Questions here. If we were to impeach Rump in the House and Senate votes NO. Then

[bluestarone]

In 2020 when we win the senate, can this vote be RE-TAKEN? Does the House have to start over again? OR could this be double jeopardy? TY in advance!

[still_one]

1. They would have to start over again

[allgood33]

18. There are enough charges to take one at a time to avoid double jeopardy.

We pull out another charge.

[still_one]

24. Double jeopardy applies to criminal charges, I do not think it applies to impeachment whcih is

removal from office

[wcmagumba]

2. Thinking about this scenario...

If drumph were impeached but not convicted in the Senate could
he then be indicted on criminal acts when (hopefully) he is out of
office in two years...in other words would the non conviction in the
Senate clear him of all charges later?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

3. More to the point, it would be truly stupid to impeach Trump

knowing that the Senate would not convict.

[bluestarone]

4. Sure cannot argue that point!

[Major Nikon]

6. Not necessarily

If the charges were serious enough it would put the GOP in the position of defending a criminal, a pathological liar, and an asshole.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

15. Do you think they would care about that?

No, they would not. They, and all of Trump's supporters out there, would see him as a martyr, a saint persecuted by pagan Democrats.

I agree about his being a criminal, a pathological liar, and an asshole. You absolutely must understand that his supporters simply don't see him that way. Which means, impeached in the House and then either not brought to trial in the Senate (the likeliest scenario) or tried and acquitted would be vastly worse. Democrats would lose all credibility with them, and lose a lot among rank and file Democrats.

Our best hope is that Mueller actual indict Trump for one of his many crimes, and that's not likely to begin with. And even if Mueller does indict him, you can be quite certain that the current Supreme Court will immediately rule that a sitting President cannot be indicted, cannot be tried for crimes, no matter how heinous or egregious.

What we want to hope happen are things that I cannot state in public.

[Major Nikon]

17. The people you are referring to will vote straight ticket regardless

In order to sway those in the middle you need ammunition.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

21. It's my take that the people in the middle would see impeachment and then no conviction

of Trump as a vindication of him. They'd take away, "Oh, he wasn't guilty" and because these are mostly very low information voters, would cheerfully vote to re-elect him.

Impeaching him just because we control the House would be dumb.

[unblock]

7. politics is full of taking actions that have no hope of achieving an immediate, direct victory.

it's probably right that impeachment won't be a political plus for us, but the fact that republicans won't convict isn't an automatic reason to dismiss impeachment out of hand.

[honest.abe]

14. +1

[Jersey Devil]

8. If there is clear proof of serious crimes and strong evidence they MUST impeach

If they do not then they will be violating their oaths as members of congress to protect and defend the constitution. Under those circumstances if the Senate will not also do its duty then so be it, but members of the House should not compromise their ethical obligations because another governmental body might not.

I am not talking about impeachment for lying about blow jobs, but serious crimes, such as any quid pro quo by Trump or his campaign to the Russians for stolen emails.

[unblock]

5. one trial per impeachment, but we could impeach him as many times as we want.

say, for example, once for every time republicans tried to repeal obamacare

there's no double jeopardy concept regarding impeachment, so we wouldn't even need to draw up fresh charges, though in practice we would modify them at least slightly.


impeachment and removal or non-removal has nothing to do with criminal liability. neither impeachment nor trial nor removal nor non-removal gets him out of any criminal liability.

[bluestarone]

9. That's interesting

WE could make him the MOST IMPEACHED PRESIDENT EVER!!!! That ought to be worth something!!!!

[unblock]

10. actually, it would make for an interesting filibuster strategy.

impeach him on one new charge every morning.
senate has to have a trial. eventually they would get fast at it and dismiss it in an afternoon, but it would eat up time they would otherwise spend stacking the courts....

[joshcryer]

11. Haha, that's brilliant.

And no doubt it would take up more than an afternoon. Trump refusing to turn up to the hearings (which he is entitled to do) would make it go quicker. But they are required to effect service every time. Imagine that, having to send some page to the oval office to serve him, or more hilariously, have it flown overnight to one of his vacation spots in Crimea.

Also, each fucking person he's insulted over his entire time as President could be called as a witness, day in and day out, every single fucking time.

Man it'd be great, but it's pure fantasy, haha.

[bluestarone]

13. Would be great i agree with Josh!!!

Might as well give them a reason to be pissed!!!!

[sarisataka]

12. Your question has already presumed

He will be reelected in 2020. If we win the presidential election there is no need to impeach.

[Codeine]

16. Difficult to imagine a scenario

where we win the Senate but lose the Presidential vote.

[GulfCoast66]

20. In my opinion, we will lose both if we spend the next 2 year on impeachment

Rather than passing one bill after another that Americans support only to watch the republicans kill them. That is the way to having both houses and the Presidency in 2020.

Admittedly, people of good character and meaning may disagree.

[Codeine]

23. I agree completely. nt

[SoCalDem]

19. We will not be in the majority

Repubs have more states to defend, but they are all blood red..

If trump is impeached and not convicted, he might just win re election..

CO & ME are our only likely pick ups and we'll lose AL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2020

[tritsofme]

22. Impeachment is a political, not criminal action. Double jeopardy does not apply.