What does Trump think the military will do

[MineralMan]

to stop this caravan of migrants? Shoot them? Napalm them? Bomb them? Those are the things the military does. That's what it's trained to do. Are you sure sending the military to the border is a good idea?

Dumbass!

[Ohiogal]

1. Mineral Man,

From reading some of the ugly posts in my local paper (no doubt from Deplorables who have too much time on their hands) .... there's no doubt in my mind that they would altogether support armed snipers who are ordered to shoot to kill anyone who tries to cross the border. Men, women, children .....

And they are the same ones who say abortion is murder.

[MineralMan]

2. I don't doubt that one bit.

Many of them would probably volunteer to show up with their own firearms to do the job.

It's a lot of murderous assholes out there.

[TreasonousBastard]

3. He does not know. He does not care. It got him a few cheers at a rally...

and that's all he wants or needs.

[MineralMan]

4. Trouble is that he'll probably send the military there

anyhow. And that's a plan for disaster. What a cluster****!

[TreasonousBastard]

6. Maybe posse comitatus forbids it, maybe he'd argue a foreign invasion...

Foreign invasion my rosy red ass, but he might try. It would be interesting if the Pentagon refused to follow what they deemed an illegal order.

Of such things are great novels written. And movies made.

Of course if Congress had half the balls of a field mouse, they would have put a stop to this nonsense already.

[TomSlick]

17. If I were still an Army JAG

and if I was advising a commander, I would advise that any action to enforce immigration law using military assets- no matter what the President called it would violate the Posse Comitatus Act. I would then advise that violation of the PCA is a criminal offense and that obedience to orders (a/k/a the Nuemberg Defense) is not effective. Finally, I would advise that there is no guarantee that the next commander-in-chief would not support a court-martial prosecution.

[Wellstone ruled]

20. Bingo.

[TreasonousBastard]

21. Sounds about right-- violations of immigration law is not an invasion requiring...

a military response.

Not the same thing, I know, but I can't help thinking of Seven Days in May

[yurbud]

22. Good point though we did have a commander in chief after a blatant war criminal

who refused to prosecute (apart from whistleblowers).

[uponit7771]

24. +1

[saidsimplesimon]

5. "Great Expectations"

was not a fun read. I'm sure that our dear leader never opened the book.

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" Mr. Mueller, I'm counting on you.

[YessirAtsaFact]

7. OrangeTurd isn't serious about sending the military

He’s just blowing smoke up the collective ass of his adoring fans.

[yurbud]

8. the military are not robots. If he gives an illegal or even obviously immoral command

they will not follow it.

And he will have accidentally started a revolution.

[TomSlick]

18. I am reasonably confident the military would not obey such an order.

See my response 17 above.

[uponit7771]

23. +1, those who carry it out can be prosecuted if it's obviously immoral

[atreides1]

28. Are you willing to put that to the test?

The President, is commander-in-chief of the military, and it has been argued that the President can take it upon himself to declare martial law. In these times, Congress may decide not to act, effectively accepting martial law by failing to stop it!!!


He has the Congress, he has the courts, he's commander-in-chief of the military...he just might declare martial law!

[spanone]

9. He has no idea.

[Wellstone ruled]

10. Seems to me,

there is or are Treaties in Place that would be violated if armed Military are sent under direct orders form the Clown in Chief.

[TomSlick]

19. See my response 17 above.

[atreides1]

29. Your response is sensible!

The President, however, is commander-in-chief of the military, and it has been argued that the President can take it upon himself to declare martial law. In these times, Congress may decide not to act, effectively accepting martial law by failing to stop it.

If he declares martial law, then the military will be able to follow his orders without fear of future punishment or legal ramifications!

I'm a veteran, but if the military receives the order to use deadly force against an unarmed group of people, I believe they will follow those orders...and they will fire on unarmed civilians!!!

I'm afraid I don't have any faith, that the US military will do the right thing...remember, the German army followed their orders!!!

[TomSlick]

31. Have faith.

I spent twenty-eight years as an Army JAG. All service JAGs are perfectly aware of the Posse Comitatus Act.

All military officers are taught throughout their career - in the clearest way - that they have a duty to disobey illegal orders and that obedience to orders is not a defense. Remember the Nuremberg defendants were hanged - by US Army hangmen.

[LanternWaste]

11. He's simply throwing out chum to his half-wit base.

He cannot do anything and will not do anything, regardless of whether it's a good idea or not.

Customs and immigration are an aspect of law enforcement, and other than administrative and surveillance roles, the military simply cannot detain migrants, regardless of what Trump says or what you may believe.

[pwb]

12. Playing to his ignorant base.

They don't know that he can't do it.

[GulfCoast66]

13. This is all for his racist base.

The caravan will not arrive until a month after the election. You will hear nothing about them after that. Certainly when they turn themselves in at the border, claim refugee status and are processed in pending a hearing.

[BeckyDem]

14. His objective is to project as a leader protecting against a perceived threat. He is a disgusting

human being. He may not do anything but it is wrong to think he can control everything. Violence is always possible.

[hughee99]

15. Can you even imagine a president sending the military into a situation in which they're not expected

to shoot, Napalm or bomb other people?

Sending US troops to guard a perimeter or prevent violence among a large group of people would be like asking them to help guard a DMZ in South Korea or be peacekeepers in Kosovo.

[customerserviceguy]

16. I remember Kent State

If the military and the migrants clash, anything is possible.

[hughee99]

25. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but sending the military to secure a border isn't exactly

new ground for them, either. It's not like using a chainsaw to perform surgery.

[bdamomma]

26. If that

POS orders the military to stop these innocent people there will be bloodshed, or more people will be put in detention camps.

[guillaumeb]

27. Trump hopes that the military will provide a diversion.

And there are estimates that the caravan, being over 1,000 miles away, might not arrive in time to provide a suitable photo op.

[atreides1]

30. He thinks they will follow orders

And he's probably correct! I believe that Trump will allow the use of deadly force, but he'll make sure that it's the commanders on the ground who will issue those orders...and they will!

I'm a veteran, but I don't believe that the US military will do the right thing...they'll fall back on that old excuse, "we were just following orders"!!!

[oberliner]

32. Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexican border (2010)

President Barack Obama will send 1,200 National Guard troops to boost security along the U.S.-Mexico border, officials said Tuesday, pre-empting Republican plans to try to force votes on such a deployment.

Obama will also request $500 million for border protection and law enforcement activities, according to lawmakers and administration officials. The moves come as chances for action on comprehensive immigration reform, Obama's long-stated goal, look increasingly small in this election year. But Obama is under pressure to do something with the issue front and center after Arizona's passage of a tough crackdown law.

The National Guard troops will work on intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance support, analysis and training, and support efforts to block drug trafficking. They will temporarily supplement Border Patrol agents until Customs and Border Protection can recruit and train additional officers and agents to serve on the border, an administration official said.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-obama-to-send-1200-troops-2010may25-story.html

[uppityperson]

33. Trump is no Obama.

[no_hypocrisy]

34. I keep returning to how Kent State spiraled out of control and there were a lot less

students who challenged the Ohio National Guard.