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time to restart the underground railroad for choice again? (Original Post) niyad Oct 2018 OP
Yes - and I will be happy to help Pachamama Oct 2018 #1
same here. niyad Oct 2018 #2
I already told my beloved husband that Bettie Oct 2018 #7
I sure hope not. MineralMan Oct 2018 #3
They never stopped. People have been driving women to appointments Solly Mack Oct 2018 #4
thank you for that excellent information niyad Oct 2018 #6
People can figure out where best they can help. Solly Mack Oct 2018 #8
K&R, Sounds like there already has to be one for kidnapped kids uponit7771 Oct 2018 #5
Inside the Top-Secret Abortion Underground demmiblue Oct 2018 #9
I was thinking about this over the weekend. SMC22307 Oct 2018 #10
call jane. mopinko Oct 2018 #11
41 states do not have laws protecting abortion rights!!! Johnny2X2X Oct 2018 #12
when I hear "send it back to the states", my response is, "I live in the UNITED STATES--my niyad Oct 2018 #13

Solly Mack

(90,788 posts)
4. They never stopped. People have been driving women to appointments
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 01:50 PM
Oct 2018

even across state lines - for a long time now.

Among other things.

Call NARAL. Call Planned Parenthood. Several states have volunteer groups for drivers and hosts.

Donate money to groups that are already engaged in programs to help women get needed health services.

Start a program. Get volunteers to drive women and to house them when needed for overnight stays.

The networks already exist, they need to be expanded - they need volunteers.

Solly Mack

(90,788 posts)
8. People can figure out where best they can help.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 01:58 PM
Oct 2018

Donations work. They allow groups to cover the expenses - the appointment, the travel, food, everything.

Some people drive in groups - they drive so far and then another driver takes over. Women have been known to travel across country for help.

A lot of drivers who do the long hauls drive in pairs.

Most trips are 6 hours or less. One way.

Sometimes you have to stay overnight because of the stupid 24 hour wait and see bullshit. Or drive back and forth over again.

Childcare is also needed since women sometimes have to go to appointments with their kids.





demmiblue

(36,898 posts)
9. Inside the Top-Secret Abortion Underground
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 02:03 PM
Oct 2018
Code names, top-secret training, and a movement of women determined to avoid the medical establishment.

Source: Mother Jones

On a summer day in 2015, Renata and more than a dozen women, all strangers from different parts of the country, sat in a semicircle on the living-room floor of a house, deep in the rural South. A lean twentysomething with a wide smile and olive skin, Renata was the only nonwhite person in the group. And she felt conspicuous in other ways too—many of the women struck her as kind of “new agey,” and some had been involved in a “crystal energetics” midwifery program. All of them had big red binders full of worksheets and documents related to the topic at hand: how to help women self-induce an abortion. “My initial thought,” she recalls, “is, ‘What the fuck did I get myself into?'”

Renata had come from Arizona to attend the weeklong training. She learned how, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, white male doctors consolidated their professional power in part by sidelining female and often nonwhite midwives and other community healers. She learned which drugs and herbs induce a miscarriage and where to buy the small, plastic, strawlike instrument that is inserted into the uterus and suctions out an unwanted pregnancy. If problems arise, what should one say to avoid scrutiny at the emergency room? In which states is self-induced abortion, and helping women self-induce, a crime?

On the second day, the group split into pairs, and in different rooms they practiced pelvic exams. Renata (whose name, along with those of other providers and clients in this story, has been changed) and her partner, propped up by pillows, tried not to pinch each other with the plastic speculum they were still learning to use. “It was emotional,” she remembers. “It’s a heavy topic, and you’re working with each other’s bodies.” The next day, a member of the group demonstrated on a woman having her period how a manual vacuum aspiration device, a handheld plastic syringe used by clinics for first-trimester abortions, could pull out the menses—or a pregnancy.

As long as women have had unwanted pregnancies, other women have helped them resolve the problem. After the mid-19th century, when abortion was outlawed, women either found a physician who did it on the sly or turned to traditional helpers, a practice that continued even after the Supreme Court legalized abortion in 1973. Today, as abortion rights are restricted at an unprecedented rate—between 2011 and 2016, more than 160 clinics closed—this informal network of nonmedical providers is responsible for a small but significant number of abortions nationwide.


Read more: https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2018/02/inside-the-top-secret-abortion-underground/

mopinko

(70,258 posts)
11. call jane.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 02:13 PM
Oct 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Collective

thank ja jane can now bring ru 486. just need to deal w the occasional complications.
plus modern technology. vacuum machines are a lot better than d&c's.
prolly still need safe places for that long process w the pills, but...

we can do this if we have to.
let's hope we dont.

Johnny2X2X

(19,137 posts)
12. 41 states do not have laws protecting abortion rights!!!
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 02:21 PM
Oct 2018

There is a false sense of security that if Roe v Wade is overturned, that it will go back to the states and since many of us live in blue states we will be safe. THAT'S NOT TRUE!!!

https://psmag.com/social-justice/what-will-happen-to-abortion-access-in-your-state-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned

Existing laws in your state will then be back to taking precedent. In many states it will be illegal immediately. States like MI, MO, OH, WI, NM, AZ, UT, KS, SD, IA, AL, WV, MA and KY have laws on the books making abortion illegal. New legislation will have to be written, debated and passed in these states for abortion to be made legal there. Many other states have no laws on the books so laws to protect abortion rights will have to be written and passed.

Several states have laws on the books that will make abortion permanently illegal there.

niyad

(113,587 posts)
13. when I hear "send it back to the states", my response is, "I live in the UNITED STATES--my
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 02:24 PM
Oct 2018

rights should NOT depend on WHICH state I inhabit, you fuckiing assholes"

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