Dem pollster: Women are less likely to support abortion rights than men

[Odoreida]

I am very skeptical of this (and polls in general) but here goes:

Dem pollster: Women are less likely to support abortion rights than men
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/395816-dem-pollster-women-are-less-likely-to-be-pro-choice

Democratic pollster Celinda Lake said on Friday that women are more likely to oppose abortion rights than men.

“Women are much less likely to be pro-choice," Lake, who is the president of Lake Research, told Hill TV's Joe Concha on "What America's Thinking."

"Women are more religious than men, and so women are slightly less pro-choice than men," she continued.

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[bearsfootball516]

1. That flies in the face of pretty much every study, ever...

[Iliyah]

2. Democratic women are most likely to be pro-choice.

There I fixed it.

[katmondoo]

3. When will people learn, it is not about saving a life but permanent control of women

If you are apt to get pregnant you cannot get a loan, cannot get a mortgage, cannot hold a high paying responsible job, cannot raise a child on your own, all you have to have is a husband in control of your life and your decisions. That was life in the fifties about to return.

[Freddie]

10. 100%

It’s not about the “lives lost” or even about sex. It’s about controlling women, that is all.
It’s not 1973. We’ve gotten pretty used to being in control of our bodies. They take away Roe, they will have no idea of the fury they will unleash.

[dsc]

4. The article is all over the place

from slight to much less likely. I do think women might be slightly less due to the religious factor but I doubt it is a huge difference.

[RhodeIslandOne]

5. Never seen a study that says that

[hlthe2b]

6. Methinks Celinda Lake has an agenda... and it is not accurate polling, but an anti-abortion outcome.

[tritsofme]

9. Methinks you should read up on Celinda Lake before besmirching her character...

She has been a major Democratic pollster for decades.

[hlthe2b]

11. Doesn't mean she doesn't have an agenda. This finding is a profound outlier, it is only reasonable

to question--particularly since you offer absolutely NOTHING to defend your position. METHINKS you should put up or ....

I've followed the polls on this for two decades and this is questionable--highly. it doesn't take much to skew a poll if you have an agenda or a point to "prove"... Outlier polls typically have just that behind them. Of course she could merely be incompetent.

[tritsofme]

25. Again, accusing her of having an anti-abortion agenda because you dislike the results

of this particular poll is very silly, not to mention unfounded. A quick glance at some her clients include: EMILY's List, Planned Parenthood, Human Rights Campaign, and NARAL. Pretty much what you would expect from an anti-choice nutjob, right?

I don’t know the history of polling on the the dynamic between men and women on abortion rights, perhaps you could provide some context as to how this result is such an outlier? Something more perhaps than unfounded attacks on the motives of a leading Democratic pollster?

[hlthe2b]

28. I do know the history and anyone who does recognizes there is something really wrong with this poll

So is she just incompetent then, if you so badly want to defend her motives--(something that is quite difficult if you don't know her)? I call bullshit. This is such an overt outlier, it is only responsible to question its validity.


Maybe it is you who should do some research on the past 20 years of polling trends. Those on this thread who HAVE, are likewise calling BS on this poll, her methods, her agenda, her interpretation, or some combination therein.

[tritsofme]

32. Honestly, I don't particularly care about the results here or your interpretation,just wanted others

to understand how ridiculous your character attack on this woman is.

But please do inform EMILY's List, Planned Parenthood, Human Rights Campaign, NARAL, and not to mention probably every major Democratic candidate for the last 20 years that there is a traitor in their midst!

[hlthe2b]

33. Do NOT attribute words nor characterization in my post that I never used. THAT IS DISHONEST

SHAME ON YOU!

Her poll is open to intense criticism due to its overt outlier nature in opposition to 20 years of trends. The reason for it being so and thus becoming fodder for propagandizing is open to interpretation. The motives for those of us pointing that out ARE NOT.

[tritsofme]

35. You accused her of polling with an anti-abortion agenda.

I pointed out this is ridiculous. The end.

[hlthe2b]

36. I said that was one possibilty... Poor polling technique/incompetence is surely possilble as well

and YOU are the one who misstated what I said, that I called her a traitor. SHAME ON YOU.

EDUCATE yourself on the 20 year trends on this or kindly admit you do not know what you are talking about.

Defending such sheer propaganda is despicable.

[tritsofme]

39. lol, yes, you are right of course.After a few posts you allowed that she might just be incompetent.

that washed the shame right off, thanks so much !

But again please, if you think you have exposed this woman as an anti-abortion crusader, or just downright incompetent as a pollster, you ought to let those organizations I mentioned above know!

[hlthe2b]

40. I don't need to defend my creds with any of those organizations, esp. Planned Parenthood

and I know propaganda when I read it, having followed polling trends for decades. PP would NOT defend this bullshit either, so why do YOU? Hmmm?

[tritsofme]

42. I'm not defending/don't care about the poll in question.

For all I know she is off base today - or not, it is an outlier, or even a bad write up by The Hill

I am just responding to an unfair attack on a Democrat who does not deserve it.

[hlthe2b]

44. You don't care if it is false and thus propaganda favorable to anti-choice RW factions?

mmmmm. ok.

I'd say we all understand you better now.

[tritsofme]

45. No, my entire purpose for this series of posts is to completely reject the idea that Lake is

responsible for creating RW anti-choice propaganda, it is an absurd attack on a good Democrat, and you look very silly.

[hlthe2b]

46. Your insults are rather misplaced when you can not even defend her methods nor analysis nor motives

You don't know any more than any of us why she is putting out such demonstrably false crap. Worse, you don't appear to care. WELL, WE DO! At least, those of us who give a damn about women's rights to chose and the fight to protect those rights surely DO.

[tritsofme]

48. Again, people can judge for themselves. I just didn't want your nonsense attacks to go unanswered.

[hlthe2b]

49. And, I don't want false propaganda to go unanswered nor worse, defended. Nor do MOST of us!

[boston bean]

37. She questioned. How dare she, eh??

[kcr]

58. Methinks you could back it up if you wish. Why don't you show us?

If Celinda Lakes is such an unimpeachable character despite the right-wing anti-choice bullshit she pulled out of her ass, it should be quite easy.

[tritsofme]

59. Lake is a well known public figure, I listed some of her prominent clients

Which include basically all major progressive advocacy groups and major Democratic candidates for years.

If you are interested in learning more, Google is an incredible service!

[MontanaMama]

7. Uh...

No. Just no.

[Hekate]

8. Every other study I have seen says otherwise. Women want access to the full range of health care...

...especially contraceptives. Some are uncomfortable with publicly supporting abortion, but still don't want it outlawed.

The problem we have in this country is that the so-called moral majority seized the moral high ground on this issue decades ago. Or at least they claimed it was the moral high ground and were and are very loud. But in fact a very large number of women have had at least one abortion.

[hlthe2b]

13. That is exactly right and I have also followed polling on this for more than two decades.

[JHan]

12. Among religious women surely?

but I'm not sure why this matters. Rights regarding body autonomy should not be subjected to whims like "popularity".

[SharonClark]

18. Among conservative "religious" women, maybe.

[JHan]

19. Yup, after all liberal religious women exist.

[Azathoth]

14. She might be overstating it somewhat, but she's fundamentally right

Some of the most strident pro-life voices I've ever heard were women -- and there are a lot of them in the movement. Pretending that this is a gender war where pro-lifers are just a bunch of men waging war on all womankind is counterproductive.

[Midwestern Democrat]

50. I used to drive by a Planned Parenthood on Saturday mornings - every week there was an anti-abortion

protest outside of it - by FAR, the majority of those protesters were women.

[leftynyc]

15. Bullshit (n/t)

[missingthebigdog]

16. Hmmmm. This appears to be her opinion, not results of a poll.

The polls mentioned in the article draw the opposite conclusion. A quick google search yields no links to any poll supporting this conclusion.

The headline seems to be based entirely on a statement she made to an interviewer.

[Turin_C3PO]

17. I've always heard

that women were slightly more pro-choice than men. Unless that’s changed recently?

[LanternWaste]

20. Creative allegation, Ms. Lake... but no objective evidence to support it. nt

[onecaliberal]

21. Complete bullshit.

[MiniMe]

22. This gets into the usual RWNJ thing about people being pro-abortion

Many people are not pro-abortion, I'm certainly not. But I AM pro-choice. It isn't up to me to impose my beliefs and thoughts on somebody else. The RW thinks it is, sorry Felecia, most don't agree.

[GeorgeGist]

23. So which is it Celinda?

“Women are much less likely to be pro-choice,"

"Women are more religious than men, and so women are slightly less pro-choice than men,"

[BeckyDem]

24. IMHO, what is the most important poll that is consistent over time?

This one.

Most Americans want Roe v. Wade to stand, survey shows

In the new poll 67 percent of those surveyed said the 1973 Supreme Court decision should stand.

by Maggie Fox / Jun.29.2018

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/most-americans-want-roe-v-wade-stand-survey-shows-n887751

[Thekaspervote]

26. Facts! Oh how they tend to fly in the face.. must be frustrating for those selling this kind of BS

[BeckyDem]

41. Yea I'm not sure what the point of the poll is. Seems scattered to me too.

[spanone]

27. BS

[Freethinker65]

29. Nope

[LenaBaby61]

30. NO, just no. Go away ....

Celinda Lake. I've never liked her or her methodology of so-called 'polling.'

[tymorial]

31. I think this entirely depends on age and geography

In certain areas I suppose this is possible but across the entire population, i find this doubtful.

[dembotoz]

34. I have seen it.. women are a backbone of right to lie

Men have the power but lots of the mouth foamers are female

[Snake Plissken]

38. I doubt that Women are less likely to support abortion rights than men

But I wouldn't be surprised if Women voters are less likely to support abortion rights than men.

Trump did win over 50% of the White female vote after all, yet is actual support among women is very low, but none it matters if you can't be bothered to vote.

[phylny]

43. Ugh. I'm a Presbyterian Elder and Stephen Minister.

I'm pro-choice, a woman, and mother to three women.

[CTyankee]

47. OK, two questions: who is she polling and what is the MOE of this poll?

[roamer65]

51. Bullshit.

[still_one]

52. another misleading, let's stir up the shit headline from The Hill. Politico does the same thing

[still_one]

53. It is bullshit. First it depends how the question is asked. This interview supposedly looked at

various polls, and those polls also varied depending how the question was asked.

Also there are the question of under what circumstances:

1. Abortion in all cases
2. Abortion only in cases of rape, incest, or the life of the mother
3. Abortion when genetic tests indicate severe birth defects
4. Illegal in all cases
5. Other nuances

In general around 60% of Americans support Roe

What does a poll mean anyway?

[still_one]

54. I will wait until I see the midterm results, and how people voted

[SammyWinstonJack]

55. Cough*bullshit*Cough.

Nice try.

[Flaleftist]

56. "people who described themselves as practicing a religion"

Misleading bullshit poll.

"people who described themselves as practicing a religion" Is clearly not representative of all females.

Placing the "practicing a religion" condition negates this being a scientific poll on how the majority of women think. It looks like it was designed to get the desired result.

[njhoneybadger]

57. The Celinda Lake who just co-authored a book "What Women Really Want" with

FUCKING KELLYANNE CONWAY!!!!!!