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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders is working his ass off to get out the Dem vote, and his stump speech is SPOT ON.
Last edited Sun Oct 21, 2018, 11:21 PM - Edit history (1)
First, I VOTED FOR HILLARY IN THE PRIMARY!!
This is not about re-opening the 2016 primary issue at all. That's DONE.
Just that Bernie (and others too like Biden, Harris, etc.) is OUT THERE BIGTIME traveling all over the country doing GOTV rallies. Here is what he says about turning out reluctant voters:
"Tell them to stop the moaning and groaning and GO VOTE!"
Here is what he says about DONNY ROTTEN: "He is a pathological liar who has lied about what he said he was going to do for us." And then he lists some of the major lies.
He goes right after the RePUKES on their plan to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in a BIG way.
Bernie is out there GOTVing with a very strong attack on DONNY ROTTEN.
Bernie is STRONG, CLEAR, and SPOT ON! This is how you do it!
Just wonderful!
We need all our leaders out there with full throated speeches saying that the Radical Right Wingers are coming after our Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and that it is THE most important of your life because your life depends on it.
uppityperson
(115,674 posts)katmondoo
(6,454 posts)He worked hard dissing Hillary instead of Trump
TexasTowelie
(111,304 posts)although some may have missed it.
mudstump
(342 posts)What if he did...so what?....who cares? Can't the man have his own opinion? His ass is covering state after state...often two events in one day....and, you want to criticize his for having his own opinion? How many other people do you see out there working as hard as Bernie?....name some. He's on our side. We need every hand on deck...everyone. Now is not the time to nit pick. We need more fighters like Bernie.
Cha
(295,916 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)The subject line says he's "working his ass off to get out the Dem vote". Yet he's dissing the most popular Democratic President in recent times. How does that get out the Dem vote?
"How many other people do you see out there working as hard as Bernie?" Many, one only needs to look at "Latest Breaking News" and "General Discussion" over the last several days or weeks.
Yes, we need all hands on deck, it would be more helpful if we have those on our side supporting us, not criticizing us. "Now is not the time to nit pick."
Cha
(295,916 posts)time.
Cha
(295,916 posts)points with anything but "BS"?
melman
(7,681 posts)Who made excellent points? I didn't see any.
Cha
(295,916 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,856 posts)The person who posted this OP has been going at it hot and heavy for the last few days. Every post is intended to criticize the Democratic Party because they are not behaving like Trump with the overblown rhetoric and divisiveness. He/she (or it, may be a bot) also copies Trump on the capitalization and exclamation points.
Cha
(295,916 posts)BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)that we can't accept criticism of our last president?
if so, then we will never hold power again.
betsuni
(25,128 posts)"If so, then we will never hold power again."
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Ok. STOP RIGHT THERE.
With that statement you have completely dismissed those who work behind the scenes with no TV camera to so much as say their names.
There are phone banks & door to door. There are thousands across this country in every State who register voters, put together fliers, online site monitors, speech writers, from campaign organizers to clean up crews and all those people you never see but whose work is every bit as credible & worthy of praise & recognition.
Because you don't see them on TV or making the headlines does NOT lower their value nor does it mean that No One Else Exists.
Who do you think Fundraises the millions of dollars it takes to run a Local & State Campaign?
If you honestly believe the only one deserving of such laudation because he's the one you see, then that is your problem.
Look a little deeper into the millions of citizens of all walks of life who contribute daily & without expecting public recognition.
Good for Sen Sanders.
But to laud his efforts alone, while dismissing the unsung heros of this massive National endeavor is really unfair to all who have never asked nor expected their name be headlined for a pat on the back.
Sorry but your statement really hits below the belt on this matter.
Sen Sanders is contributing like millions of others, but he certainly is not single handedly out there doing this all by himself.
Please don't ever hold his fine efforts above the many many others until you have done the homework necessaey to make such a claim.
I won't stand here & allow one to be lauded over all the others who have been working tirelessly for the same cause as Sen Sanders.
Thank you.
George II
(67,782 posts)...for themselves and for others, thousands of them.
Candidates from Governor to Senator to Representative, to State Legislatures, to local municipalities - knocking on doors, handing out flyers, making phone calls, organizing and attending rallies and any number of events. That's how it's done, and no one has a monopoly on campaign efforts.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Barack Obama, Speaker Pelosi & Sec Clinton are the biggest Democratic fundraisers in the country.
It takes a massive organizing effort to draw the funds it takes against the billions & foreign money given to the GOP candidates.
It takes a lot of people working endlessly, out of view of the TV Cameras & Headlines, to put it all together & make it all happen before & after the fundraising event.
It doesn't just happen when you turn on a mic and speak to a camera.
None of these powerhouse speakers are taking a cut for themselves either.
Man, it really sucks to find out this news.
Oh well.
#VOTE BLUE
George II
(67,782 posts)....CT candidate for Congress, Jahana Hayes. She's hoping to replace Elizabeth Esty, who isn't running for re-election.
There were dozens of CT Democratic politicians and dignitaries at the event - State Senators, Representatives, Mayors, and other candidates for office in CT - all "busting their butts" to promote Hayes' campaign.
Do you know who got each and every penny raised last night? Jahana Hayes! She didn't have to split it with anyone else.
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)That's why I always donate directly to the candidate. There's often fine print on an Act Blue direct donation page.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Thanks
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)No name recognition & cheering applause.
It is done from the heart, with like minded people, for a cause we dearly believe in.
I believe my endless efforts these past months are every bit as valuable as anyone elses.
On election day I will drive those from a mapped out area, who need a ride to the polls.
My day will begin early & end late.
I will also provide my own vehicle & buy the gas for the day out of my own pocket.
This I will do without a headline or a TV spot. I will have the support of grateful workers huddled in our campaign office.
We will sit and applaud each other when the day is over.
I am as valuable a part in this mission as Sen Sanders when the election is finally over.
It will always be worth it.
This is what defines Democrats. It is a big tent & the mission is now, & has always been a unified one.
We do it all as a group with each other in mind.
No one person owns the day.
That is the loyalty of the Democratic Party and I am damned proud to always stand on the side of what is right & fair.
Thanks
George II
(67,782 posts)...I've called thousands of voters, walked miles and miles of streets campaigning for others (and myself), organized and attended and contributed to countless fundraisers, etc.
I agree with your analysis
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)<rolls eyes>
heck even when a rich guy on du brags about donating 50 grand that buys what? like 15 secs of commercial?
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Point made, that millions work very hard for campaigns & GOTV. Sen Sanders is certainly not "the only one".as stated above.
Enjoy your night
betsuni
(25,128 posts)to do everything the donator wants them to? Wait, I thought that's how it works. Aren't rich guys and corporations totally in control of everything? That's what I heard.
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)Bravo/Brava.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm all for Sanders trying to get out the vote, if that's what he's really doing.
But imo saying that the ACA -- which still functions and provides healthcare coverage to many millions in spite of everything the Republicans have done to make it collapse -- is part of an "obscene" lack of healthcare is itself obscene.
betsuni
(25,128 posts)Without a Democratic majority able to pass legislation requiring health care for all citizens, providing more people with health care until this is possible (ACA) is not obscene. Health care as a right and not a privilege is not a new radical idea that was so outrageous that "Nobody in America supports these wild ideas" until now -- ridiculous.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Problem is, millions would be without any coverage if the current program were repealed for "a better idea".
How many years will that "better idea" become reality?
As of right now that "better idea" is nothing more than another campaign speech, with not enough on actual paper to prove it's value nor implement it.
And THAT is not enough of a reason to end the current coverage of millions in favor of another "big idea".
He's promoted this idea for a few years now but has yet to present enough data & policy paperwork to answer basic questions as to how & when & how much.
Until that point, with solid data to transition a population the size of the US to the Big Idea, it is only words.
We hear of nothing to back up a project of that size & scope.
He doesn't seem interested in telling us the progress he's made in making it a viable & successful project.
I haven't seen it anywhere
Just popular words on a campaign tour.
Show us more before continually degrading & bemoaning the best we have now because Selling an Idea is the easy part.
Fla Dem
(23,351 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 22, 2018, 12:17 PM - Edit history (1)
But they aren't divisive so they don't get the media attention that BS gets. They aren't out there stirring the pot and sowing the seeds of anarchy so when the next presidential election comes around there is divisions in the Democratic Party.
Yes, other than Obama and Pelosi they all have Presidential aspirations just like BS, but they're out there working for Democrats and to unite the Democratic Party not divide it.
This:
"But they aren't divisive so they don't get the media attention that BS gets. They aren't out there stirring the pot and sowing the seeds of anarchy so when the next presidential election comes around there is divisions in the Democratic Party. "
They are committed to a loyalty to each other & a united goal to bring the best of equality, security & future, for the benefit of the population of this country.
This is The Democratic Party.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)But I'm not optimistic.
TexasTowelie
(111,304 posts)sheshe2
(83,341 posts)https://thegrio.com/2018/08/30/vermonts-only-black-woman-state-legislator-drops-out-of-race-due-to-racist-threats/
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Someone should be asking about this. Great find, she, and great question about a candidate in his own state.
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)Also the candidate for Governor is transgender and receiving death threats as well. He is the state Senator. Where is he? Everywhere but his state.
Vermont candidate for governor Christine Hallquist receiving death threats
https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/crime/2018/08/21/vermont-transgender-candidate-christine-hallquist-gets-death-threats/1054723002/
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)him about his involvement and accomplishment in his own state. Shocking that he would think liberal California gets his attention before Vermont candidates. Maybe Feinstein should go to Vermont to help out with those neglected candidates.
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)And perhaps for a black woman as well.
I do not understand, or maybe I do. I just don't know.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)He's on our side as long as he doesn't split the Democratic party in 2020.
whathehell
(28,969 posts)even those who continue to misjudge him.
George II
(67,782 posts)mudstump
(342 posts)going from one campaign stop to the next? Hillary? (before you jump down my throat...I voted for Hillary)
Cha
(295,916 posts)lapucelle
(18,040 posts)Nancy P. and HRC have raised more money...and they don't ask for a vig.
Cha
(295,916 posts)I just looked that up.. Thank You, lapucelle
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)They raise funds for Democrats, no strings attached, no fine print.
Cha
(295,916 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)She doesn't hold elective office, she's not a sitting Senator, she's not a potential presidential candidate, and she's not "Outreach Chair,"
so what does she have to do with this conversation?
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)Sad, isn't it?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Go easy on Hillary though... she's retired from politics, so one should not expect her to be out on the campaign trail.
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)betsuni
(25,128 posts)Magoo48
(4,659 posts)doing and saying much less than they could be. Btw, letting go of the last election is quite therapeutic...
TexasTowelie
(111,304 posts)I listened to most of one of his speeches from yesterday. I thought his references to the "establishment" and how Trump used it to scare voters was also a subtle dig at President Obama's administration and Hillary Clinton as a candidate. That portion of his narrative will need to improve before I will say that Bernie is spot on.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)And that statement alone is where the problem in this thread lies.
He is one of millions across this country.
TexasTowelie
(111,304 posts)is beginning in Texas. Bernie isn't on my ballot.
I'll also be the one riding my bike to get to the courthouse annex to cast my vote. There isn't any room for Bernie or anyone else on the bike.
Personally, I think that disgust with Republicans in general and Trump in particular are going to be bigger incentives to get people to vote than Bernie. Whatever the outcome is in a couple of weeks, Bernie will have an advantage because he can share in the credit if there are Democratic victories or as an independent he can criticize Democratic messaging, policies, and even candidate selections if Democrats fail to take control of at least one house of Congress.
Stated simply, Bernie does not face any risk being associated with any of the Democratic candidates and he positions himself for a rosy outcome regardless of the results from the mid-terms. The astute realize the political calculus.
mountain grammy
(26,571 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...for whom he's campaigning?
Sanders was not campaigning for anyone
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)All I'm saying is that if he's not appearing somewhere to specifically and explicitly benefit an actual candidate who's running in South Carolina, then the only other explanation seems perfectly clear to me.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I hope that's the actual effect it has. All I'm trying to say is from what I see, the Democratic party officials (and candidates?) in SC have concerns that such efforts would have an opposite effect. Or maybe their concern is that his presence would fire up the GOP voters to come out in opposition. When it comes to things like this, I think the local party officials are the ones that I'd trust more than a senator from Vermont, that's all.
mudstump
(342 posts)he gave a furious speech against Trump.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(295,916 posts)October 21 - Fort Dodge, IA and Way Ames, IA
October 22 - Milwaukee, WI and Kenosha, WI
October 23 - Tucson (University of Arizona) and Tempe, AR
October 24 - Boulder, CO and Ft. Collins, CO
October 25 - Las Vegas, NV and Reno, NV
October 26 - San Diego, CA
October 27 - San Francisco, CA
This is just a partial list of his stops for candidates....most two stops a day. He's busting his butt and begging us to get out to vote and get other people to vote.
Thank you, Bernie
George II
(67,782 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)Autumn
(44,762 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(44,762 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)Autumn
(44,762 posts)I loved that episode, one of my all time favorites.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Autumn
(44,762 posts)sheshe2
(83,341 posts)You are...unforgettable, unforgivable you~
JHan
(10,173 posts)but you can selectively focus on the parts you like I guess.
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)You wrote an OP, if you couldn't handle people disagreeing with you why post it?
In any case, if he persists in using establishment arguments against those he dislikes or disapprove of when they're Democratic and have progressive records, you bet I will continue to *NOT* like it. He's not the only person out there fighting for a better America.
JudyM
(29,122 posts)And he certainly is working his ass off. Looking at the list of scores and scores of stops hes making around the country Im impressed with his fortitude. His seat is pretty safe because the vast majority of his constituents are on board with him, so hes throwing a ton of energy to helping Dems around the country. Focusing on GOTV, impressing upon folks whats at stake.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)Autumn
(44,762 posts)Socialism......
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)lapucelle
(18,040 posts)betsuni
(25,128 posts)Cha
(295,916 posts)being rude.."
That's too bad, BS. We'll Protest the Way We Want.
whathehell
(28,969 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)lapucelle
(18,040 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)CONSERVATIVES all over the interwebs..
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)and it doesn't matter how much energy he puts behind the Democratic candidates they will still see him as a spoiler, a non Dem, a whatever. I hope these people know that their negative comments about Bernie is like giving tRump and putin a big, fat, sloppy kiss.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Since she won the popular vote by 3M.
She lost because of the electoral college and Bernie had nothing to do with that. Not going to those key big swing states was the decision of the HRC campaign and the DNC, long after the primaries, when Bernie was working to turn out the vote for her.
George II
(67,782 posts)....for the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, until Labor Day weekend, five weeks later.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...made big appearances in those three key states never. The ground troops there were begging her to come and for more money. Nada.
Campaigning for her from August forward is about right for a November election.
But okay---lack of strategy in these old pros at the DNC and in the campaign, and underfunding of workers in key states--is all Bernie's fault. What a powerful guy.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)about her and you can look at the Mueller indictments to see who the Russians benefitted to harm Hillary:
Bernie, Trump, Stein
Tad Devine and Paul Manafort were both running the opposition campaigns against Hillary. You sure omit the inconvenient facts and news that the rest of us know about now going on years now.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...clearly should do nothing but deflect blame to a host of other causes and thereby never have to look at or learn what they could have and should have done differently in the election, so we can get it right this time.
But for one thing, if Bernie had so much power to influence---doesn't it stand to reason she should have had a more progressive message? The message propounded by the Party this time around is already more progressive as are many of the new candidates. This change reflects a message about what happened in 2016.
Just today on the BBC which I trust more than any USA media outlet talked about how African American voters in Chicago, who voted for Obama in '08, stayed home for Hillary. This wasn't b/c of FB bots or Bernie Sanders or voter suppression.
It was because they suffered so much under Clinton policies from the 90's--welfare "reform" that caused an increase in poverty for minority communities, the crime bill that stripped funding for college from incarcerated people, and that changed sentencing laws thus targetting some much more than others, the "super predators" meme. Etc. Thus there were problems internal to the HRC campaign that were in play.Though saying that will probably get me alerted.
In any event---many see the Party as needing much re-assessment and others see the debacle of 2016 as all external to the party. Let's call it a draw. This is tedious. I'm off to my poll watching training. I'm glad many leaders in the Party have started to change. Have a good day.
betsuni
(25,128 posts)sentencing laws thus targeting some much more than others" -- so do you think this will be a problem for Bernie Sanders if he runs for president in 2020? Since he voted for the crime bill.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)....a candidate. Only to policy. Not a cultist.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)unchallenged before, like the intentional damage done to our candidate that was allowed to continue. Even your biased renditions about Clintons presidency echo the negative smears perpetuated by so-called progressives. African Americans didnt vote in numbers as high as Obama, but Hillary had a great turnout. Clinton left a surplus for Gore, but he wasnt good enough either.
In the meantime, no one askes about why progressive ideas from Bernie arent reality in Vermont: no single payer, no $15 minimum wage, no free education.
Clinton beat the GOP at their own game 25 years ago. You probably think its tedious not to have center stage with the so-called Clinton critiquing, but the false narratives arent going to be the pushovers they were allowed before. People are sick of Democrats being maligned.
betsuni
(25,128 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Was on BBC Radio at about 3AM EST, Tuesday, so about 8AM in London. They are doing a series of interviews of ordinary Americans "on the street" and then commenting after the segment on what it all means.
So I have no BBC link. But here's another one on the topic of African American turn out.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/
elleng
(130,153 posts)Cha
(295,916 posts)Too bad if some deem them "negative".
And, you can keep your "..giving tRump and putin a big, fat, sloppy kiss." to yourself. No one is rolling over because of your imagination.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)Its called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Cha
(295,916 posts)Not to mention, who the fuck uses a triggered meme in their sig line on a Democratic website?
betsuni
(25,128 posts)Everybody knows this. WHY
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)complete with movie gifs in the others to reenact the very very personalized drama trauma. A star is born!
mountain grammy
(26,571 posts)awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)Who's their? Sounds like something I would read over at a not so Dem friendly site.
"Their"......
LBM20
(1,580 posts)Cha
(295,916 posts)DEMS WORKING HARD AGAINST trump and his DOORMATS. BS is NOT the ONLY ONE.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Response to elmac (Reply #12)
Post removed
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Voting no on sanctions. Telling people that Russian interference in our elections was just a distraction. Hiring Tad Devine...
So much more, but so little time this morning.
elmac
(4,642 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Too big of a mess to clean up. Isn't it just so funny.
elmac
(4,642 posts)the Bernie haters keep bringing up republiCon talking points but its a good way to populate my ignore list.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Donkees
(31,085 posts)progressoid
(49,825 posts)mudstump
(342 posts)I sent him money to use to help get progressives elected. The man never stops and it's the least we can do to send money to support him and others. VOTE!
George II
(67,782 posts)mudstump
(342 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,040 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)lame54
(35,139 posts)Writing pi in it's entirety
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,780 posts)It's time we all put the 2016 primaries behind us. This is now, and he is working like Hell to get Dems elected now.
I'd invite/respectfully suggest/ask that he consider rejoining the party that also includes Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris, take a seat at the table, and work together to close the deal on 2018 and start making a plan for 2020.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Not sure if he's doing it to all candidates he's working his little fingers to the bone for, but here's what he's doing for Gretchen Whitmer, Dem candidate for MI Governor:
Link to tweet
Click on the actblue link and 50% of your donation goes to Bernie.
Here's a better link if you want all of your donation to go to Gretchen Whitmer, the actual MI Gov candidate:
Link to tweet
Cha
(295,916 posts)he got his take then, too.. it's his MO. 1/2 for them 1/2 for him.
Thank You for this!
"political elite".. that's what he called the Democratic Party on Nov 16, 2016 when everyone was hurting so bad from trump taking over. Before anyone knew the election was stolen. BS was Dead Wrong.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)Cha
(295,916 posts)And, he damn well better be saying it about trump and the gop.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)No wonder its all friendly with the Dems lately.
I wouldn't have a problem with this except it leaves a really bad taste. Ya know. Like something's not right & fair & upfront about it.
Cripe sakes.
Thank you for this great big FYI
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)It's important to know where your donation money is going!
George II
(67,782 posts)...of Liz Watson and Gretchen Whitmer. Actually when you go to the ActBlue link, it says:
"Your contribution will be divided evenly between Liz Watson, Gretchen Whitmer, and 1 other group"
Guess who that "1 other group" is? You have to go searching on the site to find out that without being specifically mentioned, Sanders is getting one-third of your contribution unless you say otherwise.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)It's certainly unethical and dishonest.
melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Let's see that link please
George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)It's difficult to post a link that does not exist.
Here's the one that actually does exist.
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/bernie-whitmer?refcode=fb181020-photos
and here is what it shows for those who don't want to click.
Clearly states where money goes (no 'searching around' required) and gives option to change amounts.
as seen here...
George II
(67,782 posts)TexasTowelie
(111,304 posts)when he had almost $7 million in cash for his Senate campaign (May 2018 data)? I read that he was so popular that nobody stands a chance against him in the election.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/18/bernie-sanders-launches-9-state-tour-friday-bloomington/1684587002/
I honestly do not know why Bernie would need such a stockpile of money, unless he is planning to run for another office.
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)TexasTowelie
(111,304 posts)From what I read online there are plenty of people that do not agree.
I will be interested to see how Bernie spends that Senate campaign money and form my opinion.
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)https://secure.actblue.com/donate/bernie-whitmer-watson
I think some people may have been confused because BS is not "a group". Act Blue should be consistently transparent.
melman
(7,681 posts)All the information is spelled out quite clearly. Nothing is hidden.
As you can see..
here
and here.
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)to ensure that their money goes where they want it to go.
The recommendation is simply that donors read the whole page, focus on the fine print, click on the fine print if it contains a link, and understand that a "group" might be an individual, rather than an actual group.
Many people have limited money to contribute and want it to go where it is actually needed for the 2018 election. (Most of us are not millionaires and billionaires with deep pockets.) Potential donors should be aware that they can contribute directly to the candidate through links on the candidates' websites and that they should be sure to read the fine print if the mailing/communication soliciting donations comes from a individual or group other than the actual candidate.
https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/whitmer-spash-page
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/lizwatson
The logo at the top of the Act Blue donation page is probably the simplest way to ensure that your money goes where you want it to go.
For Whitmer:
For Watson:
For the "simple form" two way split:
For Whitmer, Watson, and "one other group".
George II
(67,782 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:02 AM - Edit history (1)
(the underlined sentences are the links, the bold is mine) The first link is in the email, the second one is on the page you get to when clicking the first link.
Sisters and Brothers -
We started our eight-day, nine-state tour yesterday with stops in Bloomington, Indiana to campaign for Liz Watson, a strong progressive running for Congress there, and in Ann Arbor, Michigan to campaign for another progressive running for governor, Gretchen Whitmer. And in just a moment, I am going to ask you to make a $3 donation to both of their campaigns. This is important.
NOTE: Your contribution will be divided evenly between Liz Watson, Gretchen Whitmer, and 1 other group. Click here to allocate amounts differently or view all recipients
~~~~~~~~~~
No mention of that "other group" in the paragraph with the link to ActBlue, and then no mention of who that "1 other group" is until you go to the SECOND page, so "all the information is" not "spelled out quite clearly", as you can see above. Why not simply be up front and transparent about "ALL recipients" right away in the email?
I've been directly involved in politics for more than 20 years, have been a campaign treasurer for about 16 years. I've organized fundraisers and sent out communications asking for contributions, and have never seen anything like that.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
whathehell
(28,969 posts)lapucelle
(18,040 posts)I filled in a $10 donation to see the split.
George II
(67,782 posts)"Gretchen Whitmer, Liz Watson, and 1 other group". Hmmmm.
No photograph of Whitmer. No photograph of Watson, and neither of their campaign logos?
By the way, nowhere at any of the links provided in the email or the website is the name of the actual committee(s) to which the contribution is supposed to be forwarded!
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)Gothmog
(143,999 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I'm not a lawyer, but I'd be interested in hearing how campaign finance laws affect something like this.
George II
(67,782 posts)....to which they're going. Just names. I'm not even sure that's 100% legal, as least regarding contributions to political campaigns. But without the names of the committees, we don't even know if the money is going to political campaigns (or to those intended)
And not by coincidence, I'm sure, about an hour ago I received another one - that's three in the last six days, ten in the last month.
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Pity Puddles
(98 posts)Bernie still endorsed Whitmer.
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)Why?
Who is he really campaigning for? Oh, never mind.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)jalan48
(13,798 posts)RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)He's working really hard for an older dude, haha. Kudos to an active progressive leader!
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)of little girls being tossed in Frankenstein movies, so wouldnt that make you the performer? How does this work?
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)The usual suspect about the Usual Suspects...? lol, its a real crackup.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)I saw your usual cartoon...
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)I am knocking on doors all day for my local Democratic Congressional candidate and phone banking tonight for my Democratic Gubernatorial candidate. I choose to spend my energy getting Democrats elected.
I am asking you respectfully,please don't contact me again.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)posters/voters here over and over again with your usual cartoons. Theres a word for that, actually. Ill certainly point out the false narratives and patterns of negativity such as nasty cartoons meant to diminish good Democrats.
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)You do it often.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)I just believe that Democrats and Independents who caucus with the Democrats should be respected.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Donkees
(31,085 posts)democrank
(11,052 posts)for everything Bernie has done to help the people of our state and this country. Bernie has my support today, just like he did two decades ago.
Some people resent the fact that Bernie doesn't fit well in the Status Quo category.
diva77
(7,604 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)SixString
(1,057 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)Hakuna matata and get out the vote-a!
SixString
(1,057 posts)It's good to see Bernie helping the Dems GOTV.
This guy is a workhorse.
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)SixString
(1,057 posts)Pity Puddles
(98 posts)He knows how to get people motivated.
SixString
(1,057 posts)sheshe2
(83,341 posts)You know, the state that elected him?
One candidate is leaving after her term ends. She is receiving death threats. She is black. The transgender woman for Governor that won the Democratic primary is also receiving death threats. Where is BS for his state?
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)https://www.newsweek.com/kiah-morris-racist-threats-vermont-representative-people-color-tj-donovan-1095416
In the VT governor's race, the Democratic challenger is running against an incumbent Republican governor who vetoed both an increase in the minimum wage and the creation of a paid family leave program. However,
The poll, commissioned by Vermont Public Radio and Vermont PBS, showed Republican Gov. Phil Scott holding a 42 to 28 percent lead over Democratic nominee Christine Hallquist. Another 22 percent said they were not sure who they would support.
With 22% undecided, the race seems winnable. Hopefully BS's national tour will make a stop in Vermont for Hallquist.
https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/election-2018/
After all, like workers at Disney and Amazon, the people of Vermont deserve a living wage and basic protections in times of family illness or crisis.
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/election-2018/
After all, like workers at Disney and Amazon, the people of Vermont deserve a living wage and basic protections in times of family illness or crisis.
One would think so, lapucelle.
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Response to SixString (Reply #126)
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Pity Puddles
(98 posts)Sent it back the following day. Regardless, I get to meet the Big Guy himself (Bernie) on the 24th supporting our local Democratic candidate in the state House!
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)the way he treated her.
This doesnt read like a thread about Bernie helping Democrats, but whats new.
garybeck
(9,932 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)To campaign for Dem. Governor candidate, David Garcia. At this point our current Gov. Doug Ducey (aka Douchey) holds a wide lead over Garcia.
While I commend Sanders for coming to GOTV for Garcia, I wish he'd also show support for our other Democratic candidates, particularly Dem. candidate, Krysten Sinema. Sinema is neck and neck right now against Trump's favorite, Martha McSally, for Jeff Flake's Senate seat. If Sinema wins, it will be the first time we've had a Democratic Senator from AZ since 1976. We have several other awesome Dem. candidates for Congress who could use the boost as well.
The OP says that Sanders is working to get out the "Dem vote", but at least in AZ, it's only for one specific candidate.
JI7
(89,180 posts)Doitnow
(1,103 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)demmiblue
(36,751 posts)betsuni
(25,128 posts)as an insult and concentrated on supporting Democrats! This is how you do it!
mountain grammy
(26,571 posts)Getting out the vote. Creating enthusiasm. Nothing but love ❤️ for Senator Bernie Sanders.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Republicans may put up with that shit, but Democrats do not.
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)Why is it that when Bernie is praised, we have a big long huge thread where we all argue, and
Why is it that when Bernie is trashed, we have a big long huge thread where we all argue?
Statement: Bernie is working hard to get out the Democratic vote.
My reaction? Yay! Good! Yes, all of us need to GOTV.
Isn't that all that is needed? We're wasting life force here...
hueymahl
(2,415 posts)Just a lot of butt-hurt people here that can't move on, I guess.
betsuni
(25,128 posts)What does this mean.
hueymahl
(2,415 posts)What do you think it means? Here is one definition of "butt-hurt" : https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/butthurt
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)"We need all our leaders out there with full throated speeches saying that the Radical Right Wingers are coming after our Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and that it is THE most important of your life because your life depends on it. "
dragonlady
(3,577 posts)He was there to get out the vote for Tony Evers and Mandela Barnes (for governor/lt. governor), Sen. Tammy Baldwin, and Randy Bryce (for Congress). They all spoke, as well as Rep. Gwen Moore and a few others. This afternoon Bernie will also be at a rally for Randy Bryce in his district. (Bernie also did a rally for Randy way back when Paul Ryan was still the opponent.)