How did the Michael Avenatti resistance rally in Texas go?

[oberliner]

It was set for the same time as the Trump/Cruz rally - haven't seen anything about it.

Anyone have details?

[TheBlackAdder]

1. YOu know, I saw the Avanatti OP and I didn't have to see who the OP writer was. Nailed it.

[oberliner]

15. More DUers should start writing OPs critical of Avenatti

Until they do, I will take up the challenge.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

42. So this is a critical OP? You are not "just asking questions"?

I figured as much.

[oberliner]

71. Yes, it was a rhetorical question

To make a point.

[nocoincidences]

50. Because posts that challenge him are so useful. Right?

Not.

[oberliner]

72. What percentage of GD posts would you characterize as useful?

[Drahthaardogs]

89. Are you asking for all of them

Or just the ones you author?

[oberliner]

90. All of them

[Drahthaardogs]

96. Well, I would say (unscientifically of course) most

Yours; however, tend to be redundant and center around

1) Al Franken is a pariah

2) Gillibrand is the bestest EVER

3) Avanetti is also pariah

Dead horses and clubs do come to mind

[Meowmee]

109. This

What is up with this poster, sounds like robotic repetiton of the same thing over and over.

[George II]

56. Why should people write more OPs critical of Avenatti? He's helping MUCH more than he's hurting.

[oberliner]

74. Well those who feel that way would not write such OPs

But there do seem to be some Democrats who don't feel that way and in fact believe he is doing more harm than good.

[fallout87]

51. It's a valid question

Some of us have realized how toxic some of his actions have been for Democrats.

[brush]

57. He's a Democrat. If this was an anti-Bernie post it would be yelling about a violation DU TOS

[fallout87]

66. So in your mind...

anyone claiming to be a democrat is immune to any criticism?

[brush]

67. Read the terms of service.

[oberliner]

78. Alan Dershowitz is a Democrat also

Search DU for posts about him.

[oberliner]

77. Kirsten Gillibrand and Tulsi Gabbard are Democrats, right?

[LanternWaste]

2. I wish technology provided us with a device

I wish technology provided us with a device we could simply type a question into and receive a short, concise answer to it.

Without that tech though, I suppose we have to rely on questions of alleged sincerity and a purported curiosity.

[OnDoutside]

3. Bing ? O.

[MrsCoffee]

5. +1

[nocoincidences]

8. That would be amazingly useful, wouldn't it?

[oberliner]

23. I wish I lived in a world where people didn't fall for hucksters

[USALiberal]

11. Here you go!!!!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+did+the+Michael+Avenatti+resistance+rally+in+Texas+go

[George II]

25. I use google several times a day simply by typing in a question. Invariably I get the...

Last edited Tue Oct 23, 2018, 01:20 PM - Edit history (1)

...correct answer directly or some of the links direct me to the answer.

[USALiberal]

40. +1000 nt

[oberliner]

16. rhe·tor·i·cal ques·tion

a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.

(That's via Google)

[MyNameGoesHere]

44. rhe·tor·i·cal ques·tion

Alt Def. Imaginary utensil used to stir a pot of shit.

[nocoincidences]

49. Also:

primary tool of passive aggressive personality types.

[oberliner]

81. It's a discussion forum

Can we discuss whether or not Avenatti is helping or hurting the cause?

Edit to add: Personally, I'd rather we talked about what is going on in Yemen, but no one responds to posts on that subject.

[ChubbyStar]

87. Since we aren't discussing Yemen you must default to Avenatti?

Now that is true LOGIC.

[oberliner]

92. No, I think they are both worth commening on

But the latter generates a much greater response than the former, so I will engage with the topic that more people are interested in discussing here.

[MyNameGoesHere]

91. It is a discussion board.

Don't know if lighting a fire and screaming there's a fire is a good way to start a discussion. You respond intelligently most of the time, so when you just toss something out there you know, I know, and probably everyone knows the intent. Honest discussion is what you're looking for.

[oberliner]

93. No fire and no screaming

Honest discussion is what I'm looking for. Here's my question, presented in a calm and reasonable way: Is Avenatti problematic for the success of the Democratic party? My view is that he is and I would like folks to consider the reasons why. I also understand why others feel he is helping the party and I'm definitely open to changing my view and having the conversation.

[betsuni]

102. "Honest discussion is what I'm looking for."

[lapucelle]

110. Well, people are honestly discussing what they suspect is going on with OPs like this.

That's the "question that seems to be generating a much greater response" than either Yemen or Avenatti.

[WeekiWater]

4. Is this it?

Link to tweet

[oberliner]

17. No

He said he was going to do a rally in Texas on the day of the Trump/Cruz rally.

I guess those twitter photos are better PR for him - otherwise, why not just do the work without tweeting about it, like the many many lawyers helping those separated at the border.

[WeekiWater]

26. "He said he was going to do a rally in Texas on the day of the Trump/Cruz rally. "

His involvement was clearly canceled. Google can be difficult to navigate. I know.

[oberliner]

69. Google is pretty easy to navigate

Use it to look up "rhetorical question"

[Doremus]

65. When I see your ID I think of Oberlin, Ohio

A city not far from here. Its college has a rich history of liberalism and is abhorred by repukes far and wide for its progressivism (it was the first college in the country to accept blacks for instance).

I think of that when I see your ID. When I read your posts I don't think of it any longer.

[oberliner]

68. Oberlin students would have zero patience for Avenatti

Instead favoring real progressives who quietly and humbly devote their lives to the cause.

[irisblue]

106. ..." Instead favoring real progressives who quietly and humbly devote their lives to the cause."

Really? Well that assertion gave me a smile


While Oberlin College has a tradition of progressive causes, it's the " quietly and humbly" that makes it so so much better

[Doremus]

108. Utter nonsense. Apparently you're ignorant of Avenatti's background.

He has worked for Democratic causes for many years.

That you denigrate him based on baseless claims reveals an irrational bias against him for some unknown reason.

We can each come to our own conclusions about said reasons in the absence of any compelling rationale.

In the meantime don't profess to know what Oberlin students would find appalling because you haven't a clue.

[WeekiWater]

6. He didn't seem to shy away from anything. Great that he went to a phone operation.

I'm not what one would call an Avenatti fan but I greatly appreciate this. One thing matters right now. Enthusiasm.

http://www.fosters.com/news/20181022/avenatti-unfazed-by-attacks-as-he-mulls-white-house-run

[oberliner]

18. Clearly, he has a fan base

[WeekiWater]

24. And a non-fan base.

Considering a one second google search returned the results of your query.

[George II]

27. "query"

[WeekiWater]

32. What did I just do?

Thank you.

[Hortensis]

39. Guessing the fan base would mostly dissolve soon enough

IF the "non-fan base" did. Transient enthusiasms are common as new faces appear, but they usually disappear.

Oberliner, and others, please don't inflict 2 years of this attorney on us by turning him into another populist Sanders surrogate, or whatever this is. Avanotti's handsome and articulate and seems well suited to his current career as an attorney who loves the limelight. Let's leave him to it?

[WeekiWater]

45. Fan is the right word.

Kind of like a sports figure. Ohhh how their rise and fall can be quick.

[Hortensis]

63. :) Well, being able to shrug off the inevitable choruses of

"X should be president!" every time some charismatic new person captures the fancy, or even thinking of it as funny, will ward off some lines of aggravation over the years. As you say, it is much the same as passing fads for sports and entertainment figures. In this case some want rescuing and a shiny new leader to follow who doesn't ask them to read policy positions.

[oberliner]

79. Those are good points

But if he ends up running for President then that's a different story, right?

[Hortensis]

94. He won't if his fan base moves on to someone new. He needs

help like this thread. Of course, if he does well enough to become a splinter candidate, Russia will be backing him.

[oberliner]

75. Yes

Right on both counts.

[nocoincidences]

52. Most of us have a purpose in furthering the party progress.

Lots of different ways to do it.

Others don't seem to help much at all, or even want to help.

[oberliner]

76. Agreed

Lets start by not attacking "establishment Democrats" - which is what Avenatti does regularly.

[Demsrule86]

7. Seriously another one?

[oberliner]

19. Happy to turn over the posting critically about Avenatti job to you if you'd like to take over

[LakeArenal]

9. As he says in the link:

“I think it just goes to show you that some people see me as a considerable threat and they should.”

[oberliner]

20. And many Democrats see him as not helpful

Or worse.

[LakeArenal]

38. Some of us aren't concerned.

[oberliner]

82. That's wonderful

[LakeArenal]

85. Indeed.

[WeekiWater]

10. You do know that it has been understood since the weekend that he wouldn't be there.

I figured of all people you would know that. You are kind of DU's Avenatti go-to guy.

[oberliner]

21. Yes, it was a rhetorical question

[WeekiWater]

28. I love openness. Drama was the goal.

"a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer."

[oberliner]

84. No it wasn't

"a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer."

[USALiberal]

12. This should help you....

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+did+the+Michael+Avenatti+resistance+rally+in+Texas+go

[oberliner]

22. Distancing ourselves from Avenatti would help everyone in the Democratic Party

[brush]

36. You know he's a Democrat, right? Check the DU TOS.

[oberliner]

83. So is Alan Dershowitz

You've posted negative things about him, have you not?

[brush]

95. What are you talking about? Dershowitz is a repug shill for trump.

And what the hell are you doing with two weeks before the election that will decide if we have fascism or a democracy posting crap like this that divides Democrats?

Ask yourself that.

[oberliner]

97. Alan Dershowitz identifies himself as a "Hillary Clinton liberal Democrat"

"I’m a Hillary Clinton liberal Democrat who’s trying hard to restore Congress to the Democrats, who will help finance Democratic candidates all over the country," Dershowitz told The Times. "I’m a liberal Democrat. I haven’t changed one iota in 50 years. I am not a Trump supporter. I’m a supporter of civil liberties. Calling me a Trump supporter is like calling me a communist supporter in the 1950s."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/07/07/alan-dershowitz-backing-trump-o-j-simpson-mike-tyson/765298002/

[brush]

98. Yeah, yeah...fu_k Dershowitz and his trump supporting appearances on TV

Now, what about the divisive crap you keep posting 2 weeks before the election?

You completely avoided answering that.

Why aren't you encouraging Democrats to get out and vote instead?

[oberliner]

100. I thought you were saying it was a violation of the DU TOS to criticize Democrats

Yet you just cursed out a self-avowed Democrat that you don't like.

And what about Gillibrand? She's definitely a Democrat - and you've been critical of her, haven't you?

[brush]

101. If you think Dershowitz is a Democrat I feel for you.

As for Gillebrand, what she did to Franken makes criticism of her fair game.

As for you, WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO POST DIVISIVE STUFF TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION?

WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER THAT?

[LanternWaste]

107. Any chance you'll point towards Avenatti as a potential culprit

Any chance you'll point towards Avenatti as a potential culprit in regards to the mail bombs this morning? Or is that one a bridge too far?

[Polybius]

88. Serious quest from a (sorta) newbie on the TOS

I have read the rules, and they say "Don't bash Democratic public figures." Is Avenatti considered a public figure? I interpreted "public figures" as those who have secured the Democratic nomination in an election. Since he hasn't run for anything yet, does he qualify as a public figure?

[brush]

99. Of course he's a public figure, otherwise one particular poster wouldn't...

continually post negative OPs about him.

[WeekiWater]

29. It won't. N/T

[oberliner]

14. What does that mean?

[blue cat]

30. Wait

What happened to not bashing Democrats?

[George II]

31. I don't have a problem with Avenatti. He's doing more good than harm, MUCH more.

Maybe he was going to hold the rally if trump held his rally at the "biggest stadium" in Texas?

[fallout87]

53. Yeah, he did especially well in the Kavanaugh hearings...

Democrat strategists point to him as the reason it was easy for the deplorable to discredit Dr. Ford. But by all means, you all can keep him as a hero.
Not me.

[brush]

103. What Democratic strategists? You believe that?

The repugs were going to railroad that attempted rapist through no matter what.

trump severely restricted the FBI in questioning witnesses—as in hardly anyone. They didn't even question Dr. Ford for God's sake.

Anyone who believes Avenatti was the cause of that, well, I feel for them as the naivete is thick.

[pandr32]

54. +1000

It's time to stop attacking democrats who are actively fighting to expose Republican lies, corruption, and the horrors of their inhumanity.

[WeekiWater]

33. This?

Link to tweet

[WeekiWater]

34. This?

Link to tweet

[WeekiWater]

35. This?

Link to tweet

[oberliner]

43. He only likes certain Democrats

If any Democrat is critical of him, he will call them "establishment Democrats" or "schlocky" or "weak" or something along those lines.

Very similar to Trump in that regard - he only likes politicians who speak favorably about him.

[WeekiWater]

46. Sounds like a Democrat. Sounds like you.

Is he a Democrat? Yes. Do you like him? No.

[pandr32]

55. Exactly

[oberliner]

80. He's not running for office

If he is running for office against a Republican in a general election, I will not say an unkind word about him.

As of now, he's as open to being criticized as other Democrats who aren't helpful, like Alan Dershowitz.

[onetexan]

86. Dershowutz is a wolf in sheep's clothing

Lets not equate him with Avenatti

[Gothmog]

37. The baby trump blimp was there

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211307872

[oberliner]

41. Cute

[nocoincidences]

58. They should give it more flopsweat to make it realistic.

[Gothmog]

61. Speaking of flopsweat

Link to tweet

[pbmus]

60. Here...

As the Trump campaign announced that more than 100,000 requests were made for tickets for the event Monday, Avenatti told Geoff Bennett of NBC News that a scheduling conflict prevented him from holding a counter-rally.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michael-avenatti-backs-off-texas-resistance-rally-on-same-day-as-trumps

[oberliner]

62. That's pretty lame

[pbmus]

64. My back channel is saying there were threats from white nationalist groups..

And Avenatti did not want to have anyone hurt...

[oberliner]

70. White nationalist groups threaten most progressive rallies

They even sometimes threaten ordinary people who just want to go about their lives.

[tavernier]

73. I prefer to bash the party that is hurting me most.

Rick Scott has trashed my state. Trump and cohorts are are working hard to destroy my social security which I am damn well entitled to because it is MY savings over 55 years. The republican fat cat got-miners are making certain that our planet isn’t fit for our children and future generations.

But It’s Avenatti who requires your snark?

Ok.

[Pachamama]

105. [phone]

Well said.....

[ProfessorGAC]

104. We Get It

You're smarter and more aware than everyone else here.

Or not.