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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsInteresting discussion with patient, #2397....
Early thirties, Progressive, married with child, well-educated....
She said all the right stuff about Trump, the country, the Republicans, Kavanaugh, you-name-it. she thought impeachment wouldn't be successful because of the Senate makeup and the whole Russia thing she had right on the money....
Wait for it...
so I mentioned my line that one morning, perhaps he wouldn't awaken.
She was horrified..."We don't do things like that in this country!"
Me: I wasn't implying that anyone other than Colonel Sanders or Ronald McDonald might "do something", but what makes you think that that was an impossibility - that TPTB wouldn't do something "evil" After all, we certainly did it in other countries: Chile, Iraq, Iran, and many others...
She: But they would NEVER do it here, its illegal and immoral. And there's nothing you can say to convince me otherwise.
Me: I wouldn't dream of trying. I don't try with the Tea Party people and I wouldn't with you.
I found it interesting that people have certain walls over which they will not climb.
I then told her of a close friend of mine who served in the Army. HE was also a real Progressive and lifelong Democrat who was drafted because he had left college. He was pro-everything that I am, we are extremely congruent except for one thing.
He did not believe in having gays in the military. Now he is all for gay rights, gay marriage equality, all the good stuff...except not in the military and you know what he said to me?
"You never served so you don't understand and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind so don't even try."
There's no real response to that...and no point starting a fight so in both cases, I said nothing.
Mike Rows His Boat
(389 posts)Send one of the staff to check if there's a tRump sticker on their car. Bill accordingly.
PCIntern
(25,518 posts)Mike Rows His Boat
(389 posts)brush
(53,764 posts)you were suggesting). If I got it wrong let me know.
The guy is off base on gays in the military.
PCIntern
(25,518 posts)I simply said it'd be easier if he just didn't awaken.
The point was that she acted as though our CIA would never do anything it shouldn't do and we are the good guys in all moral and legal manners.
brush
(53,764 posts)and occupations all over the world.
We certainly aren't the good guys who are above reproach morally that many like to think we are in the world of realpolitik.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)And I have a SIL who was special forces. None of them give a shit about gay people in the military.
PCIntern
(25,518 posts)I was trying to explain to this young lady that often, people surprise you with viewpoints you wouldn't think they possessed.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)With a better moral compass than I have
treestar
(82,383 posts)convince me otherwise, they want you to be quiet because they are afraid you might say something that would convince them otherwise.
Similar to "God said it, that's the end of it."
"You never served" does not work for me - they might have information we don't have it we did not serve, but we are still going to see things as we see them. If he has that information, he could try to convince you with it. Instead, he just cuts off with, well I served so I'm right. So how does he account for those who served also who disagree with him? Why does he not reveal what he knows from his actual service that leads him to believe there should be no gays in the military?
Hekate
(90,627 posts)But I understand her point of view, because all during the BushCheney administration I would not say "it", because frankly I was afraid to.
Trump has stripped that reticence from me.