A Moment From Black America About Kanye West....

[LovingA2andMI]

Kanye has been lost to us since the College Dropout, his last good CD. This was before his late Mother passed as a result of the after effects of an elective surgery.

Once Ms. West passed on, Kanye has been losing his mind -- seeking attention since.

From Marrying Kim K.

To Verbally Attacking Taylor Swift at an Awards Show.

To a Failed Clothing (No One In The African-American Community Want To Buy His BEEP....) Line to a Sneaker Line that no one cares about.

Kanye West was lost to us WAY BEFORE him launching like a sycophant in need of a bottle of attention -- on to Drump.

Remember, Kanye West is a Mental Case. Since he lost his Late Mother, he has had at least two -- if not more Breakdowns.

Kanye West does NOT (REPEAT, DOES NOT) speak or in anyway represents the African-American community.

Furthermore, while folks homes and personal belongings are drowning in the Florida Panhandle, Kanye West "visits" the Drump White House to (YES WE ARE SPEAKING THIS TRUTH) Shuck N Jive for Drump, Jared and Ivanka on CAMERA for 10 Minutes. #Deplorable

Again, for one last understanding -- KANYE WEST DOES NOT REPRESENT, SPEAK FOR OR ANYTHING ELSE for the African-American Community.

He's Dead To Us.

[saidsimplesimon]

1. K and R, thank you A2

[LovingA2andMI]

21. You're Welcome!

[olegramps]

91. Well at least they share much in common. Both are nuts.

[olegramps]

92. A pot or tea and some cups would make it the perfect Mad Hatter's tea party. (Pun intended)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Trump is exploiting a man who is not right upstairs.

[ProudLib72]

25. Stephen Miller, Ben Carson, John Bolton...

There is a long list of people who are not right upstairs whom he is exploiting.

[Wounded Bear]

34. I think they are using each other...

They're both attention whores out for the photo op.

[FakeNoose]

3. This is understood

West doesn't speak for ALL black people. Trump doesn't speak for ALL white people.

[LovingA2andMI]

22. Kanye Speaks For....

Kanye. He's a Mentally Ill Narcissist. Bad combination, all day, every day.

[NatBurner]

4. i have to respectfully disagree here...

late registration was his last good album

everything else was spot-on

[LovingA2andMI]

6. His Last Good Album Was....

The College Dropout, but we respect your disagreement. The rest of his CD's has been crap -- since then. At this point, we are sure that his next CD will be dedicated to Trump and The Red Hat Sycophants.

[NatBurner]

8. agree to disagree ;)

everything since was crap on a stick
808 was personally and particularly insulting :/

[OriginalGeek]

14. What were those songs he did on SNL the other night?

new ones? They were just dumb. I'm not trying to act like I know a lot about hip-hop but there are some acts I really do enjoy. He's not one of 'em as far as I've heard.

[NatBurner]

15. i opted out on that ep

[OriginalGeek]

17. i ordinarily DVR and wait

so I can zap through the music but I was jonesing for some Weekend Update and cold open and those parts did not disappoint.

[maxsolomon]

40. they were both from his new album

and were little more than sketches, IMHO.

[AZ8theist]

65. couldn't care less...

Never heard a single one of his songs and have no intention of ever doing so....

[hlthe2b]

5. He's a paradox, but someone is buying his crap... I can't fathom buying from any woman who

actively works to DElegitimize me and other women or our issues. Women who betray other women are my enemy. If they do so out of mental illness, I feel badly for them, but I still will not enable them.

So, how to explain this paradox? I just don't get it.

[LovingA2andMI]

9. There are ways to....

Inflate CD sells and Digital Downloads. No one we know has purchased a Kanye West CD or Download since The College Dropout.

[Afromania]

7. He's firmly cemented his place in the pantheon of black folks who's entire thing

is caping for white people that actively hate them. Well, good luck with that I guess it'll play for a bit.... until it doesn't. Then he'll find "yeezus" and begin the inevitable apology tour. It should be mildly interesting when he gets help or his head detrenched from his rectum. Too bad nobody will be interested enough to care one way or another.

[brush]

10. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

You couldn't be any clearer. West is delusional to the max as he thinks he's a genius.

He famously, infamously really, once said slavery was a choice and now he wants the 13th Amendment rescinded, as if his honorary "white" status will keep him from being re-enslaved. What a tomming fool.

He reminds me of the blind KKK black character of Dave Chapelle who doesn't know he's black.

[maryellen99]

13. Clayton Bigsby nt

[redstatebluegirl]

11. The one person I know who likes him is a weird white grad student who LOVES Trumper.

He quotes him all the time to prove he "likes" black people, when in fact he does not.

[dalton99a]

12. Kick

[world wide wally]

16. Assholes can come in any shape, size, or color

[Volaris]

64. If you've seen a square asshole, I wanna know where you been spending your evenings lol...

I ain't never seen one..

[world wide wally]

66. If Pat Robertson isn't a square asshole, then I don't know of one.

[Volaris]

68. You stop that right now before someone invokes Rule 34!

I was having some fun at your expense, but if we don't shut this down right now, I promise you, BOTH of us are going to regret it AND need the EyeBleach.

[world wide wally]

70. You're probably right... I give up

[Sucha NastyWoman]

18. Of course not

That’s why he makes news -because he is different from most black people

I doubt that anybody with a good head on their shoulders would look up to him no matter what ethnicity they are

[Sunsky]

19. Exactly

This young black female, totally agrees. I used to love Kanye but he's dead to me. I've erased all his songs from my playlists.

[erpowers]

20. He Needs Help

He really needs to take time to get help to deal with his mother's death. It seems like he has never really taken the time to deal with that issue. Likely, he will be like this until he deal with that issue.

Other than that, Kanye is just a broke guy trying to attach himself to the people in power in an attempt to get money. When a Democrat wins the White House, all of a sudden he will be a Democrat again and will likely try to claim he was forced to support Donald Trump.

[NNadir]

23. Of course he doesn't, anymore than the moron in chief...

...speaks for old fat bald white men like me.

To be perfectly honest, I had no idea who Kayne West actually was until recently, but my son's told me who he was. They are involved with listening to rap than I could ever be, and know something about that world.

I actually don't. For me the richness by which African Americans have blessed our country's culture for far less reward than deserved for such magnificence has very little to do with this guy.

I sometimes wonder peripherally what it is that those Kardashian people are famous for, but have never actually been interested enough to look into it. I'm not even sure what race they belong to, but whatever they are, it's not like they're Michelle Obama.

[7962]

90. The Kardashians are famous because of who they sleep with. Nothing more.

And the fact that it got recorded and released to the world. Started with Kim. And her dad was a close friend of OJ Simpson. And knew he was guilty.
The Kardashianism of America is one of the worst things to happen to society in decades.

[NNadir]

96. Thanks for sharing. Your succinct answer tells me all I need to know, if, in fact, I did...

...need to know.

[7962]

97. I love your wording. That gave me a good laugh

[Separation]

24. Not my place to judge

As an "old white male" (well 43 isnt that old ) it's not my place to judge him if he is or isnt representative of Black People. Do I have opinions? Sure, I liked what he had to say honestly. If it takes a Kanye to say on tv that the Industrial Prison Complex is a form of slavery, fine. Am I mad he dropped an F bomb in the oval office? Not really, it's a fake code of decorum for cameras. I would hope to doG that passionate real talk is being used there in that office.

Now to be fair, I didnt get a chance to hear his whole speach. I'm also in the camp of "black person" theory. Meaning, I dont think that one black person represents the community. Just like if I said something in my past that was hurtful to them, there isnt one "black person" i can apologize to and receive absolution from. I would apologize to anyone that felt they wanted one.

[CharleyDog]

26. It seems Kanye has a mental illness, bipolar, and has apparently stopped taking his medicine

he is not in control of his thoughts, and should not be exploited in this way.

Kanye, I urge you to see your doctor, and take your meds. You will feel better. When you see the tape of your actions in the Oval, you may feel embarrassed, but remember, the leaders of our country should have protected you. Not used you in this way.

[Raine1967]

46. This

Welcome to DU, CharleyDog.

I don't disagree with the OP, but he said he was misdiagnosed as being BiPolar -- after he had an album declaring he was bi-Polar.

He is not on his medication and that is sad and scary.

[Oppaloopa]

47. True

[littlemissmartypants]

85. Concur. I am concerned that anosognosia is standing in the way of him getting back on track.

It's definitely unethical to use an unwell person like a freak in a freak show of diversionary tactics. Lends more credence to my theory that we have a carnival barker, sociopath in the oval.

I'm concerned a crash is on the horizon. Is it just mania or is it possible we are witnesses to an unfolding psychotic break? Neither one is a good thing. He's openly admitted to be non compliant with his meds.

Thanks for the post, CharleyDog.

Love, peace and shelter,
lmsp

[YOHABLO]

27. I don't care for Kayne West. I think he is mentally disturbed. Money can't buy you intelligence.

[cannabis_flower]

88. You are right but...

It isn't intelligence that Kanye lacks. He is intelligent but mentally ill. Of course money can't buy mental stability either.

[D_Master81]

28. How Sway?

Him going off on Sway on live radio was gold. Here’s sway just telling him maybe he should start from the bottom and grind when it came to fashion and he wasn’t having any of it. This post sums it up. He just wants attention and Trump gives him that.

[JCMach1]

29. What happens when WEED is a gateway drug to Kardashians

TRUTH

[LovingA2andMI]

32. Good one!

[The Liberal Lion]

30. When I saw the picture of west hugging trump all I could think of was Stephen

from Django Unchained and all the love he displayed for his oppressor Calvin Candie. Perhaps in addition to his Bipolar Disorder (which I earnestly believe given his many theatrics) he's suffering from some kind of form of Stockholm Syndrome. IDK, you decide.

[LovingA2andMI]

33. Kanye Is Living Deep Down....

In the Sunken Place....unable to ever come back into the African-American Community.

[7962]

98. My friend was in that movie. Mr Stonecipher. Nasty nasty character.

[FoxNewsSucks]

31. A very smart person accurately describes Kanye West in one word

[LovingA2andMI]

35. Yep....

Exactly, What The Real POTUS Barack Obama said.

[JCMach1]

36. Stable genius???

[Duppers]

44. A hyphenated word

[aikoaiko]

37. I wonder if we can attribute the change to his collaboration with Stacey Dash

[tulipsandroses]

38. As a mental health professional - I'm ambivalent

As a person of color - I get tired of his theatrics and there are times that I've said he's canceled. I will not support his music.

However- Given that he has BPD and not on meds - none of what he does is surprising to me


He said today - he was misdiagnosed. I am not buying that. He could not stay on topic - Jumping around from one train of thought to the next. Flight of ideas. Thats a real thing with BPD and other forms of mental illnesses. That might not seem important to some - in psychiatry - that is one thing that often clues us in - its not the only thing he did, but I picked up on that immediately- his sentences did not connect.

Its a shame that he is being exploited and he does not realize it. Its a shame that there is no one in his circle to pull him off the ledge.

On the other hand - I would love for us to have an honest conversation in this country about mental health - we only talk about it when there is a tragedy. What does someone with mental illness look like? Long before they " snap?"

[Sienna86]

43. I so appreciate your thoughts

You get it.

[BeckyDem]

51. +1

[Ligyron]

53. Interesting.

I'm certainly no mental health pro but it seems to me that Tump displays many of the same characteristics as far as speech goes, i.e. flight of ideas, jumping from one topic to another, etc.

I did not know that Kanye has BPD. In fact I had no idea who he was before that deal w Taylor Swift at an award ceremony.

Sad about his mom but we all lose parents at some point.

Unfortunately, mental health issues still carry a certain stigma.

[tibbir]

71. Not a medical professional but I can respond from experience.

I have been in remission for over 10 years from bipolar II disorder. The beauty of bipolar II over bipolar I like what Kanye is surely suffering from is that there's a greater chance that you'll seek and then stay with your medication and therapy with bipolar II. I'm very lucky and he most definitely is not.

I feel extremely bad for him. Given that his conditional is cyclical, a manic episode like what he was so loudly demonstrating today is only setting him up for a tremendous period of depression that will surely follow. I wouldn't wish what he's going through on my worst enemy and the fact that Trump would exploit him the way he did absolutely disgusts me.

But then, everything that asshole does disgusts me.

[tulipsandroses]

75. I am glad you are doing well

Yes, I can not only bear witness to that professionally, but personally. I've watched family members go through manic phases followed by debilitating depression that put them right back in the hospital.
My family members with BPD - the Depression is the worst. Its funny how the media portrays people with Bipolar - Because quite often- The majority of time is spent in the Depressed Phase. That to me is the most devastating. From a personal standpoint. Its crippling and debilitating. People can't work, they can't go to school, marriages are destroyed, parents don't play with kids,. Meds take longer to stabilize in this phase. The mania meds tend to work faster to break mania. That crippling depression takes a lot longer to break.

Again - I don't know who in his circle is able to get to him. Or is brave enough, loves him enough to perhaps have him involuntarily admitted again and have court ordered treatment. I've had to do that for my loved ones. While some of us are laughing. This is deadly serious. BPD - has the highest rate of suicide. And I had one family member indeed, attempt suicide this year. Thankfully her attempt was unsuccessful.

And so, while Kanye's antics anger me. I still have compassion for what is happening to him. And even moreso given that he is being exploited in so many ways, Not only by Trump. But the companies that are still depending on him to make money for them.

For the older folks that had no idea who he is, they are making all kinds of jokes about him without understanding. his place in hip hop and pop culture.

I was reading recently that his album debut #1 as usual on Billboard, then took a nosedive its 2nd and 3rd week- Do we think record company execs want to make sure they recoup their money they put up? I read somewhere that the money made already does not cover what was spent on the artists he sampled. - I don't know anything about the music business but maybe they might want him out there to gain " new MAGA fans"
Its really quite a sad spectacle all around.

[Mosby]

76. those are also symptoms of ADD

[demigoddess]

77. what struck me was that he sounded so much like trump

they both seem to be needy for love. I can understand if Kanye lost his mother but how does that explain trump.

[Luciferous]

39. It's pretty clear he is mentally ill, and shame on

Trump for parading him in front of the media like that.

[osmium]

42. True that.

I have a schizophrenic brother(not classically so..he put his head through a windshield - severe brain trauma), and I see a lot of my brother in Kanye/Yeezy/ye.

Having a serious condition is nothing to be made a circus of...

Good call!

[NurseJackie]

41. Clothing Line? First I heard of it... had to google it... got a good laugh!!

It looks like he was trying to punk the fashion industry. It's his "Being There" collection... he wanted to be the Chauncy Gardiner of the fashion world.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3042442/kanye-wests-fashion-line-looks-like-the-bleakest-parts-of-the-matrix

[NatBurner]

49. i remember this line

nobody in their right mind would wear this shit unless they're playing a zombie on the walking dead

then 'ye raved and ranted about the fashion industry trying to blackball him :/

that's a self-inflicted wound there, hero

[NurseJackie]

69. Kanye West (Walking Dead) Clothing Line Photos ... ROFL!

[JHan]

82. goddamn.. L OL.

It really was a mess

[keithbvadu2]

74. At first glance, I thought it was the Walking Dead.

[calimary]

45. Certainly makes sense to me. Thanks so much for

this perspective, LovingA2andMI. He sure seems to crave attention. My husband watched his ridiculous camera-hogging and noted Jim Brown was sitting right there, and had NO time to speak, nor did any of the other people there who undoubtedly had important points to make as well. They got zilch. Kanye sucked it all up, mainly to talk about himself. I can see why that resonates with trump, though. Birds of a feather I guess.

[Initech]

48. I deleted all Kanye West MP3s from my collection.

And I won't miss 'em either!

[BeckyDem]

50. Of course not. Kanye has my sincere concern, he needs help. Fuck Trump.

I hope his family can help him.

[Hortensis]

52. Well, we didn't need that said and sympathize.

Mercifully, nobody tries to hang him on my husband and I, wrong skin color, but fwiw he doesn't represent us either.

[ancianita]

54. I miss the old Kanye. But seriously, do you speak for the African American Community?

Dark Twisted Fantasy? Graduation? Life of Pablo?

I've got St. Louis friends who still love him. One teaches a course on his thinking and musicology at Washington U. there.

Everyone's early stuff tends to be their best, but I've loved a lot of his music since Graduation.

Ye is well read, knows how egotistical he is, admits he's publicly grieved over his mother.

But he's playin' Trump. Ye's what the Invisible Man was -- a spy in enemy territory.

[LovingA2andMI]

56. Actually,

Yes. Any other questions?

[ancianita]

67. No, thanks. Michael Eric Dyson just now answered most of the others on Ari Melber's show.

[LovingA2andMI]

79. So....

No Thanks mean you disagree with the post. Okay...However, many, many folks agree in some form or aspect.

So, thanks, no thanks for your opinion -- although you have every right to say it.

[ancianita]

94. I told you why the "no thanks." Didn't disagree with the OP. It's just that when you speak for

a whole demographic, that question is likely going to come up, even if forum rules protect real identities.

I like Kanye for his musical history, and you don't, and I do agree on your take of his recent behavior.

No need to put shade on my "no thanks" answer, which meant I found answers elsewhere -- and I said where -- that's all.

[Sunsky]

57. I'm sure the poster was speaking for the majority

Not everybody. Just listen to black radio's discussion of Kanye.
He has even told us that he isn't loved in the black community for his stance on Trump. He has basically told us that we are brainwashed, close minded and he is here to open our minds.

"Ye" needs to take his meds, get off his soapbox and get help. Kanye can go f himself. I'm done with him.
Well read, I see no evidence of that. His speech today sounded like the ramblings of someone with mental health issues.

[LovingA2andMI]

59. Thank You Sunsky....

For explaining this clearly. Appreciated.

[LovingA2andMI]

58. And This....

But he's playin' Trump. Ye's what the Invisible Man was -- a spy in enemy territory.

He's Off his Meds and Mentally-Ill. Period.

[ProfessorGAC]

60. " Everyone's early stuff tends to be their best..."

Huh? Beatles, Stones, Police, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Joni Mitchell, Public Enemy, NWA??????
Those are all in the RR HoF

[ancianita]

63. I'm not getting into your list cuz I can provide just as many. Music is an aesthetic, not a science.

Ye's later stuff is just as good as his early stuff, was my point.

[ProfessorGAC]

87. The List Wasn't Up For Discussion

You made a sweeping statement that is provably untrue based upon the track record of several bands that sold tens of millions of records and are all in the Hall of Fame.

Then you get on your high horse? Really?

Sheesh!

[ancianita]

93. You. On your high horse you "disproved" a point I made in service of a larger point. Don't project.

Even the OP wouldn't be bothered with my music point because she knows how subjective "best" album discussions are.

I'm dealing with the OP's main point about claiming to represent the African American community and their view of Kanye's music in weighing his latest weirdness.

You're the silly winner of your confrontation here because you took a shot at supports, not my main point.

You argue in bad faith by hijacking my comments to the OP, which you don't even care to address.

Stop.

[MaryMagdaline]

55. I'm sorry you even have to say this. Ted Nugent doesn't rep me either

AA vote right 95% of the time. Kanye West is not on any black person’s conscience.

[GaYellowDawg]

61. I think it's a shame you have to say this

Again, for one last understanding -- KANYE WEST DOES NOT REPRESENT, SPEAK FOR OR ANYTHING ELSE for the African-American Community.

Please feel free to correct me if I have this wrong. It's been my understanding that characterizing the entire African American community based on what any one individual says or does is a form of racism. The African American community is no more monolithic than any other community, and therefore, I would not think that any one individual who happens to be African-American could possibly speak for an entire community.

I don't even understand why this needs to be a reminder. I can understand the necessity for the reminder, but what I'm saying is that it shouldn't be a necessity!

I dislike Kanye West because he uses his public platform to support Trump and says a lot of completely ridiculous shit along the way. To be honest, I lump him in with Ted Nugent and Kid Rock. Crazy, ill-informed, and not too bright. If there's any community he does speak for, it's slack-jawed, mouth-breathing, crazy-assed Trumpers.

[LovingA2andMI]

83. Agreed....

It should not have to be reminded but in the age of today's strange politics, nothing should be left to chance.

[The Mouth]

62. He is a sad man in desperate need of healing

Genuine talent, at least at one point, but something ain't quite right upstairs.

Talk about someone needing 'thoughts and prayers', although to my unprofessional view he needs counseling and medication.



However, it shouldn't be all that surprising that two narcissists hit it off.

[The Conductor]

72. We Get It...

As an old white guy, I'm plenty embarrassed by the Nazis, idiot Republicans and idiot Republican Nazis. So there is no judging any group by a single individual. I only wish to see the worth of each person; most are wonderful, some assholes.

[pwb]

73. We all loose our mothers. This guy is a freak.

Fuck him and his good buddy trump. I can just imagine the words used by trump about him when he left.

[rocktivity]

78. Congratulations, Kanye: You played yourself.

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President Duh Donald didn't think enough of you to ensure that you were present for the signing of that Digital Millenium Music Modernization Act -- I guess he figured that one black attendee was enough (Sam "And Dave" Moore), and that hiphop didn't need to be represented. P.S. He's moved back to his native Chicago without his family, which suggests that his days as a Krap-Trashy-an are numbered.


rocktivity

[blue-wave]

80. Thanks for Posting

I know many African Americans and after watching his most recent rant on video, I wanted to have a discussion with them about their feelings. Thanks for the insight. I am though, very worried about Kanye's mental health.


Most recent rant:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017515006

[Haggis for Breakfast]

81. Snoop had a take on all this when he said that

There aint no Black women in his life holding him accountable. No Black women straight from Church with them big-ass church hats on calling him out on his behavior, "Nephew ?" and giving him the "What up, witchu Boy." "Cuz you will not run your BS on Big Mama."

I may be paraphrasing come of what he said. But you get what he meant.

I think the man need an intervention.

[LovingA2andMI]

84. Snoop is on the Right Mark....

Here. Right On Point, Indeed.

[The Wizard]

86. He's very strange (NT)

[TNNurse]

89. We have seen evidence of his instability for some time.

Can you explain what Jim Brown was doing there with him nodding his head like he agreed???

[LakeArenal]

95. Even sadder, he's dead to Drump as well

He looks unhinged to everyone.