We need to stop using the nice words. It is NAZISM, "Nationalist" is just normalizing it.

[sunonmars]

Trump is a Nazi, we've always known it deep down, we didn't want it to be true, but here we are, we are at the last stop on the end of the line, ding ding everybody off, nastyland central.

We have a Nazi in the WH and that means everything that comes with it, he confirmed it himself, he's not even hiding it anymore.

We need to completely stop using the nice word they want to use for it, "Nationalist" is being used and they trying to align it with patriotism and wrapping it up in a nice neat flag with a bow. They are using the 1930's playbook and its working folks. They are trying to make nazism acceptable, ameniable, pleasant to hear, pleasant to see, desensitized so we just accept their plans for us. Not me, I'm calling it what it is.

This is not patriotism, this is not nationalism......it is NAZISM.

We are seeing the goons aka his "proud boys" out on the streets, call them what they are, they are the KKK without the hoods, they are no better than the gangs on the streets, call it what it is....neonazi gangs working for the goons in the WH. This is orchestrated, it isn't impromptu, its planned to sow disorder and create fear,these goons will be elevated into legal positions next and then we are all screwed.

They are using propaganda just like Goebbels did, call it what it is PROPAGANDA, they call everything fake, the bigger the lie, the more its repeated, the more they make it true and our politicians need to grab it by the balls and call it out. Call him a liar in the media, call his lies out, do not bend on this. Do not use nice words for this. We need to fight fire with fire and we need a bloody big fire.

The only way to fight this is to show them exactly what they are, hang it round their necks like a placard, make them ashamed, put the light on the pile of cockroaches but most of all the nazi cancer has to be cut out, leave nothing of it left, all of it has to go.

These neonazis have all united around the world to create this shit, they are working in unison to get their goal. Trump is using it to gain his oligarchal rule and he will then turn on the ones who put him there,remove all possible opposition, what do you think Putin did, Erdogan did, Aliyev, the way Saudi works? All under the dictator rule book of fear.

I have worked in the middle east for years, I was in Turkey when Erdogan took over the country by changing the rules bit by bit, by stealth until one day everyone woke up and were under a dictator, people became desensitized, apathetic, let it roll on by and the one thing that really annoyed me was their Dem equivalent basically said "but what can we do". They were so worn down, they just accepted it. They took over bit by bit, they took over the local areas, they expanded outwards, nobody could do business unless they were part of the AKP, if you opposed, you got nothing, no help, you were cast out, your social standing was pariahed. Trump is doing exactly the same, he is one and the same as Erdogan. A thief mascarading as a saviour. Once they have that sort of control over lives, money, livelihood, social standing,business, watch the sheep fall in line. It becomes normal. Do not accept it, challenge every damn thing.

Our Dem politicians need to be lethal now, use the same sort of fire they are using until we do the job.

If we fail, if we fail to stop this tide folks then we will lose and the consequences will be staggering.

Drag whoever you have to, to the polls, tell them, this is the last stop, if you fail to vote, you may never get another chance, tell them, yes, it really will be those apocalyptic shows and films they watch, ask them, do you want to live like that, do you want they way they live now to end, do they want to live fullstop, scare the living shit out of them, make them scared not to vote?

Tell them, "THEN YOU BETTER GET INVOLVED AND VOTE OR ITS OVER"

I have never been one for hyperbole and fear of the future but right now I fear there will not a do over if we lose this one.

Tell me I'm wrong, tell me I'm nuts but don't tell me to fear what Nov 6th will bring. Its going to be a day of reckoning and a big one at that.

[calimary]

1. Yes. Let's be clear, ruthless, and call it what it freakin' IS.

[DemocracyMouse]

20. Stop saying "Neo" anything! It waters down the message.

It's disgusting Nazis. It terrorism. Arrest them all. Keep the upper hand or our fingers will be removed next.

[calimary]

30. Definitely!!! No more of this "neoliberal" crap.

Nobody even knows what that is. Any more than most understand what “nationalist” actually signifies here.

[DemocracyMouse]

37. Roger all that!!!! :-)

[guillaumeb]

2. Nazi is an English acronym/abbreviation for NSDAP.

And that is the abbreviation for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or national socialist German workers party.

And yes, Trump is a Nazi/nationalist.

[sunonmars]

3. Nazi its the word, history and people understand, its the word they dont want labelled on them

Hence the nice shiny "nationalist" word whic makes it sound oh so nice.

[guillaumeb]

5. Agreed.

And even the term nationalist is misleading because the GOP is a white nationalist party.

[DFW]

13. I have posted this elsewhere, but again for clarification:

The National Socialist German Workers Party was initially known by the German abbreviation "NSDAP," but was later just referred to by a shortened version of the word "national."

"National" in German is pronounced "Nah-tsee-oh-NAHL." They just used the first two syllables for short (yes, really!). Since "national" is a word borrowed from French, they left the spelling the same, but with the abbreviation, they used a German spelling, and in German (as in Italian), the "ts" sound is spelled with a "z."


A "nationalist" is "Ein Nationalist" in German. "Nah-tsee-oh-nahl-IST" in German.

It is not an English abbreviation. It is a German abbreviation.

[guillaumeb]

29. It was also an English slang term.

[geardaddy]

15. Actually it's a German abbreviation

for Nationalsozialist

[FreepFryer]

4. Yup. unapologetically using "Nazi" since the first Trump-era Holocaust Remembrance Day.

But yup, Trump's recent fucknuttery means it should be the norm going forward.

In their cruelty, they reveal themselves.

[sunonmars]

6. Yup, we are not letting themselves PR this shit and make it all nicey shiny thing.

[Cicada]

7. Save us Trump! The darkies are coming! Save us!

Trump used that in 2016, again this year, it will be the same in 2020. Scare them about the darkie hordes coming, tell them only Trump can save them.

[dwayneb]

8. How are Americans smarter/different that the Turks who are now under Erdogan's thumb?

I don't disagree with a thing that you stated in your post. The problem is that human beings in general are short sighted and ignorant of history. If they think at all, they think that "it can't happen here" - after all this is America; we are special. In the last few decades, Americans have retreated into a fantasy world of electronic toys and vapid entertainment, providing a perfect opportunity for neo-fascists like Trump to fill the void.

People with critical thinking skills like yourself are a vanishing breed here in the USA. Your argument is well stated and incontrovertible, but who will be reading it? Or understanding it? There are only a few of us here on the ramparts guarding what is left of the American dream. It is disappearing fast, my friend. Enjoy the ride while it lasts because dark days are ahead.

[sunonmars]

10. You hit the nail on the head, people are sheep, they are not thinking.

I've seen this movie before and it feels like a rerun.

[magicarpet]

9. Hitler's Nazi Party

Initially started:

English:
German Workers' Party


German:
Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

Hitler co-opted the above because it was a popular party among the youth and blue collar workers.

_________

Hitler then climbed through the ranks of this popular political party that was an attraction for youth. Then the party was slowly transformed to vehement anti communists, anti Jewish, anti Slavic, anti Gypsy, anti homosexual, - pro Fascist Capitalists, pro Christian, rabid pro German Nationalist, pro Aryan, pro eugenics.

But oddly retained it's National Socialist part of it's name. Likely to retain a wider popular appeal and not seem such an extremist organization.

English:
National Socialist German Workers' Party

German:
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

NAZI Party

[struggle4progress]

11. We don't need to think about what to call it: we just need to defeat it

[wasupaloopa]

12. No you should use correct words. Nazis were members of a political group in Germany

during WWII.

[smirkymonkey]

14. I don't think you are over-reacting at all.

I think your alarm is completely appropriate in this situation. I feel like I am standing here watching a very slow-motion, massive train wreck, where I know what is going to happen but I am powerless to stop it because there is already so much momentum behind the disaster.

I hope I am wrong, but I am hoping for a miracle anyway.

[appalachiablue]

39. Same here and scary as hell. Stay strong and resist is the way.

[appalachiablue]

40. NYT Video, 'If You're NOT Scared About Fascism in the US, You Should Be'

NYT Opinion, Oct. 16, 2018 by Jason Stanley. Professor of Philosophy at Yale University, Stanley has spent the better part of a decade studying fascism and fascist propaganda. He is also the son of Holocaust survivors. His short video produced for the NYT delivers a simple, direct and powerful warning about what this country is undergoing under Donald Trump.

>Video: "You might think I'm trying to frighten you by making these parallels. And do you know what? I am. My parents survived the Holocaust. And my grandmother, in her memoir, wrote about how Jews in Germany didn't see the Nazi threat until it was too late. "In 1937, we were still able to leave the country," she wrote. "We could still live in our homes. We could still worship in our temples. We were in a ghetto. But the majority of our people were still alive."

"I want you to be scared, because if you're not worried about encroaching fascism in America, before long, it will start to feel normal. And when that happens, we're all in trouble."

More, https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/16/1804749/--If-You-re-Not-Scared-About-Fascism-in-the-U-S-You-Should-Be-NYT-Video?utm_campaign=trending
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/opinion/fascists-leaders-america-trump.html

[elmac]

16. we need to stop using such strong words against republicans, take the higher road

NOT! give them fascist Nazi bustards hell.

[elmac]

17. Trumps first wife said he kept a copy of all of hitlers speeches by his bedside

and read them before he went to sleep. I believe her!

[sunonmars]

18. I suspect thats how he ran his business life and learned how to bullshit everyone.

[elmac]

19. i agree nt

[Qutzupalotl]

35. Probably why he capitalizes so many words.

Nouns are capitalized in German, IIRC.

[kozar]

21. agreed

I have talked,bitched,, and told Mrs. Koz this same thing, but haven't posted because I didn't know how to word it. You did perfectly. Im so,so,so, and even, so tired of "our" side being comfortable with the R talking points and key words. Entitlements is common now, even though they are far from. Even the Dem Senators on Judicial Committee used the word "investigation" when it was far from it. I could go on and on, but I know Im preaching to the choir.
I just wish we would find a way to refuse to make their "key words" become mainstream, we do it over and over again.

Way past time to call a lie, a lie, not an alternate truth!

Koz

[byronius]

22. I've been using this since day one, and it is increasingly accurate.

'Russian Nazi' is the full version. Hitler wasn't a foreign-controlled agent -- it was a homegrown Bavarian that turned Berlin to rubble. The distinction needs to be made.

[raccoon]

45. Hitler was Austrian. Nt

[byronius]

50. You're right -- he was referred to by General Staff as 'the mad Bavarian corporal' and

it stuck in my mind.

[catbyte]

23. Yep.

[IMG][/IMG]

[hibbing]

24. "far right", "white nationalist"...on and on n/t

[grantcart]

25. I object to the comparison

By elevating this evil to that ultimate evil you don't clarify this evil but you do undermine the horror of the holocaust and the second WW.

Racist check
Reactionary check
Oppressive check
Anti Constitutional check
Vulgarian check
Mysoginist check
Bigot check

Fascist almost. As long as he hasn't overturned a legal election by use of military force, not quite. He is very reminiscent of Mussolini.

Nazi, not even close. When they start building ovens and assembling a mass execution industry then you can call them Nazis, but using it now disrespects the millions of victims that the Nazis persecuted.

[sunonmars]

26. I don't, I'm not waiting for them to get the chance. That was the problem back then, no one said it.

The problem is no one ever thinks its going to happen until its to late and then off the camps for you.......how many people could have been saved had the denial and the "it'll never happen" had been realised.

Thats the problem with your thinking, its always too damn late to do anything about.

Screw the objection to the comparison, if you cannot see the wheels in motion, i suggest you take the blinkers off.

[grantcart]

31. that's as childish as you can get

I am happy to put up my life of action up to yours any day of the week.

I was active against the war in Vietnam and then I spent 10 years in refugee camps and was one of the first persons to enter Vietnam after the war to establish legal migration and family reunification. I have physically confronted real NAZIs many times and the Israeli Embassy knows who I am (or used to when I was on the front line).

1) Equating every evil to NAZI undermines the reality of the Holocaust. It is offensive to survivors of the Holocaust. By creating a false equivalency you lessen the horror of the greatest single evil act in the history of the world. That false equivalency, ironically, actually feeds into neo NAZI propaganda because if Donald Trump is the same as NAZISM and he hasn't organized mass executions then it follows logically that Hitler didn't do it either.

2) Your OP is in fact doing absolutely nothing. It may make you feel better but that just falls into political self gratification. Typing really hard on keyboard and using the F bomb and calling people Nazis does exactly nothing. You can, like I have been doing, put every hour into canvassing. You can join the Peace Corp. You can be a teacher in an intercity school. There are lots of things people can do that make an actual difference but getting angry on a discussion board is not doing anything for anybody but yourself, its a form of therapy.

You are the person who types something and thinks its action. You are the person with the blinkers on. I am the guy who from 1978 to 1986 was chief of operations of refugee resettlement in South East Asia and moved 700,000 people out of camps.

I have physically confronted NAZIs. During the time I was in the UN working on refugee affairs I worked closely many Holocaust survivors who worked in the camps that they were liberated from and stayed in refugee work. We would have conversations about people who throw the word NAZI around and they are very bitter about people stealing their suffering in the same ways that some people steal valour from servicemen.

Two months ago I was travelling in Casa Grande, AZ and the only restaurant near my hotel was a Golden Corral, went into it for breakfast. The person I was sitting next to was talking to the waitress and had an obvious German accent and I asked him how long he had been in the US and he said 20 years which surprised me because his accent was still strong.

He said that he was from Frankfurt and I said "Well Frankfurt was likely to get a big boon because of Brexit". He didn't know what Brexit was and I realized that he was a near zero information guy and it would be pointless to talk with. He talked about how he used to own 3 Mercedes Benz but how Germany was ruined by the Syrians. I asked him what he thought about Steve Jobs? Great man. Where was his father from? Syria. Jerry Seinfeld's mother? from Syria. Mitch Daniels, President of Perdue University? both parents from Syria. I was very surprised by his attitude because all of the Germans I have met of the post WWII generation have been very progressive and open minded.

I moved away and turned to read my phone. After a bit he said "Do you know who my favorite politician is?"

"No" I said and watched in horror as he raised his hand in a Nazi salute and put a finger over his moustache. "Are you joking?". He said "No, Hitler was a great man".

In a booming voice that filled the restaurant I said "No he was a mass murderer".

Now everyone in the restaurant was looking at me and I said, "Don't look at me he is praising Hitler" and they turned to look at him and he was smiling as he said "Hitler was great for unemployment"

I stood over him and in a strong voice that filled the entire restaurant said "well you should understand in the United States of America having jobs to build ovens to kill children is not the kind of employment we think is helpful" and the people turned at him in astonishment. Now this was not the first time that I have physically confronted Nazis, I personally led a campaign to close a Nazi Bar in Bangkok, but this was the first time that I was at that point where I could lose control.

In most of these cases you don't say the right thing but this time I did. As I was standing over him and watching him grin and smile I looked down his steak knife was closer to me than it was to him. I could easily get to the knife first and as I was at a point of total rage I paused for a brief cost/benefit analysis of an extreme action. Would a story of somebody losing their life for giving a NAZI salute in a Golden Corral help drive some of these vermin back underground? Obviously these NAZIs have been here all along but think that they have license because of Trump and have surfaced.

While I was at that point of going all in and "taking one for the team" I was inspired by instead moving very close to him and in a very soft whisper said, "and exactly when did you convince yourself that I am not a JEW?".

I have never seen someone become so overcome with fear in my life. I could see him wondering if I was going to dispatch him now or possibly follow him and identify his home. He had turned a very pale white and got up from around the table and ran out of the restaurant. When I see someone who is an actual NAZI I don't sit back I confront them in public, and I have done it more than once.

I have many friends that are children of holocaust survivors and I have one friend who is one of the last children born in a concentration camp (miraculously he was born a few days after liberation when they were still in the camp). We talk about how people throw the word "NAZI" and "Holocaust" around and cheapen it. You know what they do when they see people make comparisons between Hitler and Trump or the Republican Party and the NAZI Party?

They laugh.

[sheshe2]

34. +1000

Thank you, grantcart.

[mopinko]

36. i dont think he is smart enough to build the camps, thankfully.

you are right. he is an american horror story, and i worry about what can happen here.
but we arent there yet, and i dont think we will get there.

i just dread the day he tries to interfere w or overturn an election.

[renate]

28. I R'ed the post because I think the blindness due to "it can't happen here" is happening

But I think you're right. Trump probably doesn't actively want to exterminate anybody, he just wouldn't care what happens to them as long as they're brown, especially if they're poor. But I agree, we aren't in Nazi Germany yet and probably won't ever be, although the family separations come terrifyingly close.

I do agree that he is all the things you said, and that it is happening in plain sight is just so unbelievable in the United States of America that I think the point in the OP is critically important. It's unbelievable and yet it is coming true.

[treestar]

49. His followers though

could be willing. Some of them seem willing to have "illegal aliens" shot. The Orange Ass is talking about sending the military.

Their hatred of liberals is such that they may be willing to have liberals killed. Doubtful they will ever get the power - but could they? And that soft middle that doesn't vote just go along, feeling threatened?

That's why they should be stopped now, before they get more power.

[mahina]

32. +1

[Cha]

33. You're right, grant.. but trump's Assaults on the Free Press..

are dangerously reminiscent of these historical monsters..

Trump’s War on the Press Follows the Mussolini and Hitler Playbook

Never forget: Mussolini and Hitler made their first target the press. After a year of ‘alternative facts’ you can see why.

The abasement of language by Donald Trump and his assorted flacks began long before, but this concept was so naked, so novel and so unblinkingly forthright that it established the rules for the assault to come, just as the first salvo of an artillery barrage signals the creation of a new battlefield where there will be many casualties.

snip//

Trump has spent two years vilifying the “dishonest” media (including The Daily Beast), even invoking the Nazi chant of “enemies of the people.” Aided by the alt right zealots at Breitbart, he has successfully persuaded millions of Americans that The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, and MSNBC are seditious forces bent on denigrating and destroying the man they elected.

More..
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-war-on-the-press-follows-the-mussolini-and-hitler-playbook

[Raine]

43. TOTALLY agree

it minimizes the evilness of Nazism and 6 million murdered to put that label on what is not Nazism.

[Eyeball_Kid]

27. A breath of fresh air. Thanks to the original poster. n/t

[keithbvadu2]

38. Trump "emboldened" the Nazis

Trump "emboldened" the Nazis

America fought a war against the Nazis and supposedly won.

Yet here they are marching to "take back America".

" Michael Von Kotch, a Pennsylvania resident who called himself a Nazi, said the rally made him "proud to be white."

He said that he's long held white supremacist views and that Trump's election has "emboldened" him and the members of his own Nazi group. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.b54a0162fe07

[triron]

41. Nazism or fascism is a no no word for MSM applied to the Trump adm.

[triron]

42. Perhaps not Nazism but definitely fascism.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

[SidDithers]

46. Buh bye...nt

Sid

[Stuart G]

47. Thank You for posting this...k and r nt

[ck4829]

48. K&R