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Separation

(1,975 posts)
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:28 PM Oct 2018

Beware of fake reports from "Democrats"

I read an article yesterday that was called, 'How the Democrats Killed the Blue Wave'. I wont link to it, but it was written by a woman that works for The Independent Woman's Voice. One would think, "Oh wow, obviously this is written by a Democrat and things just arent looking good."

However, I did some looking (some may have already known but I sure didnt) and this is what I found.

The Independent Women's Voice describes itself as a "nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that supports women and families by providing women with fact-based evidence showing how conservative free market solutions advance prosperity, freedom, and greater choices." This election cycle, IWV has been suggesting that Clinton's policies are worse than Trump being accused of sexual misconduct and praising Trump's childcare plan.

What you have here is a group that claims to be nonpartisan and independent and focused on women’s issues, issues of interest to moderate women that is, in fact, heavily political and spends millions of dollars to elect some pretty extreme Republicans," Arn Pearson, the group's general counsel, told NBC News.


I think the media has a responsibility to show who these people are that they are giving a voice to, and by show. I mean a paragraph or two who are paying their bills and who are actually promoting them. Not just a link to the authors name at the bottom of a page. Whether it's a panel of "experts" on a news segment, or an article linked by them.

Of course this would require honesty from the corporations that sign the checks.
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Beware of fake reports from "Democrats" (Original Post) Separation Oct 2018 OP
Excellent post. Read and heed. VOX Oct 2018 #1
So darn true. Wellstone ruled Oct 2018 #2
That group pushes that yarn about Republican economic superiority. DemocracyMouse Oct 2018 #36
This ploy was the best the Russians had and all they can do is rinse and repeat with a new cast Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #4
They won't change until it stops working... Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #25
Regarding Russian trolls, I saw something new today in Washington Post comments... VOX Oct 2018 #29
The Washington Post comments section is FULL of Russian trolls DFW Oct 2018 #34
It's a free-for-all in WaPo comments. VOX Oct 2018 #43
They probably have their software set up to reject certain symbols initially DFW Oct 2018 #44
I would expect a flurry Turbineguy Oct 2018 #3
I expect a flurry too, but not about Kavanaugh BamaRefugee Oct 2018 #10
This can't be stressed enough peggysue2 Oct 2018 #5
Just a little refresher for those who are new to the internet: Socal31 Oct 2018 #6
Thanks for This ConstanceCee Oct 2018 #7
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2018 #8
K&R Kurt V. Oct 2018 #9
Thanks for the heads up. There is misinformation all around us. Nitram Oct 2018 #11
Kick dalton99a Oct 2018 #12
It also matters where you read the article. And if its published as "opinion" 7962 Oct 2018 #13
I look with a skeptical eye at any predictions ginnyinWI Oct 2018 #14
K &R! JHan Oct 2018 #15
Russia? INdemo Oct 2018 #16
KNR!! ProudLib72 Oct 2018 #17
Sister organization to the Independent Womens Forum Sucha NastyWoman Oct 2018 #18
Independent Women's Forum my pig's eye! meow2u3 Oct 2018 #24
Putin has free reign in this country so fake news sites from russia will be more elmac Oct 2018 #19
Pardon my language . . . Roadside Attraction Oct 2018 #20
They pick the most tempting, innocent and patriotic but devious names for their orgs. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #21
Saw one today that said the nomination cemented GOP majority liberal N proud Oct 2018 #22
RWers have gotten pretty good over the years at misleading names... Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #23
wow just wow. Great catch. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #26
you didn't know this?? Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #27
Obviously I did not Separation Oct 2018 #31
Thank You for letting us know.. I sure as hell didn't know. Cha Oct 2018 #33
Bet that's a Koch-funded group. Sounds just how they operate. brush Oct 2018 #28
K&R. Highly recommended. VOX Oct 2018 #30
Bookmarking the BullShit you discovered, Separation! Cha Oct 2018 #32
A bunch of them show up on social media. Facebook, where geezers hang, is suddenly full of "new" ancianita Oct 2018 #35
Thanks to you I will be more circumspect regarding internet articles! hostalover Oct 2018 #37
Well, I'm about to open the trap door on MSNBC's ooky Oct 2018 #38
Fivethirtyeight.com is tracking the blue wave-red wave thing with data & polls. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #41
Good work. Yes, a reader has to know the source of material. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #39
There are lots of troll pieces designed to discourage Democrats IronLionZion Oct 2018 #40
There is a full court press on Twitter trying to pass this off as fact. Separation Oct 2018 #42
New K&R Guilded Lilly Oct 2018 #45

VOX

(22,976 posts)
1. Excellent post. Read and heed.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:35 PM
Oct 2018

We saw much of this ploy in 2016, and it’s a good guess that the perps of this disinformation have gotten better at practicing their subterfuge.

Don’t be misled— always read the fine print, and dig deeper for the truth.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
36. That group pushes that yarn about Republican economic superiority.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 12:02 PM
Oct 2018

Republicans suck at economic policy. It's been proven by every Republican administration going back half a century.

The economy BOOMED after the New Deal. Don't let anyone lie about Republican economics, Republican family values, Republican traditionalism. They are a lame, superstitious and conflicted party whose only significant talent is corruption and vote suppression. This has never been more true and Trump has helped to reveal the truth.

Do not fear the Republicans. Despise them and pity them.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. This ploy was the best the Russians had and all they can do is rinse and repeat with a new cast
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:17 PM
Oct 2018

of characters and Republicans willing to jump on the Russian blueprint propaganda bandwagon.

Actually consider that encouraging, they do not have any other weapons and we see all the incoming, and now it just seems laughable.

I think voters are far more wary now also.

Putin offed his chief architect of cyber warfare for not coming up with anything more but the same old stuff?

Fired really means fired in Russia.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
29. Regarding Russian trolls, I saw something new today in Washington Post comments...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 07:07 PM
Oct 2018

Posters commenting on political articles who were clearly Democrats/progressives, were somehow attracting dismissive responses calling them “Russians,” “Ivan,” “Boris,” etc.

So, either some snotty Republican domestic trolls have adopted this tactic to muddy the waters completely, or actual Russian trolls are doing it.

Either way, the effect is the same. It’s a typical Republican/right-wing dirty trick. These people couldn’t play fair and above board if their lives depended on it.

All the more reason for Democrats to bear down and move forward.

DFW

(54,956 posts)
34. The Washington Post comments section is FULL of Russian trolls
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 04:11 AM
Oct 2018

When I see them, I usually post a quick, snarky reply in Russian, and see if I get any response. If it's a right wing American, I usually a snarky response back. If it's someone who sees a reply in their native language, I get no reply at all.

By the way, if any other Russian speakers want to join in the fun, the WaPo comments site will reject a comment if it starts out in Russian, so make your first word(s) in English and then switch over.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
43. It's a free-for-all in WaPo comments.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 10:49 PM
Oct 2018

I wade into it whenever I just want to mix it up anonymously.

When I comment in Russian, I always start with English, but I was unaware that reversing the formula won’t fly.

Thanks for the tip!

DFW

(54,956 posts)
44. They probably have their software set up to reject certain symbols initially
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:33 AM
Oct 2018

They are let through if the software recognizes the initial symbols, and then it probably doesn't reject anything subsequent to them.

Turbineguy

(37,586 posts)
3. I would expect a flurry
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:56 PM
Oct 2018

of non-existent women to come forward with allegations against Kavanaugh that are easily disproved and attributed to Democrats.

Ratfucking is the specialty of maison Gop.

BamaRefugee

(3,494 posts)
10. I expect a flurry too, but not about Kavanaugh
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 04:08 PM
Oct 2018

If we win the House, there will be wave after wave after wave of false accusations against Democrats, including female Democrats, it will be non-stop, trust me on this!

peggysue2

(10,955 posts)
5. This can't be stressed enough
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:20 PM
Oct 2018

There will be a flurry of 'woe is me' literature out there; the doom and gloom squads are already out there circulating despair and angst. Check and double-check everything so you know the source and the veracity of the conclusions. And always Keep Your Eyes on the Prize:

A massive, indisputable win on November 6th.

We can do this. Because we must.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
6. Just a little refresher for those who are new to the internet:
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 03:25 PM
Oct 2018

"A concern troll visits sites of an opposing ideology and offers advice on how they could "improve" things, either in their tactical use of rhetoric, site rules, or with more philosophical consistency. The "improvements" are almost exclusively intended to be less effective."


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
13. It also matters where you read the article. And if its published as "opinion"
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 04:21 PM
Oct 2018

Merely titling something Democrat should never be assumed to mean written BY a democrat.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
14. I look with a skeptical eye at any predictions
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 04:33 PM
Oct 2018

about the mid-terms.

Nobody really knows--as with the last Presidential election--and there are any number of factions who want to suppress turnout.

Just go vote.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,770 posts)
18. Sister organization to the Independent Womens Forum
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 04:44 PM
Oct 2018

Who have been around at least since the Clinton impeachment days, probably longer. They are an anti-feminist group of women who masquerade as a pro women. Just another right wing propaganda organization

[link:http://iwf.org|

meow2u3

(24,829 posts)
24. Independent Women's Forum my pig's eye!
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 05:22 PM
Oct 2018

They're about as independent as a robot--and programmed as such to rattle off far right talking points on command!!

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
19. Putin has free reign in this country so fake news sites from russia will be more
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 04:46 PM
Oct 2018

than in 2016. GOP money and backing is helping putin do the job of destroying what little democracy we have left.

 
20. Pardon my language . . .
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 05:03 PM
Oct 2018

. . . but . . . these rightwing muthaufkahs will stop at nothing. They pose as non-partisan groups, just like the one you point out.

They generate lies that they pass around word-of-mouth, Facebook, Twitter, and blogs, then, they cite their own Facebook, blogs, etc. as the source.

I live in rural Virginia. After the 2016 election, my county and the surrounding six counties all formed Indivisible groups. We are registering voters; writing letters to editors of our local papers (in fact, we all but control the letters pages now); holding meetings open to the public that are recruiting new members; registering voters; and, threatening the incumbent Republican.

A couple of months ago, KKK recruitment flyers showed up in two of our local communities.

Now, the local Tea Party groups and one of the County Republican Committees is spreading the claim that it was Indivisible spreading the KKK flyers as a false flag operation. We have confronted these assholes about this but all they do is laugh and say, "We know you would deny it."

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,527 posts)
21. They pick the most tempting, innocent and patriotic but devious names for their orgs.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 05:18 PM
Oct 2018

Repugs have used, abused and adulterated our common dialog until one doesn't know what to believe these days.

Back in the late 90s/early aughts here in KY, they ran a woman for Congress and used the typical Repug lies and deception in the campaign, probably supported by McConnell's lie machine. One of the most devious tactics of her campaign was soliciting contributions to her creation called something like "Grandmothers for Freedom" (off the cuff, LOL), knowing full well she would work hard to marginalize Social Security and Medicare.

Republicans have absolutely no shame or regrets of their corrupt actions, ever......

Thanks for the good post, Separation!.......

liberal N proud

(60,435 posts)
22. Saw one today that said the nomination cemented GOP majority
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 05:21 PM
Oct 2018

The propaganda is going to be full blast for the next 3 weeks.

Grasswire2

(13,594 posts)
27. you didn't know this??
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 05:29 PM
Oct 2018

Independent Womens Forum was funded originally by Richard Mellon Scaife.

Some women who were groomed and deployed: Laura Ingraham. Kellyanne Conway. Ann Coulter. Barbara Cochran. Barbara Olsen.

They were deployed first to take down Bill Clinton. They have been a scourge on America.

All part of the Federalist Society - Scaife bunch.

KNOWN SINCE THE LATE '80s.

Cha

(299,505 posts)
32. Bookmarking the BullShit you discovered, Separation!
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 03:55 AM
Oct 2018

Thank You.. there's Gaslighting RF out there Everywhere determined to bring down the Democratic Party that is fighting hard to get our Democracy BACK

ancianita

(36,566 posts)
35. A bunch of them show up on social media. Facebook, where geezers hang, is suddenly full of "new"
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 11:15 AM
Oct 2018

independent voices.

ooky

(9,017 posts)
38. Well, I'm about to open the trap door on MSNBC's
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 01:27 PM
Oct 2018

non-stop coverage of how the democrats have lost their "energy" advantage bullshit and just watch some regular TV for a while until they find a different hyper talking point to lock onto.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
41. Fivethirtyeight.com is tracking the blue wave-red wave thing with data & polls.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 02:00 PM
Oct 2018

As 538 points out, it depends on what you are looking at, when you try to determine who came ahead after the Kavanaugh confirmation. Or which side is more enthused at this point, or whether the Democratic Party has lost enthusiasm among its voters lately.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
39. Good work. Yes, a reader has to know the source of material.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 01:58 PM
Oct 2018

The source doesn't necessarily mean it's true or false, but you can tell the slant or cherry picking of information, if you know the source.

I try to stick with known news organizations and neutral entities (like 538.com) for facts & info & reporting.

IronLionZion

(45,915 posts)
40. There are lots of troll pieces designed to discourage Democrats
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 01:58 PM
Oct 2018

I've seen several pieces claiming women, minorities, and young people are leaving the Democratic party and boycotting the elections or supporting Trump/GOP. There are some claiming liberals should give up, not vote, not donate, not canvas or anything else for Dem candidates. Of course there is disappointment with our party leadership and candidates. They're trying to turn a mole hill into a mountain to divide us and benefit the GOP.

DUers should be wary of falling for it and shouldn't share it.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
42. There is a full court press on Twitter trying to pass this off as fact.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 05:49 PM
Oct 2018

AFTER EDIT: I still dont know why anytime I embed something from twitter it looks all weird here.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You and others like you that suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome remind me of Baghdad Bob, as Abram Tanks were rolling through the city behind him. This is laughable, you citing opinion articles from other victims of Trump Derangement Syndrome, prove nothing.</p>— MjG (@hmh461) <a href="


?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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