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Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:31 PM

Rarely mentioned reason FL governor election so important & GOP more freaked than about GA:

FL has 29 electoral votes. They have had problems with corruption and voter suppression in their elections at least since 2000, enabled by GOP governors. A democratic governor can do a lot to clean up elections in a state. It would be a game changer nationally in both presidential and down-ballot races and therefore control of Congress.

GA also has had a lot of corruption in elections, probably even more, but they only have 16 electoral votes and about half the number of congressional reps of FL.

Of course this is only one of many reasons why this election is so important, but I don't hear it often mentioned.

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Reply Rarely mentioned reason FL governor election so important & GOP more freaked than about GA: (Original post)
Amaryllis Nov 2018 OP
Qutzupalotl Nov 2018 #1
diva77 Nov 2018 #2
Tom Rivers Nov 2018 #3
Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #15
In It to Win It Nov 2018 #4
Amaryllis Nov 2018 #6
Volaris Nov 2018 #12
DemocracyMouse Nov 2018 #16
Volaris Nov 2018 #18
Hortensis Nov 2018 #5
mysteryowl Nov 2018 #7
Ilsa Nov 2018 #8
PubliusEnigma Nov 2018 #9
RockRaven Nov 2018 #10
Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #17
Pacifist Patriot Nov 2018 #20
knightmaar Nov 2018 #11
Pacifist Patriot Nov 2018 #21
peekaloo Nov 2018 #22
LeftInTX Nov 2018 #13
anarch Nov 2018 #19
tinrobot Nov 2018 #14
Geechie Nov 2018 #23
dlk Nov 2018 #24
JI7 Nov 2018 #25
PJMcK Nov 2018 #26
KCDebbie Nov 2018 #27

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:41 PM

2. K&R There's always an ugly motive behind everything rethugs do.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:43 PM

3. That's my thoughts exactly

If the Governorship ever falls into democratic hands, there will be significant electoral reform, and Florida is no longer their safety valve to ensure the majority of the country is under the minority rule of the far right and white evangelical fringe.

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Response to Tom Rivers (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:35 PM

15. Florida has suffered under too many republicans in the State House

Bob Martinez

Jeb Bush

Rick Scott

All three of them corrupt, vultures on the state's resources and cronies to the good ole boy networks.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:56 PM

4. Redistricting and gerrymandering

This goes hand in hand. Beyond electoral votes for POTUS elections, for the first time in 20+ years Democrats could have a chance at having a say in the redistricting process with Andrew Gillum, if he somehow eeks out a win.

There is no party-proportional representation in the Florida. Dems don't have an once of power despite making up roughly half the state.

If we somehow win the governorship, we have a chance at having a fairer map and could end up putting more Democrats in the US House and the Florida House.

This one win could mean so much for the future of Florida Democrats. I only hope Andrew Gillum knows how much his win means and how huge of a chain reaction there could be.

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Response to In It to Win It (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:09 PM

6. I was thinking of that as included in corruption...and a Dem gov being able to make changes in that.

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Response to In It to Win It (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:52 PM

12. The GOP knows it.

They KNOW the demographic slaughter of their party is on the horizon. They have been in beg, borrow, steal, and sell their souls to the Russian Devil for at least 10 years.
They know it's coming. Trump is the beginning of their end.
And they know that, too.

It's why they will fight tooth and nail to keep it from happening...cause they know if the maps are drawn right and everyone votes their own actual interest, they're a regional party at BEST.
The party of Lincoln , will become the party of Whig that they initially destroyed .
And it will happen because the Republicans embraced the idiot rascists who would still legalize instutional slavery if they could.

What sweet irony for all of us.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:02 AM

16. What I don't get...

The Republicans are setting themselves up as a target for future derision and isolation by the future majority. And a lot of white men, who loathe their policies and attitutude, will be alienated as well.

Why arenít they figuring out that inclusiveness is for their own good?

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:54 AM

18. Cause they're paid not to

Thier vaunted base actually ISNT the racists and haters...it's the campaign donors.
The Base is just who they have to appeal to for the actual vote totals to put them over 35%--fox gets them another 5 and the maps they've gerrymandered gets them another 5, --and the last six comes from the people who don't pay a while lot of attention, and the vote suppression of those who do.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:58 PM

5. Important reason, all right. Thanks for the reminder.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:15 PM

7. I heard on the radio, that Florida is a hub for foreign big money

and that includes Russians. Trump has dealings in Florida, so he is invested in the states politics as well.

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Response to mysteryowl (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:26 PM

8. I wonder what deals trump has with Voldemort (Scott). nt

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:26 PM

9. 1.5 million Felons getting to vote won't hurt, either.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:28 PM

10. Also on day 1 of this new governor's term 3 of the 7 state Supreme Court judges are forcibly retired

due to passing the age limit during the past governor's term (70, I believe).

All 3 are "liberals" and whilst Scott was governor they added 5 years to the forcible retirement age -- but starting after the next election. This was going to be the way the GOP cemented their control over FL for a generation.

Still might be.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:38 AM

17. Florida governor was unbelievably important

 

For that reason and others. Rick Scott knew how significant those supreme court appointments were. That's why he tried to do it himself on his last day, regardless of what the law said.

I wanted both races but if you picked me to choose just one I wouldn't have hesitated to pick Gillum and not Nelson.

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:54 AM

20. Amen

I don't think a lot of Floridian voters considered these two key issues - voting and courts.

There is no balance of power in this state. A Gov. DeSantis makes this even worse.

But those aren't sexy heart string tugging campaign issues.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:37 PM

11. They also desperately need to stall that "felons can vote" thing

With a republican governor, you can probably screw that up well enough that none of them get to vote in 2020.

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Response to knightmaar (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:57 AM

21. That is exactly what will happen.

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Response to knightmaar (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 09:25 AM

22. Yep. The governing board will consist of the Governor/Lt. Gov/AG/Ag Commissioner

most of whom (not sure about Ag Comm) are opposed to that amendment as it is written. per Alex Sink.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:55 PM

13. Absolutely!

That is why Texas is so freaking red!

The GOP is fully entrenched because if the GOP loses Texas, they lose the presidency forever.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:13 AM

19. if the nation survives, I believe that will happen within the next generation

Look at how much trouble Beto gave that asshat Cruz, in an election that a couple of years ago would have been a simple walk-on for the Republican...Texas is more "purple" than people think, and trending blue.

If we don't devolve into chaos in the next six years, I think Texas will go blue within the next 20-30 years tops. Of course, at this point that's a mighty big "if"...

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Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:47 PM

23. Good reading

Highly recommended reading for anyone who wants to dig into some underlying reasons for Florida's fucked-up-ness:

FINDING FLORIDA / The True Story of the Sunshine State
by T. D. Allman

Over the centuries, Florida has been many things: an unconquered realm protected by geography, a wilderness that ruined Spanish conquistadors, ďgodís waiting room,Ē and a place to start over. Depopulated after the extermination of its original native population, today itís home to nineteen million. The site of vicious racial violence, including massacres, slavery, and the roll-back of Reconstruction, Florida is now one of our most diverse states, a dynamic multicultural place with an essential role in 21st-century America.

[link:https://g.co/kgs/vMWxnt|

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:49 PM

24. 29 Plus 16 Electoral Votes is 45 Electoral Votes--This is Not Insignificant

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Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:53 PM

25. the one time since 2000 that the GOP governor did all he could to help allow people to vote

and make sure they are counted was in 2008. and we know who won then.

charlie christ was governor and Republican at the time.



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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:56 PM

26. Excellent point

This issues illustrates why Republicans have such a hard-on for so-called "States Rights." They want to diminish the power of the Federal Government so they can run their little fiefdoms without oversight from Uncle Sam.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:12 PM

27. I also heard someone on Ari Melber's show mention

 

That Trump needs Florida to stay under Republican control to protect the interests of all the Russian land-owners at Mara-la-go as well as the Russian baby-birthing hotels and condos there...

When I heard that I thought it sounded plausible!

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