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[redstatebluegirl]

1. No problem he won't be the nominee of the Democratic party in 2020.

[realmirage]

2. Whatever that means.

[redstatebluegirl]

11. What is means is, he had his chance and it cost us dearly as a party.

The majority of democrats realize that he had no intention of remaining in the party after the election. I cannot imagine a scenario where he wins enough primaries to get the nomination. My preference would be that any candidate for our party would need to be a member of our party for at least 5 years before they can run in our primaries. I also feel any candidate should be required to release their tax returns which I don't think he wants to do.

I will always support our candidate, but I am really sure he won't be the candidate. if he is, we lose.

[realmirage]

17. Again, this isn't about your feelings. It's about us winning in 2020, whoever the nominee is.

[redstatebluegirl]

23. We won't win with Bernie, I'll hold my nose and vote for him if we make that mistake again.

I don't think I will have to. I've been a loyal Democrat for 42 years, by the way, my "feelings" are not what this is about, it is about my brain and years of experience in the party I love.

[realmirage]

37. It's people's feelings that are making them

shit all over Bernie Sanders. After the crushing feeling of a trump presidency, a total maniac, my feelings about Hillary losing went out the window. We must win.

[redstatebluegirl]

38. Oh please, I'm done.

[Gothmog]

143. sanders was not vetted in 2016 because the press did not consider him to be a real candidate

sanders would not survive a real vetting by the press

[Hortensis]

188. The right wing swiftboating machine had several "scandals"

all designed and mostly put together, just waiting to see if they'd be needed before putting the final touches on the first one to roll out.

Those foolish people who eagerly swallowed these fake scandals about Hillary were setting themselves up for a major shock when the nation exploded in Bernie Derangement Syndrome.

They also apparently still don't realize fake scandals be even more effective on Sanders because the whole nation already knew Hillary while Sanders was mostly a blank white board the right's sliming machine could draw any picture they wanted on.

No doubt they have it all in storage -- in a back corner behind the material they instead used to promote Sanders to the nation and augment his own messages about Democrats.

[Me.]

238. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[brer cat]

159. You seem very focused on winning.

Do you think it is a winning strategy to shit all over DUers by telling them to "clear out of here?"

People here criticize potential candidates very frequently. Have you ever read a thread where Kirsten Gillibrand was mentioned? Did you tell the people trashing her to "clear out?" How about the posts bashing Cory Booker for being in the pocket of pharma? Or Joe Biden as too old?

Are you suggesting that we must sit around a campfire and sing kumbaya until 2020 is over and done?

[sheshe2]

180. +1000

[Gothmog]

182. Great post

[Hortensis]

196. Maybe it's something Maher's been pushing. Lots

of dystopian, anti-Democratic delusions get channeled to DU via Maher from points beyond. Russia values shows like Maher's, of course, even if he doesn't reciprocate the appreciation.

[Cha]

214. Thank You, brer! Such a "winning strategy"

to order DU members around.

[mcar]

243. This!

[Cha]

211. Actually it's BS who's the source.. Now with his

latest statement..

Link to tweet

[Demit]

77. You do know how the nominee gets to be the nominee, right?

He/she gets the most votes in the primaries.

So no need to come on like gangbusters with the attitude. If your boy gets the nomination, we'll vote for him in the general.

[realmirage]

133. tell that to all the people trying to tear him down

so that if he gets the nom he'll be crippled already while the republicans are united

[djg21]

151. Like he crippled Hillary before the 2016 General?

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He attacked her from the left flank, which required her to move left before the primaries. This alienated her from more moderate voters who otherwise would have supported her in the General. Then he didn’t get behind Hillary fast enough or support her strongly enough. Some number of his supporters didn’t vote for her in the General, which ultimately cost us to lose the Presidency.

If the party were smart, it would do its best to avoid another bloody primary.

If Bernie is the nominee, we likely will have Trump for another 4 years. Bernie could carry the northeast blue states and CA, but the chances of a self-declared “socialist democrat” winning in the south or mountain states is slim.

I loved Bernie when he was my mayor 30 years ago. But I can’t forgive him for 2016 and he now needs to go away. There is no way I would ever vote for him in a primary, and if he is the nominee, God save us all.

[Gothmog]

183. There are a large number of Democrats who have long memories

We will not forgive or forget the role that sanders played in getting trump elected

[demosincebirth]

161. I'm getting a little tired discusing Sanders on DU. He is not a democrat, never was.

Why hasn't he not become a democrat? He must not like what we stand for. Has he ever given a plausible reason? Besides, isn't this forum for supporting democratic candidates only?

[Demit]

171. I'm telling you.

Take your attitude elsewhere.

[Cha]

221. When BS needs to be called out on what

his latest is.. he will be called out.

[Cha]

234. BS is responsible for his own words..

not everybody likes what he has to say. We're not going to keep quiet 'cause you say so.

[leftynyc]

87. The Democratic party

is NOT going allow Bernie to USE US again. He's not a Democrat. Period.

[Cha]

210. It isn't about yours.. We will have a Winning

strategy with our Democratic nominee in 2020.

[delisen]

259. If its not about feelings & emotions we don't need those charismatic

super-inspirational candidates so many want us to march behind. We can instead go for competency and experience.

[exboyfil]

24. He probably would have drawn more

support away from Clinton than Stein if he had gone 3rd party.

[violetpastille]

15. The DNC has changed its rules

For one thing the rules have changed since last time.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-2020-election-new-rule-967928

Also not releasing tax returns is no longer an option.

He probably won't run as a Democratic candidate for President in 2020.

[Tavarious Jackson]

119. What if a candidate hides houses under his wife's name? nt

[Hekate]

253. That will come out

[Tavarious Jackson]

264. How much a wife gets paid in a campaign should come out.

People should know what they donate to. IMO.

Thank you for taking the time to respond to me.

[Deuce]

154. Thanks for the link/info...

[NastyRiffraff]

191. He won't release his tax returns.

He would have by now, in fact back in 2016, if he were willing. He and his supporters can kick and whine all they want, but it's a legitimate rule and the Democratic Party has a right to make it.

Plus, I doubt if the party will make the same mistake of letting him run as a pretend Democrat again, only to revert to Independent after the election.

In short, I wouldn't worry about what the OP is clearly worried about. Bernie won't be the nominee.

[Gothmog]

201. These new rules were the quid pro quo for changing the super delegate rules

There are some members of the CBC who are still mad at that rule change

The new ballot access rules for several blue states will force sanders to release his full tax returns.

[qazplm135]

126. it means he's not going to win

if by some reason he does win, then ya, folks will support him over Trump.

But he's not going to win.

[Gothmog]

135. It means that many Democrats have long memories

sanders has a very small chance of the being the nominee.

[Tavarious Jackson]

149. It means demcrats are confident he won't win the primary.

Just like democrats are confident Michael Avenatti or Michael Bloomburg won't win a dem primary

[Thekaspervote]

195. It means that bernie is NOT a democrat! Tom Perez and the DNC have already passed bylaws that

Are very clear. They, the DNC will not support anyone who is not a member of the Democratic Party. if in question:

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-2020-election-new-rule-967928

But, if you don’t believe that source google it for yourself, there are dozens of sources all saying the same thing

[Cha]

209. Let me explain. It means that

BS will Not be the Democratic candidate in 2020.

[dubyadiprecession]

239. Bernie and Hilary had their shot, now it's time for Joe Biden.

[bluestarone]

6. YOU are right!!

I know what that means.

[grantcart]

7. But we will still have angry pro Sanders threads every day like this one

[redstatebluegirl]

12. Notice that most of these are newbies. Bernie is used to divide us.

[realmirage]

21. Angry that I want us to win? Fuck yes, that's because I want the Democrats to win.

[Bfd]

44. Ya. We ALL want to win. Bernie Sanders doesn't even fit the Dem Party qualifiers.

Member, taxes...ya know, those pesky things some keep omitting.

Bernie Sanders will not be the leader of our Dem Party for US President in 2020.

We have brilliant members who are prepared to carry all US citizens to an equal & better future.

I'll vote the Democratic ticket as I have my entire adult life.

[demosincebirth]

160. I'm in your parade!

[Demsrule86]

48. Sen. Sanders would will not win a Democratic primary in 20 so no need for these sort of posts.

[samnsara]

231. amen

[grantcart]

107. And the reason that you won't vote for a Republican that won't release his taxes but

Will vote for a Democratic candidate that refuses to release is exactly what.

Last time nobody gave Sanders any serious examination on his platform and the hundreds of billions discrepancy between all the programs he proposed and revenues. With the current tax code it would exceed 2 trillion

Your gratuitous use of F bombs doesn't advance your argument but reveals the desperate paucity of logic, facts and reason that it is substituted for

[Hekate]

254. Then promote a Democrat, not an Independent

[Tipperary]

19. You are spot on.

No way he will be the nominee.

[FarPoint]

35. Let's not forget...

Bernie is Not a Democrat. ...DU will support the DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE.

[stopbush]

186. Agreed. There are too many actual Ds that are far better choices than him for 2020.

Not to mention younger and more diverse.

[Demwolv]

3. He's not the best candidate

I don't think anyone is saying they aren't supporting him outright. I think they're saying that he's not the best candidate to run... and that's just the truth.

[we can do it]

4. BS is not a Democrat.

[Blue_true]

39. But if he wins out party nomination, everyone of us must support him in the General.

What fucking other choice would there be at that point!!!!!!!

[Demsrule86]

131. He won't win...of course I would vote for him but it would useless as I doubt he could win a general

I think if Sen. Sanders runs Joe Biden steps in and saves us and the 2020 election...no candidates from 16...not Sanders nor Clinton.

[George II]

146. If he wins the Democratic nomination, I will send him the maximum contribution possible and....

.....campaign 80 hours a week from the closing of the Convention right through to election day.

[Caliman73]

192. Agreed. Sanders is 1000 times better than the best Republican.

I am of the opinion that Sanders will not win a Democratic primary but if he does then I will support the candidacy in the general election over any Republican.

[sandensea]

5. I hear you. I voted for him in the last primaries, and would gladly do so again.

That said, my guess is that Joe Biden will be our nominee.

Either, of course, would be fine by me (as would a number of other potential nominees). It's good to support a party with so many great choices.

[Demsrule86]

138. I voted for him in 16 (primary) and would not do so in 20 (primary) particularly after the comments

about how if you don't want to vote for a candidate because he is Black, it doesn't make you a racist. People of color are an important part of the Democratic Party.

[Gothmog]

147. I would support Joe if he ran

[sandensea]

158. +1

He's our best shot.

[Gothmog]

187. I saved my Joe sign from the National Convention

[COLGATE4]

207. So would I. Enthusiastically. nt

[sfwriter]

8. I expect him to lose.

But if he is the nominee of the Democratic Party, I will vote for him.

I always support Democrats.

[Bfd]

25. We have a better & brighter & more future thinking group than him in our Democratic Party

Why would we choose someone who isn't a Dem?
We have a very exciting & well defined field of our own to choose from.

I believe Democratic Party rules prevent a non-Dem from running on their ticket, so what's he going to do about that Party rule?

[sfwriter]

64. If he wins, I'll support him.

Are you saying you won't?

[Bfd]

81. Re-read my post. Party Rules make him invalid to run on the Dem Ticket.

I will vote for any from our dedicated, bright, loyal field of Dems who are proud to belong to the Democratic Party.

[sfwriter]

91. Did they change the rules since he ran last? What exactly is the rule you refer to?

Or is this just hopeful, spiteful or wishful thinking? I honestly do not know? He managed to qualify before.

For myself, I hope he does not run, but if he had my parties nomination, well then, I would support him. Its a simple question, hardly worth deflection.

[betsuni]

175. See comment #15, DNC changed the rules.

[rzemanfl]

9. I will keep my dog out of this fight for now. It ain't gonna be pretty.

Proceed.

[SidDithers]

10. Why not wait until pigs can fly, Hell freezes over, and Bernie is the actual nominee...

before castigating DUers for not supporting him.



Sid

[Bfd]

13. I too prefer a "Democrat". We have a Party full of bright, capable, loyal Dems ready to campaign

& ready to govern this great nation of all races, genders, faiths & walks of life.

In fact I ONLY support Democrats.

[Me.]

31. Real Dems

Right?

[Bfd]

49. Yup. There are some excellent Democrats who are ready to unite & restore dignity & fairness.

There has never been any doubt what Party they stand for.

[LeftInTX]

14. The TOS for DU is to support the Democratic nominee

If he is nominated, he will get my support and almost everyone here.

[Aristus]

16. I don't think the issue is with people who will support him if he gets the nomination.

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It's clearly an issue with people who continue to support him after he loses the nomination.

A quick look at recent history bears that out.

[KitSileya]

73. Hammer, meet nail.

You are exactly right.

[GulfCoast66]

220. Most insightful post I have read in a week.

I may steal it from you in the future.

[betsuni]

233. +1

[katmondoo]

18. It would help Trump

[awesomerwb1]

20. Question to you OP

If Bernie doesn't get the Dem nomination and decided to go Green party for example.....since we, to quote you: "FUCKING MUST WIN IN 2020"; who would you support?

[realmirage]

22. Only a fucking moron votes for the green party in presidential elections.

Does that answer your question?

[Me.]

26. Who Made You Hall Monitor?

[Blue_true]

46. The OP is right. If Bernie wins the nomination, we support him or leave DU.

It's as simple as that.

[revmclaren]

116. And if he runs as an independent..

Then all those who support him have to support the Democratic primary winner or they leave DU.

Only! 2019 and beyond.

[Blue_true]

153. That is reasonable.

Look, I have no intention of voting for Bernie in the primary, too many better choices. If he runs in the General, I will absolutely oppose him with everything that I can, because it would be obvious that he wants to be a spoiler for the Dem nominee. But if he enters and win our primary, again, he would have won the DEMOCRATIC primary and as such earned our full support.

[nini]

193. Like the anti-Hillary folks did?

[Blue_true]

200. Maybe not like they did with the new site.

The point is, if Bernie wins our nomination, he is our nominee. We need to support him in the General or we aren't being what we claim to be. No one is harder on people like Greens than I am, I virulently despise them, saying that, there is absolutely no way that I won't support our nominee with everything that I can muster.

[Me.]

237. Not Quite

if one pays attention to BS, he says he's not a Dem. I believe him, hence I will never be voting for him

[jpljr77]

27. OK, sure. But the same goes for a centrist, "blue dog"-style Democrat also, right?

[Hortensis]

28. Lol. Should I clear out if I'm unwilling to support

Jill Stein if she wins a majority of the Democratic primary vote?

Silly stuff.

But I will take this opportunity to point out that someone who would try to OVERSET THE CHOICE OF A MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS BY MISUSE OF SUPERDELEGATE POWER could only become our nominee if all other candidates dropped dead, including those nominated at convention.

Our party is dominated by the kind of people who created liberal democracy in the first place. That would be as ruthlessly antidemocratic and cluelessly foolish a move as any Trump has made. I for one could never forget and would never forgive.

[nini]

29. I bash anyone who bashes Democrats

He's not going to be the nominee.. let it go.

This last racist comment sealed the deal on that one.

Someone really should start bernieunderground.com

[Wintryjade]

30. I will support any Democrat and I am not concerned Sanders will be the person I vote for.

The only way I see his path is third party. If that is the case, I do not think I should be the one leaving a Democratic board.

If he runs as a Democrat, or is even allowed. If he shows his taxes, which I do not think he will. I do not think he is a viable candidate, nor be able to compete against our Democrats.

We have a lot of Democratic Leaders that are such a better pick and the base knows it.

[namahage]

32. But I thought that's what primaries are for.

You're not suggesting a coronation for Bernie, are you?

[Lunabell]

33. I will support the democratic nominee.

Period.

[George II]

34. "So tired of seeing people bash possible 2020 nominees." So we should play nice with trump?

I have no qualms about "bashing" any possible 2020 nominees who are not Democrats.

To date, and not recently, the only possible 2020 Democratic nominee I've seen bashed around here was Cory Booker, claiming he is "beholden" to the Pharmaceutical industry. That and comments about Joe Biden being too old. To be honest, I'd like to be as sharp as Biden when I'm his age (which isn't too far in the future!)

[Blue_true]

36. I absolutely WON'T vote for him in the primary.

But, if he wins the party nomination, I will be 1000% behind him in the General. I have not seen anyone on DU suggest otherwise, that would be stupid, if Bernie is our nominee, he IS the only logical choice for President.

[Tavarious Jackson]

127. Indeed. I will gladly vote Bernie is the general.

No way in hell for the primary.

[still_one]

40. The reality is because of 2016 neither Sanders or Hillary will be the nominee. right or wrong they

are divisionary, and the DemocTic party will have new fresh faces as our nominee

[DinahMoeHum]

41. He's not gonna get the nomination. Take that to the bank.

If Bernie wants the help of the Democrats, then he should actually join the Democratic Party and shed the "Independent" BS label for permanently.

Otherwise, if he wants to run, let him do it as an Independent. No more glomming on to the Democratic Party for his supporting cast.

Oh, one other thing. Want to know why he won't get the nomination? He has had a serious problem relating to African-Americans over the years. Yesterday's remarks weren't the first time.

[realmirage]

65. If he becomes the dem nominee, you will support him or you are with trump

[DinahMoeHum]

122. I will ALWAYS vote for the Democrat on the POTUS ballot.

But I just know he's NOT gonna be it. Bank that.

[DinahMoeHum]

132. You just got put on Full Ignore.

I don't do pissing contests.

[MrsCoffee]

137. But it's okay when Bernie does it, right?

He is constantly tearing down Democrats (including potential nominees) and the Democratic Party.

Enough with these double standards.

[Cha]

224. That's Not gonna happen.

[Cha]

226. Not gonna happen.

[wryter2000]

42. I'll always vote for the Dem

But Bernie won't be the nominee

[fgeorge468]

43. Bernie

If he gets our nomination we need to stand together and get him into office regardless of our feelings on him.

[realmirage]

66. exactly. it's not about people's 'feelings'

[Cha]

223. Including yours.

[Docreed2003]

45. ...

[Bfd]

61. Is this real life?

[Docreed2003]

106. Lol!!!

[Bfd]

62. We Have a Winner!!

Bu Bu Bu Bait.

[realmirage]

67. it's a response to all the threads tearing down a potential 2020 nominee

[Bfd]

88. Ya , a Democrat on the Democratic ticket will be the Democratic nominee.

See?

[Docreed2003]

103. Ok...

Is your name Ken perhaps?

[realmirage]

136. my name is I Want To Fucking Win This Time

[Docreed2003]

167. ...

Newsflash...everyone here "wants to fucking win this time"

[sheshe2]

228. Lol!

[Bfd]

148. Rofl...now that you mention it

[Docreed2003]

164. That's also true

[Bfd]

168. FOX Newz? No..Raccoon Newz!!

[Docreed2003]

173. Lmao

[Bfd]

176. Omg..haaahaaa!

I love it

[MrsCoffee]

121. Lol. You aren't going to make it through the upcoming lengthy primary season then.

This place is historically a blood bath.

So much so that they create a special forum for the primaries and then banish it when it's over.

[realmirage]

140. No, we support Democrats.

[MrsCoffee]

141. Yes we do. Until Bernie becomes one, don't think I'm gonna play your game.

[qazplm135]

139. let me know when he joins the democratic party (again)

until then, he isn't a potential nominee.

[LovingA2andMI]

260. Facts:

Bernie Ran as a Democrat in 2016.

After Bernie Lost the Nomination To Hillary Clinton in 2016, Bernie RETURNED back to Independent Status.

Bernie Sits in the U.S. Senate as a INDEPENDENT today.

Bernie would have to fall-in-line with the NEW DNC RULES (linked above at least twice) and declare before announcing any candidacy for President in 2020 he would abide by each of these rules, including releasing his Taxes.

If this all of this is not done, Bernie remains a INDEPENDENT and cannot run for the Democratic Presidential Primary Nomination.

Lastly, there are PLENTY of potential Democratic Candidates who have since being Elected to Public Office, have never left the Democratic Party to become an "Independent" after losing -- and then seek to come back Democratic Party just to run for President of the United States.

It is important to break down the FACTS as they now exist.

Thanks, in advance.

[MrGrieves]

47. No tax returns? No Chance!

Aside from that his racist apology statements are not helping. I love some of his ideas but he is yesterdays news and I'd rather go in another direction than an old white dude. -From an aging white dude.

[realmirage]

70. but if he gets the dem nomination you will support him or you are with trump

Meanwhile, how about supporting our allies

[MrGrieves]

83. He caucuses with us... Ally? I'm not sold.

Sure if he gets the nomination I am going to vote for him. But I will work my ass off to try to make sure he doesn't get the nomination.

[realmirage]

89. So you want a repeat of 2016? GREAT STRATEGY

So he gets the nomination but he's crippled thanks to all the attacks from people who just can't get over 2016. Genius plan

[Bfd]

101. MeToo. I prefer Democrats. Unlike his, my loyalty, support, & pride is the Democratic Party

I'm not worried about having to vote for him.
He's currently invalid to run on the Dem ticket, per Party Rules.

He's not even in the game for Democrats.

[realmirage]

142. So while you tear down our allies, the Republicans are united

Guess we'll be able to bank on another trump term with a strategy like that

[Bfd]

145. Oh my my! Re-read my post. I support Democrats.

I have no idea what you are referring to.

Allies? Yes I support all allies.
For 2020 President I support all loyal Democrats, who proudly wear that Party name.

[sheshe2]

244. Your Op and all your posts talk about allies being torn down.

The ally that you refer to is Bernie.

Yet you repeatedly tear down DUers (Democrats) on this thread accusing them of wanting to lose the election to trump. Refusing to vote for Bernie. You seem to have him in the General before he declares and a winner before the primary starts.

Let's just take this one step at a time. I await the primary challengers to declare. There is a lot of huge talent out there. It is every voters choice to make an informed decision who is best for us and this nation. We make that in the voting both, free choice. My vote counts. I have never in my life voted for anyone but a Democrat. Whoever wins the primary has my vote.

[Small-Axe]

50. I support Democrats

ONLY

[realmirage]

71. that's the spirit : )

[MrsCoffee]

51. BETTER BELIEVE IT!

[tammywammy]

162. +1 n/t

[Hekate]

262. Kind of has that air about it, doesn't it?

What an incredibly divisive series of attacks emanating from the OP.

[StevieM]

52. I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. I hope it will be Tom Steyer.

And I hope that every Democrat rallies around him if wins the nomination, regardless of who they initially supported during the primaries.

[MrsCoffee]

53. Lulz. Make me.

He isn't going to run so I have nothing to worry about.

[Bfd]

69. Can't Make Me. I'm voting for the loyal Democrat who proudly wears the Party Name

[chillfactor]

54. Bernie cost Democrats the presidency in 2016.

I will never support his nomination. We have exciting younger people who should be nominated that most of us would support except the Bernie supporters.

[realmirage]

72. Enough about your feelings about what you think happened 2 years ago.

It's about winning in 2020.

[chillfactor]

114. Yes it is about WINNING!

But Bernie would be a weak candidate. We need younger blood as a candidate...not a tired old man. And enough about YOUR feelings. You accuse others of basing their posts based on their feelings and yet you do the exact same thing. And YOU do not get to decide who can post on DU.....that is up to the admin staff.

[33taw]

55. Anyone who does not support the eventual democratic nominee is foolish.

But, I don’t think I would throw them off this site. That sounds a bit Trumpaian to me. Maybe we should listen to what their concerns are now?

[realmirage]

75. Constructively, fine. But the way a lot of people talk about him here?

They sound like Republicans

[Tiggeroshii]

56. Agreed!

We saw what the infighting did to our chances in 2016. We dont need any more of it.

[Quayblue]

57. No nt

[realmirage]

76. No you won't support the Dem nominee if it's Sanders? Then this isn't the place for you

[Quayblue]

79. He's not going to be the nominee

so no.

[Cha]

230. Get a grip.. telling people "..this isn't the place for you"

We have been here a long time and we're not going anywhere.

[sheshe2]

247. I am with you Cha!

[mcar]

245. Who are you to decide who gets to stay here and who doesn't?

It's 2018. No one knows who the Democratic nominee will be and here you are with demands and threats.

I expect to see you castigating posters on all the OPs bashing other potential 2020 Democratic nominees. In the interest of fairness, of course.

[sheshe2]

248. ;)

[shraby]

58. I will vote for whomever is the nominee for the Democratic party.

You don't tell me what to do.

[Ms. Toad]

59. Do you really think starting up the Bernie wars is helpful?

You could easily have made your point that we need everyone supporting the ultimate nominee, without dredging up the Hillary-Bernie wars.

A neutral caption would have been, "If you won't suport the Democratic nominee in 2020, I think you should clear out of here."

Since you chose Bernie, rather than a neutral headline, when the post has nothing to do with Sanders, it certainly feels as if you are trying to stir things up - rather than rally the troops.

[realmirage]

78. Uh, it's plain that I'm trying to get people to stop bashing an ally

[Ms. Toad]

172. Then why bother with the pretense that

you want people to support whoever the nominee is. If that's your point, don't add words you know are fighting words.

[GulfCoast66]

222. Perhaps you first need to convince people is is actually an Ally.

Seems like a pretty tough sell to me.

[melman]

166. Starting up?

You must have missed the 'Bernie needs to sail off into the sunset' thread. Understandable I suppose. It's only been raging all day.

[Ms. Toad]

169. I was giving the OP the benefit of the doubt.

The content of the post was relatively neutral and arguably, at least, good sense. No reason to bring Bernie into it other than to pick a fight.

[Tarheel_Dem]

60. Depends on what one considers "an ally".

[JCMach1]

63. Ummm pretty sure that's in DU's TOS

but FFS 2016 is dead buried under an orange mound of blubber and flatulence...

IF you don't plan to support the nominee, hit the door!

[realmirage]

80. Some people here need a reminder

[quickesst]

68. Haha

Last time I looked, this was a democratic website to support Democrats. Technically, if you are a Bernie Sanders supporter, you shouldn't even be here.

From the terms of service:

Political
Support Democrats
Do not post support for Republicans or independent/third-party "spoiler" candidates.

[realmirage]

84. haha Sanders ran as a democrat and the OP states

that if he wins the dem nomination. If you don't support him under those circumstances you are a trump supporter

[quickesst]

98. Hahaha

he's not a Democrat now so he shouldn't be be promoted on this website. Sure, he may switch parties to run for president, but once it's over, win or lose, he goes right back to Independent, just like he did in 2016. He needs to just go away. Fairweather democrats should not be welcome here.

[LovingA2andMI]

263. Fairweather democrats should not be welcome here.....

Maybe this should be added to the TOS. Like it.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

74. Whoever gets the Dem nom gets my vote, ...

... Bernie Sanders, Susan Sarandon, Jill Stein, whoever.

Isn't it a bit early to go all ballistic on the 2020 election?

Maybe not.

[disillusioned73]

82. Bravo!!!

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[realmirage]

108. We have to be smart and stop dividing ourselves

We NEED TO WIN : )

[disillusioned73]

113. I've said it before...

this place may not survive 2020..

[leftynyc]

85. You said it yourself

I will support ANY DEMOCRAT. Bernie is not a Democrat. Period.

[realmirage]

93. Sigh, I guess you forgot he ran as a democrat

And my point is if he gets the dem nomination we'd all better support him. And stop tearing him down. If he gets the nomination how great would it be if democrats tore him apart for 2 years leading up to that? Sounds like a great strategy for failure

[leftynyc]

99. The party ALLOWED him to run

as a Democrat. No way they allow him to use our party again. We've learned our lesson. Forget it.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

86. Let's worry about current events why don't we

[YessirAtsaFact]

90. Sick of hearing about Bernie

I'll vote for him if he runs.

Meanwhile, I'm trashing this thread because it's about him and he isn't a Democrat

[realmirage]

96. Bye!

[MrsCoffee]

118. I assume you are using your ignore power.

That's about all the control you have over this situation.

[DFW]

92. Gets the nom from whom and for what?

What does Bernie Sanders have to do with the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

He does caucus with us in the Senate, and I'm glad he does. I have no interest in wasting time tearing him down, though what he has to do with the designation "our allies" is far from clear. I am well aware that there are two or three posters on this site who show up for the sole purpose of claiming to clarify just that. Like the saying goes, "I don't mind Jesus, it's his fan club I can't stand."

Anyone who comes out with a statement like, “I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American” is no ally of mine. I am also quite aware that some will disagree with that sentiment. Chaqu'un á son goût.

I think that after 13 years, I don't need people other than the site owners to tell me when to clear out of here and when I don't have to.

There is a fine line between "bashing" potential Democratic nominees and stating preferences one way or the other. I am certainly not volunteering for the post of Lord High Executioner of DU members. I would be very wary of anyone else eager to claim the post.

[sarah FAILIN]

94. Oh.

I didn't realize you were the boss.

[realmirage]

102. It's the rules here. In case you forgot.

[sarah FAILIN]

206. No it is not.

You don't get to tell people to leave just because they don't like BS. If they are posting negatives about him, depending on the situation they could get banned, but that is not what the post says.

[Blue_Tires]

95. 1. If Bernie gets the nomination he'll have my full support

2. But barring a miracle, that isn't going to happen

[PubliusEnigma]

97. You can clear out until Bernie joins the Democratic Party. Let me know when he does.

[realmirage]

104. Your strategy to undermine a possible 2020 dem nominee is perfect for failure

I guess you want 4 more years of trump?

[PubliusEnigma]

109. He is not and never really was a Democrat. Find a real leader and get back to us.

[realmirage]

112. Unless you are in a different reality, yes he was running as a Democrat

and if he does again and wins, he will need every vote.

[PubliusEnigma]

120. We don't want him to join the Party again. We have plenty of actual Democrats.

[Hamlette]

100. can we still hate Nader?

[realmirage]

105. fuck Nader

[DUgosh]

110. Omg!

He is not even Democratic person!

[dameatball]

111. If Bernie were to be the nominee of the Democratic Party I would vote for him.

Let that play out in the primaries and go from there.

If Bernie does not get the nomination and decides to run as a third party candidate, we get four more years of Trump. Simple as that.

[EffieBlack]

115. The 2020 Democratic nominee will be a Democrat, so this is a moot point n/t

[Andy823]

163. I agree

There is a wide field of "Democrats" running, I don't think Bernie will be able to run as a Democrat again after all the happened last time. Of course I still would like to see his tax returns!

[LexVegas]

117. ...

[Demsrule86]

123. Oh and I personally will never get over 2016 (election) since I will have a shitty Trump appointed

SCOTUS to remind me.

[we can do it]

124. I've been here since 2004, not going anywhere. I'm tired of BS dissing Dems.

Canvass hundreds of voters, phone bank and donate every election. I am sick of people and their holier than thou, perfect or nothing candidates.

[Orrex]

125. Maybe between now and then he'll figure out what racism is

And maybe he can figure out how to counteract the 24/7 repetition of his ham-handed comments on "comfort" and "racism," because these will be used to pummel him until he's nothing but a footnote representing one of the most racially homogeneous states in the union.

But what the hell. If by some absolutely freakish chance of blind luck and terrible decision-making he makes it onto the ballot as teh Democratic nominee then sure. I'll support him.

[bushisanidiot]

128. Who says he gets to run as a dem again? DWS was NICE and let that independant sabatuer in.

any dem nominee should have a proven track record voting and campaigning as a DEMOCRAT and campaigning FOR DEMOCRATS. She should also show her taxes for the last 20 years. No more lies from St. Bernie!!

[Gothmog]

130. I will support the party's nominee no matter what

But I will not vote for sanders in the primary and will support a number of the candidates who will be running against him. sanders ranks near the bottom or at the bottom of the people who are rumored to be running. The only possible candidate behind sanders in my opinion is Avanitti

To run, sanders will have to release five or ten years of tax returns to get onto the ballot in several key blue states. It would be interesting to see these returns (there has to be a reason why sanders hid these returns earlier). Under the new DNC rules, sanders has to formally join the party and become a true member of the party and agree to run as a member. sanders is not doing this in Vermont and that has hurt the party.

I doubt that sanders will run and if he does, I do not believe that he has a realistic chance of being the nominee. There are many democrats who believe that sanders hurt Clinton and that sanders is the reason why trump won in 2016.

[pnwmom]

134. I won't support anyone who doesn't release at least 5 years of tax returns BEFORE THE PRIMARY. n/t

[Jarqui]

144. I too will support the party's nominee no matter what

Just like I did in 2016 when I originally supported Sanders.

But for 2020, I'd prefer someone new got a shot.

[NurseJackie]

150. "...stop tearing down our allies." --- Actually, at this point...

"...stop tearing down our allies."

Actually, at this point... I think it's much more important that our "allies" stop attacking and denigrating and smearing Democrats and the Democratic party. Such things only serve to create divisions, distrust and suspicions. It weakens and tarnishes the party, it makes Democrats seems less attractive when a supposed "ally" is claiming that there's no difference between the parties or that Democrats are the "party of the one-percent" or that Democrats are "corrupt" or that Democrats are "feeble" or that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". No, I'm sorry, that's not the type of thing that an actual ally would say. Not one that wants to be taken seriously anyway. All I'm saying is that this is much bigger than one person's hurt feelings or not showing enough deference to one person. I think we can all agree that the bigger goal should be to make Democratic candidates, Democratic politicians, and the Democratic party the place that is the most attractive and the party that will garner loyalty and support.

I mean, seriously now... come on! Think about it! Who is going to donate to, or support, or vote for Democrats when all they hear someone saying is that we're no different from Republicans, or that Democrats are corrupt?? That's the sort of thing that Nader and Stein say. It's indefensible and it's not helping.

[zonkers]

152. I love Bernie. And I love Hillary. And I love Barry. Big tent guys. Big tent.

[mcar]

246. Who's Barry?

[zonkers]

249. Barack "Barry" Obama. It's what he went by back in his college days.

[mcar]

250. Did you know him in his college days?

I think our last Democratic president deserves the respect of his actual name. YMMV.

[hlthe2b]

155. I believe Bernie has his strengths and he has my respect, but he won't likely get the nom.

That said, your post calling out other Duers is pretty offensive, IMO. Decisions as to who can and can not be here rest with the admins who own the site--not any of us independently. You might keep that in mind.

[dawg day]

156. He's not going to get the nomination, and shouldn't.

However, I would support the Democratic candidate even if I don't personally support that particular person.

Big deal. Why are you getting worked up about that? Sanders isn't going to be the candidate. There are several other, better, DEMOCRATIC candidates.


Sanders would not be the dead last choice for me, but he'd be close to it. I hope the party is smart enough to nominate one of the more activist and party-supportive people.

But yes, if you demand fealty, my fealty is to the ideals of the Democratic party, and that's going to require a president with a D after his/her name. (Sanders will, I hope, accept a D after his name if the party somehow gets him into the White House?)

[RainCaster]

157. I like his ideas, but I don't think he should be POTUS

He (and his crowd) are too divisive. There is no ability to generate consensus among the dem base.

[beachbum bob]

165. Bernie is not a democrat nor should he be allowed to run in our primaries again,

he has had ample years to be a democrat and refuses to be one. If he wants to be a jill stein to give the election in 2020 to a goper's, screw him...just like I said screw Nader in 2000 and stein in 2016

thos 2 people are soley responsible fo all the tragedy that Bush-cheny and trump have inflicted on the world.

[scheming daemons]

170. He won't get the nomination. He's not even a Democrat.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

174. I'll vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is in 2020,

but I think were going to lose if it his him. We need a fresh face. No 2016 rematches please! The problem with Bernie, besides being too old, is he isn't even a Democrat. He undermines the party. I still think he shouldn't have been allowed to run in the Democratic primaries in 2016 if he couldn't commit to actually being a Democrat. Someone who is the Democratic presidential nominee is pretty much vying to be the leader of the Democratic party. How can you lead Democrats and refuse to be one yourself? I feel he is bad for the party because he refuses to commit to it.

[MineralMan]

177. Bernie Sanders, by his own declaration, is Not a Democrat.

End of story.

[Pathwalker]

178. Anonymous internet poster orders anonymous posters around,

and actually expects obedience. Hilarious. You say we must live in the here and now, yet there will not be a Democratic nominee chosen until the 2020 Democratic convention, nearly two whole years from now. So, maybe you should consider not ASS*U*ming the future is yours to decide, and not posting authoritarian ultimatums.

[Bfd]

179. Who are you to order me to vote for your choice.

I'll vote my own mind.

[SHRED]

181. He's a Democrat?

[Gothmog]

198. Good question

[democratisphere]

184. I always refer to the definition for insanity.

Making the same mistake twice ain't going to happen!

[VOX]

185. I stand foursquare for [DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE].

Whoever it is, WHEN THE TIME COMES. Yellow-dog Democrat all the way.

[Crunchy Frog]

189. Have you ever actually been here during primary season?

Because it's always extremely rancorous, and if you don't think you can handle it, probably best to get out now.

Having been through multiple primaries here, I can tell you that now is not the time to be demanding allegiance to any particular candidate.

Best just let the process play itself out, instead of antagonizing the entire board with unreasonable demands. Unless you're just here to stir shit.

[NBachers]

190. JA JA JA JA JA JA JA!!! JAJAJA

hahahahahahahahahah!!!

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[sheshe2]

216. Ha!

[brooklynite]

194. Care to point out ANYONE who aside they wouldn't support the eventual nominee?

[Gothmog]

197. I was a delegate to the national convention

The Clinton campaign had a whipping infrastructure in place and my whip was great on keeping me informed. The Clinton campaign warned her delegates that the Sanders delegates were going to protest and boo Congressman John Lewis 20 to 30 minutes before he was due to come onto the stage. This was planned event by the sanders delegates and according to my whip sanders was asked to stop it and declined.

A candidates delegates to the national convention are supposed to reflect the values of the candidate. Each candidate has the right to vet and reject delegates. The sanders delegates at the national convention did not make a good impression. My daughter was my guest and she was yelled at by sanders delegates and called the c-word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. sanders was asked repeatedly to talk to his delegates during the convention and sanders refused to do so.

These and other incidents will come up if sanders runs in 2020. The John Lewis incident would be an effective ad for states in the south. The Texas delegation shared a bus with the Georgia delegation and there are some senior Georgia delegates who were not happy with sanders.

I really doubt that sanders will be the nominee.

[MyNameGoesHere]

199. Oh fucking bother. Not this shit again.

[BlueStater]

202. He won't be the nominee anyway.

We're not going to nominate a 79-year-old man for the presidency.

[betsuni]

203. Are you the new sheriff in town?

[Bfd]

204. +

[FreepFryer]

205. I recommend you, and Bernie, figure out whether an independent is a Democrat.

The rest of us already know, and sent him packing.

[musicblind]

208. Of course I would. The vast majority of people posting here would.

I don't think he will get the nomination, but we'll see. I'm not saying that because I hate him, I voted for him in the 2016 primary. I'm saying that because it's reality. He is unlikely to get the nomination given the much larger field of candidates we will have this go round.

Votes will be more evenly divided between people like Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Beto O'Rourke, Joe Biden, Tom Steyer, Bernie Sanders and other possible entrants like Stacy Abrams, Kristen Gillibrand, Michael Bloomberg, or even Oprah. There are a lot of people thinking about running, even if they say they aren't at this point. For all we know, it could come down to Stephen King and Robert De Niro. While that would be very very very unlikely, we are so far out from 2020 it is impossible to know anything. There is a good chance our nominee will be someone we've never even heard of.

2020's primary is going to be more like the Republican's 2016 primary. The Democratic 2016 primary had a very small field because it was treated like an incumbent or VP primary. This coming primary will look a lot more like 2004 and/or 2008.

Having more people in the field will make it less likely that Bernie Sanders becomes the nominee. Similar to the "more people in a raffle the less likely you are to win" rule.

But if he becomes the nominee, of course, people on here will support him. He would be the Democratic nominee. Why wouldn't they support him? Not supporting the Democratic nominee is not an acceptable or viable option. Period.

[In It to Win It]

212. I will support any Democratic nominee we have 2020...

Any Democratic candidate over that fuckwad we got now.

[Sunlei]

213. Two years is very far away, lets not tear apart the 'good guy team' so early. Even Bernie says,

Even Bernie says, "Join the Democratic party".

[Small-Axe]

235. Even Bernie?

Pretty much say it all.

Can't wait until he follows his own advice.

Or maybe not?

[Ohio Barbarian]

215. A brave post. I salute you. The fact is, no matter what the majority of any political message board

says, Bernie Sanders is the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination until someone knocks him off in the primaries, if he decides to run, and if someone can actually do that. He has the name recognition, he has the platform, he has the organization, he can get the money, and he has an amazing ability to excite new voters, especially younger ones. African-Americans know who he is now and like him, and most won't make much of that little gaffe so many on DU focused on the other day.

Personally, I think Bernie would beat defeat Trump in 2020, for I cannot see Trump defeating him in any of the states Hillary carried in 2016 or in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, and Iowa. I cannot say that about many of the other potential candidates so favored here on DU. Still, difficult to see is the future, and if I can't see it, then I am arrogant enough to say that no one else can, either.

What is definitely true is that Donald Trump is an out-and-out Fascist, or, to quote an Klingon, "a swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood." He must be defeated. He must be stopped, or our republic is doomed. I support Bernie Sanders for many reasons, but that is the most important one.

[LexVegas]

225. ...

[Hekate]

261. Oh. My. Gods.

[Mike Nelson]

217. I will...

… support the 2020 nominee! We've picked the best candidate every time - and I'm sure we will pick the best candidate in 2020. The Democrats have a large number of great veterans and a large number of great newcomers!

[In It to Win It]

218. I don't think any one of us here will be the problem...

The problem will be anyone that isn’t us. We know how to fire our situation is. We will be adults about this.

We have to convince other people that sitting out isn’t an option because you don’t “like” either candidate. THIS IS A NATIONAL CRISIS!

[GusBob]

219. I'm going stay here as I please. You can't do a damned thing about it

Sorry about your luck

[blueinredohio]

227. I don't care who the democratic nominee is they have my vote.

[samnsara]

229. i kinda feel like my dad just yelled at me

[LexVegas]

232. More like your great-granddad. nt

[GulfCoast66]

236. I hope everyone on DU goes fishing tomorrow.

[joshcryer]

240. That goes without saying.

[mcar]

241. I object to him in 2018

Saying that white folks who didn't want to vote for black candidates aren't racist. Who here is talking about 2016?

[elmac]

242. hmmm

[Historic NY]

251. He not now, nor in 2020 going to be the nominee

troll somewhere else JPR

[NurseJackie]

256. Exactly. Thank you.

[Hekate]

252. I hate to break it to you, but you don't get the nom as a non-Dem, & BS is an Independent

He may "caucus with the Dems" in the Senate, but he adds nothing zero zilch nada to our count toward being a majority and able to determine the Speakership and committee chairs.

As for pulling the same trick twice (registering as a Dem solely for purposes of running for Prez) he will not get a second bite of that apple. He used us -- and had no respect for us the next morning.

[LovingA2andMI]

255. WTH????

......

[Politicub]

257. If he runs, I predict he will fizzle out early

There are more folks who will be running than did in 2016. I would be shocked if Beto doesn't run. And I would love to see Kamala Harris. Stacy Abrams is amazing on the stump, too. And Gillibrand is great, too.

Bernie. Meh. I would support him if he won the nom. But I don't see it happening.

[Generic Brad]

258. You're a hoot

If you want us to focus on the here and now, you really shouldn't be pushing a hypothetical situation that has 0% chance of happening.

[Hekate]

265. How do you do. Your face is vaguely familiar -- have we met before?