Body parts of Jamal Khashoggi have been found in the garden of the Saudi Consul General's home

[MelissaB]

Body parts of Jamal Khashoggi have been found in the garden of the Saudi Consul General's home, @AlexCrawfordSky is reporting from Istanbul.

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Body parts belonging to murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi have been found, according to Sky sources.

Sources have told Sky News the writer had been "cut up" and his face "disfigured".

One source also suggested Mr Khashoggi's remains were discovered in the garden of the Saudi consul general's home.

It comes after Turkey's president said Mr Khashoggi's body had not been found and demanded Saudi officials reveal its whereabouts.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan said: "Why has the body of someone who was officially said to be killed not been found yet?"

There was also no mention of an alleged audio recording that the Turkish authorities claim to have of Mr Khashoggi's death that supposedly confirms he was tortured, killed, had his fingers cut off and was dismembered.

More: https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-jamal-khashoggis-body-parts-found-11533202

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[MelissaB]

1. Another report from Sky News

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[global1]

2. I Find It Hard To Believe That The Saudi Consul General Would Let Anyone....

rummage around his garden looking for body parts.

[riversedge]

3. neither cnn nor msnbc are reporting this at this time.

[MelissaB]

5. How reliable is Sky News?

Do you know?

[babylonsister]

7. I think fairly reliable.

Sky has been around for awhile.

Sky News is a 24-hour international multimedia news organisation based in the UK that started as a 24-hour television news channel. John Ryley is the Head of Sky News, a role he has held since June 2006. Sky News is currently Royal Television Society News Channel of the Year, the eleventh time it has held the award.[2]

A sister channel, Sky News Arabia, is operated as a joint venture with the Abu Dhabi Media Investment Corporation. Another sister channel, Sky News Australia, was part owned by Sky News parent Sky plc until December 2016. A channel called Sky News International, with the same news content as the UK channel but without British adverts, is available in Europe, Africa, Asia and the United States. Sky News Radio provides national and international news to commercial radio and community radio stations in the UK and to other English-language stations around the world. Sky News also provides content to Yahoo! News. The channel is available on Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV, Roku and YouTube.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_News

[MelissaB]

8. Thanks!

[dewsgirl]

15. They are quite reliable to my knowledge.

[Calista241]

19. Sky News is owned by 21st Century Fox, which is majority owned by News Corp.

[MelissaB]

4. I find it hard to believe they would be stupid enough to bury them there.

It's going to be interesting to see if this is confirmed by another source.

[Bettie]

9. They might be arrogant enough

to believe it doesn't matter, that they can do whatever without consequences.

[Honeycombe8]

16. And that anyone would let someone search there. I'll wait to hear it reported by a news org I know.

CNN, maybe. I'm not familiar w/Sky, and this is sort of bizarre.

[OnlinePoker]

27. They had Turkish forensic teams in the embassy itself.

If the Consul General's house isn't in the embassy compound, is it still considered sovereign ground? Either way, it sounds like a way for someone in the Saudi hierarchy to settle some scores by setting this guy up. Seriously, who would allow body parts to be buried where you live?

[Flaleftist]

12. Does Turkey need his permission?

The consulate may have certain protections, but does that extend to the house and yard of people who work there?

Either way, if they sent a security team to search, whose going to stop them? If they have the body now, that should be easily provable.

[hatrack]

20. Per the Vienna Convention, consular immunity is limited compared with embassy officers/staff

Note, this is the US State Department on missions operating in the United States. Though the general principles of diplomatic/consular immunity are internationally accepted, not sure how things would work in accordance with Turkish law. In the US, at least, a consular officer suspected of a felony can be arrested and detained on a warrant issued by the appropriate court.

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Consular personnel perform a variety of functions of principal interest to their respective sending countries (e.g., issuance of travel documents, attending to the difficulties of their own nationals who are in the host country, and generally promoting the commerce of the sending country). Countries have long recognized the importance of consular functions to their overall relations, but consular personnel generally do not have the principal role of providing communication between the two countries — that function is performed by diplomatic agents at embassies in capitals. The 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations grants a very limited level of privileges and immunities to consular personnel assigned to consulates that are located outside of capitals.

There is a common misunderstanding that consular personnel have diplomatic status and are entitled to diplomatic immunity.

Consular officers are those members of consular posts who are recognized by both the sending and the host country as fully authorized to perform the broad array of formal consular functions. They have only 11 official acts or functional immunity in respect of both criminal and civil matters, and their personal inviolability is quite limited. Consular officers may be arrested or detained pending trial only if the offense is a felony and that the arrest is made pursuant to a decision by a competent judicial authority (e.g., a warrant issued by an appropriate court).5 They can be prosecuted for misdemeanors, but remain at liberty pending trial or other disposition of charges. Property of consular officers is not inviolable. Consular officers are not obliged to provide evidence as witnesses in connection with matters involving their official duties, to produce official documents, or to provide expert witness testimony on the laws of the sending country. Absent a bilateral agreement, the family members of consular officers enjoy no personal inviolability and no jurisdictional immunity of any kind.

As indicated, official acts immunity pertains in numerous different circumstances. No law enforcement officer, U.S. Department of State officer, diplomatic mission, or consulate is authorized to determine whether a given set of circumstances constitutes an official act. This is an issue which may only be resolved by the court with subject matter jurisdiction over the alleged crime. Thus, a person enjoying official acts immunity from criminal jurisdiction may be charged with a crime and may, in this connection, always be required to appear in court (in person or through counsel). At this point, however, such person may assert as an affirmative defense that the actions complained of arose in connection with the performance of official acts. If, upon examination of the circumstances complained of, the court agrees, then the court is without jurisdiction to proceed and the case must be dismissed. Law enforcement officers are requested to contact the Department of State before arresting a consular officer, or, if not possible, immediately after arrest.

Consular officers who are full-time practitioners of consular functions are referred to as “career” consular officers. These officers are normally nationals of the sending country who are sent to the United States to perform these functions for a specific period and then are transferred to a further assignment. Career consular officers are prohibited by international law from engaging in professional or commercial activities outside the scope of their official consular functions.

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https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/150546.pdf

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

6. Msnbc cnn nor fox reporting this

Cnn has Reporter there no mention of this.

[kpete]

10. warning:

Sources also said a picture circulating on social media purported to be the corpse is fake

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[MelissaB]

11. I saw that as well, but this isn't about a pic of the coprse

and nobody else is confirming yet.

[watoos]

13. Isn't Rupert Murdoch

the majority owner of Sky?

[hatrack]

18. No, though bidding under way, but UK would require divestment of Sky News if sold to Murdoch

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-05/u-k-is-said-to-clear-fox-s-sky-bid-subject-to-sale-of-news

[peekaloo]

22. I'm confused. I thought Murdoch was being divested of his share of Sky

via 20th Century Fox selling their shares.

Comcast is poised to take over.

[Nitram]

14. You can't make this stuff up. Sometimes I feel like I'm living in a virtual version of the world's

worst movie. But this might be Fake News...

[Stuart G]

25. Yes, I second that motion... Once I saw a film called, "Idiocracy"...

If this is true, that the body parts are in the garden of the Saudi Counsel, then this show is crazier than the film Idiocracy. Now, the total arrogance of this, if true...?? goes beyond a script from a movie about Idiots.
.
..........Perhaps this is fake news and we have all been conned again............???

[TheBlackAdder]

17. Like all bad movie scripts, the Saudis will claim, "It's the gardener!"

[bronxiteforever]

21. Turkish intel probably bugged the conversation re disposal of body

I would think that whatever anyone thinks of Erdogan, his intel services are probably excellent and ruthless. Since the attempted Turkish coup, Erdogan has heavily invested in his police force.
The Turkish intel agencies have been all over this.

[AdamGG]

23. Isn't an advantage of cutting someone up in pieces

that you can scatter the remains in different locations and make identification more difficult? It seems hard to believe that the Saudis would leave the remains on their property.

[getagrip_already]

24. really, who doesn't have the occasional body part in their garden?

Let's look at how the reich wing will position this.....

The democrats probably put them there.

We can't be sure it's him unless trump gets to test the dna himself.

See, guns don't kill people. If he were armed, he'd still be alive.

This is a deep state conspiracy.

He can't be dead. He wasn't even a real person. He never existed.

Sigh, now I'm depressed.

[workinclasszero]

26. OMG

Well I'm sure Trump and Pat Robinson will say its good fertilizer mumble mumble 100 billion dollar arms deal.......

[magicarpet]

28. I know,.. I know,..

Khashoggi expressed a desire to move into the Saw-Die Embassy like Assange's deal with Ecuador. So the Saw-Dies allowed Khashoggi to take up residence in the garden area so he could feel comfortable.

He then committed suicide and buried himself in the garden.

[Scurrilous]

29. K&R

[Vinca]

30. It doesn't get much more grisly than that.How can a human being do that to another?

Fuck the Saudis and their billions of dollars. Lives are worth more than money.

[MelissaB]

31. Latest unconfirmed report:

Jamal Khashoggi body parts found: Latest detail as FACE discovered in garden

THE BODY of slain journalist Jamal Khashoggi has supposedly been discovered in Istanbul with his face “disfigured.”

Jamal Khashoggi went missing on October 2 after enterring the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

After weeks of sepcualtion, officials have now confirmed the journalist is dead - and now it is believed his body has been discovered as an investigation into his death got underway.

Dogu Perincek, leader of Turkey's Rodina party, claimed in an interview his body parts were discovered in Istanbul during forensic searches.

More: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1035354/Jamal-Khashoggi-body-parts-found-Saudi-arabia-latest-details

[MelissaB]

32. New from AP: Turkish probe of Khashoggi killing turns to garden well.

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Saudi Arabia again changes its story on Khashoggi killing

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Conflicting reports surfaced about whether Turkish investigators had searched a well in the garden of the Saudi diplomatic compound as part of their probe.

Investigators emptied the well and are awaiting the results of an analysis of the water to determine whether any human remains were dumped there, according to Yeni Safak, a pro-government Turkish newspaper. But Sabah, another pro-government newspaper that has published leaks about the case from Turkish officials, said Saudi Arabia had yet to give Turkish authorities permission for a search.

Turkish media have also published a security camera image allegedly showing a vehicle belonging to the Saudi Consulate “scouting” a forest in the outskirts of Istanbul before Khashoggi was killed. The image, obtained by state television TRT and other media, shows a black car with a diplomatic license plate at an entrance to Belgrade Forest.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said Saudi officials made “reconnaissance” trips to the forest as well as the city of Yalova a day before Khashoggi was killed. Turkish officials have told AP that investigators were looking into the possibility that the journalist’s remains may have been hidden at those two locations.

https://www.apnews.com/602e88e1b76148c48dcfe4838d9be33b