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[TreasonousBastard]

1. Heh-- sue the Secretary of State?

[NorCen_CT]

3. Already resigned, he knew EXACTLY what he was doing (which was a first)

[NurseJackie]

2. Is this the USPS's fault or the BOE's fault?

[rogue emissary]

41. It's BOE fault

Last edited Sun Nov 11, 2018, 04:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Since it was a preprented government envelope. It can only be delivered to that location.

[brush]

4. Does Chatham Co. have a large POC demographic?

[jpak]

6. That's Savannah - and yes

n/t

[brush]

7. So that's the reason for yet another repug, dirty trick.

They sit up nights figuring out ways to cheat.

Their should be jail sentences.

[calimary]

36. That's the only way they can win anymore. By CHEATING.

[shraby]

5. All people who sent them in and they weren't deliverable due to

the error in the address should have they counted if they were postmarked in time.

[cstanleytech]

19. Exactly and if the state refuses to count them they should sue them for fraud because

there is no way in hell that it was an "accident".

[ooky]

8. So, this should be fixed by allowing them to resubmit their ballots, right?

Or do new ballots? Whatever. It should not just be overlooked.

[DFW]

9. We should have had an armed division of the Canadian army there as observers

And Kemp, who obviously deliberately oversaw this, need to serve 10 to 15 in a Georgia Prison for ordering it.

[erronis]

14. On a chain gang, busting rocks all day long.

Or getting his busted.

[cstanleytech]

20. I would only agree if that 10 to 15 was per each offense.

[2naSalit]

55. +1

[Just a Weirdo]

66. No. Life without parole

Messing with other people's vote amounts to treason and should be charged as such

[AnotherMother4Peace]

10. Chatham County, Georgia info

Chatham County is a county in the U.S. state of Georgia, and is located on the state's Atlantic coast. The county seat and largest city is Savannah. One of the original counties of Georgia, Chatham County was created February 5, 1777, and is named after William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham. Wikipedia

White alone, percent(a) 53.6%
Black or African American alone, percent(a) 40.7%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) 0.4%
Asian alone, percent(a) 3.0%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent(a) 0.1%
Two or More Races, percent 2.3%
Hispanic or Latino, percent(b) 6.6%
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent 48.4%

from US Census - quick facts - https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/chathamcountygeorgia#viewtop

[Hortensis]

13. That goes on the evidence pile for deliberate vote suppression.

[yardwork]

37. So the county is 66% non-white.

[whopis01]

53. How do you get that number when it says

“White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent 48.4%”

That would mean it is 51.6% non-white.

[Takket]

11. This didn't raise any red flags at the post office???

[mtngirl47]

52. They use machines to sort the mail n/t

[LiberalFighter]

12. Need to investigate the circumstances.

Did the local post office contact county election office?
Did the county election office do this intentionally?

How many absentee ballots were sent out to voters?
Did the county election office receive but not report ballots?

Consider getting the scanned images of all ballots from the post office. Both when sent out by the post office and from the voter.

[erronis]

15. For this not to be pursued by the feds would be another crime.

[Scruffy1]

24. This is not a USPS problem.

They are required to send the mail to where it is addressed and to return it if the address is invalid.

[LiberalFighter]

67. But if the PO contacted the Election Board about this and election office did nothing

then it increases the likelihood that election office was creating the problem intentionally.

[KPN]

27. Absolutely. Democrats need to push hard for this --

rather than acquiesce without a monumental fight. We need to demand this.

[lpbk2713]

16. Chatham County's elections officials are either devious or incompetent.

There's no middle ground here.

[Merlot]

25. Incompetent is off the table. No more excuses for this behavior.

[oldlibdem]

45. just like the anonymous mailers that go out....

Telling African Americans that they vote on wednesday.

[joshcryer]

69. Devious disguised as incompetent.

This was intentionally done. I would bet the PO Box number was off by one number or some crap like that. They know what they're doing. And I'm sure the psychopath that did it sleeps well at night knowing.

[peacebuzzard]

17. Add this to the list

Georgia Democratic Party will be pulling together for Stacey.
This election is not over

[dalton99a]

18. Kick

[PatrickforO]

21. According to the Census, Chatham County, GA is nearly 40% black.

When will we have the political power at the national and state level to hold fucks like Kemp accountable, even imprison them. Because what Kemp did here is a crime.

The Department of Justice needs to get in there, help the USPS find all those ballots, because they are in 'lost letters' somewhere, and COUNT THEM.

No shit.

[yardwork]

38. 66% non-white, according to Census data cited upthread.

It's a majority minority county, which means it would be expected to vote heavily for the Democrat.

This looks terrible.

[Hoyt]

22. As much as I want Stacey Abrams as Governor, I think this is an erroneous report.

There are no official or credible reports of irregularities in absentee ballots (any voter can mail in an absentee ballot in Georgia for any reason) in Chatham county. Chatham is essentially Savannah, Georgia, and is the most populous county outside of Atlanta. It's Board of Commissioners is quite diverse, and they are well managed.

Rural Georgia, particularly North Georgia -- where trump took 70 to over 80% of the vote in many areas -- is another matter.

[brush]

39. If officials put the wrong address on the absentee ballot envelope...

that doesn't happen accidentally as official printed pieces like that go through many proofreader eyes before being printed and sent out.

A wrong address would've been caught and changed if it was unintentional.

The OP said there were no absentee ballots for that county.

None? Shouldn't that raise suspicions?

[Hoyt]

40. Chatham county reported thousands of mail in votes. That's one reaso the OP

is suspicious. Also, Chatham County is governed by a diverse group of elected and appointed officials. They were responsible for local ballots. They aren’t some white wing enclave of racists, like a lot of rural counties in Gy. . Spreading erroneous junk doesn’t help Democrats.

[stopbush]

23. Crap like this is why I always vote in person at my precinct on the day of the election.

It’s hard to trust the other options like mail in.

[woundedkarma]

26. I should have checked the address...

Here in Michigan, addressed to my wife and I, was a supposed absentee voter application. It was sent by the republican party. We're both democrats. Vote democrat. And might be on mailing lists for democrats.

Thought it was pretty weird to see that in the mail. And so I wonder if the address were correct or if something else were scammy.

[oldlibdem]

44. In Ohio we have ballotchex...

I checked and my ballot was received and accepted.

[GoCubsGo]

28. "Do we need the UN to step in? "

Yes. The same goes for Florida and every other Southern state. Probably Arizona and Indiana, as well.

[sl8]

29. Results posted on the county's website show about 6,000 absentee ballots

I only checked the results in the gubenatorial race, but it shows about 6,000 votes from absentee ballots.

"Details" Excel spreadsheet:
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Chatham/91665/220602/reports/detailxls.zip

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On edit:
Changed "30,000" to "6,000". Read one column in spreadsheet wrong initially.

[Hoyt]

30. Yes. The OP is not correct, other than for that one person.

I want Abrams to win, but spreading incorrect information is not the way to do it.

[Wintryjade]

32. Ah thank you. I am going to read more about the issue.

[sl8]

59. Also, Michael McDonald, US Elections Project, says the claim is "utterly and totally false"

Tweet:

Link to tweet

Text of tweet:

Michael McDonald
@ElectProject
Just to put a fine point on this. I was monitoring absentee ballot activity for the successful Georgia signature verification lawsuit and sharing this information with lawyers. The claim Chatham had zero mail ballots is utterly and totally false

Ryan Anderson
@gtryan
In fact, there were over 14k MORE mail in ballots accepted this election than for the 2016 election.

97 counties had more mail in ballots than 2016.

And since it seems to be ground zero for the false rumor, Chatham has 6,117 mail ballots, compared to 5,156 in 2016.

FWIW, note that neither Prof. McDonald or Ms. Hill are using verified Twitter accounts. Probably not significant.

[Hoyt]

62. Thanks. Good info.

[ecstatic]

56. In person early vote in Georgia is described as absentee, FWIW. nt

[sl8]

58. They are listed separately in the spreadsheet.

The spreadsheet has columns for both "Absentee by Mail" and "Advance in Person". The numbers I used are from the former.

I don't know what evidence Ms. Hill has for there being "none"; as far as I can tell, she hasn't provided any. Several people have asked in her twitter feed, but I havn't seen a response.

[ecstatic]

60. Thanks for clarifying! I'm glad it's distinguished on the spreadsheet,

but at this point, I don't trust anything the SOS has reported. With 2900+ precincts, Kemp only needed to suppress 30 or so votes per precinct to ensure his own victory. Right now there's enough evidence to show that he succeeded in his suppression efforts. He will never be a legitimate governor in this state, and apparently, he was OK with that as long as he was victorious. Disgusting!

[sl8]

63. Distrusting Kemp makes perfect sense.

What I'm having a hard time understanding, and this is not directed at you, is why so many people seem to accept an outrageous claim posted by some random Twitter user, with no evidence to support the claim. All the evidence I've seen contradicts her claim.

One possibility is that she isn't just "some random Twitter user". Perhaps Ms. Hill has a reputation as an impeccable source and I'm just not aware of it. Otherwise, I really don't understand why her claim seems to have so much creedence here.

[ecstatic]

64. Because we're looking at the big picture... Whether or not

the mail in ballot count is zero doesn't change the fact that voters are seeing their ballots returned as undeliverable.

Yes, there will be a lot of hyperbole on both sides because people are pissed!

[sl8]

65. OK.

Just to be clear, I'm not disputing Ms. Whit's account of her returned absentee ballot, I'm disputing Ms. Hill's claim about all of the absentee ballots.

[Wintryjade]

31. Wow. What does Chatham Co consist of? Lib/Con, both? Wow. I can see an

easy mistake if purple or red. Blue though? Purposeful. It only happens to the Democratic areas. I never read about Republicans having a tough time or losing votes.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

33. Why in the world didn't the local post office know

where the correct box was?

That's a huge question. Once they'd received even one pre-printed ballot envelope with the wrong address someone should have phoned the local election office to find out the correct one. Actually, they probably didn't need a phone call because they'd have had that information at the post office.

There is more than one place to distribute blame to.

[MontanaMama]

35. This.

+1

[homegirl]

50. Absolutely

correct. You called it!

[SunSeeker]

34. K & R for exposure.

[oldlibdem]

42. Sue the bejeepers out of those motherjumpers!!!

Is this on CNN or MSNBC? Sunlight is the strongest disinfectant!

[Ellipsis]

43. ...over 62,000 dem votes for the 2016 election.

60,800 voted in the 2018 midterms.

[W T F]

46. This is criminal election fraud and also prosecutable as subversion under The Sedition Act.

[MichMan]

47. The OP is blatantly untrue according to the election records

As sl8 previously posted in post #29 , there were over 6000 absentee ballots received. The OP stating none is blatantly untrue.

[uponit7771]

48. Sounds like there's more to this issue, I'll wait. I just inherently don't trust a SoS who oversees

... an election process they're directly participating in.

[ecstatic]

57. In person early vote is called absentee in Georgia as well. nt

[weissmam]

49. time to send some people to

JAIL (GOP)

[Blue Owl]

51. Who owns the PO Box the ballots went to?

No more throwing hands up and saying "nothing we can do" -- let's expose these fucking GOP operatives/criminals!

[AJT]

54. There was an election 2 years ago, those ballots were not returned, someone changed the po box #.

Find out who.

[spanone]

61. K&R...

Criminal Kemp

[BlancheSplanchnik]

68. I'm glad this blatant cheat is public now, but what are they going to DO about it?

That would be the next critical step.