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Thanks...I just donated Demonaut Oct 2018 #1
Whatever happened to his project to help immigrant children? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #2
It's all on this DVD... jberryhill Oct 2018 #6
... which seems to have disappeared into Al Capone's vault. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #7
Oops, wrong tweet jberryhill Oct 2018 #9
I must getting old and absent-minded because I just can't remember any of that stuff. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #12
Not finding anything dated after he created his PAC Roland99 Oct 2018 #8
I don't trust him either - too much of a showboat - however elfin Oct 2018 #3
I think he got a bit too enamored of the media spotlight, The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #5
You should always donate to candidates directly and not a PAC unless you have or will donate... PoliticAverse Oct 2018 #4
That's why I donated Demonaut Oct 2018 #11
That's true, but MoveOn is a pretty good one, at least around here. ecstatic Oct 2018 #32
Do you imagine that Cohen would have pleaded guilty to a felony implicating Trump... irresistable Oct 2018 #10
That's something that would have happened regardless Roland99 Oct 2018 #13
It already was happening jberryhill Oct 2018 #15
The federal investigation of Cohen began before Avenatti took the Daniels case jberryhill Oct 2018 #14
Karen Macdougal Roland99 Oct 2018 #19
Ah, right, the lady who won her case and is done with it already jberryhill Oct 2018 #21
Did Avenatti represent her? I thought it was some other lawyer. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #26
He didn't break it open. Cohen was already under investigation The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #17
Wouldn't using those funds to cover his debts be illegal? dem4decades Oct 2018 #16
Hence it's a question. And a damned good one Roland99 Oct 2018 #20
Depends jberryhill Oct 2018 #22
Yes, PAC funds can't be used for personal debts. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #23
NO. Why are you twisting this? His business debt has nothing to do with the PAC funds pnwmom Oct 2018 #18
His pattern of self aggrandizement is painfully obvious Roland99 Oct 2018 #24
He's a showboater. That doesn't mean he's stealing PAC funds for his business debt. pnwmom Oct 2018 #28
Gut instinct. He's a grifter looking out for himself Roland99 Oct 2018 #29
Gut instinct doesn't excuse lying about a Democrat. Criticize him for showboating, pnwmom Oct 2018 #30
So you're accusing him of theft and fraud because of your "gut instinct?" Do I have that right? catbyte Oct 2018 #33
OMG - he actually PUBLICLY STATED where the funds would go! brooklynite Oct 2018 #25
Frankly, I don't give a DAMN if he takes down Trump, et al. bitterross Oct 2018 #27
Unlike another who has done similar, Avenatti is being straight up here. George II Oct 2018 #31
Yeah, that's some pretty brazen link trickery. blogslut Oct 2018 #34

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
2. Whatever happened to his project to help immigrant children?
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:31 PM
Oct 2018

Haven't heard anything about that lately....

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Oops, wrong tweet
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:40 PM
Oct 2018

I meant this one:



He blew that thing wide open with the ICE whistleblowers and outside contractors, don’t you remember? He brought all of their info to us, so we could decide what happens next.

Anyone who criticizes him is a right wing Trump-loving troll!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
12. I must getting old and absent-minded because I just can't remember any of that stuff.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:44 PM
Oct 2018

I try to pay close attention to bombshell revelations like that but I just must have missed it. Darn!

Roland99

(53,345 posts)
8. Not finding anything dated after he created his PAC
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:37 PM
Oct 2018

This article is a bit revealing

https://www.yahoo.com/news/harnessing-star-power-reunite-families-michael-avenatti-responds-questions-tactics-3-174850385.html

But Matthew Kolken, a Buffalo-based immigration attorney and elected member of AILA National’s board of governors, told Yahoo News that “those of us who have been in the trenches are uniform in our concern about the way he is handling cases.” Kolken said he’s spoken to about a dozen other attorneys with expertise in deportation defense over the last week or so, and “there’s been pretty much a meeting of the minds.”

Though a number of Avenatti’s tactics have raised red flags over the past two months or so since he joined the family separation fight, the primary point of contention right now is whether the celebrity lawyer-turned-prospective presidential candidate is equipped to provide the best legal guidance to the nearly 80 immigrant parents and 100 children he told Yahoo News he’s now representing pro bono — a caseload one experienced attorney described as “insane.”

Amid ongoing efforts by advocates to ensure the rights of all separated children to pursue their own claims of asylum or other legal relief in the United States, Avenatti drew much scrutiny last week with the highly-publicized return of an 8-year-old client to his deported mom in Guatemala, the country his mother had previously said they fled due to fears of growing violence. That case, which Avenatti told Yahoo News is one of “multiple” in which he’s returned separated kids to parents who were deported without them to their home countries, has specifically raised questions about whether, in an effort to quickly reunite separated families, Avenatti may be foregoing some of his clients’ legal rights to relief in the U.S. and, inadvertently, putting them in harm’s way.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
3. I don't trust him either - too much of a showboat - however
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:32 PM
Oct 2018

I did appreciate his earlier efforts against Cohen and raising the visibility of other issues in a media-savvy way

With his announced possible interest in furthering his own career into possible POTUS aspirations, I am no longer a fan.

Possible financial shenanigans are not a surprise. An "operator."

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
5. I think he got a bit too enamored of the media spotlight,
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:33 PM
Oct 2018

and all the fawning he got made him think he should run for president. He might be flying too close to the sun.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
4. You should always donate to candidates directly and not a PAC unless you have or will donate...
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:32 PM
Oct 2018

an amount over the legal individual campaign contribution limit. Otherwise your donation to the
candidate gets reduced by the cut the PAC takes and/or may go to a different place than the candidate(s)
you wanted to support.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
32. That's true, but MoveOn is a pretty good one, at least around here.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:26 PM
Oct 2018

They are relentless in calling, texting, and getting out the vote.

 

irresistable

(989 posts)
10. Do you imagine that Cohen would have pleaded guilty to a felony implicating Trump...
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:42 PM
Oct 2018

without Avenatti breaking it open....that lead to Cohen cooperating not only with Mueller but with NY State. How can we win as Democrats if we tear down the people who are fighting on our side?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. It already was happening
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:51 PM
Oct 2018

But it’s fascinating how people don’t seem to grasp that.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
14. The federal investigation of Cohen began before Avenatti took the Daniels case
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:51 PM
Oct 2018

Avenatti lucked out from a PR standpoint since the federal investigation of Cohen became public after the Daniels case got started. But the information about the payments to Daniels and to the other one whose name escapes me at the moment, we’re known back in January. That’s when Common Cause filed their FEC and DoJ complaints.

It was made clear from USAG filings in the Cohen case that their referral came in around mid to late a February at the latest. Avenatti had absolutely nothing to do with that.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. Ah, right, the lady who won her case and is done with it already
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:00 PM
Oct 2018

Avenatti got her case resolved fairly quickly.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
17. He didn't break it open. Cohen was already under investigation
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:56 PM
Oct 2018

and the results as to Cohen would have been the same regardless of the Stormy Daniels case.

dem4decades

(14,057 posts)
16. Wouldn't using those funds to cover his debts be illegal?
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:54 PM
Oct 2018

What evidence do you have to make that comment?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
23. Yes, PAC funds can't be used for personal debts.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:04 PM
Oct 2018

But they could be used to finance his presidential campaign, so I'd want to know exactly what Avenatti intends to do with those funds.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
18. NO. Why are you twisting this? His business debt has nothing to do with the PAC funds
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:58 PM
Oct 2018

and you have to know that.

And he's a registered Democrat so I don't know why you're comparing him to the perennial Green party nominee.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
28. He's a showboater. That doesn't mean he's stealing PAC funds for his business debt.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:12 PM
Oct 2018

Why does it help your case to attack him unfairly? Go after him on complaints you legitimately have, not made up stuff.

Roland99

(53,345 posts)
29. Gut instinct. He's a grifter looking out for himself
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:16 PM
Oct 2018

Beware of blind support simply because he’s attacking trump

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
30. Gut instinct doesn't excuse lying about a Democrat. Criticize him for showboating,
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:21 PM
Oct 2018

or even call him an all-purpose term like "grifter" -- but don't accuse a Democrat of fraud or theft unless you have evidence.

catbyte

(39,152 posts)
33. So you're accusing him of theft and fraud because of your "gut instinct?" Do I have that right?
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:28 PM
Oct 2018

If that's indeed the case, why should we follow your "gut instinct" accusing him of felonious acts simply because you don't like him? Remember, Bush's "gut instinct" took us into an illegal war in Iraq that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and destabilized the entire region. I really hope I'm misunderstanding you.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
25. OMG - he actually PUBLICLY STATED where the funds would go!
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:06 PM
Oct 2018

Will this evil genius never stop?

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
27. Frankly, I don't give a DAMN if he takes down Trump, et al.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:10 PM
Oct 2018

FFS, if he can take them down then great. I'm tired of losing, losing, losing because everything has to be so fucking pristine about everyone.

FUCK THAT! It is far past time to be dirty, get dirty and take down the opposition.

So FUCKING WHAT if he gets rich and famous from it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
31. Unlike another who has done similar, Avenatti is being straight up here.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:23 PM
Oct 2018

He's saying on the first page that a donation will be split between Beto and Avenatti's PAC.

Another politician has done the same thing, but his name is hidden on the first page, which says simply "split between XXXX and others" (this was done more than once with Democratic candidates in the Midwest primaries). You have to go to the second page to find out who the "others" are. This was discussed on DU back in the Spring.

Plus, I don't think that Avenatti's PAC contributions can be used for his legal bills. There are strict rules on how PAC money can be spent.

blogslut

(39,167 posts)
34. Yeah, that's some pretty brazen link trickery.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:28 PM
Oct 2018

Shame on you, Michael.

I'm not commenting on Avenatti's personal financial situation. But for a website financial transaction, that's some shady shit.

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