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John Dean thinks it's highly likely that Mueller already has (Original Post) mobeau69 Nov 2018 OP
I hope John Dean is right, and I hope Mueller will act promptly! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2018 #1
Please let this be true! LW1977 Nov 2018 #2
I hope so. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #3
I hope Dean is right still_one Nov 2018 #4
may be too late to release them. nt msongs Nov 2018 #5
You honestly think TRUMP & Co are SMARTER than Robert Mueller??? Onward AND Upward Nov 2018 #7
this question is so reassuring renate Nov 2018 #11
Just dicussed on MSNBC Mueller has 3 options with the info... Onward AND Upward Nov 2018 #13
thank you! renate Nov 2018 #14
It's probably already in process; some parts will happen automatically... lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #18
Welcome to DU, Onward AND Upward. calimary Nov 2018 #19
Yes. He can't release them after he's fired. marybourg Nov 2018 #28
Mueller is a REPUBLICAN. You think he's a genius? nt MadDAsHell Nov 2018 #33
Yes. Actually I do. TomSlick Nov 2018 #34
Who cares? Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #40
Disagree. All republicans and conservatives are evil. Anyone not a registered Dem is, in fact. nt MadDAsHell Nov 2018 #42
That is not true Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #43
From Dean's lips to god's ears. Jim__ Nov 2018 #6
Agreed... agingdem Nov 2018 #8
If Trump tried to shut down the Mueller investigation avebury Nov 2018 #9
From what I've heard about Mueller riverwalker Nov 2018 #10
Absolutely. GoCubsGo Nov 2018 #17
I agree with Dean ooky Nov 2018 #12
Cool! displacedtexan Nov 2018 #15
Mueller is not stupid. He has planned for this moment since Day 1. lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #16
Sealed or not... getagrip_already Nov 2018 #20
I believe they have divvied mikeysnot Nov 2018 #32
Patiently waiting to see what happens apkhgp Nov 2018 #21
But apparently Mueller wasn't aware this was indictment Wednesday. grantcart Nov 2018 #22
I think he is proceeding like FDR did against the Axis powers ZeroSomeBrains Nov 2018 #23
Haha! Cha Nov 2018 #24
Yes indeed! flamingdem Nov 2018 #44
Cheers flamingdem! Cha Nov 2018 #45
like I said in another thread. . . what are they waiting for? pdsimdars Nov 2018 #25
Indeed. What? Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #27
... and TX? fierywoman Nov 2018 #29
AND TX. So they cheated and stole the SC and now cheated and stole the Senate who appoints the next Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #30
I have no doubt that Mueller has put into place some kind of dead-man's switch The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #26
Yeah...we're all SOOOO sure Muellers got this. I'm not so confident. All eggs-1 basket. no. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #35
Have you ever conducted a federal criminal investigation? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #37
Have you? Youre pretty confident. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #38
Well, I've handled cases in federal court, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #39
Born-To-Run-The-Numbers said as much back in March DinahMoeHum Nov 2018 #31
Yeah. Glad you're so confident. Just words on a page to me. We need the same butt moving action Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #36
Hmmm. If Dean says so that gives this a lot of credence. triron Nov 2018 #41

renate

(13,776 posts)
11. this question is so reassuring
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:53 PM
Nov 2018

Of course they aren't. I'm plotzing at the moment (we don't even get a day to catch our breath?!?!), but you're absolutely right!

Onward AND Upward

(122 posts)
13. Just dicussed on MSNBC Mueller has 3 options with the info...
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:07 PM
Nov 2018

1. Immediately release a report.
2. Immediately release a report to the Grand Jury (which he's most likely been sharing the info with), and file for an indictment.
3. Hand off the info to another agency to pursue.

renate

(13,776 posts)
14. thank you!
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:19 PM
Nov 2018

I wonder whether Mueller got permission from Rosenstein already to proceed with any of these--would the authorization have to be done in real time, or could it be preemptive?

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
18. It's probably already in process; some parts will happen automatically...
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:27 PM
Nov 2018

...even if Mueller is gone.

calimary

(81,179 posts)
19. Welcome to DU, Onward AND Upward.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 06:19 PM
Nov 2018

I hope he's had this all ready to go, triggered with a single phone call.

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
40. Who cares?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:02 AM
Nov 2018

Mueller being a republican is irrelevant. He's a conservative too.

Big deal. Republicans are not evil, nor are conservatives. They have different views than Dems/liberals - which used to be acceptable.

Trumpublicans and Trumpservatives are evil. They have a whole different ideology than Dems/liberals and traditional republicans/conservatives.

Mueller is in the first camp, not the latter.

Also, he is more a genius than you or I, so...

Jim__

(14,072 posts)
6. From Dean's lips to god's ears.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:40 PM
Nov 2018

Does the US have any kind of legitimate government if the president can prevent any investigation into his own corruption? I don't think so.

agingdem

(7,827 posts)
8. Agreed...
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:41 PM
Nov 2018

this is like Trump firing Comey and bragging he fired him to shut down Russia investigation... like Mueller didn't see this coming...of course he did...

avebury

(10,952 posts)
9. If Trump tried to shut down the Mueller investigation
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:45 PM
Nov 2018

the first thing that the Democrats in the house should do in the next session is submit a request for the Treasury to fork over Trump's tax returns.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
17. Absolutely.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:26 PM
Nov 2018

This is the guy who hired the country's 16 top financial crimes lawyers on his very first afternoon on the job. He probably has Plans E-ZZZ, too.

ooky

(8,920 posts)
12. I agree with Dean
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:59 PM
Nov 2018

No way I can blieve a professional like Mueller wouldn't have anticipated and prepared for this.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. Mueller is not stupid. He has planned for this moment since Day 1.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:22 PM
Nov 2018

Buckle up, kids! It's going to be a wild ride.

getagrip_already

(14,674 posts)
20. Sealed or not...
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 06:28 PM
Nov 2018

He will need rosensteins approval to unseal them. Per tbe memo authorizing him, he isnt independent.

If rosenstein is gone, then tbe solicitor general slides in.

You know, the guy they gave a secret ethics waiver to so be would be able to oversee muehler.

apkhgp

(1,068 posts)
21. Patiently waiting to see what happens
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 06:30 PM
Nov 2018

Indictment
Trial
Verdict
Sentencing
Prison Term
Probation

Just patiently waiting.

ZeroSomeBrains

(638 posts)
23. I think he is proceeding like FDR did against the Axis powers
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 06:41 PM
Nov 2018

FDR waited to declare war against Hitler after Pearl Harbor until Hitler did so. Being shrewd means playing coy until you absolutely have to show your hand. He knows the House Democrats have his back when they are in the majority so he can be patient. And he knows Drumpf will act like an imbecile and go off firing him so waiting might be the best option.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
25. like I said in another thread. . . what are they waiting for?
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 06:49 PM
Nov 2018

The longer they wait the more Trump maneuvers.
"ready to release". . . what is he waiting for?

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
27. Indeed. What?
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 06:51 PM
Nov 2018

For the russian in the WH to do something so we just react again. The election is over. America spoke. They cheated the senate races in FLA and GA and we knowit...now lets just paddycake it. So so tired of this daily churning.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
30. AND TX. So they cheated and stole the SC and now cheated and stole the Senate who appoints the next
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 06:58 PM
Nov 2018

one...nothing to see here. Move along...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
26. I have no doubt that Mueller has put into place some kind of dead-man's switch
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 06:50 PM
Nov 2018

in anticipation of exactly this circumstance.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
35. Yeah...we're all SOOOO sure Muellers got this. I'm not so confident. All eggs-1 basket. no.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:45 PM
Nov 2018

Bobby M needs to drop some charges...LIKE TOMORROW BOB.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
38. Have you? Youre pretty confident.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:54 PM
Nov 2018

Enlighten us. What will be left to save Velveteen? Lets all just sit around another year eh?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
39. Well, I've handled cases in federal court,
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:00 AM
Nov 2018

dealt with the FBI when they were investigating a client in a bank fraud case, and taught constitutional law, although a long time ago. I've never investigated a president, but I've got some experience and knowledge about the federal criminal investigation process. And, more importantly, based on comments from people who have worked directly with Bob Mueller - all of whom have expressed confidence that he's ahead of Trump and his stooges - I believe Mueller knows what he's doing and will manage to keep the investigation going.

DinahMoeHum

(21,783 posts)
31. Born-To-Run-The-Numbers said as much back in March
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 07:18 PM
Nov 2018
http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2018/03/in-case-of-firing-pull-here.html

Here’s our theory. If word flashed out on the newswires that Donald Trump has removed Jeff Sessions, Robert Mueller will immediately – before Trump can get to his next step -- deliver his findings on obstruction to Rod Rosenstein. Once that report is officially in the hands of Rosenstein and the DOJ, it will be impossible to suppress it.

In short, if Donald Trump fires Robert Mueller, Mueller will instantly activate a report that details truly impeachable offenses. Trump will have pulled the trigger on his own demise.

And how about Mueller’s unusual decision to let word get out into the press that he had already reached his conclusion on obstruction?

We’d love to think that Mueller was just sending a coded message over to the legal team at the White House. Tell your boy that if he fires me, the shit hits the fan, all right... but it will be far more toxic radioactive waste than Trump was banking on.

Robert Mueller has been one step ahead of everyone since he and his investigative team first set up shop. . .My money is on Mueller.

Let the endgame begin.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
36. Yeah. Glad you're so confident. Just words on a page to me. We need the same butt moving action
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:47 PM
Nov 2018

from Mueller the Country required of 2/3rds of America in getting out and voting. YOUR MOVE BOB.

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