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Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:05 PM Aug 2012

"Multiple casualties" in College Station, TX from shooting... suspect apprehended.

Update from the City of College Station

12:55 p.m.

According to CSPD, the active shooter has been contained. Multiple casualties are involved, but there is no confirmation yet on the identity of any, or whether or not any are members of local law enforcement agencies.

College Station Police continue to work the area of Fidelity Street to ensure there aren’t any additional suspects involved.

-----------------------

Update: Police have shooter in custody.

News 3 is en-route to an officer involved shooting in College Station.

Reports via police scanner say it's near Fidelity and Highland streets.

It appears that the shooter is shooting from a house with automatic weapons.

Scanner traffic indicates that at least two officers are down.
Details are limited at this time.

We have a crew headed to the scene and we will have more on this as details are made available.

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Shooting-in-Progress-Near-Welborn-and-Fidelity-Streets-in-College-Station-166000226.html?mobile=yes&device=iphone&device=android

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"Multiple casualties" in College Station, TX from shooting... suspect apprehended. (Original Post) Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 OP
omg Whisp Aug 2012 #1
"I'm starting to think these shootings are coordinated to take down the NRA." vaberella Aug 2012 #2
You get that impression because you made that bullshit up. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #6
Read the whole post, if you follow RW postings nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #18
The wingers have been saying that since Aurora jberryhill Aug 2012 #27
I read the whole post, think it is accurate. chknltl Aug 2012 #94
You think so. Really. vaberella Aug 2012 #108
Is condensending replies aimed at other DUers your hobby or something? Major Nikon Aug 2012 #126
coordinated? What a shit thing to say while some of the bodies aren't even cold yet CBGLuthier Aug 2012 #7
Go follow a few RW sites nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #19
you didn't read my full post. Whatever. n/t vaberella Aug 2012 #109
What do you do for a living? snooper2 Aug 2012 #8
I will go check a few of the usual suspects nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #20
Crime is at an almost 40 year low Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #22
LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #55
What are you talking about? n/t vaberella Aug 2012 #105
Was giving context to his assertion nt Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #106
Gun nut crime is not at 40 year low, neither are gun sales, gun toting, right wingers Hoyt Aug 2012 #128
Geeze. Quotes and everything and still people misunderstood you. randome Aug 2012 #24
It can't be helped it seems. I thought I made myself clear. vaberella Aug 2012 #104
"the recent outbreak of mass murder . . . " datasuspect Aug 2012 #3
Pasty white guys !!!???? for real???!!!! zzaapp Aug 2012 #26
10-4 good buddy datasuspect Aug 2012 #53
I hope that you are a pasty white guy yourself.... zzaapp Aug 2012 #58
no it isn't datasuspect Aug 2012 #59
night of the living dead except the zombies are pasty white guys. zzaapp Aug 2012 #60
yep datasuspect Aug 2012 #70
I can hardly wait for your next syllable zzaapp Aug 2012 #72
hang in there datasuspect Aug 2012 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2012 #146
Very near Texas A&M campus. sadbear Aug 2012 #4
WOW Mr Dixon Aug 2012 #5
another gun owner using them for their intended purpose nt msongs Aug 2012 #9
+1 Son of Gob Aug 2012 #101
Another mass killer? 99Forever Aug 2012 #10
New model of Nerf gun: "I Can't Believe It Doesn't Kill Better" nt Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #12
And they tell me that guns don't kill madokie Aug 2012 #13
or criminals zzaapp Aug 2012 #29
or criminals, yes madokie Aug 2012 #34
It's a tough issue, no doubt about it. zzaapp Aug 2012 #35
Thats me also madokie Aug 2012 #51
I agree.....I'm not big on assault weapons either. zzaapp Aug 2012 #52
No fatalities reported sadbear Aug 2012 #11
This country has lost its fucking mind. Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #14
Just wait until the statement from Rep. Bill Flores sadbear Aug 2012 #17
*1000000000 mfcorey1 Aug 2012 #77
In Other News... liberallibral Aug 2012 #89
I didn't blame the NRA. Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #130
Well - since we're moving to insults liberallibral Aug 2012 #141
Which is funny when you realize how small their membership is. hack89 Aug 2012 #96
But their board includes G Norquist, John Bolton, and worse. They are pervasive and Hoyt Aug 2012 #131
So there are no Democrats of similar stature that support gun control? hack89 Aug 2012 #134
Are you suggesting Democrats are like Grover Norquist, John Bolton, Teddy Nugent? Hoyt Aug 2012 #136
I am wondering who are the prominent and respected Democrats hack89 Aug 2012 #138
'Kicking your ass." Am I mistaken as to where your loyalties are? Hoyt Aug 2012 #139
Of course not - I support and will vote for my president hack89 Aug 2012 #142
At least I don't have to arm up to walk out the front door. I want what is good for society. Hoyt Aug 2012 #143
Neither do I - I live in a safe town. hack89 Aug 2012 #144
Yeah, I live in a safe town, too. sadbear Aug 2012 #147
I lost a good friend last year to a drunk driver hack89 Aug 2012 #148
Ah yes, our weekly mass shooting nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #15
"Automatic Weapons"? I would bet this is not true. Logical Aug 2012 #16
You're almost certainly right. However, does that really make MineralMan Aug 2012 #21
Just ask Lizzie Borden's parents. Oh wait, that was an axe. sorry. zzaapp Aug 2012 #30
What relevant and current refrences you use! morningfog Aug 2012 #61
Thank you, compliment accepted. zzaapp Aug 2012 #62
Zzaapp to ignore. morningfog Aug 2012 #64
LOLOLOL I DON"T OWN A GUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! zzaapp Aug 2012 #66
LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #76
WTF are you talking about????????!!!!! zzaapp Aug 2012 #78
Calm down bongbong Aug 2012 #82
In...out......In....out...Ok....better. It's just that us pasty white zzaapp Aug 2012 #84
Hahaha!!! The 'gun control' folks won't like that one!! liberallibral Aug 2012 #91
Well, not to those shot. But the press lying pisses me off. Just like on any topic they should be... Logical Aug 2012 #46
The press gets that one wrong all the time. All of the press. MineralMan Aug 2012 #98
Calm down. You sound like Fox news when it comes to facts. Once again, how are you and your..... Logical Aug 2012 #124
that's a rather scarlet fish, don't you think? mike_c Aug 2012 #28
Not only that, semi auto fire nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #42
Semi-Automatic + Rubber Band = 500 rounds/minute... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #112
Probably not - good reason to put our sights on semi-autos, the gun of choice for gun cultists. Hoyt Aug 2012 #129
I see your point, but what do you do with the 100 millions semis out there? And... Logical Aug 2012 #132
Are you suggesting that those "law-abiding gun owners" you guys tout, aren't really law-abiding? Hoyt Aug 2012 #137
No politician will propose banning gun ownership. n-t Logical Aug 2012 #145
NOW can we have the conversation? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #23
Nope, if we do, we might to admit we have a gun problem nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #25
Isn't it more of a "criminal" problem? just sayin' nt zzaapp Aug 2012 #32
You should get the talking points right nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #33
look.....I don't even OWN a gun so I don't have an axe to grind. zzaapp Aug 2012 #37
You used an NRA talking point nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #43
I guess I'm not familiar with them. zzaapp Aug 2012 #44
LOL. You sure seem to have them down. DanTex Aug 2012 #73
yells at the top of his lungs "I DON"T OWN A GUN !!!!!" zzaapp Aug 2012 #74
And that matters because...? DanTex Aug 2012 #85
No I'm not.....I have no idea what NRA talking points are. zzaapp Aug 2012 #90
Sorry, not buying it. DanTex Aug 2012 #100
Dude....this guy is trollin' on a thread where three people are dead and many are wounded. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #116
Thank You HangOnKids Aug 2012 #140
post hoc ergo propter hoc fifthoffive Aug 2012 #113
Yep. Criminals who weren't criminals until they legally obtained guns and used them. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #36
Huh? zzaapp Aug 2012 #38
Yeah, "huh." Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #39
I know you are...but what am I ???? zzaapp Aug 2012 #40
SHM. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #41
Ok, you got me...what's SHM? zzaapp Aug 2012 #45
You're a smooth smoothie, you know. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #50
I'm blushing. zzaapp Aug 2012 #54
Not the pubic hair thing again ! zzaapp Aug 2012 #31
The only solution is to ban guns. And it will never happen in this country. n-t Logical Aug 2012 #47
I don't know..... zzaapp Aug 2012 #56
I tend to make the presumption that there are usually many more solutions than simply one LanternWaste Aug 2012 #67
I would love to hear them. I bet I have thought more about this topic than anyone here. There.... Logical Aug 2012 #125
NRA: Yes we can have that conversation,..........when two people love each other...... uponit7771 Aug 2012 #68
ROTFLMAO !!!! Classic! zzaapp Aug 2012 #71
I don't think so. MSNBC hasn't even reported on it. vaberella Aug 2012 #110
Ok, Ok, went to Free Republic to check nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #48
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #49
Nice collection of videos bongbong Aug 2012 #80
I think its unfortunate you find life & death situations something to laugh about Ya Basta Aug 2012 #86
House of straw bongbong Aug 2012 #97
Strawmen? Ya Basta Aug 2012 #117
House of hey bongbong Aug 2012 #121
A Jury Does Not Agree With Your NRA Love HangOnKids Aug 2012 #149
Ya basta with the NRA talking points... DanTex Aug 2012 #83
Yet we have cut gun deaths in half since 1992 hack89 Aug 2012 #99
More NRA talking points, right on cue. DanTex Aug 2012 #111
So the decline is not fast enough? OK. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #114
Calling something a talking point Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #115
It's actually irrelevant, not inaccurate. And it is an NRA talking point. DanTex Aug 2012 #118
So we have a higher incident number Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #120
Rare bongbong Aug 2012 #122
My point is that we have (tens of) thousands of needless deaths every year. DanTex Aug 2012 #127
How many of those are suicides? nt Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #133
Roughly: 20,000 suicides, 10,000 murders. DanTex Aug 2012 #135
NRA Talking Points bongbong Aug 2012 #57
The problem they have is that we are calling the bullshit nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #63
no, the is a problem accusing for to not paying the attention. zzaapp Aug 2012 #92
BREAKING, CNN: An officer has died; suspect also dead. nt pinboy3niner Aug 2012 #65
Apparently they tried to evict this gentleman Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #69
The country has lost it's freaking mind.... NotThisTime Aug 2012 #81
maybe he should have sold his guns to pay his rent??? NMDemDist2 Aug 2012 #107
The rumor I heard was that it was a constable who died. sadbear Aug 2012 #75
right. They usually do serve eviction notices. w8liftinglady Aug 2012 #79
He killed another cop - bravo NRA n/t malaise Aug 2012 #87
my own crazy conspiracy theory... luvspeas Aug 2012 #88
Not this time sadbear Aug 2012 #93
That be stochastic terrorism nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #95
Well, you got the "crazy" part right. n/t zappaman Aug 2012 #103
UPDATE: 3 killed in shooting near Texas A&M University pinboy3niner Aug 2012 #102
He shot the cop trying to serve him exboyfil Aug 2012 #119

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
2. "I'm starting to think these shootings are coordinated to take down the NRA."
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:09 PM
Aug 2012

Why do I get the impression this shit is going to be said on right wing sites? My heart goes out to the victims and their families. I do support the second Amendment but there needs to be massive gun overhaul because this is out of control. It is becoming a once a month news event of another psycho having access to guns and mowing down innocent lives. The NRA needs to be taken down.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,996 posts)
6. You get that impression because you made that bullshit up.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:17 PM
Aug 2012

Making shit up and pre-attributing to another group is a sure sign of stupidity, as far as I'm concerned.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
18. Read the whole post, if you follow RW postings
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:34 PM
Aug 2012

Varabella is not that far off. The tone is exactly that.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. The wingers have been saying that since Aurora
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:50 PM
Aug 2012

They have it in their minds that the UN treaty on small arms will undermine the Second Amendment, and that these incidents are being orchestrated to make the America public receptive of that.

This is not some "made up" stuff. They've been on about this lunatic conspiracy for weeks now.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
94. I read the whole post, think it is accurate.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:16 PM
Aug 2012

As I post this the news is just breaking on my radio.

There has been an NRA attempt to sway voters by painting President Obama as anti second amendment. The so called Fast and Furious 'scandal' perpetrated by the righties in congress and likely also perpetrated by the NRA is testament to this.

Outside of not using, (nor needing imo) a sarcasm smiley in her title, fellow DUer vaberella has it right.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
108. You think so. Really.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:36 PM
Aug 2012

The right blamed Liberals for bringing racist signs and people saying racist things in order to bring down their movement. Even those on our side has done this. I have seen comments by freepers (posted by other DUers) that have said the above that I stated. It became a debate as to whether that kid was a right wing extremist or a left wing extremist. All in all he was a nut case. But the psots had people making comments like what I stated above. You can call it stupid. Fine. I'm not speaking falsehoods here.

Major Nikon

(36,925 posts)
126. Is condensending replies aimed at other DUers your hobby or something?
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:08 PM
Aug 2012

If it is, you might want to consider something else, because yer kinda suckin' at this one.

Just sayin'

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. Go follow a few RW sites
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:35 PM
Aug 2012

Serious. It will make sense in the paranoia induced world of the RW

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
20. I will go check a few of the usual suspects
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:35 PM
Aug 2012

but a post in that line of thinking will not shock me in the least.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
128. Gun nut crime is not at 40 year low, neither are gun sales, gun toting, right wingers
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:17 PM
Aug 2012

promoting more guns, etc.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
104. It can't be helped it seems. I thought I made myself clear.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:30 PM
Aug 2012

I don't they read my post, in full that is.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
3. "the recent outbreak of mass murder . . . "
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:11 PM
Aug 2012

night of the living dead except the zombies are pasty white guys.

 

zzaapp

(531 posts)
60. night of the living dead except the zombies are pasty white guys.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:44 PM
Aug 2012

Did I miss something?

Response to datasuspect (Reply #123)

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
4. Very near Texas A&M campus.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:11 PM
Aug 2012

I work on campus, but don't know a lot. We've been advised not to go near the area. I haven't left the building.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. And they tell me that guns don't kill
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:31 PM
Aug 2012

I'm all for people owning a weapon for personal protection but some of these guns need not be in the hands of some of the crazies of this world. I have no idea as to what was used except reading that it was an automatic weapon.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
34. or criminals, yes
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:57 PM
Aug 2012

I realize a lot of good solid people own some of these so called assault rifles and I have only one concern with that and that is can they reassure me that they can and will keep those weapons out of the hands of the afore mentioned nuts.

 

zzaapp

(531 posts)
35. It's a tough issue, no doubt about it.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:00 PM
Aug 2012

My personal stance is that although I don't own a gun, I can respect others' right to own one.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
51. Thats me also
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:32 PM
Aug 2012

I came home from my war and after buying and keeping a 22 rifle a few days I vowed to never own a gun again. It felt so wrong to me to hold that rifle to the point that I took it back to its previous owner and asked if they'd take it back. Luckily I was given my money back but either way I was leaving there without that gun as mine.

Its a personal thing with me. I could care less how someone else feels and how many guns they have because I feel it is their right and I'll stand with them until the end if need be but for me I'll stand with how I feel for myself.

Assault weapons in the hands of the general populace I'm against though. I'm not even sure that is what was used here in this incidence and it matters not if it was on how I feel towards this.
Peace

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
14. This country has lost its fucking mind.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:31 PM
Aug 2012

We keep electing politicians who cower against the NRA.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
17. Just wait until the statement from Rep. Bill Flores
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:34 PM
Aug 2012

He represents this district and he's an idiot of the first order. I'll post it when I see it.

 

liberallibral

(272 posts)
89. In Other News...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:07 PM
Aug 2012

Over 40 people were shot in the city of Chicago over Memorial Day Weekend of this year, and that city has the strictest gun laws on the books...

Guess maybe it's time to STOP blaming the NRA!!!

 

liberallibral

(272 posts)
141. Well - since we're moving to insults
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:08 PM
Aug 2012

Hmmm - I'm assuming reading comprehension isn't YOUR "strong suit" either, since you obviously can't even comprehend your own post..

You lose... Next?

hack89

(39,181 posts)
96. Which is funny when you realize how small their membership is.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:20 PM
Aug 2012

they represent a very small fraction of gun owners.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
131. But their board includes G Norquist, John Bolton, and worse. They are pervasive and
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:26 PM
Aug 2012

promote a lot of right wing crud.

hack89

(39,181 posts)
134. So there are no Democrats of similar stature that support gun control?
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:43 PM
Aug 2012

I see the problem.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
136. Are you suggesting Democrats are like Grover Norquist, John Bolton, Teddy Nugent?
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:53 PM
Aug 2012

hack89

(39,181 posts)
138. I am wondering who are the prominent and respected Democrats
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:06 PM
Aug 2012

that are willing to fight for gun control? What does it say when Ted Nugent is kicking your ass?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
139. 'Kicking your ass." Am I mistaken as to where your loyalties are?
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:19 PM
Aug 2012

Do you also support NRA -- and it's Board's -- attempts to defeat Obama?

hack89

(39,181 posts)
142. Of course not - I support and will vote for my president
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:12 PM
Aug 2012

I was of course referring to you and the other fringe gun grabbers who actually think they will accomplish anything. YOU are getting your ass kicked.

President Obama has the sense to avoid the issue beyond harmless platitudes. He wants to be reelected - why do you want him to pursue policies that will put a repuke in the White House?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
143. At least I don't have to arm up to walk out the front door. I want what is good for society.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:20 PM
Aug 2012

A bunch of greedy, bigoted right wing gun nuts is not in society's best interest.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
147. Yeah, I live in a safe town, too.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:19 PM
Aug 2012

Until today when one of my best friends was killed just by walking down the fucking street by a psycho with an arsenal of guns.

hack89

(39,181 posts)
148. I lost a good friend last year to a drunk driver
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:22 PM
Aug 2012

I understand your both your anger and sadness.

You have my condolences.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
15. Ah yes, our weekly mass shooting
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:32 PM
Aug 2012

ain't that great?

Oh wait, we all have a right to own a basooka, or a stinger (no, no really, just ask Scalia)

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
21. You're almost certainly right. However, does that really make
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:36 PM
Aug 2012

any difference to the ones who were shot? Relevance matters.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
82. Calm down
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:59 PM
Aug 2012

Your emotion has seized your brain. Calm down, stroke your Precious, and come to your senses.

 

zzaapp

(531 posts)
84. In...out......In....out...Ok....better. It's just that us pasty white
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:02 PM
Aug 2012

guys don't like to be accused of something so far fetched.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
46. Well, not to those shot. But the press lying pisses me off. Just like on any topic they should be...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:26 PM
Aug 2012

accurate.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
98. The press gets that one wrong all the time. All of the press.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:22 PM
Aug 2012

Semi-auto/Automatic. It's a meaningless distinction when it comes to people getting shot, really. The reality is that it's really a given that any firearm used in such a circumstance is a semi-auto at best. Full auto firearms are not generally in the hands of the sick morons who shoot up a place like that.

Ever since the AWB was in force, people have been using the argument you're using to ridicule the press. Has it helped yet? No, it has not. Nor will it. The bottom line is that some asshole with a firearm shot a bunch of people. The exact nature of the firearm he used is not relevant to the situation. It wouldn't matter if he used an antique Colt revolver to do the job. The facts are that a bunch of people got shot.

When you can only talk about the nomenclature for the firearm used, you lose your argument immediately. Have you not noticed that?

I know the difference between the two classes of firearms. I also know that it doesn't matter a damned bit when it comes to crimes like this. Not even a little. In reality, the shooter probably would have shot fewer people with a full auto weapon. So, it's truly irrelevant.

Try a different argument next time - one that makes sense. You'll go farther with your defense of firearms that way. The minute you fixate on that distinction in the firearm used, you lose the argument, because it doesn't make a dime's worth of difference.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
124. Calm down. You sound like Fox news when it comes to facts. Once again, how are you and your.....
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:04 PM
Aug 2012

anger going to stop shootings when guns are 100% legal to make, sell, purchase and possess.

I don't like it anymore than you do. But I am smart enough to realize posting bad information and getting mad will not solve the problem.

The issue with people like you is that you have lots of anger but no real solutions. Does nothing to help the victims.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
42. Not only that, semi auto fire
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:15 PM
Aug 2012

is more deadly, since it allows you to be more efficient.

Been watching our parallel site... and they did post something that they took from a forum, apparently this had to do with eviction.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
112. Semi-Automatic + Rubber Band = 500 rounds/minute...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:40 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=991345

Bump-stocks, Tach Triggers, 100 round clips....

The old "It's just a scary hunting rifle" meme is no longer true.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
129. Probably not - good reason to put our sights on semi-autos, the gun of choice for gun cultists.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:20 PM
Aug 2012
 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
132. I see your point, but what do you do with the 100 millions semis out there? And...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:38 PM
Aug 2012

You know you will never be able to collect them.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
137. Are you suggesting that those "law-abiding gun owners" you guys tout, aren't really law-abiding?
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:56 PM
Aug 2012

My guess is they aren't when it comes to their guns, but would like to hear your thoughts. They are just common criminals


Like my buddy Woody Guthrie sang, "Some will rob you with a six gun, some with a fountain pen."
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Nope, if we do, we might to admit we have a gun problem
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:45 PM
Aug 2012


It is like a drunk... admitting they have a problem is not high in the priority list.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. You should get the talking points right
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:57 PM
Aug 2012

if we have the lowest crime rate in 40 years, this is hardly a crime problem.

 

zzaapp

(531 posts)
37. look.....I don't even OWN a gun so I don't have an axe to grind.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:04 PM
Aug 2012

But if I did, I would point out that the crime rate has dropped partly because of the increasing number of CHL's issued.

"we have the lowest crime rate in 40 years" Talking point?? lol

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
43. You used an NRA talking point
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:16 PM
Aug 2012

which contradicts another of their lovely talking points.



We are well very familiar with them. Before this is over, it will be the... bad feds are gonna come and take my precious away.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
73. LOL. You sure seem to have them down.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:52 PM
Aug 2012

Concealed carry reduces crime... check!
Guns don't kill people, people kill people... check!

Any other NRA talking points you've got in your repertoire?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
85. And that matters because...?
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:04 PM
Aug 2012

You are still repeating mindless gun lobby talking points pretty much verbatim, gun or no gun.

 

zzaapp

(531 posts)
90. No I'm not.....I have no idea what NRA talking points are.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:08 PM
Aug 2012

The statement about CHL's/crime rate issue is simply reflected by the statistics relevant to the state that I live in. I know it's not the only reason.....jeeez people !

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
100. Sorry, not buying it.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:26 PM
Aug 2012

There are very few people other than gun nuts and teabaggers who believe that concealed-carry laws reduce crime. It's certainly not supported by the statistics. The idea was pushed by a right-wing ideologue named John Lott, from the American Enterprise Institute. He did some research claiming that right-to-carry laws reduced crime. But then when non-right-wing researchers tried to replicate his work, they failed, and it turns out there were "errors" in John Lott's data, etc. Statistically, right-to-carry laws don't have much of an effect on crime, and the best evidence actually shows that they increase, rather than decrease crime. Studies have also shown higher gun ownership rates result in more homicide. And so on.

Tommy_Carcetti

(44,498 posts)
116. Dude....this guy is trollin' on a thread where three people are dead and many are wounded.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:43 PM
Aug 2012

Everything you've just said is well informed, well researched and 100% correct.

In other words, our friend zzaapp isn't going to listen one bit. Probably not worth your time at this point.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
140. Thank You
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:33 PM
Aug 2012

I don't think it will be trollin' much longer. The "feigned outrage" is slipping.

fifthoffive

(382 posts)
113. post hoc ergo propter hoc
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:42 PM
Aug 2012

Where's the proof these two stats are related?

If crime is generally down everywhere, how do you explain the reduction in crime in places without concealed carry laws?

You would need to show that crime is down in CC jurisdictions and up, unchanged, or down significantly less in places without CC laws.

Maybe you can, I've just never seen the study that shows this to be true.

Tommy_Carcetti

(44,498 posts)
36. Yep. Criminals who weren't criminals until they legally obtained guns and used them.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:01 PM
Aug 2012

That is quite a problem.

Tommy_Carcetti

(44,498 posts)
39. Yeah, "huh."
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:09 PM
Aug 2012

"Huh" as in "I'm going to keep on pretending that the only people who use guns in crimes are repeat offenders who've obtained their weapons illegally, na na na na I can't hear you."

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
67. I tend to make the presumption that there are usually many more solutions than simply one
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:48 PM
Aug 2012

I tend to make the presumption that there are usually many more solutions than simply one-- regardless of whether we're clever enough to see those solutions yet or not.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
125. I would love to hear them. I bet I have thought more about this topic than anyone here. There....
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:06 PM
Aug 2012

is no easy solution. None at all I can see. And none that the American people will vote to implement. Much less any politician.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
68. NRA: Yes we can have that conversation,..........when two people love each other......
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:49 PM
Aug 2012

The NRA is hurting a lot of people

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
48. Ok, Ok, went to Free Republic to check
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:29 PM
Aug 2012

Not as bad as this is a conspiracy to destroy the NRA... but close.

Soon this guy will be a member of the tea party and will be tied to Palin, Romney, Ryan...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2917991/posts

Now back to work... with the back country fires.

Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Original post)

 

Ya Basta

(391 posts)
86. I think its unfortunate you find life & death situations something to laugh about
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:05 PM
Aug 2012

and for you information I got those links from youtube. Given your callous attitude about a subject as serious as someone thrust into a fight for their life. I doubt you're someone to be taken seriously.

Good day.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
97. House of straw
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:21 PM
Aug 2012

> I think its unfortunate you find life & death situations something to laugh about

You have a serious reading comprehension problem, and an ability to build Strawmen like crazy. Must be the guns talking.

I'm not laughing at the slaughter by the gun-nut, I'm laughing at how quickly the gun-religionists are posting NRA Talking Points. Every shooting, which the NRA is incrementally responsible for, saddens and angers me.

Got any more Strawmen that you're building?

 

Ya Basta

(391 posts)
117. Strawmen?
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:48 PM
Aug 2012

Look if you wish to disagree, fine. But that's not what you're doing. You respond by laughing at a post which illustrates people who had to fight for their lives. Therefore its not a strawman for me to point out your callousness toward that because it doesn't fit into your false sense of reality in the real world.

Furthermore you seem to be the only one here familiar with NRA talking points. Then using that knowledge and the right-wing tactic of trying to conflate those who you disagree with. In this case as being a party with a group who uses gun politics to support the republican party.

To me you seem to be the one who's unable to hold a respectable conversation and the one using right-wing swift-boat tactics.

Very unfortunate.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
121. House of hey
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:58 PM
Aug 2012

> But that's not what you're doing. You respond by laughing at a post w

I see you're attempting another Strawman, but you'll have to do better than that. It's the same Strawman you already built!



> Furthermore you seem to be the only one here familiar with NRA talking points.

This Strawman is new, so you're progressing. Still just a Strawman, tho', and thus worthless.

Keep trying!

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
149. A Jury Does Not Agree With Your NRA Love
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:51 PM
Aug 2012




At Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:21 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

This is a very sad tragedy. My heart goes out to the victims and their families.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1125160

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

NRA talking point videos are cool on DU? Really?

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:39 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: I pegged this one a troll from day one. T..R..O..L..L
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Argue--don't alert.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I do not agree with the post, but I find nothing disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate about it.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: This is a seagull post. Fly in, make a lot of noise, shit on everything and fly out.

Thank you.

It appears YOU are not to be taken seriously. Sorry you will not be replying soon. A Seagull post is perfect.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
83. Ya basta with the NRA talking points...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:59 PM
Aug 2012

The claim that gun laws are useless because there a black market for guns will pop up has been disproven not just by one or two examples, but by every single wealthy nation other than the US. THe US has, by far, the highest homicide rate in the industrialized world, in large part because our gun laws are written by the gun lobby.

And, by the way, the US does not have exceptionally high rates of crime in general. Just homicides and shootings. It's the guns.

hack89

(39,181 posts)
99. Yet we have cut gun deaths in half since 1992
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:25 PM
Aug 2012

and they continue to decline.

Is the issue that they are not declining fast enough for you?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
111. More NRA talking points, right on cue.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:39 PM
Aug 2012

The US has about 30,000 gun deaths per year. The UK has about 50. Adjusted for population, that would be about 250 in the US. That's the issue.

 
115. Calling something a talking point
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:42 PM
Aug 2012

Doesn't make it any less accurate and when I get home from work I'll happily post the overall crime statics from the UK to show you how foolish YOUR talking point is.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
118. It's actually irrelevant, not inaccurate. And it is an NRA talking point.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:49 PM
Aug 2012

Yes, gun deaths have dropped, for many reasons: drop in crime, less gun ownership, improved emergency medicine. But we still have far higher rates of gun violence than any other wealthy nation. As you point out, we don't have higher crime rates across the board, just higher homicide and gun violence specifically. It's the guns.

 
120. So we have a higher incident number
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:57 PM
Aug 2012

Than a country who has very few firearms... What's your point? Remember, many of those "deaths" are legitimate uses of deadly force.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
122. Rare
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:02 PM
Aug 2012

> Remember, many of those "deaths" are legitimate uses of deadly force.

Ohhh, that's NRA Talking Point #21, a rare one. You win a prize!

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
127. My point is that we have (tens of) thousands of needless deaths every year.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:14 PM
Aug 2012

Oh, and legitimate self-defense shootings are exceedingly rare. It's just that every time one occurs, the gun nuts canonize the shooter and celebrate like it was Mardi Gras. But, statistically, self-defense accounts for a negligible fraction of the 30,000 gun deaths.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
135. Roughly: 20,000 suicides, 10,000 murders.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:54 PM
Aug 2012

Since the "suicides don't count" talking point is surely coming next, I'll point out in advance that many studies have found that gun ownership significantly increases suicide risks, because guns provide an easy and lethal means of suicide. Most people who attempt suicide without a gun survive. Most who use a gun don't.

Anyway, regardless of whether suicide "counts", the death numbers alone, as enormous as they are, don't give a full picture of the damage to society from gun violence. There are also injuries, there is psychological trauma, there are crimes that are facilitated by guns, etc. In the "plus" category, there are some instances of self-defense with a gun, but they are rare, and there is no real evidence that owning or carrying a gun reduces risks from crime victimization. In fact, the evidence points in the opposite direction.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
57. NRA Talking Points
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:38 PM
Aug 2012

We'll get the same NRA Talking Points (AKA, Big Lies) posted for the next few days by the gun-relgionists.

They're getting boring, since now the parroting of those lies is happening on a weekly basis.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
63. The problem they have is that we are calling the bullshit
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:46 PM
Aug 2012

as fast as it comes anymore.

(And where did I leave my precious?)

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69. Apparently they tried to evict this gentleman
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:49 PM
Aug 2012

And he decided he wasn't going to leave peacefully.

NotThisTime

(3,657 posts)
81. The country has lost it's freaking mind....
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:59 PM
Aug 2012

May the officer RIP and his family stay strong. May the other shooting victims recover from their injuries. It's all so damn senseless.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
75. The rumor I heard was that it was a constable who died.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:54 PM
Aug 2012

Not that it makes any difference, except that constables are not not police officers in the everyday sense of the word.

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
88. my own crazy conspiracy theory...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:06 PM
Aug 2012

I think the neo-cons and the far right are somehow instigating these shootings so that Obama will be forced to institute some type of gun control before the election. This would galvanize the lowest common denominator in our society who are so gullible that they will come out in en mass to elect Dumney and Lyan. I believe this primarily because idiots like the Koch Brothers do not give one wit about human life.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
93. Not this time
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:14 PM
Aug 2012

Just another unhinged individual with easy access to firearms. But something's got to change. If this was about an eviction, then perhaps the guy thought he was just defending his "property" (even though it sounds like it wasn't his to defend.l) We've got a lot of problems in this country, and from my perspective, they're mostly right-wing in nature.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
102. UPDATE: 3 killed in shooting near Texas A&M University
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:29 PM
Aug 2012
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 4:07 PM EDT, Mon August 13, 2012

(CNN) -- A Texas constable and two others were killed Monday in a shooting near Texas A&M University, police said.

Rhonda Seaton, a spokeswoman with the College Station police department, told CNN that the three people killed were the constable, the man authorities say opened fire on law enforcement officers and an unidentified civilian.

A few minutes earlier, Asst. Chief Scott McCollum, from the same police department, told reporters that at least four people -- two law enforcement officers and two civilians -- were shot in the incident, which occurred around noon just a few blocks from the Texas A&M campus.

The dead included Brian Bachman, the constable for Brazos County, according to McCollum.

A male civilian was also killed, the assistant police chief said.

...


http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/13/justice/texas-am-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



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