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Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:03 PM Nov 2018

I think the tide will turn on Republicans against trump.

Just take my town .. We are so red that the only election that mattered was the republican Primary.

Last year we won our first council seat.

What happened this year? We swept them. We won both council seats and Mayoral race.

Republicans in my town are shell shocked. The normally noisy town forum has gone pin drop silent.

Yes the Republican Mayor is a bully and lots of folks dont like him... But we know and they know .. Democrats got a huge assist out of Trump.

At some point it will dawn on wealthy suburban Republicans that Trump is a fucking liability. They will be angry and that anger is going to bubble up.

Wait and watch.

And get the popcorn ready

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I think the tide will turn on Republicans against trump. (Original Post) Le Gaucher Nov 2018 OP
I will believe it when I see it. madashelltoo Nov 2018 #1
I'm not sure I share your optimism, although I would like to. Aristus Nov 2018 #2
I think we are a divided country for another 20 years qazplm135 Nov 2018 #3
Any room for possibly being LESS divided? Hortensis Nov 2018 #14
Ive said/posted that countless times Cosmocat Nov 2018 #28
not on board with that.... getagrip_already Nov 2018 #4
many republicans saw donnie as a train wreck from the day he won his first primary. unblock Nov 2018 #5
But until they see the other poisonous aspects of Republican Doctrine there will be no change RainCaster Nov 2018 #31
indeed. the fundamental problem is they turned it into a cult. unblock Nov 2018 #33
Signs of hope in Boise ID Zambero Nov 2018 #6
We might live in the same place JustAnotherGen Nov 2018 #7
I was at Malinowski's party in Embassy Suites -- were you there too? Le Gaucher Nov 2018 #9
No . . . JustAnotherGen Nov 2018 #10
Yep. Every GOPer that wants to run for office in 2020 has to decide tanyev Nov 2018 #8
There is a very good chance of that because for the first time in a while mtnsnake Nov 2018 #11
He will continue to drag their party down. Legislatively he has been reduced to a slug, ooky Nov 2018 #12
I strongly suspect we're seeing that it HAS. Hortensis Nov 2018 #13
Republican stalwarts don't care... c_junk Nov 2018 #20
Oh, it's far from over, but they care! 2020 is going to Hortensis Nov 2018 #21
A little less red or a little less Trump-red? 7962 Nov 2018 #23
Sooner or later (perhaps!) Trump lovers will decide that TryLogic Nov 2018 #15
I just saw a retiring House Repub on CNN bi*ching about Trump Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #16
we had the opposite hurple Nov 2018 #17
My sympathies Le Gaucher Nov 2018 #18
Thats REALLY odd!! If you dont mind, what state do you live in? 7962 Nov 2018 #24
Illinois hurple Nov 2018 #36
E have a lot of Dems in local offices True Blue American Nov 2018 #29
Nice to think so, but I doubt if his 34% base will change. Firestorm49 Nov 2018 #19
I agree with your logic but Rizen Nov 2018 #22
Don't you mean the tide will turn on Republicans who are for Trump? Nitram Nov 2018 #25
Agree. it was a change in politics...and loss of congressional support...that brought Nixon down. libdem4life Nov 2018 #26
Trump does not work in the suburbs which are becoming more socially progressive. n/t Yavin4 Nov 2018 #27
Did anyone just hear Macron rebuke Trump on Nationalism and Religion!? True Blue American Nov 2018 #30
I disagree. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #32
What seems to me is not so much people changing parties, libdem4life Nov 2018 #34
I can see the richer suburbs watoos Nov 2018 #35
Maybe a repeat of what happened with Nixon Shoonra Nov 2018 #37

madashelltoo

(1,696 posts)
1. I will believe it when I see it.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:06 PM
Nov 2018

And, I need it to be sustained for a substantial amount of time. Repigs change like the weather.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
2. I'm not sure I share your optimism, although I would like to.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:07 PM
Nov 2018

Republicans are not that soul-searching. Or inclined to consider changing to fit the times, or as a response to an electoral defeat.

Their usual MO is to double-down on whatever it was that caused the defeat in the first place.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
3. I think we are a divided country for another 20 years
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:24 PM
Nov 2018

until demographics starts to take full effect. Until then it's primarily a racial battle. Sad to say, but that's what will happen.

Trump is just a symptom, not a cause...that's the mistake people are making.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Any room for possibly being LESS divided?
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:26 PM
Nov 2018

As in hard-core partisans retain most of their pathology but some who are more moderate come together and start narrowing that partisan gap?

We certainly saw that on Tuesday.

Agree 100% that Trump is a symptom, not the disease. But Tuesday showed decreased virulence, and even some suggestion that healing may be beginning, and it began where it has to occur if things are to get better -- in the electorate!

Not to be Pollyanna. Those who fostered this disease have had a bad setback, but they're not gone. The divide they conquered us with is still real. And it's likely that elections for some time to come will shift power back and forth between overly partisan factions through narrow margins of victory.

But still. Change in the right direction has happened, and I'd adjust that 20-year prediction. We're electing nonwhites all over the place, more than ever, proving the power of those who are good with it far outweighs the fear and rage of the backlash, which may be dwindling substantially. For another consideration in a constellation of them, don't forget that white supremacists already average old and that most will stop voting years before they actually drop dead.

getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
4. not on board with that....
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:26 PM
Nov 2018

They may have looked away during one cycle, but they are STILL republicans. In their heart of hearts, they like what trump has done; they just don't like trump.

They would happily back a gop stallwort though who isn't trump.

Lets hope trump runs again. Otherwise, the gop will be happy as hell and turn out to support the new donald.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
5. many republicans saw donnie as a train wreck from the day he won his first primary.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:31 PM
Nov 2018

many republicans feared him winning the election even more than the feared him losing the election.

but the reason is that they knew republicans were incapable of stopping him.
republicans are incapable of speaking out against him.

they knew donnie would bring down their brand because they have no idea how to protect that brand by distancing themselves from a horrible republican president. other than maybe not inviting him to a few specific districts during campaign season, they just don't know how to do it.

RainCaster

(10,866 posts)
31. But until they see the other poisonous aspects of Republican Doctrine there will be no change
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 12:14 PM
Nov 2018

Until they can denounce the:
NRA
Phony religious right
Abortion doctrine
Policy of Hate against everyone who is different
Love of the 0.1%
Lack of empathy

This change will not come from self appraisal, but from generational change. The bulk of the current GOP will have to die and be replaced by a generation that is still not of voting age. That will take time. A very long time.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
33. indeed. the fundamental problem is they turned it into a cult.
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 12:21 PM
Nov 2018

not specifically of donnie. but they decades ago that loyalty to party was more important than loyalty to the constitution or to the law or to the united states.

so they will follow the party to wherever it leads them, including straight to hell.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
6. Signs of hope in Boise ID
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:55 PM
Nov 2018

Incumbent state legislators going down to defeat in (formerly) reliably red West Boise "shocks" local GOP partisans. Also, in a race yet to be called, a ballot recount based on an initial 6-vote margin of victory for the GOP incumbent is underway.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/election/article221316170.html

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
7. We might live in the same place
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:07 PM
Nov 2018

Same thing - last year we got a Democratic Council Member.

This year she ran for Mayor - and as of today's provisional ballot count - is the Mayor.

We also took two NEW council seats.

And yep - town 'forums' for politics - both are deadly silent with the exception of a few Republican spoiled brats.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
10. No . . .
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:42 PM
Nov 2018

I was with Betsy, Chris, Caitlin and Arlene! Squeeee!

Now the Committee has to pick someone for Betsy's seat. I feel a lot of stress over this. Like - the six of us have a really big decision to make.

tanyev

(42,550 posts)
8. Yep. Every GOPer that wants to run for office in 2020 has to decide
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:24 PM
Nov 2018

whether to embrace Trump or run away from him. Thoughts and prayers.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
11. There is a very good chance of that because for the first time in a while
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:53 PM
Nov 2018

the repukes are feeling that their own future job security might be jeopardized if they continue to align themselves with Trump. Trump, as dumb as he is, knows this, and that's why he's going to do everything in his power to get Mueller out of the way before the curtain comes crashing down on all of them.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
12. He will continue to drag their party down. Legislatively he has been reduced to a slug,
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:09 PM
Nov 2018

he will do nothing for them, other than continuing to pack the courts with judges, and Pence would do that also. He can no longer repeal Obamacare, they will not get his wall, and soon enough they will realize he has lied to them about taxes, "bringing back" jobs, trade, infastructure, etc., and with some it will sink in that it is really promises made, promises broken, with Trump. So yes, its possible if enough of them regain their senses they could decide at some point over the next two years it is better to cut their losses with this con man.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. I strongly suspect we're seeing that it HAS.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:13 PM
Nov 2018

Until Monday it was known that, generally speaking, majorities in urban areas voted Democratic, while majorities in suburbs, rural areas and smaller towns voted Republican.

Tuesday's results show voters in the suburbs went majority Democrat.

They show that Republicans lost a lot of support from conservative women.

They even show that rural regions are now slightly less red than they had been.

They show that more people voted this time -- more for us and against Republicans.

Bottom line: America has shifted left, both because more people voted, including millennials, and because support on the right for Trump and Republican policies has weakened.

This is despite Trump's intransigent, hostile base, and oh well. Strong authoritarians, and they are, will not turn against their leader until they are forced to recognize that their strong man is actually a loser and weakling. But they're a minority whose support is weakening.

It may be that support for Trump/Repub right wing extremism peaked sometime in the past year (when they were putting children in cages?) and then started dropping and that that is what the midterm results are showing. We'll see, but I'm feeling pretty hopeful.

c_junk

(46 posts)
20. Republican stalwarts don't care...
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:12 PM
Nov 2018

I agree that tRump has been a boon for Democratic candidates as the face of Republicans and their party.

Don't forget their long term ambitions though, they'll give up Congress for a while but they'll have the judiciary (from wikipedia):

As of November 4, 2018, the United States Senate has confirmed 84 Article III judges nominated by President Trump, including 2 Associate Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States, 29 judges for the United States Courts of Appeals, 53 judges for the United States District Courts, and 0 judges for the United States Court of International Trade.[2] There are currently 57 nominations to Article III courts awaiting Senate action, including 7 for the Courts of Appeals, 48 for the District Courts, and 2 for the Court of International Trade.[3] There are currently 11 vacancies on the U.S. Courts of Appeals, 111 vacancies on the U.S. District Courts, 2 vacancies on the U.S. Court of International Trade,[3] and 20 announced federal judicial vacancies that will occur before the end of Trump's first term (4 for the Courts of Appeals and 16 for District Courts).[4] Trump has not made any recess appointments to the federal courts.

My fearful expectation is that McConnell will fill all the vacancies with people like Whitaker, and those judges will be in office for decades...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Oh, it's far from over, but they care! 2020 is going to
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:20 PM
Nov 2018

be grim for them for a variety of reasons they can't control.

Plus, long range, he demographic progression is inexorably against white Christian male supremacy, and the only way to keep power would be a takeover of our democracy; but Tuesday's election results were a repudiation of right-wing authoritarianism, with promise of more to come.

And dreadful as the judicial picture is for those who fall victim to it in this era, long-established law is still a leash on most of what these extremist judges want to do.

Until we are no longer a western liberal democracy, they are losing and losing bad. It'll take a while, but they're on the wrong side of history and are losing the people as they become aware of what they are.

Denounce bad leaders, vote, donate, GOTV, and knock wood, of course.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
23. A little less red or a little less Trump-red?
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:40 PM
Nov 2018

Would they go back to GOP voters if it was a different President?

TryLogic

(1,722 posts)
15. Sooner or later (perhaps!) Trump lovers will decide that
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 05:33 PM
Nov 2018

being lied to day after day is not to their liking.

As far as I am concerned, being lied to is a form of insult, a form of disrespect.

It is really mysterious to me that rural people seem ok with it. What ever happened to valuing a "man's word"? Are they so gullible and uninformed that they buy his lies as true?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
16. I just saw a retiring House Repub on CNN bi*ching about Trump
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:56 PM
Nov 2018

He's angry, altho he contained it. He said that Trump was the negative in many suburban elections, and he only added to the problem during the campaigns. (don't know what he meant by that) He said it made it hard for those candidates to run good campaigns or try to appeal to Independents. Then when they lost, he goes on tv and blames THEM, the candidates, for losing. This guy said it's like Trump doesn't know what's going on (or something like that).

I'm thinking...well, duh. Welcome to reality.

But really, this guy is just NOW realizing that Trump has his own reality, blames everyone but himself, and is a pathological liar?

hurple

(1,306 posts)
17. we had the opposite
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:01 PM
Nov 2018

I also live in a very red town, and usually the R primary is the only election that matters.

But, the election of Obama energized the younger voters and between 2008 and 2016 the few Dems in the area almost took over the county board, got the mayor-ship of the town, and got a few more in a few other positions. We were actually making in-roads for the first time in decades.

But this past Tuesday, we lost... everything. Every single D on the local ballot was crushed, some even losing to third and fourth party candidates.

I want to move out of this backwards, hick place so much...

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
29. E have a lot of Dems in local offices
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 07:13 AM
Nov 2018

All Democratic County Commission, but DeWine and Husted won. Two of the slimiest Republicans ever.

We will wait to see what DeWine does for Ohio. I do not expect much.

Rizen

(708 posts)
22. I agree with your logic but
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:25 PM
Nov 2018

think Republicans are too damn tribalistic and stupid to know what's good for them.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
26. Agree. it was a change in politics...and loss of congressional support...that brought Nixon down.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 11:09 PM
Nov 2018

It may be that the accidental, yet oversized harsh reality and shock and insanity of Trumpism was a wake up call for his party and the everyday citizen. Look at some of the amazing results. He will not survive, but we will.

He outed the White, Good Ol' Boys as the kind of caricature that they have become. He's such a hot mess you almost can't look away.

See Hillary Clinton's great writing today. A class act.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
30. Did anyone just hear Macron rebuke Trump on Nationalism and Religion!?
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 07:16 AM
Nov 2018

He looks like a furious stuffed toad. Did not even show up yesterday, last one to arrive today!

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
32. I disagree.
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 12:17 PM
Nov 2018

The tide that needs turning, & we made a good start with this mid-term, is the tide of non-voters. They need to get woke & get their asses to the polls.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
34. What seems to me is not so much people changing parties,
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 02:45 PM
Nov 2018

but new voters showing up. The 18-25 youngsters, the minorities who have felt their power for the first time...thanks to progressives actually standing firm on their values, and women running for office...the newly elected numbers are staggering in just one midterm election. These do not go away. Obviously not all are Democrats, but the Moderate Republican is gone...mostly to Independent or Democrat. Many I know or have heard of are transitioning into Independents. Seems to mean they are seriously looking at both sides before committing.

I think we have a better chance of the extreme right wing Republicans (Tea Party type) dying off. The Left has gone Left and the Right has gone Right. But the Independents seem to be leaning Dem/Left.

Trump foisted himself on the Republican Party...against the will of many in leadership. His crass takeover split the party...and once he's gone, it does not recover, IMO.

When the tea leaves show that the populace is backing away from the formerly elected officials and threatening their personal win, the situation of Nixon Redux has begun. These congresspeople care much more for their own re-election than any other factor. A group of them will likely get together and apply pressure...either get out, or get thrown out...to save their own skins.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
35. I can see the richer suburbs
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:21 AM
Nov 2018

switching red to blue, but not in poorer America.

My little town went from voting 4 to 1 Republican to 5 to 1 Republican. I live in Alabama in central Pennsylvania.

Back in the 70's we had a Democratic borough council. I was elected to 2 four year terms, but then my job took me out of town too often to run again. At least I get to vote for state wide Dems and the good news is that my district is not very populous.

Shoonra

(521 posts)
37. Maybe a repeat of what happened with Nixon
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 01:59 AM
Nov 2018

Back in 1974, Nixon resigned rather than risk impeachment when leading Congressional Republicans went to see him with the message that his wrongdoing was so obvious to the public that they couldn't run interference for him anymore, not without so thoroughly enraging the voters that none of them might survive in office. And that was the end of Richard Nixon.

In Trump's case, a clear blue wave - in terms of public outcry, opinion polls, letters to the editors, etc.,- could persuade current Congressional Republicans that sticking up for Trump could mean they also lose their seats. At that point they'd turn against Trump also. Very probably a good many of them are already browned off on him but putting on the pressure will motivate them to go public with their disaffection. And that will lead to Trump leaving office.

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