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Ninga

(8,272 posts)
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:18 AM Oct 2018

Sorry to say but activists are working harder than our national party.

Taylor Swift did more for Democrats than the DNC.

I'm convinced once again that our perennial disease of "tone deafness" has taken root at the top.

Did anyone see the NBC News segment doing man on the street interviews at Southern Cal?
Did anyone see the deer in the head lights response when the reporter asked a large group of students "who's voting in Nov"? *crickets*

I've been beating the same drum for weeks...why not a National Rally?

Do this but not that?

I'm pounding the pavement just like many many other DU'ers, doing GOTV.

Many many teevee watchers are only seeing tRump rally's, tRump lies, the Kavanaugh dog and pony show.....

Is it too damn much to ask the national party to show up?



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Sorry to say but activists are working harder than our national party. (Original Post) Ninga Oct 2018 OP
this is how it has always been jodymarie aimee Oct 2018 #1
I'm 74, and yes I agree. tRump burned the playbook....he rules the airwaves and keeps on lying Ninga Oct 2018 #2
BULL.. I'm grateful for Taylor Swift's Activism Cha Oct 2018 #3
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I apologize. My point is that in these inchartered waters Ninga Oct 2018 #4
Agree. Activists are the national party. nt DURHAM D Oct 2018 #8
Thank you! EffieBlack Oct 2018 #34
I couldn't agree more. mtnsnake Oct 2018 #5
My entire point. Why is it enough to to this but not that? Ninga Oct 2018 #6
Hard to say mtnsnake Oct 2018 #41
Because Dems aren't sheep or need to get riled up atvpep rallies EffieBlack Oct 2018 #35
The comparison to Taylor Swift is nonsensical. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #7
Ok, you win. I'm totally wrong. Democrats are doing enough. We don't need a teevee presence. Ninga Oct 2018 #9
Tom Perez WeekiWater Oct 2018 #13
A quote worth repeating. OneBro Oct 2018 #16
No need to get defensive/agressive. You said the party was doing nothing, turns out you were wrong. emulatorloo Oct 2018 #17
Either we need a strong national presence or we don't. i didn't say the party was doing nothing. Ninga Oct 2018 #20
Point to the posters who said we don't need a strong national presence. emulatorloo Oct 2018 #23
Activists ARE the party EffieBlack Oct 2018 #37
Mahalo, WeekiWater! You are the bestest! Cha Oct 2018 #10
No bashing please we can do it Oct 2018 #11
Thank You! Cha Oct 2018 #12
Based on what? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #14
I am an activist. I marched against the Vietnam War. I understand the value of GOTV. I Ninga Oct 2018 #15
People here fundamentally agree with you. It is ok you weren't aware of efforts of the national emulatorloo Oct 2018 #19
I know exactly what the national party is doing. Always have, always will. Ninga Oct 2018 #22
See above emulatorloo Oct 2018 #24
I don't think a "national strategy" works in midterms - and, in fact is counteroroductivr EffieBlack Oct 2018 #25
Respectfully, we have NEVER been through a tRump midterm. We don't know what we don't know, Ninga Oct 2018 #26
Because very few people on the ground who haven't decided what they're going to do EffieBlack Oct 2018 #27
Valid point. I guess we just disagree that there is no place for a coordinated national message. Ninga Oct 2018 #30
A reminder from Tip O'Neill: "All politics is local." brush Oct 2018 #29
I understand your point zipplewrath Oct 2018 #18
I Assume You're Referencing Jacob Soboroff Me. Oct 2018 #21
Problem is, besides you and me who else knows that? It's my entire point. We either Ninga Oct 2018 #28
Bingo. When I saw his face or Log Cabin boy on msnbc, I change channel. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #32
Activists are showy; party workers WhiteTara Oct 2018 #31
All this is important, warm and fuzzy...IMO libdem4life Oct 2018 #33
Same as it ever was JCMach1 Oct 2018 #36
Calm down and quit pointing fingers SharonClark Oct 2018 #38
It is not all about what the DNC does. LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #40
 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
1. this is how it has always been
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:21 AM
Oct 2018

I am 67....we the young ones stopped the VN War....we got the pols to listen to us...

Ninga

(8,272 posts)
2. I'm 74, and yes I agree. tRump burned the playbook....he rules the airwaves and keeps on lying
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:24 AM
Oct 2018

why? Because he knows it works.

And we watch.

Cha

(296,837 posts)
3. BULL.. I'm grateful for Taylor Swift's Activism
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:24 AM
Oct 2018

.. we're all in this together.

You're being divisive and harshing on our Dems.. you have no idea what the DNC has been doing to help with our elections and the DCCC.


Ninga

(8,272 posts)
4. Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I apologize. My point is that in these inchartered waters
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:28 AM
Oct 2018

we need to do as much as needed.

i am surprised at your response.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
5. I couldn't agree more.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:29 AM
Oct 2018

For example, the DNC has done nothing to combat Trump's ridiculous, but effective, pep rallies.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
41. Hard to say
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:36 PM
Oct 2018

Hopefully they'll come up with a better strategy soon, though, one with a little more fight it in it.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
35. Because Dems aren't sheep or need to get riled up atvpep rallies
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:18 PM
Oct 2018

Rallies like Trump's work on ignorant, easily led people.

We don't need rallies - we need on-the-ground voter registration, education, mobilization and engagement. That's not sexy, it's hard work, door-to-door, person-to-person, and takes a lot more time and effort than throwing a rally and building a crowd of hollering people whom we don't even know whether or where they'll vote.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
7. The comparison to Taylor Swift is nonsensical.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:35 AM
Oct 2018

10 DNC Efforts You Need To Know About

Seema Nanda, DNC CEO

With just a few weeks to go until Election Day, November 6, 2018, Democrats aren’t taking the youth vote for granted — especially because only 30% of young women said they will “definitely” vote in the midterms, according to a recent poll by Refinery29 and CBS News.

That’s why, especially with the party newly fired up after Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation to the Supreme Court, more initiatives are springing up to get out the vote among youth. The newest one is New Blue Crew, which aims at engaging and mobilizing young voters to elect Democrats, who have recently lost ground with millennials, some of whom are gravitating toward groups like the Democratic Socialists of America.

The program is focused on recruiting volunteers on college campuses to “organize for big days of actions around events like school move-in days, homecomings, classics, and the final days leading up to the 2018 election,” according to the Democratic National Committee. Youth leaders receive training, support, organizing tools, and merch from the DNC. Since September, New Blue Crew has launched in 33 states and held voter registration drives on more than 150 campuses. (Click here if you’re interested in joining.)


DNC

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIR TOM PEREZ: Well progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability, Margaret. And we're working our tails off everywhere. I feel excited because we're organizing everywhere we're fielding great candidates everywhere. You see the energy out there. Democratic turnout in the primaries in 2018 has been up 84 percent from 2014 and so you see that out there


Face The Nation

RI Democratic Party Receives $100K Grant From National Committee

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) announced that the Rhode Island Democratic Party will receive a $100,000 grant in order to “support the party's efforts to organize in communities across the Ocean State to re-elect Governor Gina Raimondo, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, and Reps. David Cicilline and Jim Langevin, and to put Democrats in offices up and down the ticket in Rhode Island in 2018.”


Go Local Prov

There is so much more out there and good work they are doing right now. If you compare them to the couple of day media blitz Swift will get then there is nothing that can be done. That is a feat of mental gymnastics that I don't think can be overcome when analyzing these things.

Ninga

(8,272 posts)
9. Ok, you win. I'm totally wrong. Democrats are doing enough. We don't need a teevee presence.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:37 AM
Oct 2018

Sorry.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
13. Tom Perez
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:47 AM
Oct 2018














Don't forget to look over some of their more recent expenditures, some of which have to do with TV and social media.

https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/expend.php?cmte=DNC&cycle=2018

I'm not looking for a win against you and I never feel we are doing enough. Give them a nice donation so they can do more.

OneBro

(1,159 posts)
16. A quote worth repeating.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:11 AM
Oct 2018

“Give them a nice donation so they can do more.” Can someone put that to music, please!

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
17. No need to get defensive/agressive. You said the party was doing nothing, turns out you were wrong.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:41 AM
Oct 2018

Everyone makes mistakes, no one will hold a mistake against you.

Ninga

(8,272 posts)
20. Either we need a strong national presence or we don't. i didn't say the party was doing nothing.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:45 AM
Oct 2018

I said the activists are doing more.

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
23. Point to the posters who said we don't need a strong national presence.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:48 AM
Oct 2018

No one in the thread said that. We all agree on that.

I don’t understand why you are trying to pick fights with people over things they didn’t say.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
37. Activists ARE the party
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:20 PM
Oct 2018

Who do you think is doing all the work on the ground on behalf of the party?

Cha

(296,837 posts)
10. Mahalo, WeekiWater! You are the bestest!
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:40 AM
Oct 2018

I'm sure Dems would love to be on the damn tv machine if the freaking suits would let them.

Taylor Swift is great but she's not "working harder" than the DNC or DCCC.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
14. Based on what?
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:48 AM
Oct 2018

Do you know what the party is actually doing? And that Taylor Swift sending a tweet is more work than what we're out here doing?

The fact that the press runs after and covers the bright shiny object doesn't mean the party's not working their asses off. But they're never going to be able to compete with a pop star - and I don't want them to since there's more to political activism than sending out a tweet.

Do you really think a "national rally" (what is that, anyway?) is going to get those clueless kids to go out and vote? We've talked to and reached out yo these kids til we're blue in the face and get nothing but those dim, blank stares you saw on MSNBC.

Where in the hell are their parents? What kind of values did they instill in them? When are those kids going to take some responsibility for their lives and futures? When are their peers who are activists doing to reach them?

I'm out here busting my ass on the ground and working with national, statewide and local party activists who are doing the same thing and am pretty sick of being blamed because these kids who have access to more information and resources than any generation in history stand around with their scooters and iPhones shrugging and looking clueless. At some point, people have to stop blaming the party because the kids WE raised are too self-absorbed or selfish or ignorant or whatever to give a shit.

Ninga

(8,272 posts)
15. I am an activist. I marched against the Vietnam War. I understand the value of GOTV. I
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:55 AM
Oct 2018

Canvass and I work.

My only point, my entire point is that a national presence might not hurt.

Not everyone watches Sun am political shows...

What is the big deal about not thinking the cake needs frosting?

For those here who don't agree I inderstand. If all of you see my point as bashing then you have recourse.

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
19. People here fundamentally agree with you. It is ok you weren't aware of efforts of the national
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:44 AM
Oct 2018

Party. There is a lot to keep up with. We are all in this together, no need to attack those who let you know what the party is doing.

Ninga

(8,272 posts)
22. I know exactly what the national party is doing. Always have, always will.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:47 AM
Oct 2018

Clearly, people do not get my point.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
25. I don't think a "national strategy" works in midterms - and, in fact is counteroroductivr
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:10 AM
Oct 2018

1994 being an exception.

This campaign has to be won district by district, not at the national level. People have already made up their minds about Trump - the folks I'm registering and trying to mobilize already can't stand him so we don't need to keep beating that dead horse. We need to show them that our candidates for the House, Senate and state and local offices will improve their lives. That has to be done locally and a one-size-fits-all national strategy won't do that.

Ninga

(8,272 posts)
26. Respectfully, we have NEVER been through a tRump midterm. We don't know what we don't know,
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:17 AM
Oct 2018

Please help me understand how a big, positive Rally could hurt?

I am not sure I agree we don't need one. When is it ever wrong to give a coordinated, positive national message?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
27. Because very few people on the ground who haven't decided what they're going to do
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:22 AM
Oct 2018

aren't going to suddenly decide to vote for a Democratic House candidate because they watched a big rally on TV (if they even see it on CSpan, probably the only network to carry it live(.

They'll make up their mind in their community when they learn about their local candidates and how they connect to their issues.

Ninga

(8,272 posts)
30. Valid point. I guess we just disagree that there is no place for a coordinated national message.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:26 AM
Oct 2018

I say, there's room for all types of messaging.

brush

(53,741 posts)
29. A reminder from Tip O'Neill: "All politics is local."
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:24 AM
Oct 2018

Are you working in your precinct at phone banking, door-to-door canvassing, voter registration at well-trafficed locations like supermarkets, DMVs, Social Security offices, etc., date inputting, fund raising?

If everyone does so locally that constitutes a "national presence".

Doing the hard work on the ground wins elections. Hope you're doing your part. Keyboard warrioring is fine but much more actual work needs to be done out in the community.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
18. I understand your point
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:42 AM
Oct 2018

Traditionally, GOTV is a state level activity conducted either by the party apparatus, or by certain statewide candidates (or both). Doesn't mean that the national organizations like the DCCC, DSCC, and the DNC aren't funding some of it.

That said, I also understand your point about Trumps rallies. They are for the faithful, and I'm not sure how useful they are for the midterms (since they really are just all about Trump). But we haven't seen many "heavy hitters" out in various states trying to drum up participation. That may be a "yet to come" thing. The last two weeks before an election are often the most important.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
21. I Assume You're Referencing Jacob Soboroff
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:45 AM
Oct 2018

who always does Debby Downer pieces when it comes to Dems. 2016 he did piece upon piece how HRC was losing it, especially to Sanders.

Ninga

(8,272 posts)
28. Problem is, besides you and me who else knows that? It's my entire point. We either
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:22 AM
Oct 2018

direct, write and present a coordinated national message, or we let others do the messaging for us.

These are strange political times.....I like all my bases covered.

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
31. Activists are showy; party workers
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:31 AM
Oct 2018

do so much behind the scenes the get little credit. But activists are just as needed as party workers.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
33. All this is important, warm and fuzzy...IMO
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:40 AM
Oct 2018

GOTV, canvass, stuff envelopes.......

What we need is about 20 more Avenattis. Not afraid to go PUBLIC and to head to head with the nasty Rs. As it's always been, the Ds are "too nice and proper and follow the "rules" and repeatedly get kneecapped by the soulless Rs. Again, JMO.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
38. Calm down and quit pointing fingers
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:21 PM
Oct 2018

That guy on teevee interviewing people on the street to show how ignorant or uninvolved they are is doing his usual shtick. It's lazy media like interviewing farmers at a cafe. Meaningless.

LiberalFighter

(50,783 posts)
39. It is not all about what the DNC does.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:52 PM
Oct 2018

The DNC is the umbrella organization for state, district, and county parties. It provides assistance to each. Campaigns receive assistance from each depending on whether they are federal or local offices. It is up to the state and local parties to provide help to campaigns and it is up to the campaigns to get volunteers to help them win.

Having a national rally would only divert money, time, people, and focus away from individual campaigns.

It is up to the campaigns to conduct events to motivate people to vote and provide support. Rallies have been or will be happening as the election draws close. At the local level.

Nothing can get done without the volunteers (activists). And there are people behind the scenes that provide the tools for the campaigns.

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