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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTucker Carlson is a racist a*hole, but this is just wrong
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/08/they-were-threatening-me-my-family-tucker-carlsons-home-targeted-by-protesters/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.20a179ebaac6We know where you sleep at night: Protesters surround Tucker Carlsons home
A group of protesters gathered outside the Northwest D.C. home of Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Nov. 7. (Drea Cornejo/The Washington Post)
Boycott advertisers, but physically threatening someone at his home, with his family present will not produce the results the protesters hope for.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)of all the fucks I give:
boo fucking hoo for Tucker "Fuckboy" Carlson
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)at home. This isn't supposed to be who we are.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)We are better than this. Thank you for this reminder.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)are an existential threat to many people who have wives and children
dchill
(40,048 posts)ck4829
(35,673 posts)Doremus
(7,263 posts)LAS14
(14,382 posts)Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)Nobody is trying to string up the dickweed from the streetlights or anything.
Spew shit, get shit in return.
So tough shit for the buttercup, he needs to get to sucking it up.
True Dough
(19,751 posts)and see how quickly you change your mind.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)how endearing.
You can come here if you want, do you like mayo or mustard on your sandwiches? I suppose you guys will be hungry by the time you get here.
Plus, we don't serve alcoholic beverages, so you'll have to settle for Diet Pepsi or plain water. From the tap.
Do you like dogs? No children here, just a couple of dogs. But they like to play though.
True Dough
(19,751 posts)I can't stand Tucker Carlson, but I wouldn't advocate scaring the shit out of anyone's kids to try to make yourselves feel better. C'mon! You think Tucker is going to change his stance on anything one bit due to an angry protest outside his home?
This only further inflames the alt-right. It edges things closer to violence between the Proud Boys and the Antifa types. There's no solution there.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)It is rather touching that you have so much sympathy for racists though. Fuckboy Carlson shouldn't put his children in that position. There are consequences to actions. Give shit out, get shit in return.
Nice ad hominem! Shows you probably have nothing of value to actually contribute.
Fuck what Tucker Carlson thinks, fuck what the alt-right thinks. Why are you so concerned about what they think anyway? Why do you have sympathy for racists? Come clean, it's okay.
Bless your heart, dear.
True Dough
(19,751 posts)Put his kids in detention centers with the immigrant children rather than have them at home?
Keep stacking up the wrongs to see if you can make a right. You're the real valuable contributor here. Just ducky!
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)you're spoiling for something, hope you figure out where you actually stand.
You're very adamant and consistent in your defense of and sympathy for racists though - it shows real commitment.
True Dough
(19,751 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)That position is what the right wing has said about separated immigrant children and those with DACA.
Has tucker used that one himself?
gopiscrap
(24,118 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)gopiscrap
(24,118 posts)Johnny2X2X
(21,357 posts)This is a group that we on the left bare no responsibility for. They are responsible for themselves, not us.
Seeking Serenity
(2,915 posts)May not supposed to be, but, regrettably, it is who we are now. Just read the comments in this thread for confirmation of that :
Boo [effing] hoo. I don't care. If only he'd become a progressive Democrat, this wouldn't happen to him or his family. He deserved it. He probably staged it on his own. I don't believe it happened, but so what if it did?
Et cetera, et cetera.
So yeah, it is who we, as progressives, are now. Not all participate, but most support this kind of stuff (or even worse) Get used to it.
By all means, please call it out and denounce it, loudly and forcefully. But be prepared to be called a Nazi for doing so and to be banned from progressive forums. Or you could stay silent and thus be complicit. Or you could join in. Or you could leave. At the end of the day, those are your only choices.
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)rights too...I don't give two shits about Tucker's situation.
gopiscrap
(24,118 posts)Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)threaten anyone who disagrees with Trump...if there is a camera...why no arrests if this is true? Thanks!
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)was a lie....new it was untrue...no arrests.
LenaBaby61
(6,991 posts)Same here. FUCK HIM.
He spews racism like he's a fountain. He's also the same person who thinks cops should use black folks for target practice (Philando Castile), and oh if they get murdered because the cops are SCARED so fucking what. Feel sorry for that? Uh NOPE.
Karma is a beyotch IF this story is even true, because he put his family into harms way, but then again, I don't believe most of the shit coming out of a FAUX news person's lying, racist mouth (Shep Smith/Juan Williams are the exceptions, & Sometimes Chris Wallace shows signs of having some decency).
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)Ms. Toad
(35,298 posts)If we condone this kind of behavior because we disagree with their politics, then we have to accept that what their side did because they believe Dr. Blasey Ford was a policital hack who was lying is also acceptable.
EleanorR
(2,430 posts)Ms. Toad
(35,298 posts)I know exactly what happened - and it is not the kind of tactics we ought to be using.
Standing outside a person's house, shouting veiled threats, "we know where you sleep at night, and, Well be back! We wont tell you when! is not an appropriate response to a political difference.
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)... I'll wait, these bastards are Russian level propagandist
Fuck Carlson
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)/sarc.
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)And he was loudly impugning her.
Everyone's family should be off-limits, of course. But these people only object when they're the target, and that should be pointed out.
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)It's a very American thing to do.
Permanut
(6,517 posts)This board is full of "judgements", otherwise known as opinions.
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)That's a 5 year-old's opinion.
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)happened. Also, I don't give two shits about Tucker.
krawhitham
(4,832 posts)budkin
(6,849 posts)He makes life more dangerous for other peoples' families, why should his family be spared?
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)drug dealer's kid hooked on drugs?
Just to be clear, I don't think this would be justified if that piece of shit Tucker lived alone. He has a legal right to spread his racism and bullshit on that bullshit propaganda station that's been a thorn in our national discourse for 20 years until someone decides that he doesn't. People, however, don't have a legal right to follow him home and commit acts of criminal trespassing, disturbing the peace, intimidation, communicating threats, etc. The fact that he has a wife and young children only makes it worse.
Are you all 10 years old or something? This isn't how you beat the ideology of hatred. You go at it with knowledge and reason.
As an aside, if some clowns holed my wife up in the kitchen cupboard because they didn't like my politics I'd knock their goddamned heads off.
gopiscrap
(24,118 posts)and his neighbors. One of the problems in letting tuckers shit go unchecked is that his evil spawn will take on the same opinions of the father... perhaps if they see that people hate their foather for his vile opinions and they will be shunned they'll eithefr shut the fuck up when they are adults or they will change their opinions
gopiscrap
(24,118 posts)nothing changes unless it directly impacts these fuckers families
still_one
(95,502 posts)sure they don't represent most if not all here.
They speak only for themselves.
As for Hannity, if he is being harassed in his residence by these protesters, he should call the cops on them
gopiscrap
(24,118 posts)we need to start fighting fire with fire otherwise they will just run over us
Butterflylady
(3,919 posts)he spews his racist views.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)center in the middle of the desert. I hear it's just like summer camp!
gopiscrap
(24,118 posts)we have got to quit playing nice...there has to be PERSONAL consequences for assholes, otherwise they will just get bolder
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)It's not my thing (I live in DC and have seen him out and about a time or two) but if you want to heckle him on the sidewalk or at the gym or whatever, be my guest. He's a giant, racist douchebag (or pretends to be) and deserves no respect. But leave a man be in and near his home.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)but won't change a thing.
Boycott his advertisers.
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)sponsors are and don't care. He's toxic, but he's found his already toxic audience. And I wouldn't heckle him. I'm saying if that's someone's particular jam, have at. Disturbing a man's home, however, is fucked up. Full stop. It's extra fucked up when he has four small children.
Anyone who can't see that can't be reasoned with. We have laws of war that at least are supposed to prevent this kind of shit in times of literal pitched conflict.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Families should be off-limits.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)might just need to suck it up, being the special snowflake he is.
oh, and "fuck his feelings."
EllieBC
(3,286 posts)But his kids should be off limits.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)Liberals are not going to intentionally feed Trumps mob narrative, and anything Antifa immediately raises red flags.
irresistable
(989 posts)the right will do anything.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)crisis actors when its actually they, RWNJ assholes, doing the acting. 😡😈😠 Not sure if this is what happened here, just that it wouldnt surprise me.
stonecutter357
(12,761 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)Not impossible.
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)Odoreida
(1,549 posts)... Antifa being hunted down and exterminated.
Do you really out that past Trump?
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)Odoreida
(1,549 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)Theres no legitimate liberal organization known as Antifa though.
Its a right wing bogeyman.
Odoreida
(1,549 posts)irresistable
(989 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)People claiming to be "Antifa" are either anarchists who just like chaos for chaos sake, or I suspect agent provocateurs of sorts meant to make the left look bad.
We're talking about people who claim they need to wear masks all the time. I mean....why? If I'm going to protest, you're going to see my face.
We didn't hear anything about "Antifa" until Trump was elected and after that, any event where there are left leaning protesters involved where there is any sort of chaos or violence, it always comes as a result of "Antifa."
It just reeks so much of bullshit.
eShirl
(18,722 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)it could actually lead to crackdowns on protests, maybe even lethal force being used against peaceful protesters. I don't think that we want that.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)The problem rests in the fact that you cannot control what you cant actually control.
Odoreida
(1,549 posts)... agents provocateurs maybe?
I certainly encountered enough of those back in the Vietnam era.
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)Or do you think these are fake websites/feeds run by Russians? Examples exist in many other cities.
https://atlantaantifa.org/
https://mobile.twitter.com/afainatl?lang=en
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)Do the "Atlanta Antifa" have regular meetings? What are the requirements to join? What are the monthly dues? Who brings donuts?
Or do they just have a website?
There are real people who dress up in masks and create havoc for reasons unknown (IMHO most likely either because they like chaos or they are there to make liberals look violent) but as far as these groups existing as legitimate, real organizations advancing liberal interests......they don't.
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)The real false flag isn't the existence of Antifa itself. It's the association of liberals and Democrats with Antifa, when there is basically no overlap. If you read their literature, you will see that they are critical of liberals, and that liberal society will allow fascist organizing that they find unacceptable. They also believe voting is useless and do not advocate for Democrats.
To answer your questions about their authenticity, this investigative reporter and newspaper interviewed some and believes they are real.
https://www.myajc.com/news/national-govt--politics/ajc-watchdog-who-are-trump-troublemakers/BEPqz8EiEkzZ5MPamlH5cJ/
That article is linked to others about their disruption of a Stone Mountain rally. You may hit a paywall if you click too many.
I do not know if they have regular meetings, as I am not a member nor have I attempted to contact them. Most of what the Atlanta group does is mundane: doxxing racist organizers and tearing down racist flyers they find around the city. But the occasional "direct action" they engage in makes a big ruckus and is thus easier to find on Google.
The rather mundane content of much of their actions and writings also gives me a gut feeling that they are real. It is just too much slow and steady work over the years to be a false flag operation, and not be exposed by now. The Atlanta group will link to other Antifa twitter feeds in other cities, and thus I assume those other groups are real as well. Occasionally they will accuse a given feed of being false flag as well.
If you believe this group is fake, do let me know your reasons. I would feel foolish if that were the case, but I would not want to be on here pushing false info.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)I just don't see them as a legitimate organization and the fact they shroud themselves in so much secrecy about everything (hiding names and faces, etc.) to the point where you can't even directly verbally communicate with them.
And that makes me question what ulterior motives they have in doing whatever it is they do, and who might be promoting them.
I suppose they could just be legitimate anarchists who hate everybody and love chaos. But their name has been used so much by the right in associating the left with violence that I wonder about certain events they are associated with.
And this being Tucker Carlson, creator of the Daily Caller which is notorious for spreading misleading or outright false propaganda, I am especially circumspect here. The MAGABomber was an embarrassment for the right and an attempt to "both sides" political violence could be used to minimize that embarrassment.
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)It's not the dumbest thing for them to do if they are engaging in criminal activities. I am not attempting to draw a moral equivalency between Antifa and the Klan, but rather am countering the point of anonymous = fake. Also, that reporter was able to communicate with them, and as with government leakers and those in the criminal underworld, the reporter protected their anonymity.
While Antifa argues that their direct actions are "community self-defense", the law views some of them as criminal, and their fascist targets might want to hurt them, so they have every reason to hide their identities.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)the right wing narrative always makes it's way into DU...
vi5
(13,305 posts)....their presence has been smaller here in the US until recently with the rise of racism, but just because the folks on here are just hearing about them and just learning about their works doesn't mean they aren't a real thing or as some like to say a "russian front group" or whatever else.
And they've saved many a friend of mine from a beating at the hands of neo nazis, and protected those of who have lived in parts of the country dealing with this scourge long before Trump was a glimmer in the eye of the Republican party and while many on here have had their thumbs up their asses still believing in "bipartisanship" and "going high when they go low".
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)....here Tucker Carlson of Daily Caller infamy gets to say he is the victim of political violence right after the MAGABomber thing got eggs on the faces of so many of the right. The right has beat the "Antifa" horse to death just like they've beat the "George Soros" and "Saul Alinsky" horses to death and I'm just saying that it's a little too convenient of a "both sides" narrative to lessen the blow of recent instances of actual right-wing violence and extremism.
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)1. Many Americans, and the press, only are capable of putting political actors into two bins: left/liberal and right/conservative. Antifa get put into the left/liberal bin by the press and those who have a motive to do so.
2. In America, political violence has the opposite effect on public opinion as the effect desired by the violent actor, and this works in concert with #1 above. Right wing violence helps us and hurts Republicans. Left wing violence (less common nowadays) hurts us and helps Republicans.
But because it is inconvenient for us, does not mean we should not acknowledge the truth. I read a RW board where the members are quite detached from reality. You've probably heard of it. In their world, every white nationalist who commits violence is a false flag actor or a patsy, including the recent pipe bomber. They just will not accept reality when it is politically inconvenient for them. I do not want us to be like that.
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)irresistable
(989 posts)and no one is arrested?
That doesn't sound like the DC police that I know.
bullwinkle428
(20,639 posts)multiple pipe-bomb efforts against many of Shitler's outspoken critics.
jrthin
(4,919 posts)His show plays a part in working up racists and anti-semites that they feel they can send pipe bombs or walk into a church or synagogue and murder people.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,508 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)In It to Win It
(9,016 posts)I dislike Tucker Carlson. He weaponizes and radicalizes all the millions of people that watche that shit excuse of a television network...
But I dont agree with going to someones house and protesting or disturbing the peace. But at the same time, I feel like thats something you risk when you become a public figure... and at the same time, I couldnt care less about Fucker Carlson.
rzemanfl
(30,217 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)as I would for reading about the same thing happening to Josef Goebbels or Julius Streicher.
Thomas Hurt
(13,923 posts)should not be tactic of the left in America.
Baltimike
(4,415 posts)LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)justifying this, is it so out of the question that some actual liberals are involved in it? It's disgusting. This is little better than the "proud boys" and the rest of those fascist clowns.
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)it. I have no sympathy for those who lie for a living and spend their lives dividing our country...as you sow so shall you reap. Protest is an American right. fuck him.
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)And who's banging on your door simply because they think your politics are disgusting (which Tucker's definitely are)?
Yeah, fuck him. But this is stupid and so is your defense of fit.
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)going to lie.
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)You think she decided to start filing false police reports the day after an election to somehow move the needle with false flags?
Use your head. This is why many people see the far left as being as obtuse and unreasonable as the far right.
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)Highly implausible that some knuckleheads would harass a high-profile asshole like Tucker in DC...and film it. And post the film. And then have their accounts suspended.
You guys really sound like rightwing idiots with the false flag bullshit. Highly ideological and irrational people do stupid shit like this all the time. Sometimes people even get hurt.
irresistable
(989 posts)They don't break down doors. They don't joke about pipe bombs.
Also, they get arrested. This group is supposedly pounding on doors and cracking a door. They closed off the street.
Why weren't they arrested?
Baltimike
(4,415 posts)Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)turn a new leaf and join the human race.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)threats to a person's family are SO likely to change a person's mind.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)Tucker will have to make like a buttercup and suck it up.
"Fuck his feelings."
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)xor
(1,204 posts)Tucker is a smug jackass who I cannot stand, but what specific actions has he taken in your mind that justifies his family also being targeted by this? Like specifics, not some vague response that he's a racist fascist or whatever.
How do you feel about his wife and children's feelings?
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)MarvinGardens
(779 posts)https://atlantaantifa.org/
https://itsgoingdown.org/
Links are not an endorsement. Of course, they could be false russian troll sites, and some are, but I think the above examples are real.
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)What sort of legit organization doesn't even allow for direct personal communication?
I'd be very suspicious of any organization that doesn't allow me to directly speak to another human being.
Anyone can make a website or a social media account.
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)... MAGARacism
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)Baltimike
(4,415 posts)tenderfoot
(8,634 posts)eom
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Orchestrated by Ticker to be a victim and claim that it proves liberals are terrible people. It has a right wing flavor to it
yardwork
(63,674 posts)tenderfoot
(8,634 posts)hope they don't accidentally strangle themself by clutching those pearls too tightly.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)MrScorpio
(73,696 posts)All hes doing is milking victimhood for rwnj sympathy.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)he wasn't home, but his wife was.
I may not have much use for Carlson, but his wife shouldn't be intimidated. She's not on the air spewing hate.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)yodermon
(6,147 posts)I've *never* heard of "ANTIFA" until the trump administration.
And this is through Occupy wall st, bush war protests, WTO protests, etc.... i've seen black block / anarchists but never the term "ANTIFA".. until now.
If they are not an outright front group of agents provocateurs then they have been co-opted/radicalized by enemy agents.
NON VIOLENCE SHOULD BE A DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC OF ANY VALID PROTEST.
IF YOU PEOPLE COMMITTING OR ADVOCATING FOR VIOLENT ACTS, THEY ARE THE DE FACTO ENEMY AND SHOULD BE DENOUNCED, FULL STOP.
sorry for shouting
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,473 posts)Pisces
(5,778 posts)uponit7771
(91,308 posts)... connections between antifa and established leftist groups
This is a false flag op. Pure and simple. I'm pretty sure that the left learned its lesson with the weatherman op and SDS back in the day. This is a moldie oldie from the fascist's handbook of social engineering. Not only are you able to plant fear in law abiding leftists. You get to train up the young and.more violent allies in tactics.
vi5
(13,305 posts)Sorry, but many of us have heard of them long before Trump, and seen a lot of the good shit they've done protecting areas and communities that actually have had to deal with neo-nazis. Both here in the US and in other countries.
But by all means, continue asking the nazis and racists nicely to stop being so mean and beating and murdering people. Let me know how that works out for you.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Antifa is very real. Now, Tuckers tale is most likely fake new or gross exaggeration, but Antifa is a reality.
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)What about Kavanaugh's accuser? She had to move and received death threats...there are consequences for lying for living and being a racist piece of shit.
Generic Other
(28,999 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:45 AM - Edit history (1)
area51
(12,088 posts)I'm wondering if she and her family will ever be able to go back to their house. Thoughts & prayers, Fucker Carlson.
awesomerwb1
(4,487 posts)give the benefit of the doubt to these hate and racism promoters.
There is no bottom for these guys. HAVE WE NOT LEARNED THAT YET??? Really?
Everybody needs to be critical, skeptical first before leaping in defense of these rats.
So these protesters know soooo much about Carlson, where he lives etc, but didn't know what time his show airs? They didn't know he was not home?
Seems legit.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)violetpastille
(1,483 posts)Botany
(72,155 posts)I call total bullshit on this staged bit of performance art.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)DFW
(56,261 posts)The DAY after we take back the House? We didn't have the time to organize something like this. This sounds like a pure Republican operation from start to finish, tailor-made for Fox Noise. I'm betting not one Democrat knew of this before the press reported it.
KPN
(16,024 posts)I can't imagine any true Democrat throwing their body at the front door in an attempt to break it in. This is bullshit being orchestrated to validate physical oppression of protests and protestors they are certain to be faced with in the coming days.
Don't fall for this crap folks!
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)G_j
(40,425 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Back at you, Tucker.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Why should I believe this?
David__77
(23,863 posts)...
OnDoutside
(20,600 posts)ooky
(9,506 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)ooky
(9,506 posts)Saying it as fact. He has responsbility for the lies and hate he has spread.
mokawanis
(4,471 posts)is that Carlson is indeed a racist asshole.
Kaleva
(37,857 posts)These types are consumed by hatred and live in a dark place. No different then hardcore Trump supporters. One can't call them and their apologists progressives or liberals because progressives and liberals don't make threats against others nor do we support those who do such things.
yardwork
(63,674 posts)Kaleva
(37,857 posts)And these protesters could be radical right wingers involved in a false flag operation. Either way, they and their apologists are not progressives.
Response to Kaleva (Reply #103)
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Kaleva
(37,857 posts)My argument is that those who were involved and those who think this is okay are not progressives.
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)Would have been easier to believe before this very thread. Seems like a lot of people think this is either (1) okay or (2) implausibly fake, in spite of seeing it supported by some folks here.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Kaleva
(37,857 posts)Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)yardwork
(63,674 posts)Any evidence beyond Tucker's word? He's a known liar.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)The last time I looked, the account of the people who posted the video was suspended.
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)yardwork
(63,674 posts)And why would the video be taken down and their accounts suspended? That makes it sound like the video was discovered to be fake.
Tucker Carlson is known to be a liar. The right-wing is known to make stuff like this up to make Democrats look bad.
Pics or it didn't happen.
Initech
(101,455 posts)I've got a couple of accounts captured - in one tweet they're claiming that Tucker Carlson is an innocent victim, the next tweet they're threatening and harassing Jim Acosta. You can't claim one and then do the opposite, that is blatant hypocrisy.
No matter which side you're on this is definitely wrong though.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)I haven't seen anything about that in the news.
Initech
(101,455 posts)I'm sure someone will try this though. Then knowing the right, they'll blow it off as a false flag.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)David__77
(23,863 posts)I was, and am, gay. There were some other students who didn't like that, and who threatened me with physical harm. Some female students who I didn't even know vandalized businesses of the parents of those students who threatened me.
Also, I did know "antifa" of that time - anti-racist skinheads and other anti-racist activists. They offered to defend me physically, if needed. They were prepared to put themselves on the line - I appreciated that.
One of the students who threatened me soon thereafter approached me. While I don't recall exactly what he said to me, he said something to the effect that he didn't want to be associated with the threats that were made against me.
To the extent that the cost of being openly racist and fascist can be raised very high, fewer people will do it. I'm not advocating for what those activists did outside Tucker Carlson's home. I'm saying that some people will choose their privacy and home over being an asshole.
MontanaMama
(23,944 posts)I question whether the official existence of antifa at all since the RWNJ contingent constantly refers to them...sounds like propaganda to me. In light of the fact that our own WH is peddling doctored videos....If video of this even exists or existed, it may have been staged. So, IF this thing actually occurred, and I have my doubts...while Im all for publicly calling out fascists and racists. I do not support this when there are kids in the picture. Thats frightening as hell...they love their dad even though we abhor him and all he stands for. They only know him as their dad.
David__77
(23,863 posts)I find it pretty easy to predict the coming rise of "left-wing extremism," including armed left-wing activity, in the period ahead. There are organized, right-wing movements creating the political grounds from which bombers and shooters are emerging.
I will not condemn the idea of confrontation with fascists and racists.
Prior to "antifa," there was Anti-Racist Action, John Brown Anti-Klan Committee, and I'm sure other anti-fascist groups who were committed to depriving freedom of action to fascists.
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)... shit at this point.
"Antifa" is nothing like JBAKC etc
David__77
(23,863 posts)There are numerous Facebook groups, for instance, that refer to themselves as "antifa" and serve as hubs of organizing against fascists.
They're calling upon the imagery of the anti-Nazi German group Anti-Fascist Action.
Is there a single, official group called "Antifa?" No, there is not.
I do think there is such an entity as "antifa" - at least in my area.
vi5
(13,305 posts)...does not make it true. People's insistence on here of using that as a talking point that if they repeat it enough makes it true is just the same type of bullshit as the Republicans shouting "fake news" at things they don't like or want to admit.
BeyondGeography
(39,934 posts)Go back to be just annoying like he was in the Crossfire days from full-on fascist enabler.
Would pay a lot less but it would be better for the kids.
33taw
(2,684 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)get no sympathy from me... they want to wipe me & my family off the map, @ the ballot box and I am sure in many other ways.. because he wears a bow tie while doing it doesn't it make it OK
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Simply a few outliers who know no consequences or relevance.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I don't care where on the political spectrum this kind of thuggery and extremism currently comes from, we have a duty to stop it.
I'd remind those who disagree that aggressively hostile extremists are changeable and even frequently interchangeable. People who would block off Carlson's street and vandalize his home while issuing death threats today could be turned against someone you support another time.
The fascist and communist parties in Europe around this time last century were always trying to seduce the others' followers to themselves, and often succeeding. That's why "socialist' was tucked into the archconservative Nazi party's name and how some who started as zealots on the far left became jackbooted right wing thugs.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)- Turn my gay brother back into a non-person
- Strip my partner of her disability.
- Take away health insurance from our child
So yeah I take Carlson's ardent fascist apologia very, very personally.
Perhaps the protesters are wrong but truth be told I don't give a fuck what happens to this vile racist or his klan.
All my fucks are reserved for the people hurt by the kind of right wing asshattery this human cockroach espouses.
jcmaine72
(1,782 posts)No one was injured or physically intimidated. Antifa isn't even a centralized organization. It sounds more like a group of conscientious, like-minded people got together and held a peaceful vigil at the home of a known propagandist and racist. I don't see any other facts that contradict that.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)on the so called center (corporate media included), to shit on the left, this is what we have right here..
It's the whole, disturbing good folks at restaurants compared with actual violence/murders from the right narrative all over again.. rinse & repeat
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)That doesn't sound like a "peaceful vigil" to me.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)George Soros must have paid for this, right?
BlueIndyBlue
(96 posts)Link to tweet
True Dough
(19,751 posts)Sound reasoning.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Initech
(101,455 posts)RelativelyJones
(898 posts)Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)No arrests
Just a Weirdo
(488 posts)Come back later..
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)Response to MichMary (Original post)
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kacekwl
(7,394 posts)crap for him to whine about to his brain dead viewers. No help for us at all.
Paladin
(28,697 posts)Initech
(101,455 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Response to MichMary (Original post)
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