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Saw this man on cable earlier today. What is the deal with Martin O'Malley? Could he be (Original Post) allgood33 Oct 2018 OP
Maybe VP or cabinet pick. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #1
He IS impressive, has been working for Dems around the country for a long time. elleng Oct 2018 #2
Umm. 2016. Ring a bell? Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #3
I think he just wasn't ready for prime time PatSeg Oct 2018 #5
He got crushed very quickly by the Clinton and Bernie trains. He never stood a chance in 2016. jpljr77 Nov 2018 #25
I Remember Him RobinA Nov 2018 #31
Competent and forgettable greymattermom Oct 2018 #4
Competent and bland sounds pretty good right about now... PAMod Oct 2018 #17
Calm and competent sounds pretty good to me vlyons Nov 2018 #27
Not forgettable, IMO. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #29
O'Malley's March. kwassa Nov 2018 #34
Maybe o''Mally and Beto can start a band to get the word ou world wide wally Oct 2018 #6
Did you miss his whole 2016 Democratic presidential primary campaign? n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2018 #7
He, Bernie, and Hillary debated each other Ohiogal Oct 2018 #8
He completely mishandled a lot of parole issues Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2018 #9
heard him on msnbc a few days ago. i was not impressed. drray23 Oct 2018 #10
I think you might benefit from re-reading Secretary Clinton's complete remarks... better Nov 2018 #28
I did not say I would not support him. drray23 Nov 2018 #37
Well I am glad to know that you would support him were he the candidate. better Nov 2018 #38
Thanks for posting this. So many people (on both sides) and especially the media misquote allgood33 Nov 2018 #51
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #52
I like the man and his plans are very good, well thought out and follow thru. Wintryjade Oct 2018 #11
I liked his record when he ran in 2016 dsc Oct 2018 #12
We Are a Nation of Nations. elleng Oct 2018 #13
Apparently he's the ideal candidate for me.... Delarage Oct 2018 #14
Glad you noticed he wasn't given much time at the debates. elleng Nov 2018 #20
I backed him in 2016 TheFarseer Oct 2018 #15
Maybe he'd do better if Dem party didn't succumb to favoring others, elleng Nov 2018 #21
Totally agree TheFarseer Nov 2018 #24
TOTALLY agree nt Raine Nov 2018 #47
Hey Raine! elleng Nov 2018 #49
Hi! Raine Nov 2018 #50
He was my first choice in 2016 DavidDvorkin Oct 2018 #16
Glad to see it, David. elleng Nov 2018 #22
I liked him too Raine Nov 2018 #48
He's popular enough to have his own group here on DU: Rhiannon12866 Nov 2018 #18
I think at some point he may take Cardin's Senate seat. Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #19
His strength is in administration, imo. elleng Nov 2018 #23
I have had my eye on him for a while, and so should we all vlyons Nov 2018 #26
He was my first choice in 2016. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #30
My first choice as well Merlot Nov 2018 #32
I think part of his perceived lack in the debate was, in fact, elleng Nov 2018 #33
No, it wasn't that. Clinton and Sanders both have much more experience Merlot Nov 2018 #36
So your profile says you live in MD Andy823 Nov 2018 #35
Thanks for noticing, Andy823. elleng Nov 2018 #39
Hmmm Cha Nov 2018 #40
He needs a lot of seasoning. LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #41
This means WHAT? elleng Nov 2018 #45
He was a decent Governor AnnieBW Nov 2018 #42
He was a good governor, re-elected, elleng Nov 2018 #44
Ham and Cheese! Ham and Cheese! FSogol Nov 2018 #43
HEY, FS! elleng Nov 2018 #46
Hi! Having a nice Autumn? n/t FSogol Nov 2018 #54
vanilla lowfat frozen yogurt SoCalDem Nov 2018 #53
"but that person usually does not win" - Much to our detriment. Image what our country FSogol Nov 2018 #55
sadly, so we're stuck with a carnival barker. elleng Nov 2018 #56
"The Return to Sober Sanity Factor" oasis Nov 2018 #57
Yes, elleng Nov 2018 #58
We had a DU for Martin ACt Blue fund raiser for him Omaha Steve Nov 2018 #59

elleng

(130,712 posts)
2. He IS impressive, has been working for Dems around the country for a long time.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 07:17 PM
Oct 2018

Was a good, capable governor here in Maryland.

Check this out:

Martin O'Malley (Group)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

jpljr77

(1,004 posts)
25. He got crushed very quickly by the Clinton and Bernie trains. He never stood a chance in 2016.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:31 AM
Nov 2018

In 2020, however, with things a bit more wide open, he might gain traction.

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
31. I Remember Him
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 01:11 PM
Nov 2018

I was fairly impressed by what little I saw of him. I was wishing he could have gotten more traction, but I suppose it wasn't his time. I hope he tries again, because he seemed quite viable as a candidate at the time.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
27. Calm and competent sounds pretty good to me
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:44 AM
Nov 2018

I don't need a reality star rabble rouser. Had my fill of that already.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,905 posts)
9. He completely mishandled a lot of parole issues
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 07:58 PM
Oct 2018

as governor. Enough so I'd have a hard time seeing him out of the primary.

drray23

(7,615 posts)
10. heard him on msnbc a few days ago. i was not impressed.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 08:00 PM
Oct 2018

Especially when he said Hillary was wrong to have said that many Trump supporters were deplorables. O'Malley said that they are just scared people because of economic conditions and the like. That is nonsense. There is more than overwhelming eviidence that they voted for Trump because they are devoid of morals and embrace xenophobia, mysoginy.

better

(884 posts)
28. I think you might benefit from re-reading Secretary Clinton's complete remarks...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:30 AM
Nov 2018

The point about some Trump supporters just being scared because of economic conditions and the like was actually made by Secretary Clinton herself in the very same paragraph of the infamous "deplorables" speech in which she defined the deplorables:

I know there are only 60 days left to make our case — and don’t get complacent, don’t see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think well he’s done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?

[Laughter/applause]

The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now how 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America. But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.


You are correct, as was Secretary Clinton, that there are those who voted for Trump because they are deplorable, but there are also those who are not deplorable at heart, that voted for him as a result of either ignorance or being misinformed. And as I have emphasized in bold, Secretary Clinton herself went out of her way to make that very distinction.

Those remarks of hers were a mistake politically, in my opinion. Not because the observations she was making were invalid, but because it exposed her to what should have been a predictable manipulation / selective reporting of what she said, and made it too easy to portray her as having painted the opposition with a much more broadly accusatory brush than she was actually trying to.

I've had that very discussion with people for whom the perception that Trump supporter automatically equals deplorable was quite insulting, and pushed them toward Trump. And I could see the recalculation happen when I showed them the full context that their "news" outlets had withheld from them, wherein Secretary Clinton explicitly called for understanding of and empathy for people like them.

I won't try to tell you that you are wrong to not support O'Malley, but I will suggest that your calculation could plausibly change if you evaluate the subject more carefully. The deplorable remarks do not have to have been without merit to have been a political mistake, and as noted, Secretary Clinton herself tried to lead us to recognize both ends of the Trump supporter spectrum, and to deal with those on either end of the spectrum appropriately.



drray23

(7,615 posts)
37. I did not say I would not support him.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:27 PM
Nov 2018

If he was the nominee I would of course vote for him over any GOP. Still, I dont think pandering to trump voters by saying they are poor disenfranchised people who did not know better is a good thing. But now, if these people still support trump, they are deplorables.

better

(884 posts)
38. Well I am glad to know that you would support him were he the candidate.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 04:18 PM
Nov 2018

But even so, I do also think that there is merit to considering the difference between pandering to trump voters or making excuses for them and messaging to us on the left that we should be mindful that we should not assume that everyone who supports trump is deplorable.

I could agree with the idea that anyone who supports him despite knowing all of the terrible things he has done, and that he actually has done them is deplorable, but that still leaves a number who may support him only because they either don't know about the terrible things he has done, or don't realize that it's actually true despite how outlandish it may seem.

The whole point is that there are some who supported trump that may well be worth educating and converting.
We do need to know the difference, and not waste too much time on the truly lost, but the merely unaware are another story, and we certainly won't convert the merely unaware by treating them as deplorable. We should reserve that treatment for those who actually do warrant it.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
51. Thanks for posting this. So many people (on both sides) and especially the media misquote
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 05:22 AM
Nov 2018

Hillary, seemingly always to make her statements take on the worse meaning. Hillary is no fool and her statements are usually balanced, thoughtful, and when taken in full context enlightening and self-explanatory. I blame the media for allowing these misquotes on the airwaves without correction or challenge. I even find that many of the media will go out of their way to "explain" Trump's hateful, ignorant comments by tampering down his nasty rhetoric.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
11. I like the man and his plans are very good, well thought out and follow thru.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 08:41 PM
Oct 2018

He is young'ish and a solid Democrat from a Democratic family that would serve him well. I didn't get hold in 2016, but he started late. Also, he is not a great speaker, but that does not bother me because he is smart, has well thought out plans and follow thru.

dsc

(52,147 posts)
12. I liked his record when he ran in 2016
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 08:54 PM
Oct 2018

but he never broke single digits even in Maryland in the primary. I would be willing to take a fresh look in 2020.

elleng

(130,712 posts)
13. We Are a Nation of Nations.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:01 PM
Oct 2018

'We are a nation of nations, united by our loyalty to this country.
The United States has always been open to those who have been oppressed or persecuted searching for a better life. The current situation on the border is not reflective of decency or our American values. When did a starving refugee child become a threat to our national security? Without immigration there would be no American dream and there would be no American future.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
14. Apparently he's the ideal candidate for me....
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:43 PM
Oct 2018

I did one of those "which candidate best matches your beliefs" quizzes during the 2016 election and he was my match....even though I hadn't heard much about him. He wasn't given much time at the debates.

elleng

(130,712 posts)
20. Glad you noticed he wasn't given much time at the debates.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 02:44 AM
Nov 2018

That was apparently decided by Dem 'higher-ups,' and he was not happy when he learned about it.

People here (and elsewhere) say things like 'he never broke through.' There were inherent problems due to other candidates who tended to take the oxygen out of the room, but with media agreeing to go along with Dem 'party' agreement to short-change him, he COULDN'T get much traction.

TheFarseer

(9,317 posts)
15. I backed him in 2016
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:57 PM
Oct 2018

Until it was obvious he wasnt getting out of single digits. Not sure why he'd do any better in 2020 but i still like the guy.

elleng

(130,712 posts)
21. Maybe he'd do better if Dem party didn't succumb to favoring others,
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 02:47 AM
Nov 2018

and limiting amount of coverage he's allowed, including miserable debate schedule and ## of debates.

He has great policies, the full spectrum, and the Dem party should applaud him. He's been all over the country this past year supporting Dem candidates.

TheFarseer

(9,317 posts)
24. Totally agree
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:30 AM
Nov 2018

Good point- he, and obviously anyone,would do better with a wide open primary field instead of one where there’s a heavy favorite.

elleng

(130,712 posts)
23. His strength is in administration, imo.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:03 AM
Nov 2018

Though he'd be fine as a Senator, his talents wouldn't be used.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
26. I have had my eye on him for a while, and so should we all
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:36 AM
Nov 2018

I think he wants to run for POTUS in 2020. He is building bridges, winning friends, and influencing the shakers and makers by raising money for Dem candidates around the country. Earning his national spurs. He hasn't really broken out nationally yet. So just keep an eye on him for now.

CrispyQ

(36,413 posts)
30. He was my first choice in 2016.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:38 AM
Nov 2018

Clinton & Sanders sucked all the oxygen out of the room, though, so he was barely a blip on the radar.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
32. My first choice as well
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 01:33 PM
Nov 2018

Voted for him in the primary. I was a little dissapointed in his debate performance, Clinton and Sanders ran circles around him. Felt like he just wasn't ready, but can see him being viable in 2020.

Also agree that the debate schedules and lack of airtime given to him did have their intended effect.

elleng

(130,712 posts)
33. I think part of his perceived lack in the debate was, in fact,
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 01:55 PM
Nov 2018

the built-in time limit in 'debate,' about which many were not aware, but was enforced by 'moderator,' instigated by Dem party and agreed to by tv. He is certainly able to respond to anyone, on any issues.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
36. No, it wasn't that. Clinton and Sanders both have much more experience
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 02:27 PM
Nov 2018

and were much more compelling to listen to. They were more comfortable and it showed. I like O'Malley, liked his positions and was so hoping for a much better performance.

I'd have no problem voting for him again.

AnnieBW

(10,409 posts)
42. He was a decent Governor
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:28 PM
Nov 2018

He was a decent governor of Maryland. Unfortunately, he raised taxes to keep our AAA bond rating during the Great Recession, and it pissed off a lot of people. The Repugs pounced on the "Rain Tax", which is shorthand for "taxing stormwater runoff from your property to help clean up the Bay." That, and racism, is how we got Hogan instead of Anthony Brown (who is now my Representative).

Hogan got rid of the "Rain Tax". And we've had Ellicott City, a historic area at the bottom of a steep hill, destroyed twice by flood waters coming down from the top of the hill.

elleng

(130,712 posts)
44. He was a good governor, re-elected,
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 04:12 AM
Nov 2018

after having been mayor of Baltimore 2x.

Re Rain Tax, It’s been inaccurately dubbed a “rain tax” by its opponents, but the stormwater fees that Maryland’s ten most populous jurisdictions are required to charge under the stormwater fee law are anything but. . .

Similar to a water or sewer fee, a stormwater fee is actually a user fee charged to property owners for the service of managing the polluted runoff coming from their property. When rain falls on hard surfaces such as roofs, roads and parking lots, it creates stormwater runoff and carries a veritable stew of pollutants such as bacteria, trash, nutrients and sediment with it to nearby streams and rivers. Stormwater fees are used to construct management practices in strategic locations in the landscape to slow down and filter pollutants from runoff in order to provide cleaner water, reduce flooding and erosion, protect infrastructure, and revitalize communities. . .

Municipalities that do not charge stormwater fees still incur costs to manage runoff, but the revenue must come from other sources such as the general fund, which means residents pay for stormwater management as a percentage of their property tax. Stormwater fees are a more equitable way to fund stormwater management because the fees are based on the amount of impervious surface on each property, which directly influences the amount of runoff pollution created. Says Stack: "A stormwater utility is an equitable solution for providing ratepayers services such as a greened landscape, reduced flooding, clean streams and healthy harbor."

In Maryland, the costs for local jurisdictions to manage polluted runoff are expected to increase substantially to meet new pollution control requirements to restore the Chesapeake Bay and local tributaries. The Maryland Department of Legislative Services reports that the estimated costs just for the ten jurisdictions subject to the stormwater fee law total more than $4 billion over the next five years. Maryland Department of the Environment records show that the jurisdictions are already behind their impervious cover “treatment” goals, while at the same time impervious surfaces continue to expand across the state with new development.'https://www.prlog.org/12276283-marylands-rain-tax-debunked.html#

Lots of people love to hate Governor O'Malley; too darn competent, I guess.

A former Governing Magazine “Public Official of the Year,” Governor O’Malley was re-elected in 2010. His 2013 legislative successes were described in a Baltimore Sun editorial as “without many parallels in recent Maryland history.”

With a balanced approach of spending cuts, regulatory reform, and modern investment in education, innovation, and infrastructure, Governor O’Malley and his Administration are making better choices that are delivering better results, including:

Fastest rate of job growth in the region.
#1 ranking for best public schools in America for an unprecedented five years in a row (Education Week).
#1 ranking for holding down the cost of college tuition (College Board).
#1 ranking for innovation and entrepreneurship for two years running (U.S. Chamber of Commerce).

Under the Governor’s leadership, Maryland also ranks:

#1 nationally in median income,
#1 in Ph.D. scientists and researchers per capita,
#1 in Research and Development, and
#1 in businesses owned by women.

https://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/08conoff/gov/former/html/msa13090.html

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
53. vanilla lowfat frozen yogurt
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 07:32 AM
Nov 2018

okay, but not a banana split with all the trimmings..

US politicians at the presidential level need the "pizzazz" factor.


JFK had it

Bobby Kennedy had it

Bill Clinton had it

GW Bush had it (regrettably)

Howard Dean had it

Bernie Sanders had it

Obama had it

the Orange Menace had it (bigly regrettably)

Every cycle has the competent, hard working, pleasant-enough person, but that person usually does not win.

FSogol

(45,435 posts)
55. "but that person usually does not win" - Much to our detriment. Image what our country
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 08:58 AM
Nov 2018

would be like if Democrats like Al Gore, Paul Tsongas, and Martin O'Malley had been elected.

Americans seem to prefer showmen in lieu of hardworking executives.

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