Here's why Dems should impeach, even if they can't get 67 votes in the Senate

[scheming daemons]

a. Because the trial in the Senate would expose everything in the Mueller report to the public. It could not be hidden. All of Trump's crimes need to be exposed to the public.

b. Because all GOP Senators need to be put on the record with their vote to acquit, for the ones that do. 22 GOP senators are up for re-election in 2020. We need them to sweat... to have to defend their vote to acquit Trump in their states.

Let's see Susan Collins (ME), Corey Gardner (CO), Joni Ernst (IA), David Perdue (GA), Bill Cassidy (LA), Thom Tillis (NC) all try to defend their votes to acquit Trump (if they do). They are all in states that are blue or purple.

With Trump trying to kill the Mueller investigation... the only way we can get all his crimes public would be through an impeachment trial.


Unlike in 1998-99 when the GOP was trying to impeach a popular President for lying about an affair.... this would be Democrats impeaching an UNPOPULAR President for acts that amount to treason. Real crimes.


We need to do it. Especially if Mueller is neutered.

[dalton99a]

1. Make them defend the traitor.

[gratuitous]

2. I tend to agree

Let Republicans defend Trump, if they can. It will not redound to their favor.

[blueinredohio]

3. They need to get a vote on the floor to protect Mueller

And everyone of the assholes that vote no need to be called out. Let the whole country know who wants to protect Trump.

[HAB911]

4. Bonus: Trump would go down in history

as being IMPEACHED

it doesn't matter if found guilty. They always say, Clinton was impeached. duh

[Vinca]

5. I agree it needs to happen even if there is zero chance of ousting him Senate-wise.

History is being recorded and the Democrats never want it said they stood by and did nothing.

[Tribalceltic]

6. kick and Rec

I am in total agreement.

[docgee]

7. C. If we don't, the next corrupt asshole will think he or she can get away with it.

D. If we don't, the number of people who think both parties are the same will grow.

[Fiendish Thingy]

8. Impeachment: Because it's the right thing to do

For the Constitution, the Country, and Democracy

[Demsrule86]

10. Putting Trump back in power in 20 with a 'feel good' impeachment that does not result in removal

is more dangerous to our constitution, country and democracy than working to undermine him everyday.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. Dems should do the right thing regardless of your unproven prediction nt

[Demsrule86]

17. Consider Clinton and of course Scott Walker...we impeach without conviction , we lose.

And what do we gain from this that makes our lives any better as Trump remains...no reason to risk it.

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. The country and constitution are too important not to risk it

I don’t want the Dems slogan in 2030 to be “keeping our powder dry since November 2000”

[Demsrule86]

35. Perhaps you could explain how impeachment without conviction helps the constitution or country

when the Senate will surely declare Trump innocent. I don't see it. Not about dry powder but about doing things that have some benefit to our party and to the country and will help preserve the country by stopping Trump from winning another term.

[Fiendish Thingy]

40. By your logic then, the new Dem congress should not propose any legislation

As there aren't enough votes in the Senate...

Our representatives should speak out, and stand up for the constitution, and put all evidence against this president front and center for the electorate to examine, to stare down this would be dictator, and draw a line in the sand and say "no more!". If that's "too risky", then the US is broken, and doomed.

Articles of impeachment could be drawn up, one by one, without formal hearings in the full body of the house, while the Dem congress multi-tasks and passes Medicare For All, a minimum wage increase, and a budget balancing tax hike on the 1%.

All of this would hold the GOP senate and Trump accountable, while deflating Trump's approval ratings and diminishing his chances of reelection.

[enid602]

37. Impeachment

Don’t forget that during this period it will be increasingly more evident how much our revenues will be reduced by Trump’s tax cut for the rich, and how vulnerable they leave SS, Medicare and Medicaid. His supporters will make great angry villagers.

[Demsrule86]

9. And then we lose the next Presidential election and lose the house and fail to take backe

the Senate. Trump remains in office and has more power than ever. It is so not worth it.

[scheming daemons]

13. False.... it would improve our chances to win in 2020

In 1999, Clinton was a POPULAR President being impeached for lying about sex.


(And in 2000, the GOP won the Presidency anyway.)


Now, Trump is an UNPOPULAR President who would be impeached for actual crimes, including treasonous ones.


No comparison.


The trial would drive his numbers through the floor.... only the most hardened MAGA would still be with him in 2020.

[Garrett78]

15. Agreed.

[Demsrule86]

18. No it wouldn't improve our chances, we lose independents.

[scheming daemons]

21. The independents are the ones who want to protect Mueller the most.

The exit polls show it.


They hate the grift of Trump. They're exhausted by it. He lost them in droves.


We won't lose the independents at all. They'll turn even more blue.

[Fiendish Thingy]

26. Prove it nt

[Demsrule86]

34. Not possible as you surely know.

However what do we gain with impeachment? Unless conviction follows...exactly nothing. Thus no reason to risk it. Plenty of other useful things we can do that won't get us tossed out of office.

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. +1000 nt

[Fiendish Thingy]

23. No evidence to support that flawed premise nt

[avebury]

11. Totally Agree! nt

[joshcryer]

12. I think the Democrats will dangle impeachment for concessions.

They won't actually do it.

[IphengeniaBlumgarten]

16. Whoa!

We can impeach, BUT, in the current state of things, we will fail to convict and this will immediately get twisted, by Trump and friends, into a verdict of innocent. This will make him stronger.

Surely investigations by various House committees can bring out the facts just as well and without such unfortunate consequences as a failed impeachment.

[maxsolomon]

19. Impeachment is their DUTY.

The GOP knew they wouldn't get Clinton convicted. They still did it, and won the next election.

Brand Trump with it. He'll lie about whatever Dems do, regardless. Might as well go down fighting the bully.

I don't agree that Impeachment helps his re-election chances. At worst it's neutral.

[Fiendish Thingy]

24. +1000 nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

39. I agree.

[Rizen]

20. Trump's done more than enough to warrent impeachment

even without the Russia thing. Absolutely we should do it.

[spanone]

25. K&R...

[byronius]

28. Rule Of Law, not of calculation.

Plus, the process would likely take place in a storm of constant revelation of criminality.

Something might just break down the road, get those Republicans off the sinking ship.

[Wawannabe]

29. Total agreement!

You school ‘em!

Good OP

[NatBurner]

30. i totally agree

the evidence is abundant, and a lot of it is on video FFS
and the GOP congress is a de facto co-defendant IMO

expose them all

[rzemanfl]

31. I agree, am impressed by your reasoning and even more by your

doing it without using the words "galactic" or "tons." The stench of Drumpf gets worse every day. People didn't vote for Dems so they could get out the Glade, they want the shit off the White House furniture.

[Wawannabe]

36. Shit off the furniture!

OMG!

[Squinch]

32. I agree. I was one of the voices on the other side of this argument till recently.

But we should impeach because of the reasons you listed plus one more: its just the right thing to do. It might not be politically savvy and it probably will die in the Senate but I don't care. Its what should be done.

We'll indict him in the courts, but lets do this too.

[MiniMe]

33. You assume that the Turtle would allow the Senate to hold a trial

I really don't think he would allow it.

[elocs]

38. Impeaching Trump would be a self indulgent political revenge move.

Republicans did not impeach Obama even though they likely could have come up with something. Of course we wouldn't agree but then Republicans wouldn't agree with the impeachment of Trump either.
Impeachment of Trump is a bad idea which just opens Democrats up to getting bit in the ass by the Law of Unintended Consequences.