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MineralMan
(150,889 posts)
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)MineralMan
(150,889 posts)BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)MineralMan
(150,889 posts)BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)elaborate?
MineralMan
(150,889 posts)I get it that they don't like the guvmint. I get that they want a libertarian world with only the sheriff as law enforcement. I get that they want to be their own sovereign selves. However, I have never noticed that they are concerned much with minorities. In most of the places I've been, they don't much like minorities.
So, I'm not seeing how getting rid of the ATF, BLM, and other "unelected" law enforcement is going to benefit those minority folks in the cities. Nope. Not seeing that at all.
What I'm seeing is all those "country folks" voting for Donald Trump out there. That's what I'm seeing. I'm not seeing that they give much of damn about any sort of city folks, really, and especially not the city folks who don't look like them.
So, yes, I watched your video. I don't share your opinion about any of this. I'm perfectly happy for you to live your country life. That's OK with me. I hope you get a good sheriff, rather than some of the ones I've known in country places.
But I'm not buying into your "no government but the sheriff" deal at all. Nope.
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)this isn't my video.
second. have a great day, I'd rather not engage with you further.
MineralMan
(150,889 posts)I commented briefly, and you asked for additional information. I can understand that you'd rather not engage with me further. That's OK with me. Really.
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WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Or you simply weren't able to comprehend it.
MineralMan
(150,889 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)There are other inaccuracies you have promoted as well. I don’t get the point of being so passive aggressive and dishonestly representing a video that was shared. A pretty good one at that.
MineralMan
(150,889 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Heading out for Canada?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211286259
MineralMan
(150,889 posts)I don't plan to start up again. No, I'm staying right here, thanks.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)MineralMan
(150,889 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Hope you are having a great day. I fully understand why you said what you did. Much easier than finding the minute mark. The replies tell a story. I've enjoyed learning about you.
marble falls
(71,403 posts)how a Federal agency like the ABF functions when you elect the local nut bag sheriff?
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)It's Friday! Family fun time!
marble falls
(71,403 posts)Response to marble falls (Reply #59)
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Ahhhh, the wonders of country life. Those birds don't shut up when you want them to.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)About minorities distrust of law enforcement.
I did hear the birds, if that’s what you are referencing. They really didn’t get in the way of the audio.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)He takes a bit of the problem and boils it down. He is also talking to the right people.
TeamPooka
(25,577 posts)be helpful here.
Otherwise this should have been posted in Video and multi media where it has no contextual expectations.
I'm done watching things without some sort of editorial intro.
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)i'm new here, so i'll ignore the hostility and do as you asked
this is a gentleman from the south who is talking about rural whites who do not understand why minorities fear police and blame them for this, and he frames it in a discussion about the ATF and BLM (bureau of land management), as a way to try to bridge the gap between rural whites and urban minorities.
Iggo
(49,765 posts)You know, ignore it. (He said, all hostile-like.)
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)I must now bite my thumb at you
Totally Tunsie
(11,680 posts)which confirms the importance TeamPooka places upon such an intro.
For us "city dwellers" and non-country folk, acronyms often have more than one meaning, i.e.
BLM = Black Lives Matter, which totally changes the meaning of this video.
Have a nice day, and welcome to DU.
TeamPooka
(25,577 posts)Just posting videos and links without explanation is what a lot of spammers do at this site so to avoid being seen as one of them try to include more in a post than just a link.
Some opinion, history or context about the issue in the post are all welcome and won't waste anyone's time.
Also, lose the attitude.
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)As you said, it’s food for thought. He made a lot of good points. Some I didn’t agree with.
Johnny2X2X
(23,838 posts)In his fantasy world he thinks law enforcement leaves them alone because of their guns. Law enforcement leaves you alone because you live in the middle of nowhere and law enforcement has little reason to go there. Law enforcement leaves you alone because of your remoteness.
And what corruption in the ATF is he talking about?
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)ATF and BLM are big brother outsiders who have no business in their communities while the communities have strong control over their police force. Thoughts like this are especially true in places like Montana. It’s been a small town conservative mantra for some time.
Johnny2X2X
(23,838 posts)I guarantee this clown hasn't dealt with the ATF or the BLM himself, and likely he doesn't know anyone who has. But he's heard stories I am sure... Minorities in the inner city almost without exception, have had their rights trampled on by the police.
This guy is honestly comparing his paranoid anti government stance with the plight of blacks who are being harassed, beaten, jailed, and killed every day.
His only dealings with the ATF would be if he not only possessed illegal automatic weapons (They could care less if he owns them really), but if he chose to shoot off those illegal weapons close enough to people that they'd complain about it. Or if he illegally grazed his livestock on land that wasn't his the BLM might write him ten letters, visit him a couple times, and spend several years trying to get him to stop breaking the law before finally taking any action. This is not comparable to someone in the city wanting to be able to walk to the store for some candy without fear of arrest and harassment from the police. Not comparable to a family wanting to be able to hold a back yard BBQ without the police showing up and beating people.
It's insulting, this guy has no idea what it's like to live in fear of law enforcement. He thinks his guns matter, they don't. He's walking around by himself thinking an imaginary boogie man is right around the corner and then equating it to the mass harassment and violation minorities face every single day/
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Seems to me that he knows he is comparing apples and oranges. He is simply trying to show them one aspect of the problem. Considering his audience, I think he did well. Minorities are not his audience for this video. I can find no insult.
"He's walking around by himself thinking an imaginary boogie man is right around the corner and then equating it to the mass harassment and violation minorities face every single day/"
I didn't see any point in the video that rose to that level of hysteria. If this is unacceptable discourse then we are in deep shit.
MineralMan
(150,889 posts)Are those the regions you're talking about? Because if they are, then Beau's little videos are not going to convince them that minorities in the city are like them at all. They aren't going to get it. In fact, they don't much like city folk anyhow, nor minority folk, either.
And for anyone who is concerned about the post removed thing up higher in this thread, it wasn't me who alerted on it. I don't alert on replies to me. Ever.
Kali
(56,701 posts)One thing those of us in red areas can do is get along with our neighbors and try to show that we aren't what they fantasize we are. what they "learn" from fux news or their own "leaders." Relating things to their experience sometimes changes perspectives. I think the video missed a lot of points but I get what he was trying to do and say and I know where his audience is coming from. No none of them are at the same risk of injustice as urban minorities, but a lot of them THINK they are and the guy in the video is just using their paranoia to get them to see a different viewpoint. Getting people to feel a little empathy is a good start to changing the way they relate to other situations. Talking to them in their language has a better chance than just calling them ignorant trump voters. (as satisfying as that can feel most of the time! 
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Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)starts shooting unarmed white folks for being white and getting acquitted as half of America racially stereotypes and slanders the dead unarmed white dude who was minding his own business AND his surviving family...
I'll give the good ol' boy a couple of points for effort, but he is WAY off the mark.
ThirdEye
(204 posts)In the video he says, basically, they remember awful encounters with government like Ruby Ridge but minorities have those same awful encounters every single day. So not only does he provide an example, his point is to say: imagine if that were your everyday!
He's doing his best to try to help rural America related to minority experience in urban environments. "couple points for effort" geez.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)And yes, do tell me the last time rural conservative white folks had an awful encounter with government? They got Ruby Ridge, that's it end of story. Ruby Ridge has Jack Fucking Shit in common with Ferguson... Hell, compared to the M.O.V.E. bombing, Ruby Ridge might as well be a church softball game... For fuck's sake, Black America has *multiple* "Ruby Ridges" a year!
Look, I get that he has to dumb it down and over-simplify things to make his point to his intended audience. There's still a right way to do this with proper intentions and a half-assed way to do this that borders on patronizing. By shoehorning Ferguson (or any of the recent BLM cases) into the same "heavy-handed big gummitt run amok" -narrative as Ruby Ridge while neglecting to mention the racist motivations behind the deaths of black folks (and the acquittal of the officers involved) not only cheapens the struggle, it is intellectually bankrupt (and that is the most charitable thing I can call it).
Maybe it's just me because I don't know the guy. But I'd be more inclined to believe his sincerity if he was out there marching with black folks (and don't tell me he doesn't know where in Texas to go). I'd be more inclined to believe his sincerity if he was denouncing the Alex Jones, the NRA and millions other far right asshole gunners who do nothing but taunt and antagonize Black Lives Matter on social media (there's a special place in hell reserved for Dana Loesch, who literally masturbates when a mass shooting is breaking news and can't even bring herself to defend even lawful black gun owners who end up dead). I'd be more inclined to believe his sincerity if he spoke about eliminating racism and ignorance in his rural community with the same casual bravado that he speaks about liquidating hypothetical sheriffs who overstep their legal limits...
ThirdEye
(204 posts)Is there a manual people can read that defines what someone has to do in order to be taken as sincere?
Also, again "Black America has *multiple* Ruby ridges a year" - he specifically made the point that "and they have it happen every day!!"
I say we take all the help we can get. Clearly this guy and his videos aren't going to change the world, but perhaps this is the best he can do personally. Shit, we have people who agree with us that won't even vote because they think it doesn't make a difference, yet so many here on DU are inclined to attack this guy. Just seems counter productive.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 18, 2018, 08:56 AM - Edit history (1)
so you and your 189 posts here would be well advised to slow your roll...
Okay fine, I give up... You want to keep convincing yourself that Mr. Rural Texan Who Nobody Ever Heard Of is going to magically make Texas go blue and the Rebel Flag crowd will all of a sudden join in solidarity with the Plight of the Black Man, go right ahead... If you can find the *first* Good Ol' Boy whose mind (and vote) he changes, I'll celebrate alongside with you...
But for now, as for me personally, I'll remain skeptical. I've been around the block and have been conned by Fool's Gold enough times to wait before officially declaring someone an ally/savior/genius/friend...
ThirdEye
(204 posts)Not that your 2003 is much different. 
No need to react with hyperbole... "ok fine I give up."
It's like you're not reading my post. I specifically said, yeah, this guy isn't going to change much. So I don't think I need to keep convincing myself of anything. My actual personal position, and has been before the 2016 election, that there's a whole 30% of the country that's lost to irrational tribalism and we should focus on motivating the people who already generally agree with liberalism to get to the poles. Also, addressing voter suppression.
Skepticism is totally justifiable. Just weird people are going out of there way here to attack the guy.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)are going out of their way to defend the guy without even knowing him.
And just because you registered back in '01 doesn't mean that you actually know me, FWIW... I'd never even met you before this thread.
fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)When you've spent your life writing 50,000 posts.
This guy, while he isn't perfect in delivering his message, is clearly trying to emphasize and get others to understand the problems in minority communities. Heck he's actually on our side.
But he doesn't have 50,000 posts on an irrelevant internet chat board, so he's evil.
Come back to us when you posted another 49,000 times
/sarc
LuvLoogie
(8,650 posts)and registering your firearms is just like being a twelve-year-old boy getting shot dead while playing in the park by a racist cop.
Johnny2X2X
(23,838 posts)Fuck this asshole. It's the equivalent of someone walking into the cancer ward at a children's hospital and saying, "I know what you're going through, 1 time in the 3rd grade I thought I got poison ivy, but then it went away in a few minutes, so it must not have been poison ivy."
fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)We don't need his vote, or his efforts to try and understand what's happening to black folks.
He's just an asshole who isn't trying hard enough.
Cattledog
(6,646 posts)That's like patting yourself on the back.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Is it a bit taboo or something?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211285643
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211268655
Kingofalldems
(40,094 posts)Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)MineralMan
(150,889 posts)That's what the person you're replying to did. It's not an admin issue.
jeffreyi
(2,540 posts)Yeah, out rural west here. Blm and forest service folks are my neighbors and co workers. They (we) work hard and do good work, and get crapped on for our efforts. In the meantime, the yokels are out looting artefacts, vandelizing petroglyphs, tearing up roads, mountains, hillsides with all terrain vehicles, shooting at everything, wrecking unique geology and vegetation on OUR public lands. The agencies are helpless to do anything because there is no funding with the resource grabbers in charge, important jobs are going unfilled. It's really disgraceful. I have no use for the asshole bundys and their ilk, or their sympathizers. Our only hope is the ballot box right now. Otherwise we are headlong galloping toward Mad Max dystopia.
ThirdEye
(204 posts)but nothing in this video sounded like justifying the opinions of conservative rural Americans. He's trying to provide some small way for them to perhaps understand what it's like for minorities in urban environments, and he emphasizes quite clearly that the minorities are the ones with the real problem.
Kali
(56,701 posts)but they cycle through faster than weeds around here. sometimes people on the ground are OK but my experience with BLM management has been 30 years of bullshit, at least 4 district managers in that time and area managers seem to rotate out every 4 or 5. the can't find records, don't know what other offices are doing, what the last management team did, what their own plans say...hell, one process I dealt with for two years and they never could even produce an accurate god damned MAP.
llmart
(17,467 posts)Still beating that dead horse of Ruby Ridge.
Fla_Democrat
(2,622 posts)Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Who knew.... 
john657
(1,058 posts)Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
I just call it BatFee.