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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 12:54 PM Oct 2018

Paul Krugman predicted how Trump will react if the GOP loses big in the midterms



https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/god-help-us-paul-krugman-warns-trump-just-tipped-off-hell-dems-take-house-infuriating/

In the first tweet, Krugman wrote, “If Democrats don’t at least take the House, God help us. But even if they do, we’ll be facing a nightmarish political scene. Republicans will claim that the election was stolen, and deny the majority’s legitimacy.”

He then noted that Trump appointee, VA Secretary Robert Wilkie, is refusing to turn over documents to Congress with Trump’s blessing, adding Wilkie’s defiance is a preview of what is to come.

“Democrats will gain subpoena power — but expect the Trump administration to simply defy requests for information, the way they already are on issues like the Mar a Lago crowd’s influence on the Veterans Administration,” he tweeted, “They’ll also probably abuse executive power in many other ways. And they’ll use claims of voter fraud to justify their disregard of the law and Constitution. If you don’t think this is going to happen, you haven’t been paying attention.”

He then warned, “In the very near future, many government officials will probably face hard decisions about whether to defy illegal orders from their political superiors. And remember, this is the good scenario.”
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Paul Krugman predicted how Trump will react if the GOP loses big in the midterms (Original Post) Miles Archer Oct 2018 OP
Trump invokes executive privilege; Supreme Court confirms dalton99a Oct 2018 #1
Kavanaugh supports the concept of "unitary executive." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2018 #19
Pardon my Latin, but: "GOPus Delendus Est" DinahMoeHum Oct 2018 #2
+1 dalton99a Oct 2018 #4
"Delenda" klook Oct 2018 #30
Then start locking them up C_U_L8R Oct 2018 #3
Another prediction ThoughtCriminal Oct 2018 #5
No more rightward to move? BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #6
Mistype ThoughtCriminal Oct 2018 #7
Oh gee, I wasn't even thinking of grammar nazi-ing you! lol! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #11
I had to look up "Kristallnacht" ThoughtCriminal Oct 2018 #14
... BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #15
That happened last year in Charlottesville jmowreader Oct 2018 #18
Yes, you're right! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #20
And when they refuse to comply, Democrats will make nice. Slam me, but I GUARANTEE it... BamaRefugee Oct 2018 #8
Uh.... yeah...... alittlelark Oct 2018 #9
We'll see. I'm 67 years old, voted in every election since I was 21, basing this on my experience. BamaRefugee Oct 2018 #10
once we get the gavel back? MFM008 Oct 2018 #13
Ungovernable Nasruddin Oct 2018 #12
That's a better scenario than I'd been imagining BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #16
With respect, total nonsense. Haven't you been observing Hortensis Oct 2018 #17
I needed that!! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #21
Me too, Blanche. But this new, sky-falls-if-we-WIN Hortensis Oct 2018 #22
my thanks to you, too Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #24
Love your post. I imagine management is combing for trolls Hortensis Oct 2018 #26
I know there will be backlash when we win; we should be aware. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #25
Blanche, by far most trumpsters are older people Hortensis Oct 2018 #28
So what is your post election scenario? Nasruddin Oct 2018 #23
I don't think it will get much traction. His support is softer than he thinks Quixote1818 Oct 2018 #27
Good lord underpants Oct 2018 #29

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
1. Trump invokes executive privilege; Supreme Court confirms
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 01:00 PM
Oct 2018

We can expect that

But fuck them. Surrender is not an option. GOTV!

19. Kavanaugh supports the concept of "unitary executive."
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:34 PM
Oct 2018

Bush and Cheney really pushed the idea, which basically said the president could ignore any laws he chose to.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,048 posts)
5. Another prediction
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 01:29 PM
Oct 2018

The Republicans will react the same way that they have for EVERYTHING else:

They will move farther to the right.

Win an election? Move right. Lose an election? Move right. Stock market down? Move right. Stock market up? Move right. Start a war? Move right. End a war? Move right. Scandal? Move right. Indictments? Move right. Natural disaster? Move right...

Think there's no more no more rightward to move? They will astonish you.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
11. Oh gee, I wasn't even thinking of grammar nazi-ing you! lol!
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 02:39 PM
Oct 2018

I just meant the next move once they can’t move anymore rightward will be a Kristallnacht. (Which I don’t really know how to spell).

I thought you made a good point about them moving more rightward every time there’s a reaction against them.

BamaRefugee

(3,487 posts)
8. And when they refuse to comply, Democrats will make nice. Slam me, but I GUARANTEE it...
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 02:07 PM
Oct 2018

...although I definitely don't get it and don't want it to happen.

BamaRefugee

(3,487 posts)
10. We'll see. I'm 67 years old, voted in every election since I was 21, basing this on my experience.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 02:21 PM
Oct 2018

And never voted for a Republican in my life.

Nasruddin

(754 posts)
12. Ungovernable
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 02:41 PM
Oct 2018

If there is a strong Democratic win, I expect the US to be ungovernable for the rest of Mr Trump's term.
I think there is a good possibility that the federal government will literally disintegrate, and what/whoever
is behind Mr Trump will move forward to a complete dictatorship. (Of course, a Republican win or near
tie in both houses will have pretty much the same result.)

I hope that the disintegration turns out better than the see-no-evil drift, and the successor countries
that emerge out of the US will have better constitutions.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
16. That's a better scenario than I'd been imagining
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:23 PM
Oct 2018

But my imaginings have been pretty upsetting, so I keep trying to block them out...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. With respect, total nonsense. Haven't you been observing
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:29 PM
Oct 2018

these past almost 2 years how strong our institutions have proven to be, how well they've stood up? My big fear is that a majority formed of feckless nonvoters and right-wing rabble would NOT vote to stop them.

IF we win strong, though, that will mean the American people are saying NO to what Trump is trying to do and turning the house at least over to the Democrats to acts as a check on him. And there's all the difference in the world in that.

Btw, there's been an unusual surge in hysterical posts on DU. You may not have been here long enough to realize that. Please think about whether contributing to irrational fear and silliness is something responsible people on the right or left should be doing.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
21. I needed that!!
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:45 PM
Oct 2018

Thanks!

Sometimes the doom and gloom gets to me. Often, it’s in my own head!! :rolling my eyes at myself:

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Me too, Blanche. But this new, sky-falls-if-we-WIN
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:50 PM
Oct 2018

propaganda really has me wondering who's behind it. Not Democrats, we can be sure.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,409 posts)
24. my thanks to you, too
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 04:17 PM
Oct 2018

Checked in this afternoon and it seemed like the majority of new threads are chicken little come to life. So, I just started looking for names that I associate with good sense and good reports. It helped.

Hysteria doesn't win elections. Motivated people do. It looks like there are more people motivated to do their part to end this madness than I've ever seen before. It makes me determined to do my part -- don't want to be the straw that didn't get on the monster's back.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Love your post. I imagine management is combing for trolls
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 04:59 PM
Oct 2018

big time. This phony hysterical wave is hardly coming from "just us chickens" and is obviously a social media attack.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
25. I know there will be backlash when we win; we should be aware.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 04:20 PM
Oct 2018

I hope trusted institutions (local as well as State and National) manage it well and be aware.... no complacency!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Blanche, by far most trumpsters are older people
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:11 PM
Oct 2018

(including especially malignant-level racists, the latter about 0.02% of the entire population).

Although I do worry about what people at the top levels are doing, I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep imagining Fox's audience doing anything that would risk their homes and comfort.

Those who attend his rallies are welcome as far as I'm concerned to try to riot in the arenas and parking lots while they're worked up and emboldened by being among a whole 4000 pulled from millions who live 120 miles around. Almost wish they would, but police are out in numbers for these things. In any case, for sure they won't be turning their fantasy riots into reality in their own neighborhoods.

Btw, these days the power and water would be turned off, according to civil emergency plans every municipality is required to have, and primary boulevards and highways closed. This for a population allergic to walking 3 blocks for groceries and who mostly have no idea where the nearest drinking water could be found.

Nasruddin

(754 posts)
23. So what is your post election scenario?
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 04:06 PM
Oct 2018

We've been saved so far by Mr Trump's unprecedented and near-complete incompetence so far, not our institutions.

> IF we win strong, though, that will mean the American people are saying NO ... acts as a check
Huh? Check what? Check how? Congress is not the executive branch. Mr Trump can do pretty much
whatever he wants, when he wants. Congress cant send in the marines and tell him no.

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