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LexVegas
(6,379 posts)Response to LexVegas (Reply #1)
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Cha
(303,048 posts)or was it only yesterday?.. I wasn't impressed.
And, now this?
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leftstreet
(36,202 posts)Response to leftstreet (Reply #3)
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Coventina
(27,653 posts)We have had a few conservatives over the years.
They were allowed to stay as long as they did not violate the TOS.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,988 posts)When I was a kid I had two friends who were Mormons. Looking back they were more mature than other kids and exhibited more empathy. What do you want to know about us ?
Maybe we can convert you. "I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance." Consider me a political evangelist.
I'm a Christian and a liberal and see no incongruity between the two.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,988 posts)Harry Reid is a Mormon and he is fairly liberal.
I don't know how the mods will react. I do know if you support Republicans and/or especially Trump you will be banned.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,988 posts)Did you go overseas to evangelize ?
I'm a lapsed Baptist but still a believer. They are heavy on evangelizing but it's not a right of passage.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,988 posts)He was intolerant of Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. I'm sure that doesn't come as a shock to you.
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roamer65
(36,905 posts)Your next door neighbor is helping your mind open.
Remember...minds are like parachutes...they only function when they are open.
Your very liberal next door would be welcome here, btw.
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Oneironaut
(5,731 posts)I would recommend Discussionist, where both sides are allowed. The level of discourse there is pretty bad, though. Reddit is better.
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LuvLoogie
(7,430 posts)the people that still support him are dead weight in the endeavor toward a more perfect union.
Turin_C3PO
(15,183 posts)who dont support Democrats. Do you approve of Donald Trump? Theres a sister site to DU called Discussionist that allows all points of view.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Due to TOS... but I'll be honest.... and this will sound insulting,a no I don't mean it be.... but if you buy the LDS religion, you've been conditioned to buy anything. I grew up in a Christian, consetvative family. But I've always been a critical thinker. I've always looked at the evidence. And in my early 20's, I dumped conservatism for the fraud it is. Religion too. It started with rejecting creationism, but as I studied the origins of the abrahamic relgions, I came to the inevitable conclusion it's the same as any other made-up religion. From there, it was much easier to see through the constructed lies of the American conservative movement. It becam obvious who it served. I urge to examine your beliefs at the most fundamental level. See the liars and con,en for who they are. And act on it. I wish you peace.
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Explore them. You do not have to be a victim of your own culture.
Oneironaut
(5,731 posts)(Not what the OP is doing, but it's similar)
I hope the OP keeps exploring views outside their own current world view.
FreeState
(10,661 posts)Message me - RM, born in the covenant.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,988 posts)"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. "
Acts 4:32
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)If you sincerely act here the way you described that you want to, being mindful of not trying to be disruptive, I personally welcome you and appreciate your reason for wanting to be here. Thanks for being honest.
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Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)P.S. (again assuming your sincerity) if you do get banned please at least come back and lurk. It is healthy to challenge unchallenged political beliefs, And if you ever do become a true Democrat later you can try to register again. DU allows members to "alert" on posts that they feel violate the community standards. If you gets alerted on too often you can get banned for being disruptive if juries agree with the alerter. So you may be skating on thin ice here. Good luck to you though, sincerely.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)Liberalhammer
(576 posts)Then I already know your views, and they are all terrible.
roamer65
(36,905 posts)Please explain your motives further.
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roamer65
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roamer65
(36,905 posts)This site is for those who support and vote for Democrats.
What do you think of former Senator Harry Reid? He is a Mormon.
brush
(56,472 posts)canetoad
(17,851 posts)Doesn't ring true. You can stay here and lurk for as long as you like. You obviously intend to make inflammatory posts.
I vote
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bdtrppr6
(796 posts)just don't be an asshole. or too Repukey. be rational and thoughtful and you'll be fine. this ain't 4chan.
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Freethinker65
(10,827 posts)Kali
(55,517 posts)as it is meant for Democrats and Democratic supporters. there is a sister site by the same admins that allows all veiws, though there isn't a whole lot of actual discussion, it is pretty rough and a lot of the conservative posters are just trolls (as are a couple of the left side, but there are less of us now). DU is the best place to get news and read some of the differences inside of the Democratic tent, but the conservative point of view is not welcome.
https://www.discussionist.com/
someone on the right who is not just an obnoxious troll would be a good addition over there. check it out.
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Cha
(303,048 posts)We All want to Start taking our Country Back from the Fascist trumputin Regime in November.
Shocking Reality Based " (((((((((ECHO CHAMBER!)))))))))"
Kali
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Polybius
(16,910 posts)Did you vote for him or Evan McMullin? Are you voting for Romney this year?
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JI7
(90,117 posts)and talk to them ?
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,988 posts)However don't forget that many of us were civil and are as interested in you as you are in us. We want a nation where everybody is treated with dignity regardless of their race religion, lack of religion, gender, and sexual orientation. We want a nation where every child can realize his or her potential. We want a nation where even its poorest citizens live free from want.
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Polybius
(16,910 posts)My best friend lives in Utah. Politics aside, it's a very beautiful state if you can take the cold Winters.
Aristus
(67,685 posts)tell you to stop worshiping?
If not, tell Marie Osmond to STFU.
I'm a Christian.
Why do right-wing Christians insist they're being persecuted?
Because gay people get to exist?
Because we don't Torquemada anyone who isn't a right-wing Christian?
Because women get to choose what they get to do with their own bodies?
Why do right-wing Christians want so desperately to believe that they're persecuted?
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JI7
(90,117 posts)leaning ?
why not go to some local groups and talk to them if you want to understand ?
JI7
(90,117 posts)lindysalsagal
(21,963 posts)So, that's point of view #1. Regardless of whether or not you want to admit that you are also an individual, with self-determination and independent powers of critical thinking and determination, you are, in fact, an individual with self-determination and independent powers of critical thinking and determination, just like me.
2. We live in a country that began for the sole purpose of permitting all religions, or none, and to not establish any religion as a state religion.
3. Just as you believe you should be able to live according to your religious beliefs, so do I.
4. Where we differ is in the attempt to use the constructs of government to enforce specific ideologies based on specific ancient relics on those who are not members of that ideological group, by creating and enforcing laws governing many things, including reproduction.
5. I also don't think people who subscribe to worshipping invisible sky beings should be allowed to break the law by not paying taxes. If you can't produce your god, who supposedly overrides human laws, then pay up, Since when does a god require a 7% tax break???
6. I also don't think it's ok to "home school" children so as to better inculcate them in cultish religious doctrine: If your doctrine cannot withstand exposure to public schooling, which, by law, can not and does not influence children religiously, then it's a pretty lame-ass doctrine and needs to be forgotten to the ashes of history.
7. One last place we differ is on old translations of very old books: They prove nothing.
I hope you've noticed that I haven't dickered on details: The details are irrelevant. If any of the churches were right, people wouldn't shop them to find the one that "suits" them. People wouldn't build several churches in one country town when the town has enough trouble supporting one.
I also hope you've noticed that religion is a function of birth location: Born in an arab country? 99% chance you'll be muslim.
Does that help?
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lindysalsagal
(21,963 posts)I only stated what is measurably in front of us, every day.
When people make claims that there are gods and they impose their will on humans, it's up to them to prove it.
And anyway, why does god need the republicans to impose his laws through ours? Did you ever think that maybe god's a democrat? Democrats are the ones who want to care for the sick, young, and elderly, and feed and house everyone. I think that turns up in most religious texts, doesn't it?
pnwmom
(109,393 posts)Nicole Wallace, Rick Wilson, and Ana Navarro are all conservatives who oppose Trump.
I understand you are a conservative.
How do you feel about Trump?
JI7
(90,117 posts)that they can't answer because it would get them banned.
roamer65
(36,905 posts)If you are a Trumpist, then you need to leave.
If you are anti-Trump, then we have common ground.
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roamer65
(36,905 posts)Being pro-Trump would. Is that why you wont answer it?
pnwmom
(109,393 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,988 posts)pnwmom
(109,393 posts)His supporters, for whatever reason, have made their peace with supporting a man who has made it his business to promote hate. Who still leads his fans in shouts of "lock her up" at his rallies. Who scapegoats brown and black people whenever he thinks it will make him more popular.
So I don't see a supporter of Trump's belonging here, but it's not up to me to decide.
Salviati
(6,028 posts)Broadening ones horizons is always a good thing, and everyone could stand to be more versed in other peoples points of view.
I can't fortell your future here, but I can offer some advice:
Read more than you post. I certainly do. If I posted everything I typed out, my post count would probably be 2-3 times higher, but also filled with half written posts. God gave you one mouth and two ears for a reason.
Ease into engagement. Don't expect people to respond to everything or anything you post. That's true of people who are already in agreement with the politics here, and probably more so for your situation. The surefire way to get replies is to post something controversial, but that road would lead to a quick pizza delivery for you - Tombstoned - i.e. banned. If you do end up sticking around for a while, I expect this thread to have the most replies to it than any you'd start for a long time.
In that vein, you probably don't want to start lots of threads, lest people think you're concern trolling or sealioning. My suggestion is to find threads where you agree with the poster, and enter a discussion about that. Maybe you're coming at it from a different angle, and there can be some good synthesis of differing viewpoints. It sounds like you're here for engagement on more significant topics, so pictures of cats is likely not what you're looking for, but something brought you here, so I'd think there's got to be some overlap in what you're thinking and what the prevalent viewpoints here are.
It sounds like you already know what not to do around here if you want to avoid the banhammer, don't get into debates, don't be a jerk in general, and be aware that at this election time, everyones nerves are on the ragged edge, so tread carefully. Don't give the impression that you're trying to waste peoples time, and do give the impression that you're trying to learn.
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LostinRed
(844 posts)Mormon or LDS anymore. Heard there was a rebranding effort.
elleng
(134,883 posts)You can read stuff, with no consequences.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)But we do have rules that apply to everyone. If you stay within the rules, you should be OK. Time will tell if you're a troll or not. Since this is a Dem forum, we have lots of folks with different viewpoints, and we have been known to disagree, but we're supposed to do it in a consciously respectful way.
Personally, I'm a Buddhist. So I bring that viewpoint. Others here are Christian, Jewish, and some are not religious at all. I find most folks here to be well-educated and knowledgeable about politics and current events. So if you have an open mind, you should be able to learn a thing or two.
ecstatic
(34,033 posts)It's a concept conservatives don't seem to understand until they themselves are in a tough situation.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)You know, if there was ever a faith community in this country that should have been flaming liberals in favor of pluralism, civil rights, and diversity, after Haun's Mill, Nauvoo, and Carthage Jail, it probably should be the LDS... and yet, Mountain Meadows.
And, yes, that was all in the Nineteenth Century, so one would have hoped the lessons would have been learned, but apparently not, if you have to state "I joined the other day, in hopes to try and UNDERSTAND your point of view."
Here's a hint: "...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
Let's start with that, shall we? If that doesn't make it clear to you, perhaps Matthew 7:12 (KJV) does...
But if not, I'd recommend Matthew 7:5.
ellie
(6,943 posts)My question, for Christians who are republicans, How can you sit by and let this administration tear families apart and put children in cages, and then illegally put the children up for adoption?
You can't.
So, until Christian republicans step up and help stop this despicable practice, I do not care what they have to say. The silence from Christians is telling. You are not a Christian if you sit by and do nothing.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Silence implies consent.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)I understand wanting to learn, but also understand that we are VERY frank here, and many of us will be very frank with you.
So let's begin. First, we love our nation, the flag, mom, and apple pie just like "conservatives." However, I hesitate to even call today's Republicans "conservative." It has become the party of Trump which amounts very much to a right wing radical cult. The GOP of Lincoln, TR, Ike, etc. is dead and gone.
We don't think government should do everything, but it should certainly do some things. It should work in everyone's best interest, not just mainly for the rich and privileged. We believe in progressive taxation, middle class economics as opposed to failed trickle down where nothing trickles down, healthcare and retirement security, education, a healthy environment, good wages, equal rights, and respect and welcoming of everyone regardless of race, color, creed, gender, national origin, and sexual preference. We value science and reason.
We see the R party as beholden to the big corporations who buy off the GOP politicians. The GOP has no problem crawling through hurricanes to give tax cuts to the rich while ripping healthcare away from millions as they voted to do.
Trump is a national disgrace and embarrassment. How could a believer in the love of Jesus Christ vote for someone so vile and awful as Trump? It is supremely hypocritical. He is rotten to the very core. I won't count the ways. If you are honest you know it too.
Many of us certainly want to see the GOP crushed at the polls in November. They have turned their souls over to Trump, refuse to keep him in check, and have entirely failed to govern. They must be fired and replaced.
Here is where we are.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,860 posts)I get what you are trying to do. Honestly, I think that's what Skinner (DU head honcho) wanted to accomplish with Discussionist, but it has sadly devolved into a lot of not-very-thought provoking trolling.
It gives me a faint glimmer of hope that Utah has, of late, produced Evan McMullin and Jon Huntsman. These aren't people I necessarily agree with in large measure, but they are people with whom Democrats could have a dialogue; with whom Democrats might be able to find some common ground and make policy.
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kcr
(15,484 posts)And there's only one reason a Trumper has any interest in our echo-chamber. There's a reason we like it that way. Enjoy your stay.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)and not supporting Trump in any way................................................
then no one will give you a hard time..no one will ban you, no one will even argue with you..but that neutrality must be constant... Sure you can be neutral and stay. Perhaps you can ask a question that is neutral....
Question like..."What is it about Warren that appeals to you, and why do you think she would make an outstanding president."....It is a neutral question. and I guarantee that you will learn from us..........
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UNFORTUNATELY....AFTER AWHILE.... if you pay close attention, and listen honestly to the arguements...that is honestly and reflect on them.....got some news for you...........but after a while....you will........are you ready?????????????
After a while you will agree with us...that is correct, you will start to agree that our opinions are the correct opinions to have in this modern selfish world...
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Do you know why?..........simple...because we care about the rest of the people and the others side is basically selfish...that is why... I would be in favor of you staying if you are not rude or disrespectfull.....but...
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED..., you will end up agreeing with us.. because we favor all of us, and they are selfish assholes...if you stay and listen carefully that will be your conclusion...
...it is that simple....the other side's total point of view is ...selfishness..me and me alone...just look at their leader and what he believes in...you have been warned....!!!!!!!
still_one
(94,960 posts)Harry Reid
The question is are you supporting Democrats in the midterms in 2018?
If the answer yes, then there shouldn't be an issue.
If the answer is no, then there are more than sufficient political forums out in the internet for those discussion.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)working to make sure same sex marriage remained not legal a few years ago
For example, church members represented as much as 80 to 90 percent of the early volunteers petitioning voters door-to-door and 50 percent of the campaign funds with Prop 8 in California
Certainly the church has had some unique marriage formations in the past and I would think they more than other groups would understand letting people do "their own thing" . If it's backlash for polygamy being outlawed why turn it around specifically on gays ?
I just always wondered about that and since you are conservative Mormon I thought maybe you could explain the intense focus on homosexuality the religion has had for awhile . Has it changed at all on opinion ? Is it all sects ? The majority?
A second question on what has changed with Mormons and race? I always thought the church strived to be "White and In Gods favor" but a friend of mine was dating a 1/2 Black 1/2 Hispanic Mormon guy in Chicago last year. I kept asking are you sure he's Mormon not Jehovah witness or something ? But she went to Mormon gatherings where it was all POC . Has the church changed some of the restrictions on Blacks in the church or was this a group of outliers ?
It wasn't that long ago that I read really racist comments from leaders like Jeffs.
Same questions again .
Is it just certain sects that were always like that? The majority ?
Is that the right term - sects? Or denominations, or split up by temples ?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,988 posts)Hopefully they will have the same metamorphosis on sexual orientation.
TlalocW
(15,571 posts)If you're being held captive say, "I believe Louisiana is the Pelican State."
TlalocW