who cower against the NRA.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)He represents this district and he's an idiot of the first order. I'll post it when I see it.
mfcorey1
(11,134 posts)liberallibral
(272 posts)Over 40 people were shot in the city of Chicago over Memorial Day Weekend of this year, and that city has the strictest gun laws on the books...
Guess maybe it's time to STOP blaming the NRA!!!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
liberallibral
(272 posts)Hmmm - I'm assuming reading comprehension isn't YOUR "strong suit" either, since you obviously can't even comprehend your own post..
You lose... Next?
hack89
(39,181 posts)they represent a very small fraction of gun owners.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)promote a lot of right wing crud.
hack89
(39,181 posts)I see the problem.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)hack89
(39,181 posts)that are willing to fight for gun control? What does it say when Ted Nugent is kicking your ass?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Do you also support NRA -- and it's Board's -- attempts to defeat Obama?
hack89
(39,181 posts)I was of course referring to you and the other fringe gun grabbers who actually think they will accomplish anything. YOU are getting your ass kicked.
President Obama has the sense to avoid the issue beyond harmless platitudes. He wants to be reelected - why do you want him to pursue policies that will put a repuke in the White House?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)A bunch of greedy, bigoted right wing gun nuts is not in society's best interest.
hack89
(39,181 posts)I shoot purely for recreation.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)Until today when one of my best friends was killed just by walking down the fucking street by a psycho with an arsenal of guns.
hack89
(39,181 posts)I understand your both your anger and sadness.
You have my condolences.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)ain't that great?
Oh wait, we all have a right to own a basooka, or a stinger (no, no really, just ask Scalia)
Logical
(22,457 posts)MineralMan
(151,269 posts)any difference to the ones who were shot? Relevance matters.
zzaapp
(531 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)zzaapp
(531 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)That is where are those who spout NRA/RW gun arguments. Bye!
zzaapp
(531 posts)And that somehow disproves that you're posting NRA Talking Points?
zzaapp
(531 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)Your emotion has seized your brain. Calm down, stroke your Precious, and come to your senses.
zzaapp
(531 posts)guys don't like to be accused of something so far fetched.
liberallibral
(272 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)accurate.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)Semi-auto/Automatic. It's a meaningless distinction when it comes to people getting shot, really. The reality is that it's really a given that any firearm used in such a circumstance is a semi-auto at best. Full auto firearms are not generally in the hands of the sick morons who shoot up a place like that.
Ever since the AWB was in force, people have been using the argument you're using to ridicule the press. Has it helped yet? No, it has not. Nor will it. The bottom line is that some asshole with a firearm shot a bunch of people. The exact nature of the firearm he used is not relevant to the situation. It wouldn't matter if he used an antique Colt revolver to do the job. The facts are that a bunch of people got shot.
When you can only talk about the nomenclature for the firearm used, you lose your argument immediately. Have you not noticed that?
I know the difference between the two classes of firearms. I also know that it doesn't matter a damned bit when it comes to crimes like this. Not even a little. In reality, the shooter probably would have shot fewer people with a full auto weapon. So, it's truly irrelevant.
Try a different argument next time - one that makes sense. You'll go farther with your defense of firearms that way. The minute you fixate on that distinction in the firearm used, you lose the argument, because it doesn't make a dime's worth of difference.
Logical
(22,457 posts)anger going to stop shootings when guns are 100% legal to make, sell, purchase and possess.
I don't like it anymore than you do. But I am smart enough to realize posting bad information and getting mad will not solve the problem.
The issue with people like you is that you have lots of anger but no real solutions. Does nothing to help the victims.
mike_c
(37,051 posts)eom
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)is more deadly, since it allows you to be more efficient.
Been watching our parallel site... and they did post something that they took from a forum, apparently this had to do with eviction.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Bump-stocks, Tach Triggers, 100 round clips....
The old "It's just a scary hunting rifle" meme is no longer true.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)You know you will never be able to collect them.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)My guess is they aren't when it comes to their guns, but would like to hear your thoughts. They are just common criminals
Like my buddy Woody Guthrie sang, "Some will rob you with a six gun, some with a fountain pen."
Logical
(22,457 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(44,498 posts)And you know what the conversation is.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It is like a drunk... admitting they have a problem is not high in the priority list.
zzaapp
(531 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)if we have the lowest crime rate in 40 years, this is hardly a crime problem.
zzaapp
(531 posts)But if I did, I would point out that the crime rate has dropped partly because of the increasing number of CHL's issued.
"we have the lowest crime rate in 40 years" Talking point?? lol
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)which contradicts another of their lovely talking points.
We are well very familiar with them. Before this is over, it will be the... bad feds are gonna come and take my precious away.
zzaapp
(531 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Concealed carry reduces crime... check!
Guns don't kill people, people kill people... check!
Any other NRA talking points you've got in your repertoire?
zzaapp
(531 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)You are still repeating mindless gun lobby talking points pretty much verbatim, gun or no gun.
zzaapp
(531 posts)The statement about CHL's/crime rate issue is simply reflected by the statistics relevant to the state that I live in. I know it's not the only reason.....jeeez people !
DanTex
(20,709 posts)There are very few people other than gun nuts and teabaggers who believe that concealed-carry laws reduce crime. It's certainly not supported by the statistics. The idea was pushed by a right-wing ideologue named John Lott, from the American Enterprise Institute. He did some research claiming that right-to-carry laws reduced crime. But then when non-right-wing researchers tried to replicate his work, they failed, and it turns out there were "errors" in John Lott's data, etc. Statistically, right-to-carry laws don't have much of an effect on crime, and the best evidence actually shows that they increase, rather than decrease crime. Studies have also shown higher gun ownership rates result in more homicide. And so on.
Tommy_Carcetti
(44,498 posts)Everything you've just said is well informed, well researched and 100% correct.
In other words, our friend zzaapp isn't going to listen one bit. Probably not worth your time at this point.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)I don't think it will be trollin' much longer. The "feigned outrage" is slipping.
fifthoffive
(382 posts)Where's the proof these two stats are related?
If crime is generally down everywhere, how do you explain the reduction in crime in places without concealed carry laws?
You would need to show that crime is down in CC jurisdictions and up, unchanged, or down significantly less in places without CC laws.
Maybe you can, I've just never seen the study that shows this to be true.
Tommy_Carcetti
(44,498 posts)That is quite a problem.
Tommy_Carcetti
(44,498 posts)"Huh" as in "I'm going to keep on pretending that the only people who use guns in crimes are repeat offenders who've obtained their weapons illegally, na na na na I can't hear you."
zzaapp
(531 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(44,498 posts)zzaapp
(531 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(44,498 posts)
zzaapp
(531 posts)zzaapp
(531 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)zzaapp
(531 posts)Have you ever seen the results of a mass knifing ??
Not pretty.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I tend to make the presumption that there are usually many more solutions than simply one-- regardless of whether we're clever enough to see those solutions yet or not.
Logical
(22,457 posts)is no easy solution. None at all I can see. And none that the American people will vote to implement. Much less any politician.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)The NRA is hurting a lot of people
zzaapp
(531 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)So conversation failed.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Not as bad as this is a conspiracy to destroy the NRA... but close.
Soon this guy will be a member of the tea party and will be tied to Palin, Romney, Ryan...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2917991/posts
Now back to work... with the back country fires.
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bongbong
(5,436 posts)Did you get the URLs from guncite or nra.com?
Ya Basta
(391 posts)and for you information I got those links from youtube. Given your callous attitude about a subject as serious as someone thrust into a fight for their life. I doubt you're someone to be taken seriously.
Good day.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> I think its unfortunate you find life & death situations something to laugh about
You have a serious reading comprehension problem, and an ability to build Strawmen like crazy. Must be the guns talking.
I'm not laughing at the slaughter by the gun-nut, I'm laughing at how quickly the gun-religionists are posting NRA Talking Points. Every shooting, which the NRA is incrementally responsible for, saddens and angers me.
Got any more Strawmen that you're building?
Ya Basta
(391 posts)Look if you wish to disagree, fine. But that's not what you're doing. You respond by laughing at a post which illustrates people who had to fight for their lives. Therefore its not a strawman for me to point out your callousness toward that because it doesn't fit into your false sense of reality in the real world.
Furthermore you seem to be the only one here familiar with NRA talking points. Then using that knowledge and the right-wing tactic of trying to conflate those who you disagree with. In this case as being a party with a group who uses gun politics to support the republican party.
To me you seem to be the one who's unable to hold a respectable conversation and the one using right-wing swift-boat tactics.
Very unfortunate.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> But that's not what you're doing. You respond by laughing at a post w
I see you're attempting another Strawman, but you'll have to do better than that. It's the same Strawman you already built!
> Furthermore you seem to be the only one here familiar with NRA talking points.
This Strawman is new, so you're progressing. Still just a Strawman, tho', and thus worthless.
Keep trying!
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)At Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:21 PM you sent an alert on the following post:
This is a very sad tragedy. My heart goes out to the victims and their families.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1125160
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YOUR COMMENTS:
NRA talking point videos are cool on DU? Really?
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:39 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.
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It appears YOU are not to be taken seriously.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The claim that gun laws are useless because there a black market for guns will pop up has been disproven not just by one or two examples, but by every single wealthy nation other than the US. THe US has, by far, the highest homicide rate in the industrialized world, in large part because our gun laws are written by the gun lobby.
And, by the way, the US does not have exceptionally high rates of crime in general. Just homicides and shootings. It's the guns.
hack89
(39,181 posts)and they continue to decline.
Is the issue that they are not declining fast enough for you?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The US has about 30,000 gun deaths per year. The UK has about 50. Adjusted for population, that would be about 250 in the US. That's the issue.
hack89
(39,181 posts)Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)Doesn't make it any less accurate and when I get home from work I'll happily post the overall crime statics from the UK to show you how foolish YOUR talking point is.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Yes, gun deaths have dropped, for many reasons: drop in crime, less gun ownership, improved emergency medicine. But we still have far higher rates of gun violence than any other wealthy nation. As you point out, we don't have higher crime rates across the board, just higher homicide and gun violence specifically. It's the guns.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)Than a country who has very few firearms... What's your point? Remember, many of those "deaths" are legitimate uses of deadly force.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> Remember, many of those "deaths" are legitimate uses of deadly force.
Ohhh, that's NRA Talking Point #21, a rare one. You win a prize!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Oh, and legitimate self-defense shootings are exceedingly rare. It's just that every time one occurs, the gun nuts canonize the shooter and celebrate like it was Mardi Gras. But, statistically, self-defense accounts for a negligible fraction of the 30,000 gun deaths.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Since the "suicides don't count" talking point is surely coming next, I'll point out in advance that many studies have found that gun ownership significantly increases suicide risks, because guns provide an easy and lethal means of suicide. Most people who attempt suicide without a gun survive. Most who use a gun don't.
Anyway, regardless of whether suicide "counts", the death numbers alone, as enormous as they are, don't give a full picture of the damage to society from gun violence. There are also injuries, there is psychological trauma, there are crimes that are facilitated by guns, etc. In the "plus" category, there are some instances of self-defense with a gun, but they are rare, and there is no real evidence that owning or carrying a gun reduces risks from crime victimization. In fact, the evidence points in the opposite direction.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)We'll get the same NRA Talking Points (AKA, Big Lies) posted for the next few days by the gun-relgionists.
They're getting boring, since now the parroting of those lies is happening on a weekly basis.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)as fast as it comes anymore.
(And where did I leave my precious?)
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zzaapp
(531 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)And he decided he wasn't going to leave peacefully.
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)May the officer RIP and his family stay strong. May the other shooting victims recover from their injuries. It's all so damn senseless.
NMDemDist2
(49,314 posts)sadbear
(4,340 posts)Not that it makes any difference, except that constables are not not police officers in the everyday sense of the word.
w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)It's just sad.
malaise
(296,105 posts)luvspeas
(1,883 posts)I think the neo-cons and the far right are somehow instigating these shootings so that Obama will be forced to institute some type of gun control before the election. This would galvanize the lowest common denominator in our society who are so gullible that they will come out in en mass to elect Dumney and Lyan. I believe this primarily because idiots like the Koch Brothers do not give one wit about human life.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)Just another unhinged individual with easy access to firearms. But something's got to change. If this was about an eviction, then perhaps the guy thought he was just defending his "property" (even though it sounds like it wasn't his to defend.l) We've got a lot of problems in this country, and from my perspective, they're mostly right-wing in nature.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and also a well known rumor in RW land.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)updated 4:07 PM EDT, Mon August 13, 2012
(CNN) -- A Texas constable and two others were killed Monday in a shooting near Texas A&M University, police said.
Rhonda Seaton, a spokeswoman with the College Station police department, told CNN that the three people killed were the constable, the man authorities say opened fire on law enforcement officers and an unidentified civilian.
A few minutes earlier, Asst. Chief Scott McCollum, from the same police department, told reporters that at least four people -- two law enforcement officers and two civilians -- were shot in the incident, which occurred around noon just a few blocks from the Texas A&M campus.
The dead included Brian Bachman, the constable for Brazos County, according to McCollum.
A male civilian was also killed, the assistant police chief said.
...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/13/justice/texas-am-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)an eviction notice.