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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm glad we took back the House but
as horrible as Trump is in every way, this should have been a rout. This countrys sick. Trump was rewarded in the Senate for his vile, racist ads.
Rhiannon12866
(205,291 posts)And we know that we're far from alone.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)I know folks are disappointed, but I had winners yesterday. All along we were told the repubs would hold the Senate. They did. No surprise for me. Think about it With the Dems winning the House they will investigate & be able to slow/stop the trump/repub agenda. In Michigan we have a new Dem Governor (Whitmer), Secretary of State and Attorney General. All women! We now have recreational pot, districts drawn by a commission and new voting rights that make it easier to vote. Yes I wish Beto and Gillum would have won.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Can't win em all.
But I am really relieved that sane people have the House.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Democrats control the House y'all!
Trump's GOP dictatorship is DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
zanana1
(6,112 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,955 posts)I am so disheartened. In Oklahoma, I am just disgusted with this state. Frankly, I hope this state falls.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Kansas had to get really bad to achieve the result they got last night. It'll happen in OK. , too.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Trump's approval steadily rose in 2018 from 37% to 42% as measured by 538.
That was everything in terms of how tonight played out. Everything. It partially counteracted money and GOTV from our side.
Whenever those special district results were analyzed in terms of how many districts with lesser GOP advantage would be contested in 2018, it assumed similar dynamic as when Trump's approval was high 30s. Once approval reached into the 40s, and higher among actual voters, our flip opportunities declined sharply.
All of these tight losses would have been wins a year ago, and if Roy Moore runs under these conditions instead of December 2017 conditions, he wins.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I have been wishing we could hold an election during that period. Especially during the time period a Democrat won Alabama.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Freddie
(9,265 posts)We can now control the damage. Put a stop to attempts to repeal the ACA, more tax cuts and efforts to cut entitlement programs.
I think its time to sit back and consider what worked and what didnt. What could make the difference in those places where we came so heartbreakingly close.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Because that's what really counts.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... seats up during opposition party power.
Amishman
(5,557 posts)Manchin survived in what is now one of the reddest states. He did this by following the will of his constituents and defyung his party when that conflict arose.
Most of our Senators from red States that put party before state went down.
We are going to need more blue dogs, and we are going to have to accept it when they break party line occasionally
Freddie
(9,265 posts)Some Dems arent going to pass the purity test, and thats OK. Its how they vote once they get to Washington that counts.
Like Sen. Bob Casey who won in a landslide. Hes pro-life which unfortunately gets him votes here in Catholic PA. But Ive never seen him introduce any anti-choice legislation, and in fact he supports PP because the vast majority of what they do serves to prevent abortion. And hes a reliable vote for our side in the Senate.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)They all say he is an extremely savvy politician. He is also personally very well liked by people across the political spectrum. In smaller states that counts for a lot. Think Bill Clinton back in 92 when asked how job losses affected him. His answer was Manchin in WVa
One thing they pointed out was when turtle guy made the comment on social security and medicare he latched onto that and never let go.
Bring up caravans, Joe brought up mc turtle and social security
the wall.. social security and medicare
Crimes by illegals... medicare
One of them said there was a joke in his area that if Manchin's mother were to die and he was asked if he was sad, Manchin would have replied, "I'm very sad, of course. But not as sad as I am about what Mitch Mc Connell is trying to do to social security and medicare."
Lots of people knew what Mitch had said and shared Manchin's feelings
He kept his campaign focused at all times and never wavered.
Something to be said for campaign discipline
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I don't think rejecting someone for sexual assault should be a partisan thing.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)I cant spin it: this SUCKS.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The suburbs are slipping away from the republicans. And Nancy Pelosi will be handed the gavel putting a check on Donnie. Im happy this morning.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Nancy is a tough cookie, one of our best Speakers ever. She made one mistake a long time ago when she picked Steny Hoyer over Jack Murtha. Murtha was a veteran Marine and gave a strong voice in opposition to the Iraq war.
I believe they killed Murtha, who dies from a routine gall bladder operation? What surgeon worth his salt nicks an artery and sews you back up?
We need strong fighters under Nancy as Majority leader and Whip. Steny is a nice guy but that's why he should step down and let someone else have a chance.
Boomerproud
(7,952 posts)No delusions.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... once a 4th generation layout of senate seats
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Drumpf is far and away the worst President this country has ever seen, and its only been 2 years. Taking the Senate back may never have been in play (though a million clickbait DU posts definitely tried to convince me otherwise), but I cant spin going BACKWARDS by 3-5 Senate seats after 2 years of his abominable rule as anything but a shocking disappointment.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... to claim that this wasn't a big win for dems.
Facts matter not just how we feel
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Perhaps people should check their highest hopes (who didn't want Beto to win, but it was a serious long shot) at the door of the real world. 2020 has a senate map that favors the Dems.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,528 posts)Overall a success. It was sad to watch some high visibility candidates lose, but Democrats now have their knees back under the desk, and the world was introduced to Beto, Abrams, and Gillum, whom I think all have bright futures and I'm glad to have in the blue corner.
The D's taking the Senate was always a longshot. The board is closer to level now than it was yesterday.
DFW
(54,369 posts)Montana and Nevada were small consolations (big ones if you're from Montana or Nevada), and Arizona could still go our way. Nelson could still pull Florida out of the fire, but the wind is not at his/our back. McCaskill and Heitkamp merely proved once again that polls are often nothing more than wishful thinking.
2naSalit
(86,579 posts)This morning I have awakened yo find Tester slightly trailing with 55% of votes counted. We have a heavy mail in factor. like 1/3 of the ballots cast, I think they have yet to be counted so I am still hoping for Tester.
DFW
(54,369 posts)2naSalit
(86,579 posts)which means I would have to figure out where to go and still live in an acceptable place. Glad I'm getting old and won't have to worry about this much longer.
DFW
(54,369 posts)I've heard it has a primitive beauty to it, but can't speak from experience. Some day, maybe.
2naSalit
(86,579 posts)is a good way to describe it. No photo can do it justice. But it won't be nice for much longer due to climate change and too many wannabe "roughing it" folks show up and build their trophy homes right in the more sensitive places... and then the overload of tourists who have no respect for what they came to "enjoy". For many it boils down to thinking they will find a cozy "rebel" existence as a wannbe prepper, far enough in the woods to ignore laws and such. Doesn't really work that way but that's the fantasy. Thus, we end up with a lot of dead-enders who turn out only when they can be obnoxious or vote in assholes like Gianforte and Daines.
ETA: And, the initiative to force hardrock mining corps to cleanup their act lost so our clean water will continue to decline and eventually lose potability, that means we have to go back and refight that battle. It took three ballot initiatives to force the R legislature to allow medical marijuana but we finally did it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Tester has a reasonable chance of pulling this out.
2naSalit
(86,579 posts)Gallatin and Missoula counties are about the bluest in the state. Used to live in Gallatin County... for many years. I hope they pull through for him, it would be a tragedy for his opponent to win. We're already stuck with the body slammer for our one Rep in the House. I think that is a tragedy too.
One bright spot is that the new House can investigate that POS, zinke... as bad as or worse than pruitt.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)so disappointed that so many still support dt... we are truly a sick nation.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Obviously the Dems taking the house. That is HUGE. Finally a check on Donnie. Taking out Walker and taking governorships in PA and MI, very important states for 2020. Then little stuff like taking out Kobach (not little for KS but nationally). Kim Davis losing to someone she denied a marriage application to.
Now we must build. The senate map favors US in 2020 and we must take advantage. Continue focus on women's issues and solidify support in the suburbs. Yes we lost some seats in the senate but they were in blood red states. Donnie still hasn't managed to build a coalition. His support hasn't been built on at all.
pstokely
(10,528 posts)but it's probably premature to speculate at this point
Raster
(20,998 posts)...just as the Dems were forced to defend numerous Senate seats this year.
Our Blue Wave was not 2018. Our Blue Wave can come in 2020.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)up in 2020 and Democrats have to defend 11. Almost the exact opposite from last night.
Edited for spelling
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)pazzyanne
(6,551 posts)For all the reasons that you stated and I am in Resist and Persist mode this morning! Now is not the time to sink into a funk. It is the time to rest, plan, and go forward. We are in a lot better position this morning that we were yesterday (no matter where we live). We now have the ability to undo gerrymandering on a large scale with time to accomplish it before the next election. We have more power to do oversight that has teeth in it. We have a fresh, new, young crop of Democrats who are going to the House in January, many of them women! I am optimistic this morning and ready to roll up my sleeves for the 2020 election! I hope many of you are too. tRump is still in the White House and my primary goal is to move him out and reclaim democracy.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I feel good this morning. I'm ready to focus on the future.
still_one
(92,187 posts)governorships.
We are set in 2020 with some very dynamic and energentic candidates
The face of the Democratic party is moving toward a diversified demogrphic led by women, minorities, young people. That is the future. The face of the republican party is a fading demographic. The writing is on the wall, and they know it.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)What the hell has wallowing ever gotten anyone? Especially when there is much to celebrate.
still_one
(92,187 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)DC is, of course, important but local races are where so much gets actually done. Especially in census years.
catbyte
(34,376 posts)But she still lost, so it was great. You're thinking of David Ermhold, and the Democratic winner is Elwood Claudell.
Gay man loses bid to challenge Kentucky clerk Kim Davis, who denied same-sex marriages
MOREHEAD, Ky. A gay man in eastern Kentucky has lost his bid to challenge Republican county clerk Kim Davis, who went to jail three years ago for denying him and others marriage licenses in the aftermath of an historic U.S. Supreme Court decision.
David Ermold sought the Democratic nomination in Tuesdays primary in Rowan County, Kentucky. He lost to Elwood Caudill in a four-way Democratic primary, despite a campaign that raised more than $200,000 with donations from at least 48 states.
Caudill will face Davis, the religious conservative who said in 2015 that Gods authority prevented her from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, in November. No one challenged Davis for the Republican nomination.
https://www.news-press.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/22/rowan-county-clerk-primary-election-results/635466002/
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I could have sworn I read she lost to Mr. ermhold It was a late night. But still very sweet.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Shoulda been a rout? This country was staring into the abyss, and weve been yanked back. The power of the ruling Party in the House is nothing to sneeze at. The future trends Democratic, not Republican.
For some the glass is always half empty.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)I guess I'm just always amazed that so many Americans are just fine with out and out racism and corruption. The Senate favors us in 2020 which is a good thing.
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)If you don't agree with my statement , then say so .
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Not everyone looks at this place as a discussion board. Kinda weird in a way but it's a reality. But some want it to be something more of a pep rally than anything else.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)TNNurse
(6,926 posts)People have seen what the GOP has and will do and in TN they won. In other states openly racist people won. Who knows what will happen in GA, I fear that cheaters will win.
If I were a GOP supporting person who claims to be a Christian, I would be afraid to walk into a real church or to die and face my fate.
Sudsy
(58 posts)around my community have convinced their flocks that Trump is the Second Coming, that people who don't support Republicans are enemies of Jesus, are beyond redemption, and are all deservedly going to hell.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)Now, I desperately hope it exists. I would like them to pay for their sins here on Earth first.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)We sure do seem inundated with those types here in TN, even outside of Nashville. White, evangelical, nutters who seem to fear everything that is "other" and don't seem content unless they can assimilate you into their beliefs.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)that this is more disappointing than 16...Walker lost ...Heller lost....there was good last night. We always had a tough Senate map...and with the gerrymander in place in many areas...winning the house is huge.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)literally everyone I supported in TN lost. Racists won in FL and Texas and probably in GA. Republicans elected a dead man in Nevada and at least two people under indictment in other states.
I am thrilled about the House victory. It will however give Trump more fuel to whine. The House cannot fix everything.
People voted for openly racist candidates, people in TN voted for a woman who should be under criminal indictment.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)and the fact that so many stood in line for hours to vote for the likes of DeSantis, Kemp, Cruz, Hunter, Collins, the list goes on.
It is really mind boggling.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Who lost? D Senators from red states who were an anamoly in the first place. Its not like Claire McCaskill was running as a D in California.
The surprise isnt that these particular Ds lost in 2018. The surprise is that they won in the first place in red states, and that they were able to hold onto their seats for more than one term.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)because that's who draws the district lines after the 2020 census. And lots of people have moved so we can make congressional districts more competitive in the future.
Act locally. It will make an enormous difference real soon.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)What we saw yesterday is that we fell short in the big ticket state races - Florida & Georgia - we had a smaller key wins in Wisky, but ...
Here in PA, we got lucky that there was a judicial avenue to clean up our absurd congressional district, which got us a 9-9 split, which was a big improvement over the 6-12 split, so that is good. But, it was a 9-9 split when Wolfe and Casey won really big walk away wins - our congressional representation needed the upticket races to boat race the complete loons they were facing to just get the even split.
Our absurdly gerrymandered state wide districts still hold, and with it the Rs having solid majorities in both chambers, again after a "wave" election.
We did all we could possible hope for, but people just can't help indulging their fuck wittery.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)meluvrem
(22 posts)Let's lick our wounds and plan next strategy. I could not get anyone to comment on the massacre the Monday after. All was feetball, basket feet ball. So I'm glad for little victory. Keep in mind the many people don't have cable or phones with internet. Right wing radio in everywhere.
I had Stephanie on one day in my car and Malcolm was on. The person I was carpooling with that day had never heard of Malcolm Nance or progressive voices. I think it woke him a bit.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)No more excuses for not indicting a bunch of people. Elections over. Batter up bob.
onetexan
(13,040 posts)Gaining back the House is a BIG accomplishment. Listen to what the MSNBC hosts mention what this means - this effectively ends the ONE PARTY RULE:
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/one-party-rule-comes-to-an-end-in-washington-1364013123597?v=raila&
While we didn't win control of the Senate and in the other big races (Beto in Tx & GA/FL governorships) they weren't a sure thing. We knew the difficulties going in. Setting out expectations for a full sweep was way too unrealistic (circa 2016).
We all know the country is sick, yes, but one thing at a time. We got one Lever of Power back. This achievement should embolden us with greater resolve to continue the resistance and fight on.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)There was never any real chance of taking the Senate. Best case scenario was 52/48 for the GOP. It was disappointing that both Beto and Nelson lost, but really we have to stop paying so much attention to general polls and fund raising. I was noticing here in Florida that, yes, in Orange County and the like you'd see alot of Gillum signs. But get out into Lake County and it was reversed. I kept saying that we needed to understand what was happening north of Gainesville.
Expectations were way too high, and I think in a way we can thank the national media which was hyping this election.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)we are a center right country. I am a liberal. I don't get how anyone isn't a liberal, but I know they are often not. Also, most Republicans will vote for horrible candidates in order to get their policy. And we have to start voting straight Democratic tickets in every election as many of us did yesterday and not withhold our votes waiting for a perfect candidate as has happened before - most recently in 2016. Also, we need conservadems in order to hold power...we won yesterday in red areas. We are not going to get the progressive paradise we long for. But we can strengthen Social Security, the ACA, Medicare and Medicaid. Maybe we can fix an unpopular tax cut for the rich. We hold the purse strings now...Gridlock never looked so good. And we fucking stopped Trump cold. That works for me. I don't like the environment we find ourselves in now, but for God's sake let us accept reality for now and work our asses off to change hearts and minds.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... tired of being punched in the face.
JCK is redder than the reddest counties in the US and voted dem cause how much "center right" decimated the state.
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Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)in order to have a majority... you want a liberal America? I do too...but attacking the Democratic Party candidates who are not perceived as liberal enough won't do it (not saying you do this)...win hearts and minds. In the meantime, always vote Democratic. I won't give any money to Move On anymore as they pulled support from red state Democrats...shortsighted and self defeating. We picked candidates who could win in their district and/or state. It was a good night.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)And in Presidential years they are 1 in 7 in terms of popular vote.
I don't think we are center right. Especially when you poll policy.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)which influences the popular vote doesn't mean, we can run in other states as liberals. Damn, I wish we could.
But I will work with what I have. The Democratic candidates who won statewide races ran moderate campaigns mostly...the exception being Sherrod Brown but he is known and loved in Ohio.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Moderate is losing Arizona oh I know a liberal would do worse a liberal cant win even though we are right. I will support the candidates I want and you can support the candidates you want. A couple of Close losses but moderates win and lose elections all the time.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)It is what it is, and we have to step back, take a breathe, and get ready for the epic battle of 2020.
But, it was a very weak hold. We may have staved out 45 being able to run complete unchecked going into 2020, but it should have been as you noted a complete washout.
GOOD people like Gillum, Beto, Abams lost - this country reelected scumbags like Collins and Hunter, Kemp was rewarded for doing things that this country N E V E R would have put up with prior to 45 ...
1/3 of us put everything we had into it, 1/3 of us a poisoned beyond any hope and matched our passion, and 1/3 of us somehow can't stop indulging the sickness of conservatism.
pazzyanne
(6,551 posts)Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)as much as the walls keep closing in ...
pazzyanne
(6,551 posts)My pessimism has been buried and my optimism is reborn!
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Throw in that it's Trump...and we did pretty bad, actually. This doesn't portend well for the 2020 election.
The Dem leaders should have a pow wow to figure out how to win. Who they are not appealing to. Why people are going for the opposing party. Some soul searching. (Oops...sorry...I'm not supposed to say that the Dem leaders are in control. I think I'm supposed to always say that everything is hte voters' fault.)
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)+9% popular vote edge for Dems This would be a bigger blowout if not for Gerry meandering. It is tough to battle the propaganda.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That's the whole state voting for the candidate.
BUT...the Democrats picked up 6 governorships. Those districts can now be redrawn...if we hold those states up to the time we can redraw them. They can be redrawn only at certain intervals, I believe.
Both parties gerrymander. We need to get back on that, when we can.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)As far as the Senate the odds were always in the GOP favor because of the states in question.
I back independent redristricting where Arizona gave a 5-4 edge in favor of Democrats.
Van Jones pointed out last night that because of gerrymandering, democrats have to do 10% better just to keep pace.
I'm going to be curious to see vote totals. I'd bet a good bit that when all the votes are totaled, the democrats got more votes for senators than the republicans did.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Taking the house is HUGE. The republicans got killed in the suburbs last night, after decades of taking them. The senate map is flipped in 2020 where we have to defend only 11 seats to their 22. I'm good this morning.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)study war no more
(73 posts)While my choice for state house won (Yay Bob Freeman) and my US rep won re-election (Yay Jim Cooper), TN elected yet another republican governor and that horrible woman Marsha Blackburn for senate. I don't get it. It's like the more they said they supported the rump, the more votes they got. Is this what the country has become? Maybe we should start a reverse caravan.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)A REALLY good dem governor and a solid dem senator won really big wins against complete loons running against them.
But, despite the boat race wins at the top of the ticket, and newly appropriately set congressional map, we managed an even 9-9 split in congress.
AND, the Rs maintained solid majorities in both chambers of the state house.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...is sick. And Trumpism is a kind of plague on the planet now.
As you say---it should have been a rout, an overthrow.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)This isn't a tv drama, people don't magically see the light and swing an election in a massive crush the way you'd like it. We're rebuilding this Trump-fucked country in steps. Small steps.
Jesus, the Bitter Bettys this morning.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)Scott "Piece of Shit" Walker lost, JB won, lots of good stuff in state/local races.
AND THE GODDAMN HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Maxheader
(4,373 posts)Democrats felt the same way about reagan and bush..Such a couple
of screw-ups..dangerous screw-ups..How could they possibly gain a 2nd
term...?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Pelosi is addressing gerrymandering in the first 30 days.
still_one
(92,187 posts)that had propositions that voted for an independent non-partisan commission to deal with redistricting in those states.
That along with the fact that we won 5 to 6 governorships means change is in the air
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Lost our dem Senator which is a blow but we took back the people's house and ended total GOP control thank God!
still_one
(92,187 posts)thing. Harry Truman would be proud, and Dewey would not have won
treestar
(82,383 posts)so it is pretty nice that we got the House.
Some right-wing pundit was going on about the economy on the TV machine - saying it shouldn't even be close because of that.
So right and decency prevailed in some way.
zeusdogmom
(991 posts)We have to start winning the hearts and minds of more in the red middle of the country states for the electoral college to work in our favor. This is a huge swath of red, trump loving country. And you know Trump is not going to change his MO because it works so successfully for him. So how do our candidates reach the country with their better message?
sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)It's great that we will have the committee's in the House, but the Senate can rubber stamp Don the Con's appointees, including those for all US courts, appellate courts and SCOTUS, and we can't stop any of it.
The real power is in the Senate. Senators are voted on statewide and the news last night is that the GOP controls more turf than we do. And then There's that pesky electoral college. Look at the map.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Things are going to look very different two years from now. He's still riding Obama's economic wave.
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)Stick around. We're just getting warmed up.