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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAbout Trump's arrogant attitude and language. I believe this: Mueller will get him.
... It may take more time than we wish. It may be different than we wish. I have said it before and I will say it again. "Mueller will get him" When? When it is a totally solid case. Why? Because Trump's crowd thinks it is above the law, and they have broken the law. Who is smarter, Trump or Mueller?
... Now Mueller has gotten other crooks and other gangs. Especially upsetting is Trump's belief that he can say and do whatever he wants and whenever he wants. That goes for his gang too.
...I watched Nixon go down. We are watching Trump go down. Yes, it will take time. The arrogance and above the law attitude is ultimately what gets Trump. It is exactly what got Nixon.
...The New York information that is coming out shows how arrogant Trump and his crew are. Trump's crew thinks it can get away with anything. And say anything. That is exactly what Nixon thought. ("I am not a crook", remember that one?.)
It took time with Nixon, and it will take time with Trump. Be patient In the end, Mueller will get him.
democrank
(11,094 posts)Trump must go.
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)We thought that was it. It wasn't. Not to get into a very long story, but Nixon thought he could do and say anything. His crowd thought the same thing. Some of Nixon's crowd started going down long before Nixon did. So that is similar. A number of Trump's crowd has already gone down including his lawyer.
..But the arrogance and above the law attitude of both is what gets me. Nixon had gotten away with a lot, and returned. So has Trump. Nixon was so sure that he would not go down, that he fired the special prosecutor It didn't matter, Nixon went down because there was strong evidence he broke the law. Trump will go down for the same reason. When? What evidence? I don't know.
..But that arrogance and certain attitude that he can get away with anything..It is what investigators often look for. Why? Because with that attitude, the culprit makes mistakes that are against the law. When? Some time.. Who will get Trump? Mueller. Mueller has seen this before, and he will get Trump.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)take control of the house and if we do I hope he lowers the boom fast.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)no pardons...no nothing!
Squinch
(50,949 posts)And Mueller put Gotti away.
He'll get the unindicted co-conspirator, and he'll put him away.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Sammy "The Bull" Gravano fell out of favor with Gotti. He wanted to be respected so he figured if he turned on Gotti, he'd get something out of it. He did. Prison. But not for long enough. Gravano was a stone cold psychopath.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Stuart G
(38,421 posts)Kind of a challenge to find how those people broke the law...Why? because those people think that they are..
...above the law and I have noticed..no one is above the law..
Nixon
House majority leader who abused teenagers.... John Dennis Hastert
An ex Illinois governor currently in jail..Rod Blagojevich
you can name more...
etc.
etc.
etc.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)is dealing with a mafia king hopefully he will get tRump, wish he would get Putin too.
We have a sick SOB squatting in the WH and he is hellbent to take us all down with him. Think again.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Basically ever since he had his Air Force One meeting with Rosenstein.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)had the good sense to resign, after Goldwater told him the Senate was about to go public with a vote of "no confidence." trmp will never do that. His ego won't tolerate that kind of self-awareness.
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)There are so many possibilities. Yes, it does look that his ego won't tolerate that kind of thinking. But who knows what he will be thinking if Mueller gets him into a corner. (no, I don't know what that is)..Future is impossible to predict. Hell, I never thought Trump would become President..
Poiuyt
(18,123 posts)He might promise to pardon him though.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)I bet the only person he may (50% chance) try to save from jail is his princess/wife Ivanka.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)as best he can, but I don't think he'd have to choose with Melania. He's a coward and timid in face-to-face confrontations. Our leaders in congress, whoever they'll be when this comes to a head, have to know that. So I really sort of expect a bipartisan delegation will come for his resignation.
There is the outside chance, no longer completely unbelievable, that the Republican Party will try to seize control of our government to avoid going down, however. Trump could still be prosecuted for breaking state laws, Republicans in congress are already deep into corrupting and betraying the democracy they swore to uphold, and it may be that several members of congress, at least, are desperate to avoid investigation themselves.
Won't happen, but I'm often wishing these days that we still lived in a blue state. Just to feel safer.
ooky
(8,922 posts)cowardly ass out of prison.
elocs
(22,571 posts)If Trump leaves the presidency it will only be kicking and screaming and fomenting as much chaos and
disruption as possible, even if he has lost the election, especially when he has lost the eletion.
Trump will claim it was all a conspiracy to rob him of the presidency. Those 2 months after Trump loses the election and before the Democrat takes office will be dangerous. Clearly there are many thousands of adoring Trump followers (politicians have supporters, cult leaders have followers) who are clearly capable of violence.
But all of this could still happen even if Trump resigns, which I don't really see happening regardless of what Mueller does. And we have such sky-high expectations of what Mueller will acomplish that it borders on unrealistic. Just because we really, really want something to happen does not mean it will.
Power does not surrender casually.
onetexan
(13,041 posts)Its the Civil war all over again, this time not divided by north & south boundaries but by ideology.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)There's a delicate subtext here that's never been explored in American jurisprudence. Trump has used the discovery period to leverage his political resistance via propaganda and outright mendacity. He has thoroughly divided the people and taught his minions not to believe the truths of the Other Side. He is diabolical and ruthless. And unlike Gotti, he's got 50 million people primed to do his bidding.
Mr. Mueller, whatever countervailing force you can muster, we beseech you, bring this tyrant and his sycophants to justice. That may be Day One of a new battle to wrest back our nation from the clutches of neo-fascism.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,423 posts)save America from FASCISM.
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)...will grab Trump by the scruff of the neck sooner or later. Let us hope it is sooner.
The thing about Trump is that he has been in and out of legal trouble for years (another reason why he should never have been taken seriously as a candidate). As it is, there's already a lot of dirt on him, but it's likely there are foul things yet to be revealed.
onetexan
(13,041 posts)It will continue to be bloody, both physically & emotionally. We can only hope it will be over sooner rather than later.