Chelsea Clinton Mezvinsky

[riverwalker]

Interviewed for next month's Vogue. Described by Huma Abedin as the "smartest person I've ever met", working on her doctorate at Oxford, considering politics someday. WOW.




http://todayonthetrail.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/08/15/13294061-chelsea-clinton-reveals-politics-kids-are-a-possibility

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

1. Zoiks!

Our little Chelsea is all grown up.

[CabCurious]

2. Talk about being handed everything to you...

She better be the smartest person in the room considering what she's been given in life.

What was her first job out of college?

Wasn't it a top position in a HEDGE FUND?

[cyberswede]

4. umm...I don't think privilege makes one smarter.

Just ask George W Bush.

[CabCurious]

7. touche :D

[cali]

9. baloney. Of course it does. it's not nature v nurture

it's nature and nurture.

[pnwmom]

153. Did privilege make Paris Hilton smarter?

[cali]

156. probably.

but that's just ridiculous in any case. Look, when you argue that nurture doesn't count, you argue that good schools don't really matter- that's part of nurture. When you argue that nurture doesn't count you argue that all the attendant privileges of financial security don't count- and we know that they do. You argue that all the attendant negative baggage that comes with poverty don't count- and we know that they do. It is, in fact, a highly illiberal view.

[hobbit709]

177. smarter than what?

a box of rocks maybe.

[mzmolly]

205. .

[Spider Jerusalem]

189. No, it really doesn't

"privilege" as such gives access to better schooling and more educational opportunity but it doesn't make one innately more intelligent. (And look at Bill Clinton for that matter who is brilliant despite having a less than privileged, lower middle class personal background; public schools in Arkansas, and still a Rhodes scholar, etc). Considering that both of Chelsea Clinton's parents are extremely intelligent I don't think it's necessarily unreasonable to assume that nature (genetics and inheritance) probably played some part along with direction and moulding of the raw materials through education and so on, but if she hadn't had the innate intelligence to begin with she might be a vapid socialite.

[cali]

204. as I said it's nature and nurture.

I think it's a reasonable assumption that if you take two infants with similar native intelligence and place one in a nurturing environment with access to a good education and a stable and safe home life and put the other in an environment of poverty and its attendant ills, the former will, as an adult, test higher on intelligence tests. Yes, there are exceptions, but this is hardly a radical theory.

[DonRedwood]

83. Pre natal vitamins, good nutrition, clean water do make a difference in brain development

and physical development and health.

She is who she is, of course, but there is a chance that if she grew up in a slum on the edge of a dump eating garbage and drinking mercury tainted water and getting bit by rats, she might not be as smart.

But that's just the science talkin'...

[Bandit]

125. You mean like her father did?

[pnwmom]

154. Yeah, but there's Paris Hilton smart and there's Chelsea Clinton smart.

Both daughters of privilege, both given good nutrition, etc.

[zonkers]

186. She has a lot of pressure on her. She handles it well.

[datasuspect]

6. shut up

[zzaapp]

12. I thought you were AGAINST privilege and the evil rich???!!!!

Just sayin'

[datasuspect]

19. blah blah blah blah

ur doing it wrong.

although you seem to be VERY clever.

hang in there.

cool post bro.

[Kingofalldems]

20. Thanks for the confirmation.

Absolute RW talking points.

Just sayin'

[zzaapp]

26. With all due respect King, my post to whats his name was an

allusion to a much earlier conversation. Is a "talking point"
any new idea that is contrary to your own, or that you can't grasp the meaning of?

[Kingofalldems]

28. This talking point is not new at all

And yes I grasp the meaning all right.

[zzaapp]

30. But when you call a post a "talking point" then you are using a "talking point"

[datasuspect]

75. "that's what you are what am i?"

child.

you're not very clever, don't pat yourself on the back TOO hard.

[zzaapp]

88. Yes but I'm rubber, you're glue..everything you say bounces etc.

[datasuspect]

93. cool post bro

[zzaapp]

97. Thanks Data, I enjoy your posts too.

[datasuspect]

99. i have no idea who you are

why u mad?

[zzaapp]

101. Because insanity runs in my family.

[datasuspect]

103. that's zany

here's a spicy taco for you.

[zzaapp]

108. I wash my feet of you. Goodbye.

[Ineeda]

161. It shows.

[HangOnKids]

170. His Feet Washing Can Be Done More Often Now

He was shown the door.

[CabCurious]

34. Exactly... this girl has had opportunities nobody else gets

I don't mean to say she isn't probably very cool and very smart, but let's be real.

She's been handed a better education than most of the smartest kids could hope for. She's been granted access to the most powerful people in the world. She got job opportunities right out of college and doors opened for her that only the top 1% can imagine.

Top position in a hedge fund at like age 25? What earned her that?
Top NBC commentator position? What earner her that?

I do expect good things from her, nonetheless. I wish her the best.

But I am not going to glorify the achievements of somebody granted so many open doors.

[zzaapp]

38. I know JUST what you meant.

You were throwing logic and reason into a discussion where it is not appreciated. I like that.

[CabCurious]

42. I feel dirty and principled :(

[zzaapp]

44. LOL

“Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self.”
― Cyril Connolly

[spanone]

162. you guys make a great pair. like minded. small, but like.

[hifiguy]

51. My thoughts exactly. nt

[Romulox]

81. LOL at class based put-downs by the person with the Marx Engels Lenin jpg in their sig! nt

[Romulox]

89. We get it. You're a phoney. nt

[datasuspect]

91. wow. you thought that up on the fly?

wow. that's what you are, what am i?

cool post bro.

[unc70]

90. Welcome to DU

[DonRedwood]

102. Her father is extremely bright, as is her mother...her being smart could be genetic

In an evolutionary stance, two people with high intelligence and leadership and political qualities married and produced a child....that child may inherit skill sets and brains from each of those parents.

She is obviously very bright. Who knows, her genetics might make her extremely well-suited to politics as well.

She also grew up seeing public service as the norm and the ultimate use of impressive brains.

I can't imagine she would be very interested in being the CEO of Yahoo or working on Wall Street. Those jobs are for the likes of Romney's kids.

[LanternWaste]

120. Seems as though you're confusing the words "glorify" and "commend"

Seems as though you're confusing the words "glorify" and "commend"

[LiberalEsto]

129. On the other hand,

she's witnessed the impact of her father's relationship with Monica Lewinsky being exposed all over the media, the unhappiness of her mother over it, the non-stop efforts by the repukes to investigate Whitewater to death, the political vilification of both parents, the impeachment, the perpetual media spotlight on all of them and so much more. And whatever move she makes in the future, there will be harping in the right-wing media.

I wouldn't want to be Chelsea for anything if I had to go through all the stuff that she's experienced.

[aquart]

184. You mean like the Kennedys?

And then there are the Bushes.

[LukeFL]

221. All of that was no fault of her own

Yes she is priviledged and has received the best education money can buy but what did you all want? You wanted her to go to public schools and a community college just to satisfy her fatgers liberal fololwers?
Iam a liberal but if chelsea had The financial ability to get The education she got. So be it.

She is a well rounded girl, born to wealth but extremely humble and noble.

[Lex]

13. another low post count noob spewing crap

seems to be an epidemic lately

[zzaapp]

29. "My posts are bigger than your posts". nannay nannay boo boo

you are something else!

[zzaapp]

31. Yawn.......I'm out of here.

[Lex]

48. I doubt it.

But one can hope. Posting to yourself is fun to see, however.

[zzaapp]

49. I changed my mind. I like you Lex.

[HangOnKids]

80. At it again?

Are you reporting?

[zzaapp]

84. To all, please disregard my stalker, it's an unhealthy obsession.

[datasuspect]

87. who did you use to post as before?

[zzaapp]

95. Oh cool reincarnation

I've always had the strangest feeling that in a former life, I was a Buddhist Monk, hence my innate talent for Martial Arts. Good topic.

[datasuspect]

96. cool post bro

strike a nerve?

[HangOnKids]

98. Sorry Dude This Is An Open Discussion Board

I come upon a thread and you happen to post in it, well tough titty. Report again, your last attempt was so grand.

[zzaapp]

100. tough titty? post moved to Feminism group.

[HangOnKids]

107. Comedy is not your thing

[zzaapp]

112. And thinking is not yours.

As much as I would like to continue to make you look silly.

I have a brunch date down at the yacht club. Good day to you.

[HangOnKids]

135. Keep It Coming zzaapp

Make me look silly all day. I'm waiting.

[Ya Basta]

141. But it appears spitefulness is your thing

The disposition of your posts reminds me of Rush Limbaugh

[HangOnKids]

148. OH Ouch I Haz A Sad Now

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Keep going Basta, you and zzaapp are quite the entertainers! Oh Sorry, it appears that zzaapp has left the building.

[HangOnKids]

158. Why Yes...You Are Indeed!

Thanks MIRT!


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[obamanut2012]

110. Lex IS something else

All of it good.

What are you?

[zzaapp]

113. That's what I meant. He IS something else.

[CabCurious]

36. I guess you weigh post count above principles.

[Lex]

46. No, I'm considering both. nt

[CabCurious]

67. What principles are behind telling me to "shut up" then? hmmm?

[DonRedwood]

105. If everyone followed your advice and shut up it would just be you typing

that wouldn't be very interesting....

[obamanut2012]

111. Link to Lex telling you to shut up?

I missed that post.

[Egalitarian Thug]

47. It's a "well known fact" that there is no life nor knowledge prior to joining DU.

Just as it is known that nothing that does not have a link on line exists either.

Prior to 1992 we were all just squatting in the road rubbing dirt into our hair in an effort to appease the void that was our existence.

[Romulox]

77. LOL at the person with the Engels Marx Lenin jpg defending hereditary wealth and privilege.

[datasuspect]

79. cool post bro

hang in there.

[Romulox]

82. Cool mask, bro. nt

[datasuspect]

86. u mad?

derp.

[Romulox]

92. Are you for real? Find somebody else to troll. nt

[datasuspect]

94. cool post bro

you started it.

that's what you are, what am i?

[zzaapp]

106. LOL...%^%$* CLASSIC !!!!!

[MoonRiver]

32. Careful, your hate is showing.

[CabCurious]

35. It's not hatred... it's consistent application of my progressive principles

This girl was handed job opportunities out of college that other people don't even know exist.

[ann---]

55. You forgot to add....

she was handed job opportunities out of college BECAUSE SHE IS SO INTELLIGENT AND QUALIFIED.

[CabCurious]

70. I'm sure she's extremely intelligent

Yes, that history degree clearly qualified her for a McKinsey gig and then a hedge fund position...

[LanternWaste]

123. On the other hand... what then specifically disqualifies her?

On the other hand... what then specifically disqualifies her?

I imagine she is either qualified or she is not. One feels compelled to request any substantive evidence that she is not, indeed qualified for the positions she's held...

[hifiguy]

115. I'd be far more surprised if she weren't exceedingly bright

given that her parents are two exceedingly bright people. But let me assure you that connections are at least as important, and often moreso, in the elite. I was a summa graduate of the U of MN and attended Harvard Law School with the FLOTUS. I have been unemployed and underemployed for most of the last 25 years - once I made $60K annualy for a 20 month period - my best ever stretch - and now work for a subsistence level wage and have to file bankruptcy. Why, you ask?

Two reasons - I am a product of the working class with zero connections or influence and I am Asperger's. I've seen people with a fraction of my abilities fly up the ladder because they were connected and highly social. Truth is what it is and Chelsea Clinton had every advantage anyone can possibly have to go along with her own native gifts. That makes a HUGE difference in how your life turns out. Denying that is just willful blindness.

[zzaapp]

41. How was he being hateful? It's called an OPINION...sheez

[progressivebydesign]

43. jealous much? I know plenty of people who were "given everything"

and fell flat on their over-privileged faces!

I know a brother and a sister, with the same genetics.. raised by two well-to do families, separately. And one is like Chelsea, and the other turned out as if he was raised with nothing.

Your comment smack of total jealousy. I would expect something like that on one of those other sites. Born into a family with money and connections? Yep. She was. But her parents worked for that money and position. What she achieved in school, and being a good person, that is something SHE worked for.

[zzaapp]

52. I saw not one shred of jealousy in that post.

[CabCurious]

56. Who wouldn't want to work at a hedge fund right after college?

(sarcasm)

[CabCurious]

53. I'm definitely jealous!!!!

And I've know a spectrum of these types. Some did well. Some did okay. Some did poorly.

But in all seriousness, I do find it offensive that she's getting jobs as NBC commentators when I know extremely smart and hard-working journalists who will NEVER get that chance. It's NOT for the betterment of our society.

I'm sure I'd like her. I'm sure she's great.

But don't expect us all to fawn over her in the coming decades...

[hfojvt]

181. But America NEEDS a royal family

and Chelsea is almost as hot as Kate.

[ann---]

58. What about Paris Hilton - didn't even graduate HS

and yet - everything is STILL being given to her.

[zzaapp]

68. Yes, but she has certain....ahem...other talents. (from what I heard)

[LukeFL]

222. I agree with this

I mentioned something similar above.

[Egalitarian Thug]

50. When one is born to the ruling class it is literally impossible to fail. n/t

[CabCurious]

59. That's not true. She has been granted lots of opportunities but...

That doesn't mean success.

Lots of rich and powerful kids have fallen completely.

How I judge people is not by what they've been given but by what they do with it. But I cannot applaud Chelsea for things she's been given.

[Egalitarian Thug]

74. Name one scion of the ruling class that has failed.

Failure defined as suffering the consequences for doing a bad job, and suicide isn't failure.

[hifiguy]

116. Nor is being an alcoholic layabout

which is what defines most of the 1%ers who have "failed." They never went without a meal or a luxurious roof over their heads in their lives. Anyone else would have wound up homeless and in the gutter.

[Egalitarian Thug]

150. Exactly. All they have to do is want something and they get it. Want to be a movie star?

Daddy knows some people and, voilà! Want to be a banker, politician, doctor, sculptor, race car driver, software mogul, oilman, hedge fund manager, news reporter, model, etc.

I suppose athletics would be an exception.

[treestar]

214. JFK Jr. got be act on TV

Even with the athletics, true they could fail but they'd have all the equipment and opportunity and time they needed to give it a shot.

[Romulox]

145. W. was a cokehead, alcoholic, failed businessman.

[Egalitarian Thug]

151. Not from his perspective. Arbusto went under but he made a bundle thanks to daddy's friends.

Worst owner in baseball, wrecked the team, but he made out great. He was even successful at snorting and drinking, I suppose.

[Paladin]

61. You Need To Remember What Forum You're In,.........

.....check out the sick vilification Ms. Clinton was subjected to by the radical right when she was young, and ponder whether your statement really advances those progressive principles you supposedly adhere to. Thanks for your efforts towards improvement.

[CabCurious]

64. I judge people by what they DO with what they are given.

My judgement on Chelsea remains open.

I hope she takes all of this and does incredible things for society.

[DURHAM D]

121. My judgment of you is now complete. nt

[Paladin]

128. I Guess A Backpeddle Is Better Than Nothing. (nt)

[liberal N proud]

65. Considering the brains of her parents, I would bet she is pretty smart

And I don't put her in the same class as the silver-spoons, Romney and the Bu$h's.

I am happy to see her rise up after the beating her parents have taken in the media for being so brilliant.

[DonRedwood]

109. agreed.

[LaydeeBug]

69. Sure. Like constant ridicule. nt

[Beacool]

114. So, should she apologize for not being born poor?

Actually, now that I think about it, the Clintons were the poorest couple to enter the WH in decades. They didn't even own a house.

Did you read the interview? Whatever else can be said about the Clintons, they are great parents. Chelsea is bright, caring and well grounded. There's no diva in her.

[SemperEadem]

117. so?

so what if it was?

[JoePhilly]

146. She had no more of a choice of parents than did you or I.

I grew up lower middle class, sad Philly row home (a little nicer than Rocky's). I did not pick my parents.

My wife and I now do pretty well. College degrees, successful careers, nice home. And our son, and our two daughters live much better than either my wife or I did as kids.

But again, our children did not PICK us as parents, any more than Chelsea picked her's.

The real question will be ... "What will Chelsea do with the advantages her birth provided?"

Will she follow in Mitt's path ... or one that helps others. We don't know yet.

But given how hard it must have been to be the "first daughter" called a "dog" by those who hated her father, so far, she seem to be doing ok. At least she's not a McCain or Cheney daughter.

Maybe we should give her a chance to do something wrong, before we attack her.

[Canuckistanian]

164. Is this a foreign concept to you?

That maybe, JUST MAYBE, a child of a famous American CAN'T be accomplished or brilliant?

Please state specifics and examples.

OK? Thanks.

[Freddie]

3. Chelsea gets more beautiful

as she gets older. Smart and accomplished, she will be a force in politics in the near future! The apple dosen't fall far, etc.

Her mother-in-law Marjorie Mezvinsky was my Congresswoman. Great lady.

[zzaapp]

10. "Chelsea gets more beautiful everyday"..So does Hillary

[Freddie]

15. Yes indeed!

Bill should put some weight back on, he does not look good thin. Although I'm sure the weight loss was for his health.

[zzaapp]

27. No he doesn't look very healthy to me.

[ann---]

60. He's a vegetarian

that is why he lost so much weight. He's probably in the best shape of his entire life now.

[zzaapp]

62. Glad to hear it. In the picture I saw, he looked

very drawn and tired. Maybe it's the vegetable thing.

[hifiguy]

139. We saw him with a sort of pudgy face for so long

and now he's rail thin. I think that's it.

[zzaapp]

140. Yeah, I just hope that he is well.

[MgtPA]

17. Oh, I didn't realize MMM was Chelsea's mother-in-law!

I grew up in her district.

[Freddie]

22. Hi neighbor!

Used to live in Lansdale, in Bucks Co. now. I got MMM's name wrong, she's Marjorie Margolies now since her divorce.

[MgtPA]

24. Hey neighbor! I'm in Bucks now too, but I grew up in Jenkintown

[rurallib]

137. Her FIL was my old congressman from a ways back

In Iowa's old first congressional district.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

5. I never understood the knock on her that she was a "dog" even as a kid

Of course that mainly came from right wingers like Limbaugh who had to develop a different sense of aesthetic beauty to keep from going insane when they look in the mirror. I thought Chelsea was a cute kid who has grown up to be a very attractive young woman. If she's an extremely smart person to boot, then she's almost got it all.

[Posteritatis]

33. It was because her father had a (D) after his name, pretty much. (nt)

[Hassin Bin Sober]

130. Considering where Limpballs and his bucket of Viagra likes to vacation,....

....I think we can surmise how he likes his pre-teens to dress, look and act.

[brewens]

179. She reminded me of a girl in school with kind of a big nose that was called "Snoopy" at times.

This girl turned into a knockout by the time we were seniors, in kind of a Barbara Streisand way. She predictably dated an older guy by high school. Those cruel classmates from grade school blew their chances.

[cali]

8. no thank you. just no.

[JaneyVee]

11. Heard she wants to run for Prez in the future.

[CabCurious]

37. I would hope to see her accomplish great things

Especially given her access, education, and connections.

[Ruby the Liberal]

14. Great Picture!

[LanternWaste]

16. An intelligent, attractive, independent, and strong-willed young lady

An intelligent, attractive, independent, and strong-willed young lady. Enough to piss off even the most tolerant misogynist

[BumRushDaShow]

18. I forgot that she married a Mezvinsky

Thanks to that family (despite the dysfunction of Ed), Ed and Marjorie helped to break red Montgomery County, PA, heralding the beginning of the bluing of the suburban Philadelphia rim.

[lpbk2713]

21. Mom and Dad have every reason to beam with pride.

Brains and beauty too, what a package.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

23. Wow indeed! Meanwhile this DOG remains fat, deaf (via drug abuse), balding and impotent.

Oh, and clueless to boot.

Oh Rush, karma is quite a bitch, isn't it?

[CabCurious]

39. hehehehe that induced a big chuckle

[riderinthestorm]

127. I hope Chelsea's thinking to herself, "revenge is a dish best served cold".

She looks fantastic and Limbaugh looks like the family dog now.

[Care Acutely]

136. He always did. n/t

[philly_bob]

25. Remember when Republicans made fun of her looks

when she was an awkward 13 or so, and no doubt extremely sensitive, as people are at that age.

Allegedly John McCain said ""Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

Rush Limbaugh also mocked her, as I recall.

[progressivebydesign]

45. Yep. Rush called her the "family dog." Hope that pic torments him. n/t

[Rob H.]

78. I just remember how awkward I was as a 13-year-old

and how ugly I thought I was, and that was without having a US Senator and a bloviating right-wing radio host (both grown men, at least chronologically) making fun of me. That must have been awful for her.

[hifiguy]

138. Those early teen years are not kind to very many people,

boys or girls. I was a gawky stringbean for most of my teens. Chelsea turned out just fine, though. Just fine.

[Stinky The Clown]

40. What a terrific woman!

(To be sure, millions have had a tougher life than she has . . . . but . . . . .)

She has stayed poised and together in the face of some serious personal tribulations.

Growing up in the White House is not easy. Every other White House child has reported that.

At probably the most sensitive and awkward time of her life she was ridiculed in an incredibly public way by some incredibly powerful people - like John McLame and drug addicted Limbaugh - for her looks. A 13 year child was subjected to ridicule by grown men. Disgusting.

She had to live through the result of her father's disgusting philandering. Who can forget that picture of her walking with her parents across the White House lawn, holding their hands as they were to either side of her. She was clearly the glue that held them together. She was on the national stage again, dealing with family pain as both a victim and a healer.

Her progress in life is inspiring. How can her parents not be proud of her?

I suspect she is not at Oxford as a legacy. I suspect she is there on the basis of merit.

Anyone who has a problem with her, can bite me.

[HappyMe]

133. Thank you.

Well said. I can't believe so many here are dumping on her.


Compare Chelsea to this trainwreck.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021135317

[BeyondGeography]

54. Why do I find this depressing?

Must be a global celebrity ruling class tinged with an overabundance of amour-propre kind of thing.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

57. President Clinton?

[hamsterjill]

63. If we're lucky enough

One day, maybe.

[CabCurious]

66. I'd like to see her GOVERN something down the road :)

She needs to step out of the Wall Street and Academic world to get into politics as a progressive.

[Beacool]

118. I'm still hoping that her mom becomes the second president Clinton.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

160. Yes maybe 2016?

How about Clinton/O'Malley 2016 either Hillary or Chelsea

[Beacool]

201. That sounds good.

Chelsea is not ready yet for the big top, but can start running for state office. She shouldn't try to pull a Caroline Kennedy. Remember when she was hoping to be appointed to Hillary's seat although she had never ran for office previously? People should earn their seats, not being handed to them in a silver platter due to their family name. When Hillary ran for the senate she went to every county in NY state. She worked her butt off campaigning and listening to people's needs. If Chelsea wants to be elected to any office, she needs to do the same as her mom: work hard and earn the seat.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

203. Yes, I remember

It is important that Chelsea starts early.

[Romulox]

76. We go on and on here about the elusive "white male privilege". THIS is privilege. Hereditary. nt

[LanternWaste]

124. I imagine an example validates a premise for many people.

I imagine an example validates a premise for many people.

[Romulox]

144. Yes. That's how "evidence" works. nt

[leftstreet]

168. +1 We discuss everything but ruling class privilege

[Warren DeMontague]

172. Bill Clinton had a decidedly lower middle class background.

To paint the Clintons as some sort of old fuckin' aristocracy is ridiculous.

[Romulox]

175. This thread is about *CHELSEA CLINTON*, who lives a life of inherited wealth.

What's with the attempt to change the subject?

[Warren DeMontague]

207. It's a conspiracy.

It's a Chelsea-based conspiracy to change the subject, is what it is.

[leftstreet]

200. Apparently he couldn't wait to escape it

DLClinton, such a beacon of example and representation for the working classes!

The solidarity brings a tear...

[Warren DeMontague]

208. Bill Clinton was a damn fine president.

I didn't agree with everything he did, but he was certainly one of the better ones of the 20th Century.

[leftstreet]

211. NAFTA, Telecom, Welfare to Min Wage, Dereg Wall Street

And let us not forget his destruction of Glass Steagall. We could go on.

Yes, quite the little 'reformer.'

He uh, 'climbed' his way into the upper class at our expense

[Warren DeMontague]

212. he was little?

Was he an elf?

[leftstreet]

215. Dunno. U could ask Monica

[Warren DeMontague]

218. Aye, when all else fails

fall back on the dreaded blowjob.

[PotatoChip]

104. Brains, Poise, and Beauty.

Chelsea is an amazing young woman!

Love that pic of her too. She looks very happy and self assured. She'd make any parent proud.

[polichick]

119. Lucky girl to have inherited such smarts...

I'm sure she'll make good use of her talents.

[Le Taz Hot]

122. I remember Rush Limbaugh

calling her a dog. I believe she was 12 at the time. What a despicable pile of horse manure he is.

[Javaman]

126. I hope I'm still alive to vote for her when she runs. nt

[LiberalLoner]

131. Beautiful young lady! I wish her well.

[april]

132. She is very pretty.

[DURHAM D]

134. I agree with Huma - Chelsea is the "smartest person I've ever met."

and Huma has been in the room with all of the current world leaders. Chelsea is a combination of the best of both of her parents.

Just a few days after I listened to her speak and then got to talk with Chelsea I had an opportunity to talk to her mother. I gushed with admiration about Chelsea's vast knowledge on so many issues and we agreed on what an amazing young woman she is and then Hillary said - "She is something else isn't she."

She really is something and if she runs for public office everyone in this country will come to understand that. If she just heads her father's and then her mother's foundations most of the rest of the world will know but us not so much.

[Jennicut]

142. I like Chelsea. I remember the 90's and how terrible she was treated by some of the Repubs

back then. She may have "privilege" but I wouldn't have wanted her life. She grew up being very scrutinized. She was an only child and the media was not always kind to her.

[Gormy Cuss]

143. That's Chelsea Clinton, not "Chelsea Clinton Mezvinsky"

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Neither the OP link on MSN nor the original Vogue article refer to her as anything but Chelsea Clinton. She's clearly retained her own name without modification.

In the 21st century, assuming that married women always append their husband's surnames to their own is, well, quaint.

[hedgehog]

147. She is good looking, but can I ask without sounding snarky

how much photoshopping went on? That waistline looks a little pinched. It's a shame that someone thought that what nature and hard work gave her wasn't enough!

[cali]

149. she almost certainly had plastic surgery

and that's fine, but it wasn't all nature and hard work.

[hedgehog]

152. I just wish she learned to rock her hair in its natural state

without straightening it. I guess to each her own!

[DURHAM D]

159. How nasty...

[EmeraldCityGrl]

167. Not nasty. From a sociological

perspective cosmetic surgery, fashion and all forms of marketing oneself
play into the the publics image of a public figure. Research has proven attractive
adults, tall men, women with a certain waist to hip ratios, facial symmetry succeed where
others fail in career as well as in attracting a mate.

I doubt from this election year forward we will be able to elect a president that
doesn't fit into the publics view of what's considered "attractive." Sad but true.

[DURHAM D]

169. Chelsea has not had any surgery.

If you want to have a conversation about your issue that is okay but don't do this add on crap trashing in this thread.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

174. "crap trashing"

Making an observation about our culture. Deal with it.

[cali]

178. oh for pity's sake

http://inyourface.ocregister.com/2010/07/30/surgerys-role-in-chelsea-clinton-makeover/19691/

and frankly, I don't see anything wrong with it, but it's an ill kept secret.

[DURHAM D]

198. LOL - wonderful source quoting a surgery salesman...

[Beacool]

210. Chelsea has not had plastic surgery.

I've seen that girl since her parents moved to NY. She obviously straightens her hair and used to have braces on her teeth, but she hasn't had plastic surgery.

[Brainstormy]

155. Wonder if Rush still thinks Chelsea's a dog

I'll never forget how cruel I thought Limbaugh's attack on Chelsea as a 13-year-old was. Like Sanda Fluke, however, she probably now considers it a badge of honor. And even Fatso would have to admit she's become a beautiful young woman.

[Warren DeMontague]

173. The pasty turd who couldn't find his weiner with an electron scan microscope

isn't in any position to criticize anyone's appearance, ever.

[applegrove]

157. Too bad the Clintons didn't have a whole bunch of kids.

[Beacool]

209. They wanted to, they both love children.

Hillary had a lot of trouble getting pregnant, they weren't able to have any more.

[applegrove]

217. Hopefully Chelsea will have a brood. Keep those brilliant & compassionate genes

going.

[Beacool]

219. Yeah, I hope so too.

At least two. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Starry Messenger]

163. Geesh.

I hate capitalism as much as the next guy or gal, but it would be nice to celebrate a progressive woman's accomplishments without hours long flame-wars on if she is worthy. At the end of the day, she's stumping for the 99%--yeah, I don't like the hedge fund thing either, but sadly our political life in the US means that access means $. And exploiting divisions among capitalists is a better tactic than just lumping everyone in with ultra-right free market a-holes.

[Odin2005]

165. When I was a kid in the 90s I had a huge crush on her.

And I guess I still do.

[Enrique]

166. how do people know so much about her?

she seems kind of private to me.

[Warren DeMontague]

171. Good for Chelsea.

I'm not in favor of political dynasties, per se, but it would be cool if she decided to pursue that sort of future.

[Romulox]

176. You're not in favor of hereditary political dynasties, but you're willing to make an exception, huh?

[demwing]

180. Why not? Does heredity DISqualify anyone?

If the person seeking office would have been able to get there on their own, why should anyone care who their parents are?

[Romulox]

183. This country has the lowest class mobility in the developed world. That's "why not". What happened

to a country in which any mother's son or daughter could grow up to be President?

It's long-gone, in favor of the latest "MY turn!" child of privilege and wealth.

why should anyone care who their parents are?

If nobody should care who their parents are, then the W.s and the Chelseas of the world would never get a chance at President.

[Paladin]

187. Are You Upset About Franklin D. Roosevelt's Presidency?

Just wondering how far your Storm The Barricades mentality extends......

[Romulox]

190. I'm not in favor of hereditary wealth and privilege as an organizing principle for the United States

(without exception).

[Romulox]

191. LOWEST class mobility in the developed world, Paladin... nt

[Paladin]

197. If Your Class Consciousness Applies To FDR Or JFK.......

....you've lost my support. And I think a majority of DU'ers would feel the same way, particularly about raising an alarm on what Chelsea Clinton might or might not do......

[Bluenorthwest]

192. Chelsea is a student, not a candidate. I highly doubt she will run for anything, if she does

it will be years from now and it will be the Senate. To lump her in with W is disgusting. The woman has never run for office and when stumping for her mother she did not make speeches, she took open questions.
What other Presidents or candidates, aside from W had powerful parents in politics? Not Bill, not Jimmy, HW has ties but not elected ties, Reagan was the worst, but also not related to anyone who'd ever held any office or wealth of any kind. Obama of course was working at 31 Flavors when I, same age, was making tons more than he was. How do they qualify as 'my turn' candidates? HW in a way, but as evil as he was he also had a lifetime of government work behind him, no one knew his daddy, they knew him.
So other than W, which are the 'Chelseas and W's' of this world? You made the claim that they are part of some group of 'my turns' that long ago replaced notions of Presidents coming up from the People. Can you explain to me which of Obama's family allowed him 'his turn'? How about Bill?
What made Carter's turn a function of family ties and wealth?

[Romulox]

193. She has been reported to have political aspirations. Who can say if it's true? The comparison to W

is just factually correct--that is, a child born into privilege who has had opportunities average Americans can never have (no matter how "smart".)

As for the rest of your post, one obvious choice is Jeb Bush, who, at one time, had a claim to a "turn" at President.

[demwing]

196. So start a campaign

disqualify children of former elected official from seeking political office, even if they're otherwise exceedingly qualified. Too bad for them (and us) ... if they had only been born to the noble life of the impoverished, then they might have something to offer.

[demwing]

194. You asked: "What happened to a country in which any mother's son...

..or daughter could grow up to be President?"

We live in it - just consider the current occupant of the White House.

And BTW, comparing Chelsea to W is beneath you.

[Warren DeMontague]

206. Yep.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

[brewens]

182. She's a smoker from what I understand. Or she was a few years ago. I kind of appreciated that

for the rebellion aspect, having been a smoker myself. I have since quit but am not the type to go anti-smoking crusader.

[Bluenorthwest]

185. She's also one of the smartest people I've met. Smarter than her parents, either of them...

scary memory for facts and numbers, ask her a question, you get an answer. More than you wanted usually. She's impressive.

[mfcorey1]

188. Beautiful!!!!

[BOG PERSON]

195. worked at Goldman-Sachs too

what an inspiration to us all

[LaydeeBug]

199. KICK. NT

[GreenPartyVoter]

202. She has two very bright parents, and I imagine had excellent schooling, so it makes

sense that she is also smart.

[Beacool]

213. This place is as depressing as always for Clinton supporters.

Now even Chelsea is a target. Some of the comments are worthy of a RW site.

It doesn't matter. Chelsea will flourish and succeed. She's as bright as her parents, down to earth and an overall great person.

[progressivebydesign]

216. Unreal. The daughter of two SELF MADE American succes stories, and she's treated like Bush.

I was thinking about the vitriol on DU this week about Chelsea and how well she's turned out, in spite of growing up in a fish bowl, being personally attacked by the right for everything from her looks, to her intelligence.

And I remembered. Her Father became President, after being enduring abuse at home, growing up with nothing, and somehow getting into college, and becoming President. Hillary Clinton came from a good home, but she was NOT American Royalty in the least.. she did not have a bloodline OR an oil line behind her.

Chelsea is the product of two people that realized the American Dream, by their own smarts and hard work. Why in the world would people be shitting on what she's accomplished?

And when Malia and Sasha Obama turn out just as successful, will you be hating on them, too?

[Beacool]

220. Well said!!!