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LBM20

(1,580 posts)
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 02:21 PM Oct 2018

Bernie Sanders is working his ass off to get out the Dem vote, and his stump speech is SPOT ON.

Last edited Sun Oct 21, 2018, 11:21 PM - Edit history (1)

First, I VOTED FOR HILLARY IN THE PRIMARY!!

This is not about re-opening the 2016 primary issue at all. That's DONE.

Just that Bernie (and others too like Biden, Harris, etc.) is OUT THERE BIGTIME traveling all over the country doing GOTV rallies. Here is what he says about turning out reluctant voters:

"Tell them to stop the moaning and groaning and GO VOTE!"

Here is what he says about DONNY ROTTEN: "He is a pathological liar who has lied about what he said he was going to do for us." And then he lists some of the major lies.

He goes right after the RePUKES on their plan to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in a BIG way.

Bernie is out there GOTVing with a very strong attack on DONNY ROTTEN.

Bernie is STRONG, CLEAR, and SPOT ON! This is how you do it!

Just wonderful!

We need all our leaders out there with full throated speeches saying that the Radical Right Wingers are coming after our Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and that it is THE most important of your life because your life depends on it.

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Bernie Sanders is working his ass off to get out the Dem vote, and his stump speech is SPOT ON. (Original Post) LBM20 Oct 2018 OP
GOTV uppityperson Oct 2018 #1
Well he should katmondoo Oct 2018 #2
He also got a jab in at President Obama TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #4
And?....so what? mudstump Oct 2018 #20
I give a Shit.. it's Divisive! Cha Oct 2018 #24
So what? George II Oct 2018 #25
lol.. we both posted at the same Cha Oct 2018 #28
BS mudstump Oct 2018 #33
Is that all ya got? "BS"? You can't address his excellent Cha Oct 2018 #35
Excellent points? melman Oct 2018 #37
Of course you didn't. Cha Oct 2018 #39
It's called sowing the seeds of discord SCantiGOP Oct 2018 #38
Of course.. It's Divisive and Not "spot on". Cha Oct 2018 #40
are we really that fragile BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #192
LOL betsuni Oct 2018 #193
" How many other people do you see out there working as hard as Bernie?.." Bfd Oct 2018 #36
Very well said. Yes, there are thousands of DEMOCRATS all over the country out campaigning ... George II Oct 2018 #55
Not to mention the multi millions of dollars it takes to support those State & local candidates Bfd Oct 2018 #72
Last night our Congressman, John Larson, organized a fundraiser for another... George II Oct 2018 #80
"None of these powerhouse speakers are taking a cut for themselves either." lapucelle Oct 2018 #123
That's really good advice. If I donate to a candidate, it better be going to THAT candidate. Bfd Oct 2018 #137
I'm pretty sure I'm working way harder than Bernie is EffieBlack Oct 2018 #60
Same here. And its done with no personal cut from the funds raised Bfd Oct 2018 #84
I know over the years I certainly did.... George II Oct 2018 #108
Great post Gothmog Oct 2018 #92
seems like you expect recognition questionseverything Oct 2018 #113
If its ok for bernie, then it should be ok for anyone to be recognized Bfd Oct 2018 #138
So now donating money (50 grand) doesn't mean the candidate is hopelessly corrupted and has betsuni Oct 2018 #185
Well said and I thank you for that. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #170
Yes, and they do it without implying the ACA is "obscene." Hortensis Oct 2018 #173
I agree. betsuni Oct 2018 #176
It is more obscene to degrade the ACA just so one can put his own in place. Bfd Oct 2018 #206
Obama, Karmala Harris, Booker, Biden, Pelosi, Warren and more are all out there stumping. Fla Dem Oct 2018 #205
K n R Bfd Oct 2018 #213
Nobody puts in the time and travel to help others like Bernie Sanders. NOBODY! nt Snotcicles Oct 2018 #222
As long as he does not work to divide the party, I'm all for it. kstewart33 Oct 2018 #74
Yet, here you are criticizing me for having my own opinion. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #91
Perhaps he should help the people from the state that elected him as well. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #156
Wow! That is really sad! Why isn't he helping there, indeed. R B Garr Oct 2018 #157
Dunno, RB. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #159
Shocking and so very sad. Shocking that no one asks R B Garr Oct 2018 #167
Perhaps she would have more compassion for a transgender woman. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #169
Bernie's working for Bernie. kstewart33 Oct 2018 #218
Nah. Bernie is working for a better, more just world for all of us, whathehell Oct 2018 #228
How many other people do you see out there? You can start here: George II Oct 2018 #224
Who is out there day after day?... mudstump Oct 2018 #21
Hillary's not running for POTUS.. so quit trying to be Divisive. Cha Oct 2018 #30
Booker and Harris have done more candidate events. lapucelle Oct 2018 #42
That's right Hillary and Nancy P don't ask for a Vig! Cha Oct 2018 #48
Mahalo, Cha! lapucelle Oct 2018 #53
No BS just straight up CA$$$$$$H ALL for our Democratic Cha Oct 2018 #125
Hillary's a private citizen EffieBlack Oct 2018 #57
Whataboutism. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #161
Bernie has not lost a step... he's still a beast!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #95
Is Hillary running for something? sheshe2 Oct 2018 #171
WHATABOUTHILLARY!1111 betsuni Oct 2018 #188
Perhaps, Bernie might set an example for many "high profile" liberal/progressives who are Magoo48 Oct 2018 #195
I disagree that it was totally spot on. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #3
yup. JHan Oct 2018 #46
Overwhelmingly spot on. Let's not cherry pick. He is GETTING PEOPLE TO THE POLLS! LBM20 Oct 2018 #63
Why Bernie's a hero in many people's eyes. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #96
So are millions of others He is not "the only one". Bfd Oct 2018 #98
Actually Beto is who is getting me to the polls sometime this week since early voting TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #165
+1000 mountain grammy Oct 2018 #178
He was in South Carolina yesterday campaigning - anyone know who the candidate is.... George II Oct 2018 #5
No one Gothmog Oct 2018 #8
Perhaps for himself, then? NurseJackie Oct 2018 #9
He is doing GOTV rallies all over the place. That can be done without doing it for one candidate. LBM20 Oct 2018 #66
I hope that's the actual effect it has. From what I see... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #110
Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan on the 19th... mudstump Oct 2018 #22
Did you see the two emails he sent out with respect to Gretchen Whitmer? George II Oct 2018 #26
But himself. Cha Oct 2018 #31
Bernie.... mudstump Oct 2018 #32
Nothing in Vermont? George II Oct 2018 #49
Yes, huge THANK YOU to Bernie... he's never been afraid to do the heavy lifting!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #99
For Medicare for All. aikoaiko Oct 2018 #15
Medicare for All Rally . nt Autumn Oct 2018 #41
Is Medicare for All on the ballot in South Carolina? George II Oct 2018 #51
Now that's just funny. And rich.You know it doesn't work that way Autumn Oct 2018 #56
Comedy gold! Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #83
That's me! Just what I feel. Autumn Oct 2018 #88
Smdh, you're patience is admirable Arazi Oct 2018 #97
Just being nice. Sometimes people forget things Autumn Oct 2018 #105
Just being nice? sheshe2 Oct 2018 #162
You must have heard a different speech than I did, JHan Oct 2018 #6
He knows which side he's on and who the enemy is. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #11
Yes he does. George II Oct 2018 #27
He sure does... that's what distinguishes him and, thankfully, there's no quit in Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #106
Oh good heavens. ENOUGH! His message is overwhelmingly excellent. BTW, I VOTED FOR HILLARY. LBM20 Oct 2018 #65
Once, or twice? George II Oct 2018 #124
okay couple things: JHan Oct 2018 #132
With you on that. He's honing the message into one that is clear, compelling and easy to grasp. JudyM Oct 2018 #7
Bernie just gets better with age... as sharp as ever!! Go Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #102
He's also pissing off cry-baby conservatives. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #10
Not just the cry-baby cons, he has the Right Wing assholes pretty pissed too . Autumn Oct 2018 #16
Yes indeed. lapucelle Oct 2018 #47
Yeah. Like I said. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #64
Yes, indeedy! lapucelle Oct 2018 #116
This is perfect. betsuni Oct 2018 #183
lol.. "sanders not a fan of Dem Protestors Disrupting and Cha Oct 2018 #151
Yeah, and Bernie will keep on expressing himself the way HE wants. whathehell Oct 2018 #229
Yup, but they aren't "conservatives." They're RIGHT WING ASSHOLES. Gotta stop saying "conservative." LBM20 Oct 2018 #71
Bernie sure knows how to bring the heat & unlike others his age, he shows no signs of slowin down. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #103
Right you are! lapucelle Oct 2018 #118
YES, he is... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #219
All the way up to Canada! Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #221
There are a lot of DU members that blame Bernie for HRC losing elmac Oct 2018 #12
Weird, isn't it? zentrum Oct 2018 #14
The Convention ended the last week in July, Sanders didn't make a campaign appearance.... George II Oct 2018 #117
Facts. That's how you win an argument... SidDithers Oct 2018 #119
And HRC... zentrum Oct 2018 #139
All it took was 75,000 or so to be influenced by the lies R B Garr Oct 2018 #196
+1 betsuni Oct 2018 #197
Okay. So the Party zentrum Oct 2018 #223
"the crime bill that stripped funding for college from incarcerated people, and that changed betsuni Oct 2018 #225
Sure. I'm not loyal to zentrum Oct 2018 #240
No, the party shouldn't coddle false narratives as was R B Garr Oct 2018 #227
I watch BBC and didn't see this. Link? betsuni Oct 2018 #237
Did't watch it on TV. zentrum Oct 2018 #239
Right, and thanks for saying it. elleng Oct 2018 #18
".. negative coments about BS.."? We just tell the Facts.. Cha Oct 2018 #50
For all their talk about party this and party that what they really want is a pound of flesh. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #62
? Who says that? Bfd Oct 2018 #87
Nobody. he's projecting. Cha Oct 2018 #152
No shit. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #187
Yes, this is a right-wing thing. betsuni Oct 2018 #190
Yes, quite the performance in that one. All that projection R B Garr Oct 2018 #194
Sad but true. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #179
"Their"..... awesomerwb1 Oct 2018 #204
People need to get over it. I VOTED FOR HILLARY IN THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL. NOW is what matters! LBM20 Oct 2018 #67
YES NOW IT WHAT MATTERS! WE HAVE BRILLIANT Cha Oct 2018 #76
Just sad, isn't it? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #101
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #111
... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #115
"They" betsuni Oct 2018 #181
You know what was like giving the Russians a big fat sloppy kiss? MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #184
+1 betsuni Oct 2018 #186
oh, cry me a river elmac Oct 2018 #200
No time to cry. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #201
and they still don't get it elmac Oct 2018 #203
Thank you Bernie! zentrum Oct 2018 #13
BernieSanders marches with Scholten4Iowa and isudems in the Homecoming parade in Ames Iowa Donkees Oct 2018 #17
Love it! progressoid Oct 2018 #160
Busting his butt for candidates across this country.... mudstump Oct 2018 #19
Did you send it to his Senate re-election campaign? George II Oct 2018 #29
It was for Gretchen Wittner's campaign. mudstump Oct 2018 #43
Online? You probably contributed to his Senate re-election campaign, too, without realizing. George II Oct 2018 #44
You might be right. lapucelle Oct 2018 #129
I just care about how is so focused on 2018, smashing Donny Rotten, and GOTVing. Just great! LBM20 Oct 2018 #70
Bernie gives it everything he's got... will never be enough for some. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #104
Listing ALL of Trump's lies is like... lame54 Oct 2018 #23
I love his toughness. n/t mtnsnake Oct 2018 #34
Yup! TOUGH. CLEAR. STRONG. AUTHENTIC. Just Great! LBM20 Oct 2018 #73
Good! Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2018 #45
He's also scamming for money while he's doing it NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #52
Yeah, I've seen other candidates BS is "working" for and Cha Oct 2018 #54
What he is saying about voting, important issues, and BASHING Donny Rotten is what matters. LBM20 Oct 2018 #68
BS isn't the only one saying it.. That Matters, too! Cha Oct 2018 #75
Holy shit! I will definately contribute to Whitmer. Through ActBlue Bfd Oct 2018 #58
You're very welcome NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #59
There was also an email that went out earlier this week presumably in support... George II Oct 2018 #61
It's probably legal but I wish it weren't NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #69
Let's see that melman Oct 2018 #81
You're not on Sanders' email list? George II Oct 2018 #82
lol melman Oct 2018 #85
You're certainly not getting me to post an email to me from his campaign. George II Oct 2018 #86
I understand melman Oct 2018 #89
That's not the one that I'm referring to. George II Oct 2018 #90
Why does Bernie need for me to contribute TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #122
Sounds like more than a few people LOVE BERNIE!! Doitnow Oct 2018 #153
I never said otherwise. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #155
Here's a link to the Act Blue donation page for the three way split. lapucelle Oct 2018 #131
And once again melman Oct 2018 #158
Informed donors are more likely to click through the link on the "simple form" landing page lapucelle Oct 2018 #172
That's not from the link that's included in the email to me. Here is what is in the email: George II Oct 2018 #177
Bernie's the BEST!!... SidDithers Oct 2018 #120
I LOVE The Bern! whathehell Oct 2018 #232
Here's a screenshot of the donation link from a BS email that I received today. lapucelle Oct 2018 #230
I got this one on Saturday: George II Oct 2018 #231
If the donation isn't evenly divisible, gues who gets the extra $$$$ ? lapucelle Oct 2018 #233
How do we know that these candidates will get any of the money raised? Gothmog Oct 2018 #93
Good question NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #94
There's no mention of the actual committees to which the contributions are intended OR.... George II Oct 2018 #236
That does not inspire confidence Gothmog Oct 2018 #238
What's ironic is that Sanders and Our Revolution supported Whitmer's opponent in the MI primary. George II Oct 2018 #100
And? He didn't hold any grudges Pity Puddles Oct 2018 #143
50% goes to Bernie!? sheshe2 Oct 2018 #164
k&r for GOTV Kurt V. Oct 2018 #77
Thanks Bernie!!! jalan48 Oct 2018 #78
Great Job, Bernie RazBerryBeret Oct 2018 #79
It never ends Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #107
It's performance art at this point. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #127
How fatuous! And ironic. You literally have film gifs R B Garr Oct 2018 #149
You've posted this a lot in the last few months..... R B Garr Oct 2018 #148
Thanks so much Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #209
Yes, your pattern is ironic, lol. Welcome! R B Garr Oct 2018 #210
Anytime. Glad to contribute to the discussion. Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #212
How did you contribute to the discussion?? R B Garr Oct 2018 #214
I'm sorry RB but I can't indulge in negativity. Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #217
Then why would you post negative depictions of R B Garr Oct 2018 #226
Not nice to trash fellow DUers. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #166
Quite the contrary. Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #211
It never will... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #220
Bernie had to make a quick stop to get a bank shot in with @Scholten4Iowa Donkees Oct 2018 #109
I'm extremely grateful democrank Oct 2018 #112
+1,000,000!!! diva77 Oct 2018 #121
I expect nothing less from Bernie. VOX Oct 2018 #114
Neither do I George II Oct 2018 #133
Mucho Mahalos, Bernie! GOTV. SixString Oct 2018 #126
Mahalo, sixstring! Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #128
Mahalo, HBS. SixString Oct 2018 #130
People would have to live in a cave not to realize this! N/T lapucelle Oct 2018 #140
It's odd how some don't appreciate his massive GOTV effort. SixString Oct 2018 #141
He's really rocking the vote Pity Puddles Oct 2018 #144
Yes he is! Mahalo PP. SixString Oct 2018 #145
How is he helping the candidates in his state of Vermont? sheshe2 Oct 2018 #168
WOW...I didn't realize what was going on in VT. lapucelle Oct 2018 #234
Yes. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #235
Massive! lapucelle Oct 2018 #207
Reminds me of my favorite hobby, spelunking. George II Oct 2018 #135
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Oct 2018 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author SixString Oct 2018 #136
Bernie didn't have to do it. I did it. I voted the day my mail ballot came in. Pity Puddles Oct 2018 #142
I'm just glad that my Senator Feinstein didn't treat Bernie R B Garr Oct 2018 #146
Is there a video? Nt garybeck Oct 2018 #147
Sanders is coming to the 2 largest universities in AZ DesertRat Oct 2018 #150
maybe the others don't want his help JI7 Oct 2018 #163
Love you, Bernie! Doitnow Oct 2018 #154
Thanks, Bernie! chwaliszewski Oct 2018 #174
Thank you for stumping for Gretchen Whitmer, Senator Sanders! demmiblue Oct 2018 #175
Would be great if no one referred to Democrats as "elites" and "establishment" betsuni Oct 2018 #180
Thank you Bernie! mountain grammy Oct 2018 #182
I hope Bernie runs for president! Joe941 Oct 2018 #189
Not likely being as how he won't release his taxes. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #202
Wow, huge long thread. PatrickforO Oct 2018 #191
Good point hueymahl Oct 2018 #198
"Just a lot of butt-hurt people here that can't move on, I guess." betsuni Oct 2018 #199
It means what it says hueymahl Oct 2018 #215
Exactly what you said pdsimdars Oct 2018 #208
Bernie gave a great speech in Milwaukee at the rally today dragonlady Oct 2018 #216

mudstump

(342 posts)
20. And?....so what?
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 04:58 PM
Oct 2018

What if he did...so what?....who cares? Can't the man have his own opinion? His ass is covering state after state...often two events in one day....and, you want to criticize his for having his own opinion? How many other people do you see out there working as hard as Bernie?....name some. He's on our side. We need every hand on deck...everyone. Now is not the time to nit pick. We need more fighters like Bernie.

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. So what?
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:07 PM
Oct 2018

The subject line says he's "working his ass off to get out the Dem vote". Yet he's dissing the most popular Democratic President in recent times. How does that get out the Dem vote?

"How many other people do you see out there working as hard as Bernie?" Many, one only needs to look at "Latest Breaking News" and "General Discussion" over the last several days or weeks.

Yes, we need all hands on deck, it would be more helpful if we have those on our side supporting us, not criticizing us. "Now is not the time to nit pick."

SCantiGOP

(13,856 posts)
38. It's called sowing the seeds of discord
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:29 PM
Oct 2018

The person who posted this OP has been going at it hot and heavy for the last few days. Every post is intended to criticize the Democratic Party because they are not behaving like Trump with the overblown rhetoric and divisiveness. He/she (or it, may be a bot) also copies Trump on the capitalization and exclamation points.

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
192. are we really that fragile
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:22 AM
Oct 2018

that we can't accept criticism of our last president?

if so, then we will never hold power again.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
36. " How many other people do you see out there working as hard as Bernie?.."
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:26 PM
Oct 2018

Ok. STOP RIGHT THERE.

With that statement you have completely dismissed those who work behind the scenes with no TV camera to so much as say their names.

There are phone banks & door to door. There are thousands across this country in every State who register voters, put together fliers, online site monitors, speech writers, from campaign organizers to clean up crews and all those people you never see but whose work is every bit as credible & worthy of praise & recognition.

Because you don't see them on TV or making the headlines does NOT lower their value nor does it mean that No One Else Exists.

Who do you think Fundraises the millions of dollars it takes to run a Local & State Campaign?

If you honestly believe the only one deserving of such laudation because he's the one you see, then that is your problem.
Look a little deeper into the millions of citizens of all walks of life who contribute daily & without expecting public recognition.

Good for Sen Sanders.
But to laud his efforts alone, while dismissing the unsung heros of this massive National endeavor is really unfair to all who have never asked nor expected their name be headlined for a pat on the back.

Sorry but your statement really hits below the belt on this matter.
Sen Sanders is contributing like millions of others, but he certainly is not single handedly out there doing this all by himself.

Please don't ever hold his fine efforts above the many many others until you have done the homework necessaey to make such a claim.

I won't stand here & allow one to be lauded over all the others who have been working tirelessly for the same cause as Sen Sanders.

Thank you.







George II

(67,782 posts)
55. Very well said. Yes, there are thousands of DEMOCRATS all over the country out campaigning ...
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:23 PM
Oct 2018

...for themselves and for others, thousands of them.

Candidates from Governor to Senator to Representative, to State Legislatures, to local municipalities - knocking on doors, handing out flyers, making phone calls, organizing and attending rallies and any number of events. That's how it's done, and no one has a monopoly on campaign efforts.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
72. Not to mention the multi millions of dollars it takes to support those State & local candidates
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:40 PM
Oct 2018

Barack Obama, Speaker Pelosi & Sec Clinton are the biggest Democratic fundraisers in the country.

It takes a massive organizing effort to draw the funds it takes against the billions & foreign money given to the GOP candidates.

It takes a lot of people working endlessly, out of view of the TV Cameras & Headlines, to put it all together & make it all happen before & after the fundraising event.

It doesn't just happen when you turn on a mic and speak to a camera.

None of these powerhouse speakers are taking a cut for themselves either.
Man, it really sucks to find out this news.

Oh well.

#VOTE BLUE

George II

(67,782 posts)
80. Last night our Congressman, John Larson, organized a fundraiser for another...
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:53 PM
Oct 2018

....CT candidate for Congress, Jahana Hayes. She's hoping to replace Elizabeth Esty, who isn't running for re-election.

There were dozens of CT Democratic politicians and dignitaries at the event - State Senators, Representatives, Mayors, and other candidates for office in CT - all "busting their butts" to promote Hayes' campaign.

Do you know who got each and every penny raised last night? Jahana Hayes! She didn't have to split it with anyone else.

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
123. "None of these powerhouse speakers are taking a cut for themselves either."
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 08:46 PM
Oct 2018

That's why I always donate directly to the candidate. There's often fine print on an Act Blue direct donation page.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
137. That's really good advice. If I donate to a candidate, it better be going to THAT candidate.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 10:10 PM
Oct 2018

Thanks

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
84. Same here. And its done with no personal cut from the funds raised
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:59 PM
Oct 2018

No name recognition & cheering applause.

It is done from the heart, with like minded people, for a cause we dearly believe in.

I believe my endless efforts these past months are every bit as valuable as anyone elses.
On election day I will drive those from a mapped out area, who need a ride to the polls.

My day will begin early & end late.
I will also provide my own vehicle & buy the gas for the day out of my own pocket.

This I will do without a headline or a TV spot. I will have the support of grateful workers huddled in our campaign office.
We will sit and applaud each other when the day is over.

I am as valuable a part in this mission as Sen Sanders when the election is finally over.

It will always be worth it.
This is what defines Democrats. It is a big tent & the mission is now, & has always been a unified one.
We do it all as a group with each other in mind.

No one person owns the day.
That is the loyalty of the Democratic Party and I am damned proud to always stand on the side of what is right & fair.

Thanks

George II

(67,782 posts)
108. I know over the years I certainly did....
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 07:58 PM
Oct 2018

...I've called thousands of voters, walked miles and miles of streets campaigning for others (and myself), organized and attended and contributed to countless fundraisers, etc.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
113. seems like you expect recognition
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 08:20 PM
Oct 2018

<rolls eyes>

heck even when a rich guy on du brags about donating 50 grand that buys what? like 15 secs of commercial?

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
138. If its ok for bernie, then it should be ok for anyone to be recognized
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 10:27 PM
Oct 2018

Point made, that millions work very hard for campaigns & GOTV. Sen Sanders is certainly not "the only one".as stated above.

Enjoy your night

betsuni

(25,128 posts)
185. So now donating money (50 grand) doesn't mean the candidate is hopelessly corrupted and has
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:44 AM
Oct 2018

to do everything the donator wants them to? Wait, I thought that's how it works. Aren't rich guys and corporations totally in control of everything? That's what I heard.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
173. Yes, and they do it without implying the ACA is "obscene."
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 06:05 AM
Oct 2018

I'm all for Sanders trying to get out the vote, if that's what he's really doing.

But imo saying that the ACA -- which still functions and provides healthcare coverage to many millions in spite of everything the Republicans have done to make it collapse -- is part of an "obscene" lack of healthcare is itself obscene.

betsuni

(25,128 posts)
176. I agree.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:02 AM
Oct 2018

Without a Democratic majority able to pass legislation requiring health care for all citizens, providing more people with health care until this is possible (ACA) is not obscene. Health care as a right and not a privilege is not a new radical idea that was so outrageous that "Nobody in America supports these wild ideas" until now -- ridiculous.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
206. It is more obscene to degrade the ACA just so one can put his own in place.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 11:36 AM
Oct 2018

Problem is, millions would be without any coverage if the current program were repealed for "a better idea".

How many years will that "better idea" become reality?
As of right now that "better idea" is nothing more than another campaign speech, with not enough on actual paper to prove it's value nor implement it.
And THAT is not enough of a reason to end the current coverage of millions in favor of another "big idea".

He's promoted this idea for a few years now but has yet to present enough data & policy paperwork to answer basic questions as to how & when & how much.
Until that point, with solid data to transition a population the size of the US to the Big Idea, it is only words.

We hear of nothing to back up a project of that size & scope.
He doesn't seem interested in telling us the progress he's made in making it a viable & successful project.

I haven't seen it anywhere
Just popular words on a campaign tour.

Show us more before continually degrading & bemoaning the best we have now because Selling an Idea is the easy part.






Fla Dem

(23,351 posts)
205. Obama, Karmala Harris, Booker, Biden, Pelosi, Warren and more are all out there stumping.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 11:19 AM
Oct 2018

Last edited Mon Oct 22, 2018, 12:17 PM - Edit history (1)

But they aren't divisive so they don't get the media attention that BS gets. They aren't out there stirring the pot and sowing the seeds of anarchy so when the next presidential election comes around there is divisions in the Democratic Party.

Yes, other than Obama and Pelosi they all have Presidential aspirations just like BS, but they're out there working for Democrats and to unite the Democratic Party not divide it.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
213. K n R
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:35 PM
Oct 2018

This:

"But they aren't divisive so they don't get the media attention that BS gets. They aren't out there stirring the pot and sowing the seeds of anarchy so when the next presidential election comes around there is divisions in the Democratic Party. "

They are committed to a loyalty to each other & a united goal to bring the best of equality, security & future, for the benefit of the population of this country.
This is The Democratic Party.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
157. Wow! That is really sad! Why isn't he helping there, indeed.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 12:36 AM
Oct 2018

Someone should be asking about this. Great find, she, and great question about a candidate in his own state.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
159. Dunno, RB.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 12:51 AM
Oct 2018

Also the candidate for Governor is transgender and receiving death threats as well. He is the state Senator. Where is he? Everywhere but his state.

Vermont candidate for governor Christine Hallquist receiving death threats

https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/crime/2018/08/21/vermont-transgender-candidate-christine-hallquist-gets-death-threats/1054723002/

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
167. Shocking and so very sad. Shocking that no one asks
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:01 AM
Oct 2018

him about his involvement and accomplishment in his own state. Shocking that he would think liberal California gets his attention before Vermont candidates. Maybe Feinstein should go to Vermont to help out with those neglected candidates.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
169. Perhaps she would have more compassion for a transgender woman.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:17 AM
Oct 2018

And perhaps for a black woman as well.

I do not understand, or maybe I do. I just don't know.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
218. Bernie's working for Bernie.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:14 PM
Oct 2018

He's on our side as long as he doesn't split the Democratic party in 2020.

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
228. Nah. Bernie is working for a better, more just world for all of us,
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 06:15 PM
Oct 2018

even those who continue to misjudge him.

mudstump

(342 posts)
21. Who is out there day after day?...
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:00 PM
Oct 2018

going from one campaign stop to the next? Hillary? (before you jump down my throat...I voted for Hillary)

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
42. Booker and Harris have done more candidate events.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:41 PM
Oct 2018

Nancy P. and HRC have raised more money...and they don't ask for a vig.

Cha

(295,916 posts)
48. That's right Hillary and Nancy P don't ask for a Vig!
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:50 PM
Oct 2018

I just looked that up.. Thank You, lapucelle

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
57. Hillary's a private citizen
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:26 PM
Oct 2018

She doesn't hold elective office, she's not a sitting Senator, she's not a potential presidential candidate, and she's not "Outreach Chair,"

so what does she have to do with this conversation?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
95. Bernie has not lost a step... he's still a beast!!
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 07:36 PM
Oct 2018

Go easy on Hillary though... she's retired from politics, so one should not expect her to be out on the campaign trail.

Magoo48

(4,659 posts)
195. Perhaps, Bernie might set an example for many "high profile" liberal/progressives who are
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:52 AM
Oct 2018

doing and saying much less than they could be. Btw, letting go of the last election is quite therapeutic...

TexasTowelie

(111,304 posts)
3. I disagree that it was totally spot on.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:04 PM
Oct 2018

I listened to most of one of his speeches from yesterday. I thought his references to the "establishment" and how Trump used it to scare voters was also a subtle dig at President Obama's administration and Hillary Clinton as a candidate. That portion of his narrative will need to improve before I will say that Bernie is spot on.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
98. So are millions of others He is not "the only one".
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 07:38 PM
Oct 2018

And that statement alone is where the problem in this thread lies.

He is one of millions across this country.

TexasTowelie

(111,304 posts)
165. Actually Beto is who is getting me to the polls sometime this week since early voting
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:43 AM
Oct 2018

is beginning in Texas. Bernie isn't on my ballot.

I'll also be the one riding my bike to get to the courthouse annex to cast my vote. There isn't any room for Bernie or anyone else on the bike.

Personally, I think that disgust with Republicans in general and Trump in particular are going to be bigger incentives to get people to vote than Bernie. Whatever the outcome is in a couple of weeks, Bernie will have an advantage because he can share in the credit if there are Democratic victories or as an independent he can criticize Democratic messaging, policies, and even candidate selections if Democrats fail to take control of at least one house of Congress.

Stated simply, Bernie does not face any risk being associated with any of the Democratic candidates and he positions himself for a rosy outcome regardless of the results from the mid-terms. The astute realize the political calculus.

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. He was in South Carolina yesterday campaigning - anyone know who the candidate is....
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:12 PM
Oct 2018

...for whom he's campaigning?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
9. Perhaps for himself, then?
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:41 PM
Oct 2018

All I'm saying is that if he's not appearing somewhere to specifically and explicitly benefit an actual candidate who's running in South Carolina, then the only other explanation seems perfectly clear to me.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
66. He is doing GOTV rallies all over the place. That can be done without doing it for one candidate.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:36 PM
Oct 2018

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
110. I hope that's the actual effect it has. From what I see...
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 08:03 PM
Oct 2018

I hope that's the actual effect it has. All I'm trying to say is from what I see, the Democratic party officials (and candidates?) in SC have concerns that such efforts would have an opposite effect. Or maybe their concern is that his presence would fire up the GOP voters to come out in opposition. When it comes to things like this, I think the local party officials are the ones that I'd trust more than a senator from Vermont, that's all.

mudstump

(342 posts)
32. Bernie....
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:15 PM
Oct 2018

October 21 - Fort Dodge, IA and Way Ames, IA
October 22 - Milwaukee, WI and Kenosha, WI
October 23 - Tucson (University of Arizona) and Tempe, AR
October 24 - Boulder, CO and Ft. Collins, CO
October 25 - Las Vegas, NV and Reno, NV
October 26 - San Diego, CA
October 27 - San Francisco, CA

This is just a partial list of his stops for candidates....most two stops a day. He's busting his butt and begging us to get out to vote and get other people to vote.

Thank you, Bernie

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
56. Now that's just funny. And rich.You know it doesn't work that way
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:24 PM
Oct 2018


Candidates from Governor to Senator to Representative, to State Legislatures, to local municipalities - knocking on doors, handing out flyers, making phone calls, organizing and attending rallies and any number of events. That's how it's done, and no one has a monopoly on campaign efforts.


JHan

(10,173 posts)
6. You must have heard a different speech than I did,
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:19 PM
Oct 2018

but you can selectively focus on the parts you like I guess.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
65. Oh good heavens. ENOUGH! His message is overwhelmingly excellent. BTW, I VOTED FOR HILLARY.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:34 PM
Oct 2018

JHan

(10,173 posts)
132. okay couple things:
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 09:48 PM
Oct 2018

You wrote an OP, if you couldn't handle people disagreeing with you why post it?

In any case, if he persists in using establishment arguments against those he dislikes or disapprove of when they're Democratic and have progressive records, you bet I will continue to *NOT* like it. He's not the only person out there fighting for a better America.

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
7. With you on that. He's honing the message into one that is clear, compelling and easy to grasp.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:26 PM
Oct 2018

And he certainly is working his ass off. Looking at the list of scores and scores of stops he’s making around the country I’m impressed with his fortitude. His seat is pretty safe because the vast majority of his constituents are on board with him, so he’s throwing a ton of energy to helping Dems around the country. Focusing on GOTV, impressing upon folks what’s at stake.

Cha

(295,916 posts)
151. lol.. "sanders not a fan of Dem Protestors Disrupting and
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 11:51 PM
Oct 2018

being rude.."

That's too bad, BS. We'll Protest the Way We Want.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
71. Yup, but they aren't "conservatives." They're RIGHT WING ASSHOLES. Gotta stop saying "conservative."
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:40 PM
Oct 2018
 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
12. There are a lot of DU members that blame Bernie for HRC losing
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 04:29 PM
Oct 2018

and it doesn't matter how much energy he puts behind the Democratic candidates they will still see him as a spoiler, a non Dem, a whatever. I hope these people know that their negative comments about Bernie is like giving tRump and putin a big, fat, sloppy kiss.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
14. Weird, isn't it?
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 04:36 PM
Oct 2018

Since she won the popular vote by 3M.

She lost because of the electoral college and Bernie had nothing to do with that. Not going to those key big swing states was the decision of the HRC campaign and the DNC, long after the primaries, when Bernie was working to turn out the vote for her.

George II

(67,782 posts)
117. The Convention ended the last week in July, Sanders didn't make a campaign appearance....
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 08:35 PM
Oct 2018

....for the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, until Labor Day weekend, five weeks later.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
139. And HRC...
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 10:30 PM
Oct 2018

...made big appearances in those three key states never. The ground troops there were begging her to come and for more money. Nada.

Campaigning for her from August forward is about right for a November election.

But okay---lack of strategy in these old pros at the DNC and in the campaign, and underfunding of workers in key states--is all Bernie's fault. What a powerful guy.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
196. All it took was 75,000 or so to be influenced by the lies
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:58 AM
Oct 2018

about her and you can look at the Mueller indictments to see who the Russian’s benefitted to harm Hillary:
Bernie, Trump, Stein

Tad Devine and Paul Manafort were both running the opposition campaigns against Hillary. You sure omit the inconvenient facts and news that the rest of us know about now — going on years now.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
223. Okay. So the Party
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 05:00 PM
Oct 2018

...clearly should do nothing but deflect blame to a host of other causes and thereby never have to look at or learn what they could have and should have done differently in the election, so we can get it right this time.

But for one thing, if Bernie had so much power to influence---doesn't it stand to reason she should have had a more progressive message? The message propounded by the Party this time around is already more progressive as are many of the new candidates. This change reflects a message about what happened in 2016.

Just today on the BBC which I trust more than any USA media outlet talked about how African American voters in Chicago, who voted for Obama in '08, stayed home for Hillary. This wasn't b/c of FB bots or Bernie Sanders or voter suppression.

It was because they suffered so much under Clinton policies from the 90's--welfare "reform" that caused an increase in poverty for minority communities, the crime bill that stripped funding for college from incarcerated people, and that changed sentencing laws thus targetting some much more than others, the "super predators" meme. Etc. Thus there were problems internal to the HRC campaign that were in play.Though saying that will probably get me alerted.

In any event---many see the Party as needing much re-assessment and others see the debacle of 2016 as all external to the party. Let's call it a draw. This is tedious. I'm off to my poll watching training. I'm glad many leaders in the Party have started to change. Have a good day.

betsuni

(25,128 posts)
225. "the crime bill that stripped funding for college from incarcerated people, and that changed
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 05:27 PM
Oct 2018

sentencing laws thus targeting some much more than others" -- so do you think this will be a problem for Bernie Sanders if he runs for president in 2020? Since he voted for the crime bill.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
227. No, the party shouldn't coddle false narratives as was
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 05:43 PM
Oct 2018

unchallenged before, like the intentional damage done to our candidate that was allowed to continue. Even your biased renditions about Clinton’s presidency echo the negative smears perpetuated by so-called progressives. African Americans didn’t vote in numbers as high as Obama, but Hillary had a great turnout. Clinton left a surplus for Gore, but he wasn’t good enough either.

In the meantime, no one askes about why “progressive” ideas from Bernie aren’t reality in Vermont: no single payer, no $15 minimum wage, no free education.

Clinton beat the GOP at their own game 25 years ago. You probably think it’s “tedious” not to have center stage with the so-called Clinton critiquing, but the false narratives aren’t going to be the pushovers they were allowed before. People are sick of Democrats being maligned.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
239. Did't watch it on TV.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 08:28 AM
Oct 2018

Was on BBC Radio at about 3AM EST, Tuesday, so about 8AM in London. They are doing a series of interviews of ordinary Americans "on the street" and then commenting after the segment on what it all means.

So I have no BBC link. But here's another one on the topic of African American turn out.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/

Cha

(295,916 posts)
50. ".. negative coments about BS.."? We just tell the Facts..
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:14 PM
Oct 2018

Too bad if some deem them "negative".

And, you can keep your "..giving tRump and putin a big, fat, sloppy kiss." to yourself. No one is rolling over because of your imagination.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,272 posts)
62. For all their talk about party this and party that what they really want is a pound of flesh.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:31 PM
Oct 2018

It’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
187. No shit.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:46 AM
Oct 2018

Not to mention, who the fuck uses a “triggered” meme in their sig line on a Democratic website?

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
194. Yes, quite the performance in that one. All that projection
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:49 AM
Oct 2018

complete with movie gifs in the others to reenact the very very personalized drama trauma. A star is born!

awesomerwb1

(4,256 posts)
204. "Their".....
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:45 AM
Oct 2018

Who's their? Sounds like something I would read over at a not so Dem friendly site.

"Their"......

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
67. People need to get over it. I VOTED FOR HILLARY IN THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL. NOW is what matters!
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:37 PM
Oct 2018

Cha

(295,916 posts)
76. YES NOW IT WHAT MATTERS! WE HAVE BRILLIANT
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:45 PM
Oct 2018

DEMS WORKING HARD AGAINST trump and his DOORMATS. BS is NOT the ONLY ONE.

Response to elmac (Reply #12)

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
184. You know what was like giving the Russians a big fat sloppy kiss?
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:39 AM
Oct 2018

Voting no on sanctions. Telling people that Russian interference in our elections was just a distraction. Hiring Tad Devine...

So much more, but so little time this morning.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
203. and they still don't get it
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:44 AM
Oct 2018

the Bernie haters keep bringing up republiCon talking points but its a good way to populate my ignore list.

mudstump

(342 posts)
19. Busting his butt for candidates across this country....
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 04:53 PM
Oct 2018

I sent him money to use to help get progressives elected. The man never stops and it's the least we can do to send money to support him and others. VOTE!

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
45. Good!
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:47 PM
Oct 2018

It's time we all put the 2016 primaries behind us. This is now, and he is working like Hell to get Dems elected now.

I'd invite/respectfully suggest/ask that he consider rejoining the party that also includes Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris, take a seat at the table, and work together to close the deal on 2018 and start making a plan for 2020.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
52. He's also scamming for money while he's doing it
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:16 PM
Oct 2018

Not sure if he's doing it to all candidates he's working his little fingers to the bone for, but here's what he's doing for Gretchen Whitmer, Dem candidate for MI Governor:




Click on the actblue link and 50% of your donation goes to Bernie.

Here's a better link if you want all of your donation to go to Gretchen Whitmer, the actual MI Gov candidate:


Cha

(295,916 posts)
54. Yeah, I've seen other candidates BS is "working" for and
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:23 PM
Oct 2018

he got his take then, too.. it's his MO. 1/2 for them 1/2 for him.

Thank You for this!

"political elite".. that's what he called the Democratic Party on Nov 16, 2016 when everyone was hurting so bad from trump taking over. Before anyone knew the election was stolen. BS was Dead Wrong.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
68. What he is saying about voting, important issues, and BASHING Donny Rotten is what matters.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:38 PM
Oct 2018

Cha

(295,916 posts)
75. BS isn't the only one saying it.. That Matters, too!
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:43 PM
Oct 2018

And, he damn well better be saying it about trump and the gop.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
58. Holy shit! I will definately contribute to Whitmer. Through ActBlue
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:27 PM
Oct 2018

No wonder its all friendly with the Dems lately.
I wouldn't have a problem with this except it leaves a really bad taste. Ya know. Like something's not right & fair & upfront about it.
Cripe sakes.


Thank you for this great big FYI

George II

(67,782 posts)
61. There was also an email that went out earlier this week presumably in support...
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:30 PM
Oct 2018

...of Liz Watson and Gretchen Whitmer. Actually when you go to the ActBlue link, it says:

"Your contribution will be divided evenly between Liz Watson, Gretchen Whitmer, and 1 other group"

Guess who that "1 other group" is? You have to go searching on the site to find out that without being specifically mentioned, Sanders is getting one-third of your contribution unless you say otherwise.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
89. I understand
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 07:06 PM
Oct 2018

It's difficult to post a link that does not exist.


Here's the one that actually does exist.


https://secure.actblue.com/donate/bernie-whitmer?refcode=fb181020-photos

and here is what it shows for those who don't want to click.




Clearly states where money goes (no 'searching around' required) and gives option to change amounts.

as seen here...







TexasTowelie

(111,304 posts)
122. Why does Bernie need for me to contribute
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 08:43 PM
Oct 2018

when he had almost $7 million in cash for his Senate campaign (May 2018 data)? I read that he was so popular that nobody stands a chance against him in the election.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/18/bernie-sanders-launches-9-state-tour-friday-bloomington/1684587002/

I honestly do not know why Bernie would need such a stockpile of money, unless he is planning to run for another office.

TexasTowelie

(111,304 posts)
155. I never said otherwise.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 12:27 AM
Oct 2018

From what I read online there are plenty of people that do not agree.

I will be interested to see how Bernie spends that Senate campaign money and form my opinion.

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
131. Here's a link to the Act Blue donation page for the three way split.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 09:30 PM
Oct 2018
If you can afford to, please split a donation between Gretchen Whitmer's campaign for governor, Liz Watson's campaign for Congress and Bernie's efforts to elect progressive candidates who will work with him to transform America.

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/bernie-whitmer-watson

Your contribution will be divided evenly between Liz Watson, Gretchen Whitmer, and 1 other group. Click here to allocate amounts differently or view all recipients

I think some people may have been confused because BS is not "a group". Act Blue should be consistently transparent.
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
158. And once again
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 12:42 AM
Oct 2018

All the information is spelled out quite clearly. Nothing is hidden.

As you can see..

here





and here.





lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
172. Informed donors are more likely to click through the link on the "simple form" landing page
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 05:44 AM
Oct 2018

to ensure that their money goes where they want it to go.

The recommendation is simply that donors read the whole page, focus on the fine print, click on the fine print if it contains a link, and understand that a "group" might be an individual, rather than an actual group.

Many people have limited money to contribute and want it to go where it is actually needed for the 2018 election. (Most of us are not millionaires and billionaires with deep pockets.) Potential donors should be aware that they can contribute directly to the candidate through links on the candidates' websites and that they should be sure to read the fine print if the mailing/communication soliciting donations comes from a individual or group other than the actual candidate.

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/whitmer-spash-page

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/lizwatson

The logo at the top of the Act Blue donation page is probably the simplest way to ensure that your money goes where you want it to go.

For Whitmer:



For Watson:



For the "simple form" two way split:




For Whitmer, Watson, and "one other group".





George II

(67,782 posts)
177. That's not from the link that's included in the email to me. Here is what is in the email:
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:09 AM
Oct 2018

Last edited Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:02 AM - Edit history (1)

(the underlined sentences are the links, the bold is mine) The first link is in the email, the second one is on the page you get to when clicking the first link.

Sisters and Brothers -

We started our eight-day, nine-state tour yesterday with stops in Bloomington, Indiana to campaign for Liz Watson, a strong progressive running for Congress there, and in Ann Arbor, Michigan to campaign for another progressive running for governor, Gretchen Whitmer. And in just a moment, I am going to ask you to make a $3 donation to both of their campaigns. This is important.


NOTE: Your contribution will be divided evenly between Liz Watson, Gretchen Whitmer, and 1 other group. Click here to allocate amounts differently or view all recipients

~~~~~~~~~~

No mention of that "other group" in the paragraph with the link to ActBlue, and then no mention of who that "1 other group" is until you go to the SECOND page, so "all the information is" not "spelled out quite clearly", as you can see above. Why not simply be up front and transparent about "ALL recipients" right away in the email?

I've been directly involved in politics for more than 20 years, have been a campaign treasurer for about 16 years. I've organized fundraisers and sent out communications asking for contributions, and have never seen anything like that.

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
230. Here's a screenshot of the donation link from a BS email that I received today.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 06:22 PM
Oct 2018

I filled in a $10 donation to see the split.

George II

(67,782 posts)
231. I got this one on Saturday:
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 06:29 PM
Oct 2018

"Gretchen Whitmer, Liz Watson, and 1 other group". Hmmmm.

No photograph of Whitmer. No photograph of Watson, and neither of their campaign logos?

By the way, nowhere at any of the links provided in the email or the website is the name of the actual committee(s) to which the contribution is supposed to be forwarded!

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
94. Good question
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 07:31 PM
Oct 2018

I'm not a lawyer, but I'd be interested in hearing how campaign finance laws affect something like this.

George II

(67,782 posts)
236. There's no mention of the actual committees to which the contributions are intended OR....
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:53 PM
Oct 2018

....to which they're going. Just names. I'm not even sure that's 100% legal, as least regarding contributions to political campaigns. But without the names of the committees, we don't even know if the money is going to political campaigns (or to those intended)

And not by coincidence, I'm sure, about an hour ago I received another one - that's three in the last six days, ten in the last month.

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
79. Great Job, Bernie
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 06:50 PM
Oct 2018

He's working really hard for an older dude, haha. Kudos to an active progressive leader!

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
149. How fatuous! And ironic. You literally have film gifs
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 11:19 PM
Oct 2018

of little girls being tossed in Frankenstein movies, so wouldn’t that make you the performer? How does this work?

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
148. You've posted this a lot in the last few months.....
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 11:12 PM
Oct 2018

The usual suspect about the Usual Suspects...? lol, it’s a real crackup.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
217. I'm sorry RB but I can't indulge in negativity.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:08 PM
Oct 2018

I am knocking on doors all day for my local Democratic Congressional candidate and phone banking tonight for my Democratic Gubernatorial candidate. I choose to spend my energy getting Democrats elected.

I am asking you respectfully,please don't contact me again.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
226. Then why would you post negative depictions of
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 05:30 PM
Oct 2018

posters/voters here over and over again with your usual cartoons. There’s a word for that, actually. I’ll certainly point out the false narratives and patterns of negativity such as nasty cartoons meant to diminish good Democrats.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
211. Quite the contrary.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:19 PM
Oct 2018

I just believe that Democrats and Independents who caucus with the Democrats should be respected.

democrank

(11,052 posts)
112. I'm extremely grateful
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 08:18 PM
Oct 2018

for everything Bernie has done to help the people of our state and this country. Bernie has my support today, just like he did two decades ago.

Some people resent the fact that Bernie doesn't fit well in the Status Quo category.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
168. How is he helping the candidates in his state of Vermont?
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:07 AM
Oct 2018

You know, the state that elected him?


One candidate is leaving after her term ends. She is receiving death threats. She is black. The transgender woman for Governor that won the Democratic primary is also receiving death threats. Where is BS for his state?

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
234. WOW...I didn't realize what was going on in VT.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:27 PM
Oct 2018
Black Vermont Representative Withdraws Candidacy After Reporting Racist Threats

https://www.newsweek.com/kiah-morris-racist-threats-vermont-representative-people-color-tj-donovan-1095416

In the VT governor's race, the Democratic challenger is running against an incumbent Republican governor who vetoed both an increase in the minimum wage and the creation of a paid family leave program. However,

The first public poll of Vermont's 2018 general election found that statewide incumbents have little to fear.

The poll, commissioned by Vermont Public Radio and Vermont PBS, showed Republican Gov. Phil Scott holding a 42 to 28 percent lead over Democratic nominee Christine Hallquist. Another 22 percent said they were not sure who they would support.

With 22% undecided, the race seems winnable. Hopefully BS's national tour will make a stop in Vermont for Hallquist.

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/election-2018/

After all, like workers at Disney and Amazon, the people of Vermont deserve a living wage and basic protections in times of family illness or crisis.



sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
235. Yes.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:42 PM
Oct 2018
With 22% undecided, the race seems winnable. Hopefully BS's national tour will make a stop in Vermont for Hallquist.

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/election-2018/


After all, like workers at Disney and Amazon, the people of Vermont deserve a living wage and basic protections in times of family illness or crisis.


One would think so, lapucelle.

Response to SixString (Reply #126)

Response to SixString (Reply #126)

 

Pity Puddles

(98 posts)
142. Bernie didn't have to do it. I did it. I voted the day my mail ballot came in.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 10:51 PM
Oct 2018

Sent it back the following day. Regardless, I get to meet the Big Guy himself (Bernie) on the 24th supporting our local Democratic candidate in the state House!

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
146. I'm just glad that my Senator Feinstein didn't treat Bernie
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 11:07 PM
Oct 2018

the way he treated her.

This doesn’t read like a thread about Bernie helping Democrats, but what’s new.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
150. Sanders is coming to the 2 largest universities in AZ
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 11:34 PM
Oct 2018

To campaign for Dem. Governor candidate, David Garcia. At this point our current Gov. Doug Ducey (aka Douchey) holds a wide lead over Garcia.

While I commend Sanders for coming to GOTV for Garcia, I wish he'd also show support for our other Democratic candidates, particularly Dem. candidate, Krysten Sinema. Sinema is neck and neck right now against Trump's favorite, Martha McSally, for Jeff Flake's Senate seat. If Sinema wins, it will be the first time we've had a Democratic Senator from AZ since 1976. We have several other awesome Dem. candidates for Congress who could use the boost as well.

The OP says that Sanders is working to get out the "Dem vote", but at least in AZ, it's only for one specific candidate.

betsuni

(25,128 posts)
180. Would be great if no one referred to Democrats as "elites" and "establishment"
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:19 AM
Oct 2018

as an insult and concentrated on supporting Democrats! This is how you do it!

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
182. Thank you Bernie!
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:24 AM
Oct 2018

Getting out the vote. Creating enthusiasm. Nothing but love ❤️ for Senator Bernie Sanders.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
202. Not likely being as how he won't release his taxes.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:44 AM
Oct 2018

Republicans may put up with that shit, but Democrats do not.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
191. Wow, huge long thread.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:09 AM
Oct 2018

Why is it that when Bernie is praised, we have a big long huge thread where we all argue, and

Why is it that when Bernie is trashed, we have a big long huge thread where we all argue?

Statement: Bernie is working hard to get out the Democratic vote.

My reaction? Yay! Good! Yes, all of us need to GOTV.

Isn't that all that is needed? We're wasting life force here...

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
208. Exactly what you said
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 12:37 PM
Oct 2018

"We need all our leaders out there with full throated speeches saying that the Radical Right Wingers are coming after our Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and that it is THE most important of your life because your life depends on it. "

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
216. Bernie gave a great speech in Milwaukee at the rally today
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:55 PM
Oct 2018

He was there to get out the vote for Tony Evers and Mandela Barnes (for governor/lt. governor), Sen. Tammy Baldwin, and Randy Bryce (for Congress). They all spoke, as well as Rep. Gwen Moore and a few others. This afternoon Bernie will also be at a rally for Randy Bryce in his district. (Bernie also did a rally for Randy way back when Paul Ryan was still the opponent.)

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